I Hope Blu-Ray and HD-DVD Fail

[Busyman]

HVD is way better.

Capable of 3.9 TB and 1 Gbits/s transfer rate.

This represents a medium for the future.

Gaming
Hard drive replacement
Removable storage
Back-up storage

Won't be near affordable for awhile though.

Storage media pricing can be fine tuned for multiple markets.

200 GB disc will be released mid-year.

[harrycary]

Interesting.

From what I've read about Holographic Versatile Disc technology, it isn't being pursued by near as many
manufacturers as Blu-ray or HD-DVD. Something key to making new technologies affordable for the masses.

Most likely HVDs will be used in business environments(similar to SCSI drives)
and not by average consumers.

Sadly, for this reason, the cost will be prohibitive for most users.

[Shiranai_Baka]

Interesting.

From what I've read about Holographic Versatile Disc technology, it isn't being pursued by near as many
manufacturers as Blu-ray or HD-DVD. Something key to making new technologies affordable for the masses.

Most likely HVDs will be used in business environments(similar to SCSI drives)
and not by average consumers.

Sadly, for this reason, the cost will be prohibitive for most users.

I had read an article on the HVDs and I think the movie industry uses them to store raw movies. But releasing to the public would take a while.

[Virtualbody1234]

We don't need that much capacity for high definition video right now.

What we need is a low cost format with a capacity of about 25 GBs for now.

My vote goes to Blu-Ray.

[zapjb]

The major manufacturers won't skip a technology they will make billions on. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD first. Milk those. Then HVD.

[Busyman]

The major manufacturers won't skip a technology they will make billions on. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD first. Milk those. Then HVD.
Good point.

[Busyman]

We don't need that much capacity for high definition video right now.

What we need is a low cost format with a capacity of about 25 GBs for now.

My vote goes to Blu-Ray.
Different sized discs would be made.

It's actually better for the consumer 'cause you wouldn't need to change technology.

Tbh, 25 GB is overkill for high def video.

[twisterX]

no. Do u know how much hi def video takes up an hour.

[Busyman]

no. Do u know how much hi def video takes up an hour.
Not exactly no.

I do record alot of hi-def on my TIVO and it isn't even double that of normal res.

So how does one need to go from 4.7 to 25 GB for hi-def?
I mean I do know that the need for compression ould be lessened if not eliminated but that's over 5 times the storage space.

Also different DVD formats can accompany hi-def. However, I don't know the costs involved in the manufacture of multiple layered DVDs.

[Virtualbody1234]

no. Do u know how much hi def video takes up an hour.
Not exactly no.

I do record alot of hi-def on my TIVO and it isn't even double that of normal res.

So how does one need to go from 4.7 to 25 GB for hi-def?
I mean I do know that the need for compression ould be lessened if not eliminated but that's over 5 times the storage space.

Also different DVD formats can accompany hi-def. However, I don't know the costs involved in the manufacture of multiple layered DVDs.
Current non Hi-Def movies use DVD-9 Dual layer media not 4.7 GB. With 4.7 you cannot fit a regular length movie with menus and extras without compression.

High definition DVD will aim to offer 1080 lines of video resolution video compared to the 576/480 lines offered by DVDs today. So 25 GB up from 9 GB is better suited than the 15 GB from HD-DVD.

[Busyman]

Not exactly no.

I do record alot of hi-def on my TIVO and it isn't even double that of normal res.

So how does one need to go from 4.7 to 25 GB for hi-def?
I mean I do know that the need for compression ould be lessened if not eliminated but that's over 5 times the storage space.

Also different DVD formats can accompany hi-def. However, I don't know the costs involved in the manufacture of multiple layered DVDs.
Current non Hi-Def movies use DVD-9 Dual layer media not 4.7 GB. With 4.7 you cannot fit a regular length movie with menus and extras without compression.

High definition DVD will aim to offer 1080 lines of video resolution video compared to the 576/480 lines offered by DVDs today. So 25 GB up from 9 GB is better suited than the 15 GB from HD-DVD.
I know the difference between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, VB. :dabs:
I also know that 4.7 GB can only do a 2 hour movie MPEG-2.

I like Blu-Ray better than HD-DVD.

However, I like HVD better than them all.

A small to large disc could be created for multiple markets and it's just one format.

It feasibly could be THE format for the next 25 years or more.

If folks are expected to migrate from DVDs, which actually had an immensely shorter life span compared to VHS, then this step should at least be VHS life span quality.

DVD hasn't even lasted 10 years.:ermm:

[suprafreak6]

Nothing will be around for as long as vhs was popular because technology is moving at a much faster rate now...

[Busyman]

Nothing will be around for as long as vhs was popular because technology is moving at a much faster rate now...
Exactly my point.

HVD fits the bill.

TV standards aren't going to change in the foreseeable future besides the one that's set to take hold in the next 5 years.

Could a standard in video disc and removable mass storage be edged out in the next 20 years that can store just under 4 TB?

I think not.

I'm also pissed that Blu-Ray was supposed to a recordable format at launch but now it's not.

[Virtualbody1234]

I'm also pissed that Blu-Ray was supposed to a recordable format at launch but now it's not.
What? Where did you get that information?

Blu-Ray will be a recordable format and I think it already is in Japan.


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The only reason I'm against HVD is the costs.

[Busyman]

I'm also pissed that Blu-Ray was supposed to a recordable format at launch but now it's not.
What? Where did you get that information?

Blu-Ray will be a recordable format and I think it already is in Japan.


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The only reason I'm against HVD is the costs.
Oh so Blu-Ray recorders are supposed to be available at launch?

[Virtualbody1234]

What? Where did you get that information?

Blu-Ray will be a recordable format and I think it already is in Japan.


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The only reason I'm against HVD is the costs.
Oh so Blu-Ray recorders are supposed to be available at launch?
Please answer my question. Where did you hear that Blu-Ray recorders wouldn't be available at launch?

[Busyman]

Oh so Blu-Ray recorders are supposed to be available at launch?
Please answer my question. Where did you hear that Blu-Ray recorders wouldn't be available at launch?
It's an assumption I made based on the fact that BD players even exist and based on the late release of DVD recorders.

I have read that Sony plans to have a BD recorder that outputs to 1080p and upconverts DVD to 1080i/p which seems perfect. My next TV will hopefully be 1080p.

However, I am doubtful when they say it will be a summer release. I'll wait and see.

The way I envisioned Blu-Ray is a format that only exists using recorders, much like VHS and that everything is RW.

When I see that there are BD-ROM, R, and RW and that players are coming out then I leads me to believe that recorders won't be an option in the beginning.

[Virtualbody1234]

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions...

[Barbarossa]

Recording is one of those things that is much more important to consumers than manufacturers realise. One of the reasons that it took so long for VHS to be killed off was it was a long time before DVD recorders became affordable and more mainstream. It's only really happening now, in fact.

If they don't provide recording and re-recording capabilities with either blu-ray or the other one, and sooner rather than later, I think they may be shocked with the poor take-up rate of the new technology.