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Rip The Jacker
11-23-2005, 05:00 AM
Santa has been banned in schools, libraries, public parks and city halls all across the country by people who say he symbolizes a Christian holiday — Christmas — therefore he is a Christian symbol and offends some non-Christians.
This will come as a surprise to most Christians who do not view Santa as a symbol of their religion. And to many Christians it is an example of how any hint of Christmas, a Christian holiday, has become forbidden in some places.
Evidently, one of those places might be a can of Coke.
Full Story: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175562,00.html
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They're removing Santa from Coke cans and replacing him with polar bears... It amazes me... people will complain about anything these days... I mean... I'm Christian... and I wouldn't get upset if I saw jewish/muslim symbols on a can of Coke... what's the big deal?
Discuss...
The world is going to shit. It's sad really. Wal-Mart and Cost Plus and Target and some other stores have said that they will start this year with replacing the term "Merry Christmas" with "Happy Holidays". What's even worse is that people will still shop at these stores (even the ones who say that what they're doing is terrible) and will still buy Coke. It's our own faults for putting up with it. The attitude is similar to that of elections or recycling, "One person won't make a difference". Well this year, I've decided not to shop at those stores, and I'm going to stick to my guns.:mellow:
3RA1N1AC
11-23-2005, 07:43 AM
The world is going to shit. It's sad really. Wal-Mart and Cost Plus and Target and some other stores have said that they will start this year with replacing the term "Merry Christmas" with "Happy Holidays".
keep up, slowpoke. wal-mart put merry christmas back up because some catholic group complained about the happy holidays thing. december is not for everybody and all their other crappy holidays, it's only for christians. praise jesus or GET OUT.
also this:
From the December 15, 2004 Lou Dobbs Tonight:
CHRISTINE ROMANS: Lou, Macy's is adamant it's not trying to offend anyone, just the opposite. It's doing just what other businesses do, retail and otherwise. It's trying very hard not to exclude anyone. That's why "Season's Greetings, Happy Holidays" is better.
LOU DOBBS: Well, they've just excluded everyone who is celebrating Christmas, which is, after all, the foundation of the so-called season in which they make most of their profits.
ROMANS: Moving definitely toward not offending anyone.
DOBBS: You know, when you think about it, "Happy Holidays" -- what other holidays are we celebrating right now? We're celebrating Christmas, right?
ROMANS: And they say Hanukkah, Kwanzaa --
DOBBS: Kwanzaa?
ROMANS: -- also the end of Ramadan and a host of other holidays between Thanksgiving and New Year's.
DOBBS: But as we celebrate each one of those -- and each of us in this very diverse society does celebrate -- my Jewish friends say to me "Happy Hanukkah," I say to them "Merry Christmas," none of us is offended. I don't understand the reluctance to use Christmas.
ROMANS: They say "Happy Holidays" covers it all.
DOBBS: They do? Well, they're wrong. And merry Christmas. Thanks, Christine.
Dobbs made his comments directly following a report by Romans, in which she quoted a statement by Macy's which conveyed the company's desire to be inclusive of "all religious and ethnic celebrations."
According to Romans' report:
ROMANS: Macy's says it doesn't ban Christmas -- witness Santa in Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade and all of its holiday decorations. But the company says the phrases "Seasons Greetings" and "Happy Holidays" embrace all religious and ethnic celebrations that take place in November and December, and "these expressions of goodwill are more reflective of the multicultural society in which we live today."
this "OMG christmas is under attack! the barbarians are at the gate!" thing is, frankly, a lot of hyped-up baloney. it's the new "OMG WMD." bunch of blow-dryed talking heads looking for the next fake controversy to get their target audiences riled up and eyes glued to the boob tube.
like. take it easy, fellas. conservatives and christians are still in control of the USA. no need to be a sore winner.
Virtualbody1234
11-23-2005, 09:01 AM
They're removing Santa from Coke cans and replacing him with polar bears...
I'm offended by the use of the polar bears.
thewizeard
11-23-2005, 09:36 AM
..I always thought that Santa lived on the North Pole...in Finland ;) and was a pagan Feast...
Buffalo
11-23-2005, 09:43 AM
What is going on?
one of our local councils have stopped funding the christmas lights this year for the same reason, sad for kids.
Not seen the Coca-Cola "holidays are coming" advert this year so far, so i guess that's gone as well :(
I'm not very relegious, but I do celebrate Christmas
Rip The Jacker
11-23-2005, 09:46 AM
they will start this year with replacing the term "Merry Christmas" with "Happy Holidays". Ah dammit. :pinch:
It just bugs me... how some people get upset over the stupidest things... if it really bothers you that Santa is on a can of Coke... drink Mountain Dew or something else... jeez... Next thing you know it'll be illegal to put up christmas lights or something... :blink:
We can't just remove shit because a few people find them offensive...
3RA1N1AC
11-23-2005, 09:50 AM
if it really bothers you that Santa is on a can of Coke... drink Mountain Dew or something else... jeez...
the Coca-Cola company doesn't want people to drink Mountain Dew. Mountain Dew is a Pepsi brand. if it comes down to a choice between keeping Santa or losing customers to Mountain Dew, Santa's gonna lose.
if they release Coke cans in the USA prominently featuring some of these symbols (or images connected to them?), and they don't receive a ton of complaints from christians, i'll be more willing to entertain the notion that the polar bear cans represent unfair discrimination against christmas:
http://www.riverstonebead.com/images/imagesinstone/Images%20Star%20of%20David2gif.gifhttp://www.mideastnewswire.com/moon4_islam.jpghttp://www.scientology-washingtondc.org/pics/en_US/scientology/cross2.gif
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-67496/satanism/bilder/pent.gifhttp://www.healingems.com/Ganesha.jpg
Aaron_T
11-23-2005, 10:49 AM
that really is one of the most stupid things ive ever heard, anyone who agrees with taking santa off the coke cans is an IDIOT.
3RA1N1AC
11-23-2005, 11:20 AM
that really is one of the most stupid things ive ever heard, anyone who agrees with taking santa off the coke cans is an IDIOT.
+ anyone who thinks christmas is in any danger? also an IDIOT.
just to be fair.
Aaron_T
11-23-2005, 01:07 PM
pretty soon we wont be allowed to put up christmas trees because it might offend passers by.....
Buffalo
11-23-2005, 01:25 PM
They pass me by and throw eggs :( yet i am not a follower in anything :lol:
I guess this year a lot of products wont have Santa on,
even the Mince Pies
Busyman
11-23-2005, 01:58 PM
that really is one of the most stupid things ive ever heard, anyone who agrees with taking santa off the coke cans is an IDIOT.
+ anyone who thinks christmas is in any danger? also an IDIOT.
just to be fair.
Pretty soon the word Christmas will be erased from TV, billboards, and newspapers. I say so the hell what.
If Christmas is a religious holiday, let it be religious and fuck all the other bullshit marketing feces smeared all over the place.
He wasn't even born on Dec. 25.:dry:
If you really want to celebrate Christmas, put Jesus back in it.
Aaron_T
11-23-2005, 02:44 PM
+ anyone who thinks christmas is in any danger? also an IDIOT.
just to be fair.
Pretty soon the word Christmas will be erased from TV, billboards, and newspapers. I say so the hell what.
If Christmas is a religious holiday, let it be religious and fuck all the other bullshit marketing feces smeared all over the place.
He wasn't even born on Dec. 25.:dry:
If you really want to celebrate Christmas, put Jesus back in it.
jesus isnt fun, whats fun about some hairy hippy being nailed to a cross, no-one these days celebrate the real meaning of christmas, which is probably fake anyway!
blue_1
11-23-2005, 02:45 PM
I want Santa :O
:D
Busyman
11-23-2005, 03:45 PM
Pretty soon the word Christmas will be erased from TV, billboards, and newspapers. I say so the hell what.
If Christmas is a religious holiday, let it be religious and fuck all the other bullshit marketing feces smeared all over the place.
He wasn't even born on Dec. 25.:dry:
If you really want to celebrate Christmas, put Jesus back in it.
jesus isnt fun, whats fun about some hairy hippy being nailed to a cross, no-one these days celebrate the real meaning of christmas, which is probably fake anyway!
Not my point and the point is who cares if you celebrate it since you ain't Christian. :1eye:
I don't have the inkling to make Hannukah fun 'cause I don't give a shit about it.
Christmas on the Dec. 25 was made to overshadow a pagan day anyway. It is some made up compromise shit that, as I see it, worked. Christians and non-Christians celebrate it now like it was when it was made up.
vidcc
11-23-2005, 05:07 PM
He wasn't even born on Dec. 25.:dry:
If you really want to celebrate Christmas, put Jesus back in it.
Good point.
if they release Coke cans in the USA prominently featuring some of these symbols (or images connected to them?), and they don't receive a ton of complaints from christians, i'll be more willing to entertain the notion that the polar bear cans represent unfair discrimination against christmas:
http://www.riverstonebead.com/images/imagesinstone/Images%20Star%20of%20David2gif.gifhttp://www.mideastnewswire.com/moon4_islam.jpghttp://www.scientology-washingtondc.org/pics/en_US/scientology/cross2.gif
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-67496/satanism/bilder/pent.gifhttp://www.healingems.com/Ganesha.jpg
Another good point.
@ all
Perhaps to please everyone the stores should not put up any "holiday" stuff until each holiday. Have the stores celebrate with all their customers on an individual basis. I'm sure no one would be offended by the walmart Islam displays or having the Jewish candles lit in a prominent display area. I believe Satanists have some good festivals...how about a "happy devil day" display. Of course that would mean that they were not just covering a Christian holiday :O .
It seems ironic to me to be offended by the use of "happy holidays" or "seasons greetings" then suggesting that nobody should be offended by "merry christmas".
To the removal of santa. Yes it is dumb to remove it but as he is not a religious symbol why would a Christian see it as an attack on their religion?.
Sid Hartha
11-23-2005, 06:06 PM
They're removing Santa from Coke cans and replacing him with polar bears... It amazes me... people will complain about anything these days...
I know. It's getting pretty ridiculous. I've even heard about people who actually complain about what's on Coke cans! Weird, huh?
Rat Faced
11-23-2005, 06:19 PM
if it really bothers you that Santa is on a can of Coke... drink Mountain Dew or something else... jeez...
the Coca-Cola company doesn't want people to drink Mountain Dew. Mountain Dew is a Pepsi brand. if it comes down to a choice between keeping Santa or losing customers to Mountain Dew, Santa's gonna lose.
if they release Coke cans in the USA prominently featuring some of these symbols (or images connected to them?), and they don't receive a ton of complaints from christians, i'll be more willing to entertain the notion that the polar bear cans represent unfair discrimination against christmas:
http://www.riverstonebead.com/images/imagesinstone/Images%20Star%20of%20David2gif.gifhttp://www.mideastnewswire.com/moon4_islam.jpghttp://www.scientology-washingtondc.org/pics/en_US/scientology/cross2.gif
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-67496/satanism/bilder/pent.gifhttp://www.healingems.com/Ganesha.jpg
Satanism is a Christian cult tho.. :rolleyes:
Busyman
11-23-2005, 07:57 PM
the Coca-Cola company doesn't want people to drink Mountain Dew. Mountain Dew is a Pepsi brand. if it comes down to a choice between keeping Santa or losing customers to Mountain Dew, Santa's gonna lose.
if they release Coke cans in the USA prominently featuring some of these symbols (or images connected to them?), and they don't receive a ton of complaints from christians, i'll be more willing to entertain the notion that the polar bear cans represent unfair discrimination against christmas:
http://www.riverstonebead.com/images/imagesinstone/Images%20Star%20of%20David2gif.gifhttp://www.mideastnewswire.com/moon4_islam.jpghttp://www.scientology-washingtondc.org/pics/en_US/scientology/cross2.gif
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-67496/satanism/bilder/pent.gifhttp://www.healingems.com/Ganesha.jpg
Satanism is a Christian cult tho.. :rolleyes:
Satan knows the Bible better than us all.
I want Santa :O
:D
I agree with Busyman; put Jesus back into the mix.
Santa Claus is an infamous prick anyhow, and he runs a non-union shop.
The S.P.C.A. wants his ass for abusing reindeer, too. :angry:
Political Correctness gone mad.
Agrajag
11-23-2005, 10:59 PM
Political Correctness gone mad.
Indeed.
It's a bit 'o' fun ffs.
How in the name of gepulon is it offensive, to any religion. How does it offend people's beliefs.
Rip The Jacker
11-23-2005, 11:00 PM
Good point.
if they release Coke cans in the USA prominently featuring some of these symbols (or images connected to them?), and they don't receive a ton of complaints from christians, i'll be more willing to entertain the notion that the polar bear cans represent unfair discrimination against christmas:
http://www.riverstonebead.com/images/imagesinstone/Images%20Star%20of%20David2gif.gifhttp://www.mideastnewswire.com/moon4_islam.jpghttp://www.scientology-washingtondc.org/pics/en_US/scientology/cross2.gif
http://home.swipnet.se/%7Ew-67496/satanism/bilder/pent.gifhttp://www.healingems.com/Ganesha.jpg Another good point.
@ all
Perhaps to please everyone the stores should not put up any "holiday" stuff until each holiday. Have the stores celebrate with all their customers on an individual basis. I'm sure no one would be offended by the walmart Islam displays or having the Jewish candles lit in a prominent display area. I believe Satanists have some good festivals...how about a "happy devil day" display. Of course that would mean that they were not just covering a Christian holiday :O .
It seems ironic to me to be offended by the use of "happy holidays" or "seasons greetings" then suggesting that nobody should be offended by "merry christmas".
To the removal of santa. Yes it is dumb to remove it but as he is not a religious symbol why would a Christian see it as an attack on their religion?. I don't see it as an attack on my religion... the removal of Santa isn't what bothers me... it's the fact that sooo many people will whine and moan about the stupidest of things... just to get what they want.
You can put any of those symbols above on a can of Coke.... and I'd still drink it... it wouldn't upset me. Who gives a crap what's on the can? I'm still drinking what's inside... maybe that's just what I think?
People actually take the time to complain about symbols on cans of soda... wow.
I can imagine it now....
"OMG!!!!111 They have Santa on this can of Coke! This is an outrage! I'm SO offended!! This is horrible... Santa on Coke? Hell... might as well put Hitler on Coke!! Or Stalin! It'd be just as offensive!! What was Coke thinking??!! Putting Santa on a can of Coke!! During Christmas!!! Oh no!!! Get me the Coke company! No wait! Get me the mayor! No! GET ME THE PRESIDENT!!!!"
:frusty:
@j2k4
:lol: :lol:
Busyman
11-23-2005, 11:32 PM
Good point.
Another good point.
@ all
Perhaps to please everyone the stores should not put up any "holiday" stuff until each holiday. Have the stores celebrate with all their customers on an individual basis. I'm sure no one would be offended by the walmart Islam displays or having the Jewish candles lit in a prominent display area. I believe Satanists have some good festivals...how about a "happy devil day" display. Of course that would mean that they were not just covering a Christian holiday :O .
It seems ironic to me to be offended by the use of "happy holidays" or "seasons greetings" then suggesting that nobody should be offended by "merry christmas".
To the removal of santa. Yes it is dumb to remove it but as he is not a religious symbol why would a Christian see it as an attack on their religion?. I don't see it as an attack on my religion... the removal of Santa isn't what bothers me... it's the fact that sooo many people will whine and moan about the stupidest of things... just to get what they want.
You can put any of those symbols above on a can of Coke.... and I'd still drink it... it wouldn't upset me. Who gives a crap what's on the can? I'm still drinking what's inside... maybe that's just what I think?
People actually take the time to complain about symbols on cans of soda... wow.
I can imagine it now....
"OMG!!!!111 They have Santa on this can of Coke! This is an outrage! I'm SO offended!! This is horrible... Santa on Coke? Hell... might as well put Hitler on Coke!! Or Stalin! It'd be just as offensive!! What was Coke thinking??!! Putting Santa on a can of Coke!! During Christmas!!! Oh no!!! Get me the Coke company! No wait! Get me the mayor! No! GET ME THE PRESIDENT!!!!"
:frusty:
@j2k4
:lol: :lol:
What's funny about it is
1. some these same folk celebrate Christmas.
2. many Christians would get upset if there was a crescent and star on a can of Coke (if they knew what it stood for).
3. how is a religious symbol offensive to atheists when they think it's fairytale mythology anyway?
Seems to me that they'd be offended over Zeus, Hansel and Gretel, The Boy Who Cried Wolf, and anything else "story" related.:ermm:
They are almost evil or something.
Rip The Jacker
11-23-2005, 11:36 PM
1. Yup.
2. Yeah.... most would... I wouldn't... it's just a can of Soda...
3. Eh... good point.
Some people just suck...
vidcc
11-24-2005, 12:08 AM
I don't see it as an attack on my religion... the removal of Santa isn't what bothers me... it's the fact that sooo many people will whine and moan about the stupidest of things... just to get what they want.
People actually take the time to complain about symbols on cans of soda... wow.
I can imagine it now....
"OMG!!!!111 They have Santa on this can of Coke! This is an outrage! I'm SO offended!! This is horrible... Santa on Coke? Hell... might as well put Hitler on Coke!! Or Stalin! It'd be just as offensive!! What was Coke thinking??!! Putting Santa on a can of Coke!! During Christmas!!! Oh no!!! Get me the Coke company! No wait! Get me the mayor! No! GET ME THE PRESIDENT!!!!"
Are you sure your complaint is directed at the right target?
After your quoted post decided to read the entire article you took the snippet from and nowhere does the coke company say it removed Santa because of "pressure" from non religious or other than Christian groups. In fact reading the article the only person that seems to think this is the author. Nowhere does it say anyone complained to coke about Santa being on the can, however the one complaint about symbols on cans of soda is very clear, and that come in the form of the author being offended that Santa is not on a can of soda .....seems like a hype over nothing
Christmas trees are going up all over America, except in some places where shadowy and mysterious forces seem to be fighting it.
Seriously. Take for example the Coca-Cola Santa. For 74 years he has been a fixture of Coca-Cola advertising during the weeks just before Christmas.
The Coke Santa is a classic. But as of 2005 he is no more on Coca-Cola packaging.
That means Santa has been evicted from cans, glass bottles and two liter plastic bottles. And he's been replaced by polar bears.
The polar bear has always been a Coke favorite, in conjunction with Santa. But now the bear is carrying on the Christmas tradition alone.
Now some of you may remember that I brought this up a week or so ago and reported that Coke corporate told me, "No, no way. Santa is still there."
But Monday I called one of those customer service hotlines posing as a plain old customer and the person there told me Santa is not on the 2005 packages, but he might return in 2006 on what would be his 75th anniversary with Coke.
In the meantime, Santa's only 2005 Christmas season appearance on behalf of Coke will be on point of sale signs and banners. But he's gone from the can or bottle.
So what is the real deal here?
It certainly does smell like Santa is being banished.
We're going to pursue this with Coke and see why Santa wasn't on cans or bottles.
But I suspect I know.
As I have written about in my book "The War on Christmas," Santa is being declared a religious symbol by a lot of secularists who are trying to push Christmas out of public displays or trying to suppress Christmas.
Santa has been banned in schools, libraries, public parks and city halls all across the country by people who say he symbolizes a Christian holiday — Christmas — therefore he is a Christian symbol and offends some non-Christians.
This will come as a surprise to most Christians who do not view Santa as a symbol of their religion. And to many Christians it is an example of how any hint of Christmas, a Christian holiday, has become forbidden in some places.
Evidently, one of those places might be a can of Coke.
That's My Word.
Busyman
11-24-2005, 12:17 AM
I don't see it as an attack on my religion... the removal of Santa isn't what bothers me... it's the fact that sooo many people will whine and moan about the stupidest of things... just to get what they want.
People actually take the time to complain about symbols on cans of soda... wow.
I can imagine it now....
"OMG!!!!111 They have Santa on this can of Coke! This is an outrage! I'm SO offended!! This is horrible... Santa on Coke? Hell... might as well put Hitler on Coke!! Or Stalin! It'd be just as offensive!! What was Coke thinking??!! Putting Santa on a can of Coke!! During Christmas!!! Oh no!!! Get me the Coke company! No wait! Get me the mayor! No! GET ME THE PRESIDENT!!!!"
Are you sure your complaint is directed at the right target?
After your quoted post decided to read the entire article you took the snippet from and nowhere does the coke company say it removed Santa because of "pressure" from non religious or other than Christian groups. In fact reading the article the only person that seems to think this is the author. Nowhere does it say anyone complained to coke about Santa being on the can, however the one complaint about symbols on cans of soda is very clear, and that come in the form of the author being offended that Santa is not on a can of soda .....seems like a hype over nothing
Why would there be a complaint about a regular can of Coke?
Nvm some people are stupid.
Christmas trees are going up all over America, except in some places where shadowy and mysterious forces seem to be fighting it.
Seriously. Take for example the Coca-Cola Santa. For 74 years he has been a fixture of Coca-Cola advertising during the weeks just before Christmas.
The Coke Santa is a classic. But as of 2005 he is no more on Coca-Cola packaging.
That means Santa has been evicted from cans, glass bottles and two liter plastic bottles. And he's been replaced by polar bears.
The polar bear has always been a Coke favorite, in conjunction with Santa. But now the bear is carrying on the Christmas tradition alone.
Now some of you may remember that I brought this up a week or so ago and reported that Coke corporate told me, "No, no way. Santa is still there."
But Monday I called one of those customer service hotlines posing as a plain old customer and the person there told me Santa is not on the 2005 packages, but he might return in 2006 on what would be his 75th anniversary with Coke.
In the meantime, Santa's only 2005 Christmas season appearance on behalf of Coke will be on point of sale signs and banners. But he's gone from the can or bottle.
So what is the real deal here?
It certainly does smell like Santa is being banished.
We're going to pursue this with Coke and see why Santa wasn't on cans or bottles.
But I suspect I know.
As I have written about in my book "The War on Christmas," Santa is being declared a religious symbol by a lot of secularists who are trying to push Christmas out of public displays or trying to suppress Christmas.
Santa has been banned in schools, libraries, public parks and city halls all across the country by people who say he symbolizes a Christian holiday — Christmas — therefore he is a Christian symbol and offends some non-Christians.
This will come as a surprise to most Christians who do not view Santa as a symbol of their religion. And to many Christians it is an example of how any hint of Christmas, a Christian holiday, has become forbidden in some places.
Evidently, one of those places might be a can of Coke.
That's My Word.
So you watch FOXNEWS, eh?:P
I wonder if Gibson would mind if dear old Santa were merely relegated to the caffeine-free diet can? :huh:
maebach
11-24-2005, 01:02 AM
If we put up plastic Santa's on our lawn, will the police confiscate it?
And, what does the real Santa have to say about this?
vidcc
11-24-2005, 01:05 AM
So you watch FOXNEWS, eh?:P
I wonder if Gibson would mind if dear old Santa were merely relegated to the caffeine-free diet can? :huh:
I watch a variety of news stations and even occasionally listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh (mind you that's just for laughs).
To my own discredit I didn't bother reading the whole article when first posted, I wrongly assumed that the story was based on facts and not paranoia. Gibson added 2+2 and got anti Christian conspiracy theory as an answer.
...what does the real Santa have to say about this?
Santa is seeking injunctive relief in the 9th Federal Circuit.
He doesn't stand a chance.
So you watch FOXNEWS, eh?:P
I wonder if Gibson would mind if dear old Santa were merely relegated to the caffeine-free diet can? :huh:
I watch a variety of news stations and even occasionally listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh (mind you that's just for laughs).
No wonder your reasoning is so scatter-shot.
To my own discredit I didn't bother reading the whole article when first posted, I wrongly assumed that the story was based on facts and not paranoia. Gibson added 2+2 and got anti Christian conspiracy theory as an answer.
"Discredit" is right.
I have a creche in my yard; if anyone objects, it's just something I picked up at a yard-sale.
If I tell any offended neighbors it has no religious connotation to me, who are they to object?
If I meant nothing "Christian" by it's display, then no harm, I say...
vidcc
11-24-2005, 01:36 AM
"Discredit" is right.
I have a creche in my yard; if anyone objects, it's just something I picked up at a yard-sale.
If I tell any offended neighbors it has no religious connotation to me, who are they to object?
If I meant nothing "Christian" by it's display, then no harm, I say...
I'm sure you are trying to make a point here...I just wonder what it is
"Discredit" is right.
I have a creche in my yard; if anyone objects, it's just something I picked up at a yard-sale.
If I tell any offended neighbors it has no religious connotation to me, who are they to object?
If I meant nothing "Christian" by it's display, then no harm, I say...
I'm sure you are trying to make a point here...I just wonder what it is
You're not the one Jerry warned me about, are you?
These sojourns aren't agreeing with you, vid.
Never take another one, do you hear me, young man?:angry:
3RA1N1AC
11-24-2005, 05:04 AM
If we put up plastic Santa's on our lawn, will the police confiscate it?
And, what does the real Santa have to say about this?
well, the way reporters at FoxNews and The Sun tell it (both owned by rupert murdoch, coincidentally i'm sure), the conspiracy against christmas will be along soon to confiscate it. the way these same people tell it, american christians are legally guaranteed santa and "merry christmas" everywhere they go, on everything they buy, etc etc from november 1st till december 26th. if you see a place that doesn't have merry christmas, you're being persecuted. and since christians are the majority, they should have their way not just 99% of the time but 100% of the time.
news flash: coke is not god and wal-mart is not a temple. they're not obligated to honor any holiday by its proper name. a lot of these companies are deciding "happy holidays," "season's greetings," and polar bears have the broadest appeal... and they've got a right to make that decision. if you feel "happy holidays" doesn't include christmas, then my condolences and enjoy your unhappy days of unholiness. :P
also: it's a fake controversy, it's a fake controversy, it's a F-A-K-E controversy. there will still be a christmas in december 2006, despite what the alarmists are predicting and no matter how many copies of john gibson's "omg christmas under attack" book that they manage to sell. btw, check out john gibson's book "omg christmas under attack." did i mention john gibson of FoxNews is peddling some book he wrote about "omg christmas under attack" for the low price of 25 dollars?
Leeson
11-24-2005, 07:46 AM
Now I'm not religious in any way or a racist either... but like it or not both the UK and the USA have always been Christian countrys and lately thanks to political correctness nearly all celebrations and traditions that came from Christian and Pagan and possibly others like christmas are being forced out because they offend the other religions.... did they before??? why didnt they say anything???
Now I'm not religious... infact I hate all religions as all they ever cause is arguments, hatred, bloodshed and war.... but I am against all of this.
The church bells in a town here has been banned from ringing because it offends the Muslim community however every morning you can hear them screaming as per their religion.... I dont know what it means or why they do it but I moved from there because it was irritating me scince I worked late and that was my bed time, I did complain however I just got called a racist for doing so (not kidding!!!).... and this is the problem they can get away with it because they can scream racism being the minority, but we cant because it just isn't seen as racism the other way around, but if one religion isn't allowed to make a noise so early then another shouldn't be able to make one even louder and earlier!!!.... aren't we supposed to be into equal rights after all... stop one, stop them all!!!! isn't that more equal???
This is either going to have to stop soon or the whole thing is just going to get even more stupid until we have another BIG religious war.... We are christian countrys and have been for a long, long time, if they wanted a country of their religion they should have stayed in their own countrys not come to ours and try to change them, ... I mean what the hell is going on... other religions have been here for decades and its only just started..... are the terroist attacks a diversion for them to convert our countrys???? it seems that the longer this war on terror happens the more we seem to give the people of their religion living here so they keep quiet, soon the only allowed religion will be Muslim!!!!
3RA1N1AC
11-24-2005, 09:04 AM
Now I'm not religious in any way or a racist either... but like it or not both the UK and the USA have always been Christian countrys
wrong. england is a christian country, the u.s.a. is a country in which the majority population happens to be christian.
Rat Faced
11-24-2005, 09:19 AM
On the Intranet at work, they celebtrate every important day of every religion they come across.
They literally publish an article saying why the day is special, and to which groups of people.
Rather than trying to restrict religious or fun holidays, they try to include the staff in all of them.
To me, that is the way to go..
wrong. england is a christian country, the u.s.a. is a country in which the majority population happens to be christian.
Even the most devout UK Christian (and there arent a lot of them) is an Agnostic compared to some of your lot though. :P
3RA1N1AC
11-24-2005, 09:29 AM
Even the most devout UK Christian (and there arent a lot of them) is an Agnostic compared to some of your lot though. :P
that's the irony of the comparison, isn't it.
Leeson
11-24-2005, 09:50 AM
Now I'm not religious in any way or a racist either... but like it or not both the UK and the USA have always been Christian countrys
wrong. england is a christian country, the u.s.a. is a country in which the majority population happens to be christian.
True, however you could say the same for the UK, both the UK and the USA are multi-cultural, but what I meant was that they are christian country's in that the majority of the populations are christian
Even the most devout UK Christian (and there arent a lot of them) is an Agnostic compared to some of your lot though. :P
Sounds like we ought to do it your way, then.:)
Busyman
11-24-2005, 01:29 PM
On the Intranet at work, they celebtrate every important day of every religion they come across.
They literally publish an article saying why the day is special, and to which groups of people.
Rather than trying to restrict religious or fun holidays, they try to include the staff in all of them.
To me, that is the way to go..
wrong. england is a christian country, the u.s.a. is a country in which the majority population happens to be christian.
Even the most devout UK Christian (and there arent a lot of them) is an Agnostic compared to some of your lot though. :P
From my understanding, there will be a large movement away from religion.
This is not surprising. The UK lot on this forum seem to be atheists.
Agrajag
11-24-2005, 04:34 PM
England is a Christian country, if you're an Anglican. It is also constitutionaly sectarian, which is nice.
Rat Faced
11-24-2005, 05:00 PM
The only "Job" I can think of that is constitutionally sectarian, is one you have to be born into anyway.. :rolleyes:
Agrajag
11-24-2005, 05:38 PM
The only "Job" I can think of that is constitutionally sectarian, is one you have to be born into anyway.. :rolleyes:
They aren't allowed to marry "papists" either.
It is the only minority which this is the case for and it is specifically legislated.
Rat Faced
11-24-2005, 08:40 PM
If the case came up, the law would change these days.
We've already seen the interpretations change for Charles and the donkey he married.
Agrajag
11-24-2005, 10:31 PM
If the case came up, the law would change these days.
We've already seen the interpretations change for Charles and the donkey he married.
It's still there but.
Wasn't she married to a "papist" btw. Which makes it a double irony.
Rat Faced
11-24-2005, 10:46 PM
Dunno about his religion...
Ugly, arrogant and rich twat tho... (Bit like his ex really :unsure: )
peat moss
11-25-2005, 02:08 AM
Its a joke no ? Hey I get two days off with pay to spend money I can't afford to enjoy with my little ones waiting for Santa , I say keep Santa he only comes once a year ( Poor basterd ) and it 's once a year my fucking neibour talks to me . :D
MediaSlayer
11-26-2005, 10:22 PM
i only read the first page of this thread but it looks like the usual propaganda to me.
it isn't even interesting
Biggles
11-27-2005, 10:06 AM
Just bought a 2ltr bottle of coke. No polar bears but there is a Santa on both sides. This is clearly a localised US problem.
How will Mr Gibson cope? Degenerate Europe, over-run with Muslims, still have Santas and the US does not? How can this be :blink:
Presumably US shops still play Christmas Carols and have nativity scenes in the window displays though?
Christmas is a joint celebration in which Pagans and Christians and other religions can celebrate new life and new hope without much in the way of dogma. That would be an ecumenical matter then :lol: (one Father Ted fans)
Separate issue
Why do so many presenters on Fox News have dubious books to sell?
Why do so many presenters on Fox News have dubious books to sell?
Because they are so poorly paid (relatively speaking).:P
Biggles
12-05-2005, 10:39 PM
Why do so many presenters on Fox News have dubious books to sell?
Because they are so poorly paid (relatively speaking).:P
I did wonder :lol:
vidcc
12-05-2005, 11:28 PM
sorry for the long quote but I found this interesting
This Season's War Cry: Commercialize Christmas, or Else
By ADAM COHEN
Published: December 4, 2005
Religious conservatives have a cause this holiday season: the commercialization of Christmas. They're for it.
The American Family Association is leading a boycott of Target for not using the words "Merry Christmas" in its advertising. (Target denies it has an anti-Merry-Christmas policy.) The Catholic League boycotted Wal-Mart in part over the way its Web site treated searches for "Christmas." Bill O'Reilly, the Fox anchor who last year started a "Christmas Under Siege" campaign, has a chart on his Web site of stores that use the phrase "Happy Holidays," along with a poll that asks, "Will you shop at stores that do not say 'Merry Christmas'?"
This campaign - which is being hyped on Fox and conservative talk radio - is an odd one. Christmas remains ubiquitous, and with its celebrators in control of the White House, Congress, the Supreme Court and every state supreme court and legislature, it hardly lacks for powerful supporters. There is also something perverse, when Christians are being jailed for discussing the Bible in Saudi Arabia and slaughtered in Sudan, about spending so much energy on stores that sell "holiday trees."
What is less obvious, though, is that Christmas's self-proclaimed defenders are rewriting the holiday's history. They claim that the "traditional" American Christmas is under attack by what John Gibson, another Fox anchor, calls "professional atheists" and "Christian haters." But America has a complicated history with Christmas, going back to the Puritans, who despised it. What the boycotters are doing is not defending America's Christmas traditions, but creating a new version of the holiday that fits a political agenda.
The Puritans considered Christmas un-Christian, and hoped to keep it out of America. They could not find Dec. 25 in the Bible, their sole source of religious guidance, and insisted that the date derived from Saturnalia, the Roman heathens' wintertime celebration. On their first Dec. 25 in the New World, in 1620, the Puritans worked on building projects and ostentatiously ignored the holiday. From 1659 to 1681 Massachusetts went further, making celebrating Christmas "by forbearing of labor, feasting or in any other way" a crime.
The concern that Christmas distracted from religious piety continued even after Puritanism waned. In 1827, an Episcopal bishop lamented that the Devil had stolen Christmas "and converted it into a day of worldly festivity, shooting and swearing." Throughout the 1800's, many religious leaders were still trying to hold the line. As late as 1855, New York newspapers reported that Presbyterian, Baptist and Methodist churches were closed on Dec. 25 because "they do not accept the day as a Holy One." On the eve of the Civil War, Christmas was recognized in just 18 states.
Christmas gained popularity when it was transformed into a domestic celebration, after the publication of Clement Clarke Moore's "Visit from St. Nicholas" and Thomas Nast's Harper's Weekly drawings, which created the image of a white-bearded Santa who gave gifts to children. The new emphasis lessened religious leaders' worries that the holiday would be given over to drinking and swearing, but it introduced another concern: commercialism. By the 1920's, the retail industry had adopted Christmas as its own, sponsoring annual ceremonies to kick off the "Christmas shopping season."
Religious leaders objected strongly. The Christmas that emerged had an inherent tension: merchants tried to make it about buying, while clergymen tried to keep commerce out. A 1931 Times roundup of Christmas sermons reported a common theme: "the suggestion that Christmas could not survive if Christ were thrust into the background by materialism." A 1953 Methodist sermon broadcast on NBC - typical of countless such sermons - lamented that Christmas had become a "profit-seeking period." This ethic found popular expression in "A Charlie Brown Christmas." In the 1965 TV special, Charlie Brown ignores Lucy's advice to "get the biggest aluminum tree you can find" and her assertion that Christmas is "a big commercial racket," and finds a more spiritual way to observe the day.
This year's Christmas "defenders" are not just tolerating commercialization - they're insisting on it. They are also rewriting Christmas history on another key point: non-Christians' objection to having the holiday forced on them.
The campaign's leaders insist this is a new phenomenon - a "liberal plot," in Mr. Gibson's words. But as early as 1906, the Committee on Elementary Schools in New York City urged that Christmas hymns be banned from the classroom, after a boycott by more than 20,000 Jewish students. In 1946, the Rabbinical Assembly of America declared that calling on Jewish children to sing Christmas carols was "an infringement on their rights as Americans."
Other non-Christians have long expressed similar concerns. For decades, companies have replaced "Christmas parties" with "holiday parties," schools have adopted "winter breaks" instead of "Christmas breaks," and TV stations and stores have used phrases like "Happy Holidays" and "Season's Greetings" out of respect for the nation's religious diversity.
The Christmas that Mr. O'Reilly and his allies are promoting - one closely aligned with retailers, with a smack-down attitude toward nonobservers - fits with their campaign to make America more like a theocracy, with Christian displays on public property and Christian prayer in public schools.
It does not, however, appear to be catching on with the public. That may be because most Americans do not recognize this commercialized, mean-spirited Christmas as their own. Of course, it's not even clear the campaign's leaders really believe in it. Just a few days ago, Fox News's online store was promoting its "Holiday Collection" for shoppers. Among the items offered to put under a "holiday tree" was "The O'Reilly Factor Holiday Ornament." After bloggers pointed this out, Fox changed the "holidays" to "Christmases."
Filliz
12-05-2005, 11:33 PM
Sad bunch of people.
Busyman
12-05-2005, 11:36 PM
sorry for the long quote but I found this interesting
This Season's War Cry: Commercialize Christmas, or Else
By ADAM COHEN
Published: December 4, 2005
Religious conservatives have a cause this holiday season: the commercialization of Christmas. They're for it.
The American Family Association is leading a boycott of Target for not using the words "Merry Christmas" in its advertising. (Target denies it has an anti-Merry-Christmas policy.) The Catholic League boycotted Wal-Mart in part over the way its Web site treated searches for "Christmas." Bill O'Reilly, the Fox anchor who last year started a "Christmas Under Siege" campaign, has a chart on his Web site of stores that use the phrase "Happy Holidays," along with a poll that asks, "Will you shop at stores that do not say 'Merry Christmas'?"
This campaign - which is being hyped on Fox and conservative talk radio - is an odd one. Christmas remains ubiquitous, and with its celebrators in control of the White House, Congress, the Supreme Court and every state supreme court and legislature, it hardly lacks for powerful supporters. There is also something perverse, when Christians are being jailed for discussing the Bible in Saudi Arabia and slaughtered in Sudan, about spending so much energy on stores that sell "holiday trees."
What is less obvious, though, is that Christmas's self-proclaimed defenders are rewriting the holiday's history. They claim that the "traditional" American Christmas is under attack by what John Gibson, another Fox anchor, calls "professional atheists" and "Christian haters." But America has a complicated history with Christmas, going back to the Puritans, who despised it. What the boycotters are doing is not defending America's Christmas traditions, but creating a new version of the holiday that fits a political agenda.
The Puritans considered Christmas un-Christian, and hoped to keep it out of America. They could not find Dec. 25 in the Bible, their sole source of religious guidance, and insisted that the date derived from Saturnalia, the Roman heathens' wintertime celebration. On their first Dec. 25 in the New World, in 1620, the Puritans worked on building projects and ostentatiously ignored the holiday. From 1659 to 1681 Massachusetts went further, making celebrating Christmas "by forbearing of labor, feasting or in any other way" a crime.
The concern that Christmas distracted from religious piety continued even after Puritanism waned. In 1827, an Episcopal bishop lamented that the Devil had stolen Christmas "and converted it into a day of worldly festivity, shooting and swearing." Throughout the 1800's, many religious leaders were still trying to hold the line. As late as 1855, New York newspapers reported that Presbyterian, Baptist and Methodist churches were closed on Dec. 25 because "they do not accept the day as a Holy One." On the eve of the Civil War, Christmas was recognized in just 18 states.
Christmas gained popularity when it was transformed into a domestic celebration, after the publication of Clement Clarke Moore's "Visit from St. Nicholas" and Thomas Nast's Harper's Weekly drawings, which created the image of a white-bearded Santa who gave gifts to children. The new emphasis lessened religious leaders' worries that the holiday would be given over to drinking and swearing, but it introduced another concern: commercialism. By the 1920's, the retail industry had adopted Christmas as its own, sponsoring annual ceremonies to kick off the "Christmas shopping season."
Religious leaders objected strongly. The Christmas that emerged had an inherent tension: merchants tried to make it about buying, while clergymen tried to keep commerce out. A 1931 Times roundup of Christmas sermons reported a common theme: "the suggestion that Christmas could not survive if Christ were thrust into the background by materialism." A 1953 Methodist sermon broadcast on NBC - typical of countless such sermons - lamented that Christmas had become a "profit-seeking period." This ethic found popular expression in "A Charlie Brown Christmas." In the 1965 TV special, Charlie Brown ignores Lucy's advice to "get the biggest aluminum tree you can find" and her assertion that Christmas is "a big commercial racket," and finds a more spiritual way to observe the day.
This year's Christmas "defenders" are not just tolerating commercialization - they're insisting on it. They are also rewriting Christmas history on another key point: non-Christians' objection to having the holiday forced on them.
The campaign's leaders insist this is a new phenomenon - a "liberal plot," in Mr. Gibson's words. But as early as 1906, the Committee on Elementary Schools in New York City urged that Christmas hymns be banned from the classroom, after a boycott by more than 20,000 Jewish students. In 1946, the Rabbinical Assembly of America declared that calling on Jewish children to sing Christmas carols was "an infringement on their rights as Americans."
Other non-Christians have long expressed similar concerns. For decades, companies have replaced "Christmas parties" with "holiday parties," schools have adopted "winter breaks" instead of "Christmas breaks," and TV stations and stores have used phrases like "Happy Holidays" and "Season's Greetings" out of respect for the nation's religious diversity.
The Christmas that Mr. O'Reilly and his allies are promoting - one closely aligned with retailers, with a smack-down attitude toward nonobservers - fits with their campaign to make America more like a theocracy, with Christian displays on public property and Christian prayer in public schools.
It does not, however, appear to be catching on with the public. That may be because most Americans do not recognize this commercialized, mean-spirited Christmas as their own. Of course, it's not even clear the campaign's leaders really believe in it. Just a few days ago, Fox News's online store was promoting its "Holiday Collection" for shoppers. Among the items offered to put under a "holiday tree" was "The O'Reilly Factor Holiday Ornament." After bloggers pointed this out, Fox changed the "holidays" to "Christmases."
I've known most of this for decades. Good post vid.;)
Most of these defenders of Christmas probably don't even mention Jesus on that day and should STFU!!!:angry:
I only celebrate it 'cause of my gf and child. My mother and gf always ask what do I want and I say, "nothing but peace".
3RA1N1AC
12-06-2005, 06:44 PM
I wonder if Gibson would mind if dear old Santa were merely relegated to the caffeine-free diet can? :huh:
gibson might complain that the conspiracy is trying to ruin christmas by depriving santa of the delicious sugar and caffeine that helps him maintain his voluptuous ursine figure? :P
I wonder if Gibson would mind if dear old Santa were merely relegated to the caffeine-free diet can? :huh:
gibson might complain that the conspiracy is trying to ruin christmas by depriving santa of the delicious sugar and caffeine that helps him maintain his voluptuous ursine figure? :P
Actually, that's all lost on me; I prefer Pepsi.
3RA1N1AC
12-07-2005, 09:30 AM
http://www.blabworld.com/devildesign/card6.jpg (http://www.rotten.com/library/occult/deviltry/krampus/)
WHY ISN'T THIS GUY (http://www.rotten.com/library/occult/deviltry/krampus/) ON COKE CANS!!
http://www.pernicky.cz/bitmaps/vyrobky02/020917_171714_cert_mikulas_.jpg (http://www.pernicky.cz/mikulas.html)
he's part of christmas. :chris: :devil: :chris:
http://www.blabworld.com/devildesign/card6.jpg (http://www.rotten.com/library/occult/deviltry/krampus/)
WHY ISN'T THIS GUY (http://www.rotten.com/library/occult/deviltry/krampus/) ON COKE CANS!!
http://www.pernicky.cz/bitmaps/vyrobky02/020917_171714_cert_mikulas_.jpg (http://www.pernicky.cz/mikulas.html)
he's part of christmas. :chris: :devil: :chris:
While he has a relatively high "Q" rating, he's just not that popular; neither is there any seasonal aspect to his presence in our lives.
MagicNakor
12-07-2005, 03:21 PM
Last time I was in the store (which was before this was posted, admittedly), Santa was on the Coke packaging...
I've to go again this morning, and since I can't make a Long Island without cola, I'll report on Santa's whereabouts. ;)
I did, however, nick his cap.
:shuriken:
3RA1N1AC
12-07-2005, 08:31 PM
While he has a relatively high "Q" rating, he's just not that popular
the chicken or the egg.
he's not on coke cans because he isn't popular?
or
he isn't popular because he's not on coke cans?
i mean. take santa off the coke cans and his popularity's prolly going to take a dive, too. coke cans are very important to upholding our seasonal traditions, i heard something to this effect on foxnews.
...i heard something to this effect on foxnews.
Surely not! :O
Biggles
12-07-2005, 11:08 PM
I believe President Bush has fallen foul of the "Holiday Syndrome" and can expect a call from Mr Gibson.
Apparently the Whitehouse Christmas Card neglects to say the word Christmas and opts for the word Holiday instead. This has bent a number of people out of shape it would seem.
Although not a Bush fan I would have some sympathy with him if he said "there is no pleasing some people" :)
I believe President Bush has fallen foul of the "Holiday Syndrome" and can expect a call from Mr Gibson
Although not a Bush fan I would have some sympathy with him...
Surely not! :O
danboy4u
12-12-2005, 08:57 AM
crazy stuff happening...
Barbarossa
12-12-2005, 01:29 PM
You'd be better off complaining about what's IN a can of coke, not what's printed on the outside :huh:
Anyway, Back to dear old Santa, an old man with a thick bushy beard, who sneaks into childrens bedrooms in the middle of the night, and gives them sweets and prezzies....
Does this sound right to you? :paedo:
You'd be better off complaining about what's IN a can of coke, not what's printed on the outside :huh:
Anyway, Back to dear old Santa, an old man with a thick bushy beard, who sneaks into childrens bedrooms in the middle of the night, and gives them sweets and prezzies....
Does this sound right to you? :paedo:
Too true.
Had a buddy lose a really nice custom paint-job to a bunch of Coca Cola wielding idiots at his wedding reception.
Ruined his honeymoon.:huh:
vidcc
12-13-2005, 12:53 AM
probably not a good link for people without broadband (http://streaming.americanprogress.org/ThinkProgress/2005/sederchristmas.320.240.mov.html) but this was on CNN. The most sane thing i have seen so far in the news about this "war on christmas" myth
Busyman
12-13-2005, 01:10 AM
probably not a good link for people without broadband (http://streaming.americanprogress.org/ThinkProgress/2005/sederchristmas.320.240.mov.html) but this was on CNN. The most sane thing i have seen so far in the news about this "war on christmas" myth
What kills me is that Bob mentioned Christians and Christmas in the same sentence yet I don't a thing about religion at Christmas time.
Bob mentioned "spending billions of dollars" though.:dry:
If you ain't talkin' about Jesus with Christmas, shut the hell up.
People who don't even religiously celebrate Christmas are talkin' shit about an attack on their religion. Wtf!!??
vidcc
12-13-2005, 01:14 AM
SEDER: Listen, as far as the war on Christmas goes, I feel like we should be waging a war on Christmas. I mean, I believe that Christmas, it’s almost proven that Christmas has nuclear weapons, can be an imminent threat to this country, that they have operative ties with terrorists and I believe that we should sacrifice thousands of American lives in pursuit of this war on Christmas. And hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money.
PHILLIPS: Is it a war on Christmas, a war on Christians, a war on over-political correctness or just a lot of people with way too much time on their hands?
SEDER: I would say probably, if I was to be serious about it, too much time on their hands, but I’d like to get back to the operational ties between Santa Claus and al Qaeda.
PHILLIPS: I don’t think that exists. Bob? Help me out here.
SEDER: We have intelligence, we have intelligence.
PHILLIPS: You have intel. Where exactly does your intel come from?
SEDER: Well, we have tortured an elf and it’s actually how we got the same information from Al Libbi. It’s exactly the same way the Bush administration got this info about the operational ties between al Qaeda and Saddam....:lol:
In the UK, the Red Cross has decided that their offices can't have items which celebrate Christmas. Perhaps they should remove the word Cross from their name.
3RA1N1AC
12-13-2005, 04:29 AM
santa has a posse. (http://maupi.textamerica.com/?r=3767843) at least in the netherlands, he does. and i mean "posse" in the most urbandictionary.com (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=posse) sort of way.
3RA1N1AC
12-14-2005, 08:13 AM
christmas rallies back against the grinches with a full month of christmas-themed television. (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:QvybkJhHI4MJ:www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/television/article/0,1375,VCS_234_4286088,00.html+santa+christmas&hl=en)
HeavyMetalParkingLot
12-18-2005, 08:23 PM
http://www.holylemon.com/NightBeforeXmas.html
3RA1N1AC
12-19-2005, 12:03 AM
why is larry the cable guy so unfunny?
Rip The Jacker
12-19-2005, 12:10 AM
http://www.holylemon.com/NightBeforeXmas.html
That was great. :lol:
Busyman
12-19-2005, 01:42 AM
http://www.holylemon.com/NightBeforeXmas.html
:lol: :lol: Hilarious!!!
vidcc
12-20-2005, 01:17 AM
Bill O'riely's head must explode when he sees the "Happy Honda Days" adverts
bhatti00
12-20-2005, 11:32 AM
the christmas spirit is dead
the christmas spirit is deadOf course.
If he was alive he would hardly be a spirit, would he. :shifty:
IsFeasachMe
12-20-2005, 02:33 PM
I honestly wonder if Coca-Cola Corp did real market research before making this decision.
Every time I hear about some poll or news report where "people" found something offensive, I find myself wondering WHO... WHO are these people and who did they complain to? Did they lodge some sort of mass write-in?
Personally, I think this knee jerk reaction is out of fear of the press. Complainers go to Coke. If they do nothing, complainers go to the press, who launch some type A investigative consumer advocasy reporter puke into a self-righteous tie-raid on coke for ignoring the cries of a minority group so he can get his pancake makeuped face on more bilboards in Poughkeepsie.
ITS A CAN OF GODDAMN COKE!
If you're secure in your beliefs, then you don't give a shit what is printed on your can of coke. People who get offended by Christmas because it has "Christ" in it can just get bent. Where do you stop? Better drop "Goodbye" from your vocabulary, too. That's a corruption of "God be with ye"
Christmas is about evergreen trees, decorations and lights. It's about the Grinch and Charlie Brown. It's about the only time of year where yard art is acceptable and long slow drives where you admire your neighbors handiwork. Its about buying gifts for those you love and getting things you've always wanted. It's about snow, time off school, egg nog and the smell of cedar logs in a fireplace. It's about stockings and chocolate and so much torn wrapping paper on the floor you can't see carpet - in short - it is about family traditions.
If your traditions involve a the birth of some guy who gets nailed to a chunk of wood, fine. If it's not, fine. Instead of pressuring companies to accommodate your beliefs, why don't you just fucking relax and pour your norman rockwell santa can of coke into a label free, belief free wax paper cup.
3RA1N1AC
12-20-2005, 05:50 PM
I honestly wonder if Coca-Cola Corp did real market research before making this decision.
Every time I hear about some poll or news report where "people" found something offensive, I find myself wondering WHO... WHO are these people and who did they complain to? Did they lodge some sort of mass write-in?
yeah yeah more blah blah. it doesn't say who had santa forcefully ejected, does it. this thread started with a misleading title based on the article's "maybe"s "perhaps"es and "i suspect"s because the dude who wrote it is just trying to drum up a phony controversy and sell his book based on the hypothesis that the grinches are out to destroy christmas. the only phone call mentioned in that article is the one the writer made, demanding to know why santa wasn't on the coke cans. yes, even though you should always trust everything the media says, especially what foxnews says, 'cause they obviously can't say something if it isn't true... this is actually a case of some guys pointing a disapproving finger at private companies & going "how dare you not honor my holiday specifically, by name?!?! christmas!! the holiday that lasts from november 1st to december 26th. what's up with this 'happy holidays' nonsense? there are other holidays? I AM A BIG FAT INSECURE CRYBABY, GIVE ME A PACIFIER." it's so disingenuous, too, like that southern cable guy comedian who decided he could make an ass-load of money by picking an audience and saying what he thinks it wants to hear. that guy isn't even from the south, and he's not really a cable installer.
Busyman
12-20-2005, 05:54 PM
I honestly wonder if Coca-Cola Corp did real market research before making this decision.
Every time I hear about some poll or news report where "people" found something offensive, I find myself wondering WHO... WHO are these people and who did they complain to? Did they lodge some sort of mass write-in?
yeah yeah more blah blah. it doesn't say who had santa forcefully ejected, does it. this thread started with a misleading title based on the article's "maybe"s "perhaps"es and "i suspect"s because the dude who wrote it is just trying to drum up a phony controversy and sell his book based on the hypothesis that the grinches are out to destroy christmas. the only phone call mentioned in that article is the one the writer made, demanding to know why santa wasn't on the coke cans. yes, even though you should always trust everything the media says, especially what foxnews says, 'cause they obviously can't say something if it isn't true... this is actually a case of some guys pointing a disapproving finger at private companies & going "how dare you not honor my holiday specifically, by name?!?! christmas!! the holiday that lasts from november 1st to december 26th. what's up with this 'happy holidays' nonsense? there are other holidays? I AM A BIG FAT INSECURE CRYBABY, GIVE ME A PACIFIER." it's so disingenuous, too, like that southern cable guy comedian who decided he could make an ass-load of money by picking an audience and saying what he thinks it wants to hear. that guy isn't even from the south, and he's not really a cable installer.
:O GTFOOH!!!:O
3RA1N1AC
12-20-2005, 05:58 PM
just walk away. give me the tree, the coke cans, the gasoline, the entire month of december, and there will be an end to the christmas wars. just walk away.
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/1262/roadwarrior90kc.jpg
anyway yeah. i like santa okay. he's a pretty cool dude. i enjoyed it, when he and pia zadora conquered the martians. this "omg christmas under attack" thing is just insidious though. diabolical, even. it seems like it's trying to appeal to a very selfish way of thinking: "me me me, my holiday, my month, it's just for me and nobody else. there's a distinct lack of santa in this wal-mart and that offends me."
tracydani
12-21-2005, 04:59 AM
Dude better put on a jacket....It's snowing in the desert.
peat moss
12-21-2005, 08:40 AM
the christmas spirit is dead
Ah its what we make of it ! Know whats strange tho I did n't see my youngest in the choir this year at school . While reading this thread asked the wife ,hey honey how come there was no xmas concert this year ? :huh:
Thought they canceled it but no just the little guys sing in school now or you have to join the choir ,but they don't sing the Christain songs I grew up with . Thats sad really no Oh Christmas tree or Silent Night , whats a Dad to do . :cry:
You know I wondered why a lot of our friends home school their children ....... but alas thats another topic to digest but I like the idea of a new Mac computer and home schooled values . Call me silly !
MagicNakor
12-21-2005, 11:24 AM
How is "O Christmas Tree" a Christian song?
:shuriken:
peat moss
12-21-2005, 03:12 PM
How is "O Christmas Tree" a Christian song?
:shuriken:
Good point I meant all the songs I sang as a child no longer seem to be allowed anymore, any reference to Christmas is frowned apon . Example is O' Holiday Tree . :huh: I'v heard that version too but I think you get my meaning ?
Busyman
12-21-2005, 03:39 PM
How is "O Christmas Tree" a Christian song?
:shuriken:
:ermm:
How is "O Christmas Tree" a Christian song?
:shuriken:
:ermm:
How'd you manage to refrain from giving MN the captainobvious business? :O
MagicNakor
12-21-2005, 10:50 PM
I was thinking more that worshiping idols (such as decorated trees) was generally frowned upon by Christians. ;)
As an aside, when I sang it as a kid, it was widely entitled "O Tannenbaum" and any reference to "Christmas tree" was, in fact, "Tannenbaum."
Edit: It could very well be that Busy's still reeling from the pink-spandex wonder that he so oft references.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~joe14580/captain%20obvious.jpg
:shuriken:
peat moss
12-23-2005, 04:51 AM
Merry "Christmas " everyone , got this in an email today thought it was funny , Not for little ears and hopefuly doesn't offend anyone .
http://www.illwillpress.com/xmas.html
peat moss
12-23-2005, 05:07 AM
I was thinking more that worshiping idols (such as decorated trees) was generally frowned upon by Christians. ;)
As an aside, when I sang it as a kid, it was widely entitled "O Tannenbaum" and any reference to "Christmas tree" was, in fact, "Tannenbaum."
Edit: It could very well be that Busy's still reeling from the pink-spandex wonder that he so oft references.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~joe14580/captain%20obvious.jpg
:shuriken:
Hey wait a minuet was it not the bloody Germans that first started decorating the xmas trees ? :O
Ah my wife's German little ones half but have heard that before the tree decorating part !
vidcc
12-24-2005, 03:13 PM
http://www.eleventh-avenue-south.com/archives/actionholiday.jpg
http://www.eleventh-avenue-south.com/archives/actionja.jpg
hobbes
12-24-2005, 04:39 PM
yeah yeah more blah blah. it doesn't say who had santa forcefully ejected, does it. this thread started with a misleading title based on the article's "maybe"s "perhaps"es and "i suspect"s because the dude who wrote it is just trying to drum up a phony controversy and sell his book based on the hypothesis that the grinches are out to destroy christmas. the only phone call mentioned in that article is the one the writer made, demanding to know why santa wasn't on the coke cans. yes, even though you should always trust everything the media says, especially what foxnews says, 'cause they obviously can't say something if it isn't true... this is actually a case of some guys pointing a disapproving finger at private companies & going "how dare you not honor my holiday specifically, by name?!?! christmas!! the holiday that lasts from november 1st to december 26th. what's up with this 'happy holidays' nonsense? there are other holidays? I AM A BIG FAT INSECURE CRYBABY, GIVE ME A PACIFIER." it's so disingenuous, too, like that southern cable guy comedian who decided he could make an ass-load of money by picking an audience and saying what he thinks it wants to hear. that guy isn't even from the south, and he's not really a cable installer.
Wow Brainiac,
These word bricks you compose would make great stocking stuffers for all the bad boys and girls, less messy than coal.
Did you perhaps post this from a padded cell? I would have loved to watch you compose this rant via webcam. Spittle going everywhere, fingers smashing keyboard and all.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Btw, peat moss, you're silly.
Bet you thought you'd got away with that one. :P
3RA1N1AC
12-24-2005, 06:26 PM
Wow Brainiac,
remember how you used to respond to people's arguments by insisting that they were dishonest, compared with your own forthrightness as if your turds don't stink? and how i was never there to interrupt with a comment about your personality? have a very merry shut the fuck up, you honester-than-thou jerkoff.
i typed this response free of malice, madness, or keyboard-mashing.
hobbes
12-24-2005, 06:40 PM
Wow Brainiac,
remember how you used to respond to people's arguments by insisting that they were dishonest, compared with your own forthrightness as if your turds don't stink? and how i was never there to interrupt with a comment about your personality? have a very merry shut the fuck up, you honester-than-thou jerkoff.
Thank you and you have a good one as well.
Geez, I was only playing.
:sadwalk:
3RA1N1AC
12-24-2005, 06:57 PM
aw, it was just a matter of mixed signals! kiss & make up?
hobbes
12-24-2005, 07:17 PM
aw, it was just a matter of mixed signals! kiss & make up?
http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/9527/cokecanbrain6fn.th.gif (http://img429.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cokecanbrain6fn.gif)
Cheers.
3RA1N1AC
12-24-2005, 07:18 PM
merry christmas eve, yo.
HeavyMetalParkingLot
12-24-2005, 07:26 PM
Aww....man love, how nice
Sickening.
From such a bunch of heavy-hitters, too. :P
hobbes
12-24-2005, 07:45 PM
Sickening.
From such a bunch of heavy-hitters, too. :P
Before the post I had just taken the "how gay are you test". I was so shocked at the results I damn near knocked over my Babycham.
That little arrow went from 0 straight up to 100. I just couldn't believe it and I immediately turned off my computer.
Never thought of myself as gay or even had an interest in men, but it is a legitimate interweb test thingey, so it must be valid. Why fight it?
I'd better hit the mall and get some throw pillows and and a leather vest for starters.
Busyman
12-24-2005, 07:58 PM
Sickening.
From such a bunch of heavy-hitters, too. :P
Before the post I had just taken the "how gay are you test". I was so shocked at the results I damn near knocked over my Babycham.
That little arrow went from 0 straight up to 100. I just couldn't believe it and I immediately turned off my computer.
Never thought of myself as gay or even had an interest in men, but it is a legitimate interweb test thingey, so it must be valid. Why fight it?
I'd better hit the mall and get some throw pillows and and a leather vest for starters.
They do that shit on purpose. You should have waited. It goes to 100 then says, "Get Results".:lol: :lol: :lol:
hobbes
12-24-2005, 08:08 PM
Before the post I had just taken the "how gay are you test". I was so shocked at the results I damn near knocked over my Babycham.
That little arrow went from 0 straight up to 100. I just couldn't believe it and I immediately turned off my computer.
Never thought of myself as gay or even had an interest in men, but it is a legitimate interweb test thingey, so it must be valid. Why fight it?
I'd better hit the mall and get some throw pillows and and a leather vest for starters.
They do that shit on purpose. You should have waited. It goes to 100 then says, "Get Results".:lol: :lol: :lol:
O' RLY :O
Here I thought I'd gone all gay and it turns out I was just being imaptient.:ermm:
JPaul
12-24-2005, 08:13 PM
Sickening.
From such a bunch of heavy-hitters, too. :P
Before the post I had just taken the "how gay are you test". I was so shocked at the results I damn near knocked over my Babycham.
That little arrow went from 0 straight up to 100. I just couldn't believe it and I immediately turned off my computer.
Never thought of myself as gay or even had an interest in men, but it is a legitimate interweb test thingey, so it must be valid. Why fight it?
I'd better hit the mall and get some throw pillows and and a leather vest for starters.
Ask yourself this, "have I ever watched the Oscars on television".
That's the acid test apparentement.
Before the post I had just taken the "how gay are you test". I was so shocked at the results I damn near knocked over my Babycham.
That little arrow went from 0 straight up to 100. I just couldn't believe it and I immediately turned off my computer.
Never thought of myself as gay or even had an interest in men, but it is a legitimate interweb test thingey, so it must be valid. Why fight it?
I'd better hit the mall and get some throw pillows and and a leather vest for starters.
Ask yourself this, "have I ever watched the Oscars on television".
That's the acid test apparentement.
Indeed.
I have heard from friends of my sister (who work in the biz and on the broadcast) that they can look back into the sitting rooms of those who view the show; the word is that all those who are watching take on a marked resemblance (albeit only for the duration of the show) to Richard Simmons.
This has never been publicized, apparently. :huh:
JPaul
12-24-2005, 09:39 PM
This has never been publicized, apparently. :huh:
Thank heavens for Chris Rock, opening up the debate on this particular aspect of homosexualizing.
Busyman
12-24-2005, 09:43 PM
Indeed.
I have heard from friends of my sister (who work in the biz and on the broadcast) that they can look back into the sitting rooms of those who view the show; the word is that all those who are watching take on a marked resemblance (albeit only for the duration of the show) to Richard Simmons.
This has never been publicized, apparently. :huh:
I don't think any average joe sits and watches the entire Oscars.
It's one of those things that you maybe glance back at while channel surfing. One may try to time it for the category (or movie) they like or something.
JPaul
12-24-2005, 09:59 PM
Indeed.
I have heard from friends of my sister (who work in the biz and on the broadcast) that they can look back into the sitting rooms of those who view the show; the word is that all those who are watching take on a marked resemblance (albeit only for the duration of the show) to Richard Simmons.
This has never been publicized, apparently. :huh:
I don't think any average joe sits and watches the entire Oscars.
It's one of those things that you maybe glance back at while channel surfing. One may try to time it for the category (or movie) they like or something.
So you do watch it then.
Busyman
12-24-2005, 10:10 PM
I don't think any average joe sits and watches the entire Oscars.
It's one of those things that you maybe glance back at while channel surfing. One may try to time it for the category (or movie) they like or something.
So you do watch it then.
What gave you that impression? You gotta learn to read better.
The statements, "I watch the Oscars", "I watch it ocassionally" or "I watch some of it" could have helped back-up your statement.
Better luck next time.
JPaul
12-24-2005, 10:16 PM
So you do watch it then.
What gave you that impression? You gotta learn to read better.
The statements, "I watch the Oscars", "I watch it ocassionally" or "I watch some of it" could have helped back-up your statement.
Better luck next time.
So you don't watch it then.
peat moss
12-25-2005, 12:47 AM
[QUOTE=lynx]Btw, peat moss, you're silly.
Bet you thought you'd got away with that one. :P[/QUOT
No you got me ! But what one thinks is funny ....... . And was not my intention at all .
I guess I'm still learning what I can get away with it . :lol: Certain things mean a lot to me the rest I'll figure out ! Hope you have room for me ?
Busyman
12-25-2005, 03:15 AM
What gave you that impression? You gotta learn to read better.
The statements, "I watch the Oscars", "I watch it ocassionally" or "I watch some of it" could have helped back-up your statement.
Better luck next time.
So you don't watch it then.
:lol: :lol:
What gave you that impression? You gotta learn to read better.
The statements, "I don't watch....................
wellsy18
01-11-2006, 01:10 AM
what is our world coming to ? ...so non christians dont buy xmas pressies then ??????
Barbarossa
01-11-2006, 09:35 AM
what is our world coming to ? ...so non christians dont buy xmas pressies then ??????
No.
Well, some do, some don't. Don't worry, the same is true of Christians... :blink:
You do know that Santa Claus isn't real, don't you? :dabs:
Spoiler Above.
3RA1N1AC
01-11-2006, 03:44 PM
santa's safe for now, 'cause he can't be removed from his igloo at the NORTH POLE. but it's already january: just about time to rev up the boycotts in defense of the easter bunny and jack o'lantern.
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