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RealitY
10-05-2005, 07:31 AM
Seems there are posts with alot of views but few comments or thanks which may be discouaraging to those that post. It would be nice if there were a bit more gratitude posted as it would appear more friendly ir seems. Its been discussed lightly that perhaps we could add the Thank You hack where you have to post berore you grab. I think seeing some gratitude may encouage those that post as even a little gratitude goes a long way. On the flip it may be a little silly to some but I think its worth a trial period at the very least. Just wondering what others thoughts are on this...

monkeyman1
10-05-2005, 02:22 PM
I think this would be a great idea

cldnails
10-05-2005, 02:46 PM
Thanks are always appreciated and only takes a little bit of time. If I use it, then I leave thanks and I feel everyone should. It is almost the difference between a contributor and a leecher.

Only other suggestion I would have would be that once you leave thanks that it wouldn't send the NZB to the top of the list like on regular threads. This would aid on determining the age of the nzb and for those who don't have a long retention would help them out.

tesco
10-05-2005, 09:48 PM
ANother idea that I thoguht of which doesn't actually help with the thanks posts but could help get the amount of nzbs posted is to have a system where you need to post 1 thread in the nzb section for every 15 or so nzbs that you get.

JPaul
10-06-2005, 02:07 AM
I generally post a wee thank you when I use an nzb. It's only manners.

However I have no objection to a system which requires it. It's a decent idea and offends no-one.

I have seen a wee "thank you" button on torrent sites. One click and it adds your name to a list of appreciative members.

It's all good, anything to help this section of the forum is a great idea.

JPaul
10-06-2005, 02:13 AM
ANother idea that I thoguht of which doesn't actually help with the thanks posts but could help get the amount of nzbs posted is to have a system where you need to post 1 thread in the nzb section for every 15 or so nzbs that you get.

I'm not so keen on that one. There are plenty of chaps who want others to use their nzbs and just want a wee bit of recognition for it. Why force me to learn how to do it, then hunt them down (when others do it faster and better).

I say let those who want to do it do it. Let the rest of us appreciate their efforts. It's symbiotic.

Samurai
10-06-2005, 02:15 AM
I have seen a wee "thank you" button on torrent sites. One click and it adds your name to a list of appreciative members.

It's all good, anything to help this section of the forum is a great idea.

Sounds like a very nice idea. I'll take it.

Skiz
10-06-2005, 03:55 AM
Make "rep" visable.

muchspl3
10-06-2005, 03:56 AM
can't hurt

brotherdoobie
10-06-2005, 04:31 AM
It sorta seems contrived, to have a thank you hack. Personally, I rather have
someone thank me of their own accord.

Peace bd

muchspl3
10-06-2005, 04:41 AM
It sorta seems contrived, to have a thank you hack. Personally, I rather have
someone thank me of their own accord.

Peace bd
well you don't post shit

it pisses me off when I go out of my way to help someone and post a thread on something that I will know plenty will need/want



but get 0 responses, makes me not want to post
fuck the leaches

RealitY
10-06-2005, 06:52 AM
it pisses me off when I go out of my way to help someone and post a thread on something that I will know plenty will need/want

but get 0 responses, makes me not want to post
Thats the reason I think this is needed more than anything is when a new member makes a post and gets no response even though its an active post it may actually be discouraging enough for them not to take the the time to do any more from that point...

JPaul
10-06-2005, 01:34 PM
It sorta seems contrived, to have a thank you hack. Personally, I rather have
someone thank me of their own accord.

Peace bd
Just think of it as saying to your sprog "what's the magic word".

I agree it may seem contrived, but it is harmless and some chaps may appreciate the gesture, no mater the reason.

brotherdoobie
10-06-2005, 08:30 PM
It sorta seems contrived, to have a thank you hack. Personally, I rather have
someone thank me of their own accord.

Peace bd
well you don't post shit

it pisses me off when I go out of my way to help someone and post a thread on something that I will know plenty will need/want



but get 0 responses, makes me not want to post
fuck the leaches

There is no such thing as a leech, when it comes to Newsgroups.
It's encouraged in fact. I didn't say people shouldn't say thank you.
I feel it's common courtesy.

I said that I would rather have someone thank me, because they wanted to, not because they were more or less forced to.

By the way, I do post here. I have been uploading to Usenet for a very
long time.

Peace bd

Damnatory
11-01-2005, 06:53 AM
Was there ever an actual debate with you and another mod over this RealitY?

I for one think this is a great idea, not only for the fact that it shows a gesture of gratitude, but it also encourages the nzb posters to continue doing as they are...
As Muchspl3 stated, it really does suck to have gone out of the way to post something you think people may like or want, just to not get a bit of gratitude in return, but notice that there has been like 200 views in that thread... It lowers the morale a bit, and makes the job a little less fun.

Gratitude makes the difference between helping gestures, and "a job."

RealitY
11-01-2005, 08:48 AM
I have to agree with you and couldnt have put it better really. Hopefully when rossco has some time we can test this out. If Im not mistaken hes got some free time this week so maybe we can get it going soon as I really see no reason not to...

EDIT: Well rossco has started putting this into affect already so we can see how it goes. I think maybe we could add a Thank You gif that some sites use. If anyone has some decent gifs post them here and maybe we can use them. I think this should also be something that is on and then off at certain points. If anyone has any other thoughs on this let us know...

JunkBarMan
11-01-2005, 08:53 PM
At first when I went to dl a nzb and it went to a reply post, I was a little irritated. But then I realised what was going on and I feel that a Thank You should be required.

Hell yeah, you guys are great for this and deserve all the thanks you can get.

If a little post of gratitude is too much to ask for from someone, then maybe they don't really deserve to get anything. Maybe that's a bit harsh, but when people take time out of their day to post these things for the benefit of people they don't/hardly know, then yeah, give them a little thanks.

mammlouk
11-02-2005, 05:47 AM
I like the idea too, especially as a newer member. My only thing is that I like to check quality and get a good DL before posting in a thread, that way if I have issues I can alert others.

RealitY
11-02-2005, 06:39 AM
My only thing is that I like to check quality and get a good DL before posting in a thread, that way if I have issues I can alert others.
You can always just use the edit feature on your post later or just make an additional one...

jpope
11-02-2005, 02:21 PM
The requiring of a thank you post for an nzb is crap.

If it must be done, automate the post so it just automatically shows up in one thank-you message that says something like 'The following users have enjoyed this post:' and the list of downloaders.

Damnatory
11-02-2005, 04:23 PM
The lack of appreciation is exactly what we are trying to avoid. Those who obviously don't appreciate the work that we are doing here, are a constant drain to those who do the work for you...

Not only does the "Thank You" Hack provide the much needed gratitude, but the forced posting keeps the popular posts towards the top, so that people do not have to search through them...
Between RealitY, MovBuff, {I}{K}{E}, Samurai, and myself, we post an entire page worth of stuff everyday, and the less popular ones die out due to inactivity. This also helps to gauge what sort of releases are going to be more worth posting...

Oh Yeah, Welcome to the forum.

RealitY
11-02-2005, 06:25 PM
The requiring of a thank you post for an nzb is crap.

If it must be done, automate the post so it just automatically shows up in one thank-you message that says something like 'The following users have enjoyed this post:' and the list of downloaders.
Ive seen other forums do similar and had considered it also although it would seem as though most are in favor of how it is now. I think maybe lightning it a bit may be a medium. Maybe if you already have a certain number of posts within the section in a day the required post for following grabs in that day would no longer be needed. The other thought is that the hack would be turned on and off from time to time. I do have to say though I cant imagine why it would be that irratating for you to post a simple Thank You though. I was also thinking a Thank You gif may be a good addition. Would be nice someone can make one for the board perhaps...

tesco
11-02-2005, 06:33 PM
I agree that the mod makes it so the posters feel more appreciated, i would too.
I just dont get why people dont thank on their own without being forced to. It's just common courtesy and they shouldn't have to be forced to do it.
But still if there's something there it shows how popular the NZB file is atleast so that is a plus (shows exactly who downloaded it instead of the number of times downloaded).

JunkBarMan
11-02-2005, 06:55 PM
Is there anyway to make it so the newest posted nzb file are at the top and not the newest topics posted in? While I think a thank you should be in order, I don't think we should have to sort through the topics daily.

tesco
11-02-2005, 07:06 PM
Is there anyway to make it so the newest posted nzb file are at the top and not the newest topics posted in? While I think a thank you should be in order, I don't think we should have to sort through the topics daily.
I agree, me and reality noticed this and are lookinginto a way to stop it from bumping.

RealitY
11-02-2005, 07:10 PM
Is there anyway to make it so the newest posted nzb file are at the top and not the newest topics posted in? While I think a thank you should be in order, I don't think we should have to sort through the topics daily.
Well I had mentioned to rossco that it would be nice if you could choose to view by last post or by thread starter and he mentioned he thought that was alread built which when I looked it is. Just go to the bottom of the page and select to view by Thread Starter and you should be all set...

EDIT: Thread starter appears to be the name of the posters not the time.
I guess a little further look into this may be need then.

tesco
11-02-2005, 10:51 PM
Is there anyway to make it so the newest posted nzb file are at the top and not the newest topics posted in? While I think a thank you should be in order, I don't think we should have to sort through the topics daily.
Well I had mentioned to rossco that it would be nice if you could choose to view by last post or by thread starter and he mentioned he thought that was alread built which when I looked it is. Just go to the bottom of the page and select to view by Thread Starter and you should be all set...

EDIT: Thread starter appears to be the name of the posters not the time.
I guess a little further look into this may be need then.
Later I can see if I can add another option to those that will sort by thread start time.
Not sure if it should be that by default in the NZB section or not.:unsure:

mammlouk
11-02-2005, 11:39 PM
Here's a quick shot at a thank you gif if you want to use it.

RealitY
11-03-2005, 07:07 AM
Decent though I was looking for something similar to the ones you see on some bt sites

mammlouk
11-03-2005, 05:16 PM
Not sure what those ones are like... can you post an example?

I did it the way I did thinking it kinda fits with the post icons used here.

RealitY
11-03-2005, 07:42 PM
Last I recall seeing one was on Torrentbytes quite some time ago...

Filliz
11-04-2005, 01:50 AM
Funny how all of the sudden you're starting to notice there are actually quite a lot of people grabbing nzb's here :D

Damnatory
11-04-2005, 03:52 AM
Funny how all of the sudden you're starting to notice there are actually quite a lot of people grabbing nzb's here :D
No kidding, I can't keep up with them now. :blink:

I noticed, we are definatly going to have to figure a way to make the hack not bump threads, that way only posts that actually have legitimate questions or comments will bump the threads, as I am finding it difficult to look through every thread and see whether it is just a thank you, or if it is some one with a question or a comment. :lol:

RealitY
11-04-2005, 04:47 AM
Ive discussed a middle ground with rossco for the Thank You hack that may be better perhaps...

Members will not be required to post to grab if

The thread already has 10 posts in it.
Theyve made 4 posts in the NZB Section in that day.
If they have posted 1 NZB in the section in that day.

As for the sorting of threads rossco is going to try and make some sort of hack for the section so that users can select if they want to view by last post or by thread start time.

james_bond_rulez
11-04-2005, 11:11 AM
can we have a system that automatically categorizes all the nzb content into games, movies, music...like in some of the torrent sites seen?

I am not against thank-yous, it's just a bit silly to impose such a hack system just to make the posters feel good. Besides a lot of these posts are either old movies or just crap movies, i've never seen other stuff on there, like porn or good piece of music or a good application...

i think we should have some sort of categorization system in place where every kind of content has its own place.

gets kinda boring to browse the nzb section after seeing the old stuff floating around with stupid thank-you posts...keeps coming back on top...

RealitY
11-04-2005, 05:47 PM
If you read though this thread were looking into how you can sort by Thread Start Time so members will have the option to see posts by when they were created. As for catagories weve also discussed having something similar to the torrent sites as youve mentioned. Also as for the Thank You part if you read my post above it will be adjusted to try and make a middle ground with it...

mammlouk
11-04-2005, 10:08 PM
can we have a system that automatically categorizes all the nzb content into games, movies, music...like in some of the torrent sites seen?

I am not against thank-yous, it's just a bit silly to impose such a hack system just to make the posters feel good. Besides a lot of these posts are either old movies or just crap movies, i've never seen other stuff on there, like porn or good piece of music or a good application...

i think we should have some sort of categorization system in place where every kind of content has its own place.

gets kinda boring to browse the nzb section after seeing the old stuff floating around with stupid thank-you posts...keeps coming back on top...

I do agree that it would be nice to be able to browse by category.

I do not agree with you saying that all most of the files are crap. For some people it is exactly what they are looking for.

Also, if you'll remember the NZB post guidlines, there is no porn posting allowed. I completely agree that there are plenty of other places to search for that.

RealitY
11-04-2005, 10:11 PM
If you have your your skin set to Synapse on the forum were putting up a fiter now if you want to check it out...

james_bond_rulez
11-04-2005, 11:32 PM
can we have a system that automatically categorizes all the nzb content into games, movies, music...like in some of the torrent sites seen?

I am not against thank-yous, it's just a bit silly to impose such a hack system just to make the posters feel good. Besides a lot of these posts are either old movies or just crap movies, i've never seen other stuff on there, like porn or good piece of music or a good application...

i think we should have some sort of categorization system in place where every kind of content has its own place.

gets kinda boring to browse the nzb section after seeing the old stuff floating around with stupid thank-you posts...keeps coming back on top...

I do agree that it would be nice to be able to browse by category.

I do not agree with you saying that all most of the files are crap. For some people it is exactly what they are looking for.

Also, if you'll remember the NZB post guidlines, there is no porn posting allowed. I completely agree that there are plenty of other places to search for that.

ya my bad dude, after a fresh look, some of the nzbs are actually very good, but what i mean is that we should have more variety in the content instead of just movies, games...

and also may i suggest that the forum automatically delete nzbs that is older than 20 or 30 days old, cuz some news servers actually have retention period that is shorter than 20 days and it's useless to users if there are thank-you posts that keep it coming back up on top...

tesco
11-05-2005, 12:18 AM
If you have your your skin set to Synapse on the forum were putting up a fiter now if you want to check it out...
It's in all skins reality...;)


Let us know how this filtering is working out.

There are a few bugs that will need to be fixed. One is that it doesn't save your choice when you leave the section or entire forum and come back, the other problem is realted and that is that if you click on a new page number (page navigation) the setting is lost so to fix that for now the page navigation has just been turned off if you're using the filters.

The plan is to have the setting choice stored in the database so that 1) you can browse out of the section and come back to have your same filter settings set and 2) you can browse through more than 1 page.



Not sure what those ones are like... can you post an example?

I did it the way I did thinking it kinda fits with the post icons used here.
I think he meant just a regular smilie type of icon not a post/thread icon because i'm not relaly sure how a thread icon could be used.:unsure:

RealitY
11-05-2005, 04:43 AM
also may i suggest that the forum automatically delete nzbs that is older than 20 or 30 days old, cuz some news servers actually have retention period that is shorter than 20 days and it's useless to users if there are thank-you posts that keep it coming back up on top...
As Ive mentioned rossco is working on something that will allow you to sort the section by "Thread Start Time" instead of "Last Post" which will accomplish what you want. Also rossco will be adding something to remove items older tthan 50 days...

tracydani
11-05-2005, 10:23 AM
Although I can understand people appreciating a quick "Thank You", I do not really like being required to do it.

Mostly from a privacy standpoint. I mean, I use NG's specifically so I do not have to worry about people seeing what I get or how much I get.
This makes it so that anyone can see what I get and how often. Not really something I want to advertise.

If this was a private forum I would want this system as it is only polite.

If I posted NZB's I would take the fact that several people dl'd the nzb to be thanks enough. I would feel good that something I posted was something that others were also interested in.

Anyway, my opinion on that.

I appreciate the nzb section and all the nzb posters, but this new system will pretty much rule out my use of it other then in a limited fashion.

TD

RealitY
11-05-2005, 10:40 AM
The fact is posting nzb files had just become intensly unatractive for posters. We watched them come and go and even state that it was unatractive to post. Some even felt offended to see large amounts of views and not even one post. When we decided to try out the hack I thought it would be nice for posters but had no clue that new posters would be posting which is great for the site. After all who wants to post to an epmty section.

Once this all settles in the hack wil deffinatly not be full time. Thoughts are those that post an NZB on a given day will not have to post a Thank You or that a thread that has five replies will no longer require a Thank You amongst other thoughts for this as its still very new. Were still putting these things into effect so that should make some middle ground and halt having thread with oodles of thanks also.

As for the rest of my thoughts regarding your post Ive sent that to you in a pm for discussion...

tracydani
11-05-2005, 11:03 AM
I guess I just get my sense of recognition from the number of views and grabs rather then the acutual responses.

Of course, if I had posted one of my world famous and very thought provoking topics/discussions in the Drawing Room and didn't get any responses but just views I would be rather dissapointed(that's why I don't do it :P ).

Anyway, I am for anything that makes the section more popular and realise I am probably one of the few who will ever be bothered by it. I will just restrict my use of it to a place where I can see what is available.

Thanks again to everyone who contributes and thanks for the pm and the ideas:)

TD

tracydani
11-05-2005, 03:10 PM
Through PM, REALITY pointed out yet another way.....

Some day I'll really have to read the nonsense in my sig:lol:

TD

tesco
11-06-2005, 01:54 AM
We've added the option to sort by 'Thread Start Date' meaining that thank you posts won't bump up 2 months old threads anymore. :)

backlash
11-07-2005, 09:13 PM
I think it's silly to be prompted to say thanks or give comments before actually downloading. How do you know it's good until you've downloaded it? Either way, I'll say thanks. :D

RealitY
11-07-2005, 09:23 PM
As Ive mentioned you can always edit your post or make an addition one later on. Also we will be lightning the need for Thank You so that it wont be required all the time if we can get it to work that way...

Damnatory
11-07-2005, 09:25 PM
I think it's silly to be prompted to say thanks or give comments before actually downloading. How do you know it's good until you've downloaded it? Either way, I'll say thanks. :D

Well you only have to do so a couple of times in a day... I think the maximum amount of times was changed to 5, and that is negated even, if you post a single nzb in that day.

Besides, it would be sort of tough to force the post if it were implemented after the download, you could just press the back button on your browser, or close the window. :p

RealitY
11-07-2005, 10:38 PM
Well you only have to do so a couple of times in a day... I think the maximum amount of times was changed to 5, and that is negated even, if you post a single nzb in that day.
Weve yet to get that into the hack although thats what wede like with maybe a lmit within a given thread also...

MultiForce
11-08-2005, 05:38 PM
also may i suggest that the forum automatically delete nzbs that is older than 20 or 30 days old, cuz some news servers actually have retention period that is shorter than 20 days and it's useless to users if there are thank-you posts that keep it coming back up on top...
As Ive mentioned rossco is working on something that will allow you to sort the section by "Thread Start Time" instead of "Last Post" which will accomplish what you want. Also rossco will be adding something to remove items older tthan 50 days...

I like that around 50 days becuase Giganews as I use has up to 57 days retention on multipart binaries. Not syaing that is 100% but I have downloaded files that are 30 and 40 days old and they where as complete as they should.

When it comes to the thank you thingie, I like it, because I'm downloading alot (not just getting NBZ's from here though) and I'm very happy that people are making stuff more accessible. It is not always so easy to remember the work people do to get this done when I'm downloading everything, so it will be kinda reminder for me to show my appreciation for their work.

Keep up the good work guys :D

colonblow87
12-03-2005, 10:40 PM
It seems to me that the requirement to post a "thanks" or whatever to download a NZB is kind of weird. This way others know what members of the forum are downloading. I would rather remain anonymous when I do something considered illegal. I will refrain from using the NZB section from now on.

Filliz
12-04-2005, 12:33 AM
If you're afraid that this might once be hold against you as evidence in court...it won't hold. :P
Saying thank you in a post is no solid proof that you downloaded it.

And instead of saying thanks you can always say something about the movie.
If you liked it or if you think it stinks.
This way threads won't get repetitive either.

I see no problem in this but then again, i haven't been on usenet for months now.

Damnatory
12-04-2005, 02:16 AM
Agreed.

On top of what Filliz stated, even if it were a record of what were downloading, it only shows that you downloaded an NZB, nothing is shown here beyond that.

NZB files just contain xml data. It's sort of a file that points to files, that point to files on a server. Sort of third person wise.

movbuff
12-04-2005, 05:38 AM
If your that worried then you shouldn't do the same at any sites since they can just log whoever grabs anything. Posting in a thread proves no more than grabbing without the post. Its little more than a notepad file anyway. I think your a bit over consirned but thats your call.

jiff68
12-28-2005, 11:54 PM
im new here i dont post for the thanks. just want to share what i find its not the getting stuff for free that i like its just the getting stuff cuz i can

macca22
12-18-2006, 01:31 PM
I appreciate the efforts of the whole site and those that post Nzbs not having the resources here so happy to thank those that can