First Build

[suprafreak6]

Ah Big Situation...
My dad said he would pay for most of the parts for my first computer build, but (i hate buts, but i like butts, anyways...) he said if i mess up and the money goes down the drain, then all my privliges will be taken away...
What do you guys think I should do...
(He gave me a price limit of "As Cheap As Possible")

SO here are the parts

MOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138264
(Should I use the onboard graphics and sound on this mobo?)

CASE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144001

PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148008

HARDDRIVE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144184

PROCESSOR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103533

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440

Do you guys see anything wrong with this combo..?
I really need the FST community to help me out on this
AND what are your opinions on the parts...
What are the chances i will mess up? Im pretty sure i can do it.
Are there any chances of all the money going down the drain along with my privliges?

[Virtualbody1234]

Why did you start a new thread? You already have one about this.



A 3000+ Venice core would save you some money.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537

You also forgot about the optical drive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827152047


As for the possibility of success... That depends a lot on your ability.

[suprafreak6]

whether or not i fail was because i was wondering how do u know where to plug and chug the wires into the mobo. Are all mobos the same or do they come with a manual. Also optical drives i was going to use from existing computers, sorry for not mentioning..

and the processor you showed me, is that still good because i want a good processor that will last me a while until i get an X2

also...wtf...do i need thermal paste for? do i have all the fans i need.

[Virtualbody1234]

I think you need to study more about all you possibilities before you decide to build a system.

You also need to start to make your own opinions and evaluations about if something is good for you or not. I cannot know all your needs. It could be that a 3000+ and that 6100 GeForce is way more powerful than you expect. Or it could also be that you need a 4400+ and a GeForce 7800GT. I cannot know these things for you.

[suprafreak6]

okay, sorry

[Virtualbody1234]

Perhaps a better approach would be to get your dad to work with you.

[S!X]

That aspire psu isnt the best :(

[asmithz]

That aspire psu isnt the best :(

Also the case he chose has a 420watt psu already..


The best thing to do, when making a new computer, is to wait. Keep looking at what there is, and never choose first thing you see and like. There might, and almost always something better.

[kazaa2002]

Perhaps a better approach would be to get your dad to work with you.

VB is right,

ok here is my comment and a suggestion

building or buying a pc is like buying a car.
you have to have a budget and you have to know what you are going to use (car or pc) for. YOU NEED TO set a fixed amount that is for building/purchasing this pc and then keep to it.

you need to educate yourself and your dad on costs
get organized....your examples on this thread, adding up is an amount of $565usd
you cannot get the latest and greatest with that money range.

with your dad's help, create a wish list
purpose of this machine is....for school work
....strictly for games
.....hobbies, other interests
.....shared by all family members and all ages

some questions....?who is principally using it?
?how long are you planning to keep system?
?are you going to make it upgradeable?
?how much is dad "thinking" a pc costs(sticker shock)
?window shop and do a show and tell(test build on line
for ideas of current cost vs performance.
you have to know what you will need this pc for (so you and your dad
will not be disappointed.)

read a whole lot, have some patience,keeping asking questions
take notes.....yes it is exciting, preparing for a build....but preparing
is most of the battle.
we were all at one time, in your shoes, take a deep breath and smile
someday you will help a forum member with his first build.
keep us posted.
note well............this forum has a lot of threads on builds and costs
do some searching and learn by example.

[Formula1]

Ah Big Situation...
My dad said he would pay for most of the parts for my first computer build, but (i hate buts, but i like butts, anyways...) he said if i mess up and the money goes down the drain, then all my privliges will be taken away...
What do you guys think I should do...
(He gave me a price limit of "As Cheap As Possible")

SO here are the parts

MOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138264
(Should I use the onboard graphics and sound on this mobo?)

CASE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144001

PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148008

HARDDRIVE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144184

PROCESSOR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103533

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440

Do you guys see anything wrong with this combo..?
I really need the FST community to help me out on this
AND what are your opinions on the parts...
What are the chances i will mess up? Im pretty sure i can do it.
Are there any chances of all the money going down the drain along with my privliges?



Umm as VB said , you are better off with and amd 3000 , if you are looking for as cheap as possible pc, otherwise gettinh a 3500 for a cheap ass/really bad video card isnt really a smart idea. When it comes to speed, AMD focuses on performance not speed. My current amd 754 skt processor operates at 2.0ghz and guess what? it loads windows at least 2-3 times faster than my petium 4 2.8ghz in my hp pavillion. So again a 3000+ is still a great processor, i dont see the need in getting a 3500 unless you are trying a really high end pc. And by the time the 3000 becomes out of date, AMD will probably introduce a new socket...

About the motherboard, the onbard sound on most motherboards are good, no need to change them unless you are buying some really expensive speakers.... The onbard graphics arent something i'd wanna use to play the latest pc game like FEAR .... you really want atleast a 128mb card...

I got my pc over a year ago and it cost a total of 771$ including shipping... by now the value would be like 500-600$ if i were to buy it today..

[Virtualbody1234]

... Are all mobos the same or do they come with a manual...
No not all mobos are the same.

You can download the manual for that TForce 6100-939 here: http://www.biostar.com.tw/t-series/download/socket939/t6100-939/m_t6100-939.exe

In fact, most components have manuals or detailed specs if you look at the manufacturers web sites.

[lynx]

In fact, most components have manuals or detailed specs if you look at the manufacturers web sites.Actually, that raises a very valid point.

Before you buy any component, look at the web site to see what sort of support there is. If the web site is crap then if you have a problem with the component you aren't going to get much help, so it's probably a good idea to get an alternative.

[ApacNTS]

definently agree about the mobo cpu combo, get the 3000, if you got the 3500 it wouldnt see full potential in games because it would be bottlenecked by the intergrated gpu.

the 3000, that will save you about $30, you could also slim down the hdd if your strapped for cash, save another $20 or so depends how deep you cut it. ram could be slimmed down to 512mb and save another $40, if your not gonna burn dvd's/cd's or watch dvds quite yet, you could get a basic cdrom drive for about $24 shipped. saving another $14. bottom line like others have said time and time again it all depends on what you wish to do with the system.

HDD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822162004)
RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820223009)
CDROM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827101129)

[Virtualbody1234]

the 3000, that will save you about $30, Umm.

3500+ (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103533) $219.00
3000+ (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537) $146.00

A difference of... $73.00

So yeah, about $30. :frusty:

[ApacNTS]

typo...fucking sue me lol :p jp

[suprafreak6]

lol
well thanks guys
after reading this
im just goin to wait till AFTER my computer maitainance class.(which i forgot to mention i am taking next semester)and my dad really cant help me, hes a doctor, lol, without a clue on building.
I figure i will look around and ive seen prices go down by 5$ in a week so who knows what it will be later..

[ooo]

i dont think he'll mess up 14? thats about when i made my first pc lol

[suprafreak6]

ok looked into things for a while, and looked at alot of websites, i think im ready to build!

i need your help before i order the parts though,
what do u say about these parts

PROCESSOR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103562

HDD
Same as one on first page but instead of one im going to try two

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440
(Whats unbuffered all about?)(Im pretty sure i picked the wrong pin of ram but just let you check cuz you are smarter)

MOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128306


GRAPHICS CARD
Help me out on this one guys..How much does a graphics card that can play bf2 and half life 2 cost im need help with graphics card

Also anyone got advice on 19" flatpanel monitors for around 190$?

[clocker]

eVga 6600GT (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130214) should do you fine for a while.
By "flat panel" do you mean LCD or a flat panel CRT display?
LCDs are cheap and getting cheaper, wait till January for the best prices.

[suprafreak6]

is there a graphics card like that with 256mg? I thought i might be better with that...
also yes iwanted a lcd sorry about that, but do u think i should wait for january to get all parts?

[suprafreak6]

ok so here are one of my final thoughts
HD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144184

MOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128306

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440

PSU
As for that i thought the one on page one would be compatible but i checked the socket on the mobo and it needs 20pins, while the psu i chose has 24pins
so i shall look for another

Graphics Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133129

thats pretty much it, is all that compatible though?

[suprafreak6]

can someone help me find a 20pin glowing around 500watt power supply, preferably one that is good :)

[clocker]

Sparkle 530w. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103489)

[suprafreak6]

is it possible for me to use this?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1482751&Tab=11&NoMapp=0
and just convert the 24 pin on the power supply i originally chose and convert it to a 20 pin?
but hey does this all work together?

[clocker]

Your original choice, the Aspire, won't require an adaptor to work...it's convertable from 20-24 pin as it comes.

I don't like that PSU, BTW.
The Sparkle is a far better unit for only what, 20 bucks more?

[suprafreak6]

cool, i think im going to stick with the asphire, my budget doesnt cut an extra 20$ but i heard asphire is really good anyways

[clocker]

but i heard asphire is really good anyways
From whom?
I would suspect they were either trying to sell you one or had an uncle who knew someone who had one.
Once.


Seriously dude, you really want to risk all your new, shiny hardware on a dubious PSU?

[suprafreak6]

if there was a cooler looking one id try to convince my dad, but it sorta looks bad, even though its really good
know what i mean?

oh and i heard that the psu was good from a person on here who has it and the same mobo im getting, but all i want to know is if i do get that psu will i be able to use that converter or how do they allow u to use 20 or 24? i dont get what you said before, how they let you make it 20 or 24, how?

[clocker]

It has a twenty pin ATX connector with a separate 4 pin that can attach to it if needed.

And no, I don't know what "cool looking" has to do with it, but good luck anyway.

[mr. nails]

i've had my aspire psu for about 1 year and no probs.

[suprafreak6]

kk well im going to order within the next hour, thanks for everyones help, but this is just the first partm next part is assembly, lol and no i wont make a new thread on it admins

[lynx]

I assume it is too late now, but did you actually bother to look at the power connector on the Gigabyte mobo? The one on the picture Newegg supplied you with?

You will find that it is a 24-pin connector with 4 of the pins covered in case you want to use a 20-pin connector.

[suprafreak6]

nope i looked at that i talked about it in another thread i think, i dno, but the power supply i choose has the option of using 20 or 24 clocker told me that and then i read that it said 20+4 which means it has 20pin plus another thing you can connect for 4 pins

[clocker]

lol and no i wont make a new thread on it admins
Oh, please do.
I'm only displaying 40 posts/page and your build adventure would make me scroll down too far to get to.
Start afresh laddie.

BTW, I notice that you haven't mentioned an operating system for this machine.
I assume you will running Linux then.
Good.
That section is pretty barren and could use some activity.

[suprafreak6]

haha i was wondering if it was possible to have dual os's but anyways my main one was going to be xp corporate edition
sure ill start a new thread once i get parts lol