build help

[Seedler]

I'm putting together the parts I just bought, and now that I have the case open the mobo screwed onto the case, I cant find out what the risers do... I know they're supposed to keep the mobo from touch the case, but I can't find a place to install them! Do they go on top of your mobo just like the screws? or do they go somewhere else?:wacko:

[suprafreak6]

i thought they go into the case and then the mobo sits on top of em but thats what i thought and then you screw more screws onto the risers

[Virtualbody1234]

Stop what you're doing right now!

Don't go any further until you have a full understanding of all the parts involved.

The risers are supposed to go between the case and the motherboard.

Whatever you do, don't power on the system until you are completely sure it's done right. Take your time and don't be afraid to ask any questions.

[Seedler]

dammit i got plastic risers and I can't find the screws on the risers, help me out clocker! u own a comp store dammit. Where the hell do they go???!!! If u need a pic just say the word

[Virtualbody1234]

Install them similar to this:

http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/aopen_hx45/14.jpg

Put each standoff under each screw point. Be sure to not put any where there aren't screws.

[Seedler]

Stop what you're doing right now!

Don't go any further until you have a full understanding of all the parts involved.

The risers are supposed to go between the case and the motherboard.

Whatever you do, don't power on the system until you are completely sure it's done right. Take your time and don't be afraid to ask any questions.

aight thx, here are some pics of my case and mobo. The white plastic things are the risers.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/terryjia/DSC02669.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/terryjia/DSC02670.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/terryjia/DSC02671.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/terryjia/DSC02672.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/terryjia/DSC02673.jpg

thx in advance for any help

[Seedler]

Install them similar to this:

http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/aopen_hx45/14.jpg

Put each standoff under each screw point. Be sure to not put any where there aren't screws.

so the risers go in between the mobo and case? Then the screws go on TOP of the risers? But i got plastic risers and I can't fit my mobo on top of the risers...wtf omg:cry:

[suprafreak6]

lol man i know what im doing but i dont know how to describe it
mine are metal so its much easier

[Seedler]

lol man i know what im doing but i dont know how to describe it
mine are metal so its much easier

metal risers... I got plastic ones... I knew I shud hav gotten a more expansive case!! mine was like $28 buck CAD

[Virtualbody1234]

Screw the plastic risers into the case at each support point and then the mobo snaps onto the plastic pins.

But I would try to get brass standoffs instead.


Btw. It's easier to install the CPU before installing the mobo.

[tesco]

The short/skinny ends on those risers go into the holes on teh case, the fat and long ends go through teh holes on your motherboard and hold the mobo on themselves wihtout screws.
These are the brass risers: http://www.fortune3.com/~comp77123/51610116.jpg
The riser screws into the case holes and then the mobo sits on top of them, and screws go through the mobo into those brass risers.

When I first put my computer together I didn't know about those things and ended up shorting the board. :frusty: The guy where I bought the board were nice enough to give me a new board free tho. :)

[Seedler]

Thx for replies, and I got the mobo into the case (yay!).

Now I'm installing the cpu, and i was just wondering, should i just go with the thin layer of factory applied thermal paste or should i buy my own brand-name thermal paste for my cpu fan? I use a socket 939 3200+ venice core, and the heatsink came with the cpu.

[clocker]

Thx for replies, and I got the mobo into the case (yay!).

Now I'm installing the cpu, and i was just wondering, should i just go with the thin layer of factory applied thermal paste or should i buy my own brand-name thermal paste for my cpu fan? I use a socket 939 3200+ venice core, and the heatsink came with the cpu.
If you're using the factory HSF just go ahead and install using the pre-applied TIM.

[suprafreak6]

omg i heart this seedler fella, hes like me but in another country, go ahead and ask more questions fella it will be good for me because i was going to ask that anyway
ps those are the same risers i got

[tesco]

Thx for replies, and I got the mobo into the case (yay!).

Now I'm installing the cpu, and i was just wondering, should i just go with the thin layer of factory applied thermal paste or should i buy my own brand-name thermal paste for my cpu fan? I use a socket 939 3200+ venice core, and the heatsink came with the cpu.
Like VB1234 said before it's a lot easier to install the CPU and heatsink if the mobo is out of the case...

[clocker]

Well if you want to get technical...
You should have installed the CPU, RAM and vid card and posted the board outside the case.

To kinda see if it worked, like, before it went into the case.
But we're past that now.

[Seedler]

Well if you want to get technical...
You should have installed the CPU, RAM and vid card and posted the board outside the case.

To kinda see if it worked, like, before it went into the case.
But we're past that now.

Yah I had a bit of trouble getting the x800GTO into the PCI-e slot cuz of the crammed space. Now i just have to shop for a better power supply and a new case fan.

Btw, i only found 5 mobo risers, and I fixed them 4 onto the corners of the mobo, and one in the middle out of 9 possible spots to fit mobo risers. Do i really need a riser in each of the 9 mobo risers? The mobo seems perty steady right now

[lynx]

Do i really need a riser in each of the 9 mobo risers? The mobo seems perty steady right nowTo be blunt, YES. The mobo makers didn't put 9 holes there for the fun of it. Crack the traces on the board and it is worthless, and that's what will happen if there isn't enough support.

[suprafreak6]

haha well i hope people support me this much when im building my computer parts are almost here come friday

[silent h3ro]

A little off topic but wow, you guys are very helpful. Hopefully u guys can help me when I get my new case and mobo for Christmas.

[suprafreak6]

Do i really need a riser in each of the 9 mobo risers? The mobo seems perty steady right nowTo be blunt, YES. The mobo makers didn't put 9 holes there for the fun of it. Crack the traces on the board and it is worthless, and that's what will happen if there isn't enough support.

i like his style of breaking the news to him about the holes not being for fun to look through

[Seedler]

thx much for replies guys, i'll be working on it again tomorrow. Bed bye.

[clocker]

Nighty night.
May dreams of ridiculous FPS and OCs fill your little head.

[suprafreak6]

so hows that computer going?

[clocker]

so hows that computer going?
Ssshhhh.
Isn't he cute when he's sleeping?

[Seedler]

so hows that computer going?
Ssshhhh.
Isn't he cute when he's sleeping?

lol :D

dammit i'm going to wait until the weekend till i can get the parts, thx for all the hlp guys and i'll most likely work on it more over the weekend.

btw, is it okay if i just left the comp case open with all the parts in it? Is dust an issue?

[clocker]

btw, is it okay if i just left the comp case open with all the parts in it? Is dust an issue?
Assuming you don't live in abject filth, you (and your new PC) should be fine.

[suprafreak6]

hey me and you can build it together seedler because my parts are coming tommrow and the day after, do you aim? because we could like work together or something send me a pm if you want to

[clocker]

Stevie?
Stevie Wonder, meet Ray Charles.

[Virtualbody1234]

Dumb and Dumber.

[silent h3ro]

so hows that computer going?
Ssshhhh.
Isn't he cute when he's sleeping?I think clocker has a sleep fetish. :P

[Seedler]

Ssshhhh.
Isn't he cute when he's sleeping?I think clocker has a sleep fetish. :P

lol he does doesnt he:D

[Seedler]

Anyways do I really need a twin 12v rail? My parts don't use THAT much power, and my pic-E video card is a radeon rather than a power-hungry nvidia 6*** card.

If going single 12V rail, I'll go with this:

Superflower 550W TT-550SS
Cost: $54.99
Rails: +3.3V@35A, +5V@50A, +12V@30A
Hold Time: 16ms
Cooling: 1x120mm LED
PFC: No
Mobo: 20pin


If I go twin 12V rail, it's gonna be a bit more expansive:

Enermax 420W EG425P-VE SFMA 2.0
Cost: $76.00
Rails: +3.3V@30A, +5V@30A, +12V1@18A, +12V2@18A
Hold Time: 17ms
Cooling: 2x80mm
PFC: No
Mobo: 20pin

I think these 2 psus should suffice?


btw, how do i know if my mobo is 20 or 24 pin?

[clocker]

I think clocker has a sleep fetish. :P

lol he does doesnt he:D
Clocker will admit to being fond of naps.
Nothing of importance happens between 1-3PM anyway.

btw, how do i know if my mobo is 20 or 24 pin?
Well. let's see...you could look at the board...or RTFM...or see either of Lynx's or my previous posts...NM...I don't know how you can tell.:frusty:
Now.
About the PSU.
You seem strangely attracted to marginal power supplies.
Buy this one and let's move on. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817151022)

You haven't even mentioned what kind of frammistan you are getting, much less the placement of the ion-beam impellors.

There is sooo much more to do....

[Seedler]

You haven't even mentioned what kind of frammistan you are getting, much less the placement of the ion-beam impellors.


:huh: wha?:huh: loln ion-beam impellors you funniz0r

[suprafreak6]

for no reason ive been adding zor to the ending of everything
comon seedler my ram just came in the mail get all your parts together and lets roll

[Seedler]

for no reason ive been adding zor to the ending of everything
comon seedler my ram just came in the mail get all your parts together and lets roll

lol u go right ahead, i have to wait till weekend to get another PSU.

Just don't fry ur parts with static electricity in the meantime. Always use ur finggers to touch something metallic before poking at ur parts.

[clocker]

Just don't fry ur parts with static electricity in the meantime. Always use ur finggers to touch something metallic before poking at ur parts.
I suspect that static electricity will be the least of our problems this weekend.

[suprafreak6]

haha so what does it matter if i ask for help, everyong started off like i did some time ago even you clocker

[clocker]

Oh yes, very true.
No one has a problem offering aid to the needy but you must allow a bit of fun or it gets incredibly boring.
IMO, the sarcasm level here is quite gentle.
Try ProForums if you want to get your hide tanned in a NY minute.

[suprafreak6]

hahahhaha clocker your cool enough to be an ice cube, how old are you anyway. but still ill post in this thread for help

[zapjb]

Learning how to build computers together, awe how nice.
Learning how to RMA together, priceless!:lol:

[clocker]

Learning how to build computers together, awe how nice.
Learning how to RMA together, priceless!:lol:
Now that's just cruel.
Funny, tho.

hahahhaha clocker your cool enough to be an ice cube, how old are you anyway. but still ill post in this thread for help
Of course you will and we're glad of it.

How old must I be to be credible?

[zapjb]

I couldn't resist.:w00t:

[suprafreak6]

hey clocker i got the cpu installed, i got the psu installed, i got the heatsink and fan installed, i got the cd rom, floppy, and harddrive installed. but now
im having what seems like the easiest problem
i cant figure out how to get the io faceplate out because the one thats on my case wont work with my mobo, so i have the one that came with the mobo but i dont know how to install it, any help? if you need pictures or anything let me know

[lynx]

Usually they are completely interchangeable, and the one you don't want simply pushes out.

I can't remember if you said which case you've got, and to be honest I can't be bothered to look back. :zorro:

[suprafreak6]

lol
thanks man ill try again right now with more force,(not like i need it anyway) but this is the case i have for right now, i will upgrade later

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=186336&Sku=ULT31586

[suprafreak6]

so i got that out by pushing the thing, then it flying around in the case, then my hand being scraped. then i installed the mobo with flying colors and now im looking how to install an sata hdd because ive only used an ata, it should take about 10 seconds then i gotta install graphics cards and what not, will update you later

[suprafreak6]

okay so that finding out about the sata didnt work very well, i got everything installed, EXCEPT the harddrive and a fan or two

can anyone answer these questions
what do i need, to install a sata harddrive
i bought a 200gig maxtor sata oem from newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144184) so i have that
can i use this as the main drive? or does there need to be an ide in there somewhere
and last question
How?

[clocker]

okay so that finding out about the sata didnt work very well, i got everything installed, EXCEPT the harddrive and a fan or two

can anyone answer these questions
what do i need, to install a sata harddrive
i bought a 200gig maxtor sata oem from newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144184) so i have that
can i use this as the main drive?\
Of course, isn't that what you bought it for?
or does there need to be an ide in there somewhere
No.
and last question
How?
How what?
The drive installs just as any HDD...coupla screws and you're in.

[suprafreak6]

ok im guessing all i need to pick up is an sata cable
will do today

[Virtualbody1234]

Didn't the mobo come with SATA cables?

[suprafreak6]

yeah haha i found em right after i posted
anyways i got everything installed its all working good, plus no burning smell, thats the best satisfaction

now im trying to boot the mobo driver disk
but for wierd reasons i cant use it, first
the cd rom is being detected as second, i dont know why
(i dont have any jumpers in and it is connected tip to tip on the ide ribbon)
also
the hard drive is not being recogognized, its saying no harddrive, do i need an ide harddrive?

[suprafreak6]

i messed around with some settings and then it recognized it! but it said something about my mobo not supporting some sort of setting, what raid should i put it on i put it on stripping or something i think. helpzor pleasezor

[suprafreak6]

i cant make one sata work, i dont know why. Can someone help?

[clocker]

How many and what type of drive are we talking about here?
Do you want them RAIDed?
If so, what kind?

[suprafreak6]

This mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128306
and this harddrive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144184

i only have one of those harddrives and i want to put xp on it, and i want that to be the only drive in the computer. how do i do so

[clocker]

With the nf4 chipset you shouldn't have to do anything special whilst installing the HDD.
Hook up drive (data/power), install XP disc and boot to it.
Install as normal.

Where this gets confusing is when RAID enters the story.
Windows would not even think of RAIDing on it's own and with only a solo drive I can't figure out where the option is even coming from....

[suprafreak6]

well it wanted to read the drive as a raid drive so i turned that off in the bios, but now in order to install the drivers since it wont read the disc, do i have to use a floppy drive and use the floppy disk drivers?or can i just install it later

[silent h3ro]

I'm surprised clocker never told you to install the SATA drivers for Windows from your floppy.

[clocker]

I'm surprised clocker never told you to install the SATA drivers for Windows from your floppy
.
I'm not.
In theory (and in practise, at least with the DFI and Gigabyte nf4 mobos) a SATA device connected through the nvidia chipset does not require the F6 dance.
If you're board differs, then I suppose you'll have to floppy your way to Nirvana.

[silent h3ro]

I'm surprised clocker never told you to install the SATA drivers for Windows from your floppy
.
I'm not.
In theory (and in practise, at least with the DFI and Gigabyte nf4 mobos) a SATA device connected through the nvidia chipset does not require the F6 dance.
If you're board differs, then I suppose you'll have to floppy your way to Nirvana.Still you should have said so. I have a Gigabyte nf4 board and it required me to install my own drivers.

[suprafreak6]

i dont know i installed a floppy anyway (good for future just in case) and now im making the disc with drivers on it, once i put these drivers on what do i do after? install xp?

[silent h3ro]

Yes install XP, then once ur in the blue screen part, once it is loading the files, it will ask you at the very bottom to press F6 or w/e it is to install the correct drivers (pay attention because I missed that part a few times when I installed my SATA drive).

[suprafreak6]

wait so i only need to put that disc in as im installing xp or no?

[clocker]

You start the install normally (with the XP CD) and press F6 when prompted at the bottom of the screen (keep your eyes open, it comes up fast).

The install will stop after loading some files and ask for your "third party mass storage device drivers" and tell you to install the floppy disk.

Follow the prompts from there.

[suprafreak6]

ok will try soon

[Seedler]

Went shopping yesterday(sat) and bought couple more parts:

Enermax EG-495P-VE SFMA NoiseTaker P Series 485 Watt ATX Power Supply w/ Dual Fan, Smart Fan, P4, SATA $89

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=006322&cid=PS.808

For this PSU, the ratings are as follow:
3.3 V=32A
5 V=32A
12V1=18A
12V2=18A
12Vtotal=32A


LG DVD-+RW dual layer $50

Stealth Case Fan $10

Arctic Sliver 5 thermal paste $10


Questions:
1. I know my PSU is pretty good, but I think it is overkill even if I should be overclocking? Is it too much power?

2. How do I remove the original thermal paste that came with the AMD cpu without scratching the heat sink?

3. Where does the stealth 80mm case fan go? I can't seem to find a tutorial for case fan installation

thanks in advance for replies

[Seedler]

1 more question:

how much thermal paste should I put between the athlon 64 3200+ (sok 939) and the original heatsink that came with it?

[Virtualbody1234]

1. You cannot have too much power.
2. You can leave the stock thermal pad in place. It works fine (large surface area for heat transfer). If you really need to remove the pad then use your fingernail and some acetone.
3. Fan placement varies from one case to the next. You should already know where it goes when you buy it.

Extra question: A very thin layer.

[silent h3ro]

You start the install normally (with the XP CD) and press F6 when prompted at the bottom of the screen (keep your eyes open, it comes up fast).

The install will stop after loading some files and ask for your "third party mass storage device drivers" and tell you to install the floppy disk.

Follow the prompts from there.Thanks for the correction. :dry:

[suprafreak6]

ITS DONE! MY COMPUTER IS COMPLETE!
im sure you dont want pictures but by anychance that you do, holla and i will upload

[clocker]

Of course we want to see pics.

You should be proud.

[suprafreak6]

but i got a few questions on air flow and cooling the pc
should i make a new thread or what?

ill post pics as soon as possible

[suprafreak6]

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4620/s53000183di.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1263/s53000193ad.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9461/s53000221jo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[silent h3ro]

Whoa thats really sexy!

[tesco]

Nice, tidy up the wires. :P

[silent h3ro]

Nice, tidy up the wires. :P You should see my case... :lol: Btw, Nice PSU. :)

[suprafreak6]

any advice on tidying up the wires?
i heard a kid by the name of gam3guy has the same psu LOL

[silent h3ro]

any advice on tidying up the wires?
i heard a kid by the name of gam3guy has the same psu LOL:lol: Yea, he does. :P I really need some advice too. :P

[tesco]

Just hide the wires around thhe edges,, use tie wraps to keep them in certain places.
Move devices around to get best config of wires too so they're easier to hide and not running across the middle of the case.