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Busyman
02-15-2006, 06:52 AM
I'm curious 'cause I heard GM has many that use that type of fuel now.

I've been thinking about getting an SUV but was waiting for one with decent fuel economy and I'm not sure E85 addresses that.

I know Willie Nelson has vehicles that run on ethanol but I thought the fuel economy was worse.

I want the '07 Chevy Suburban (wanted the Cadillac Escalade but it costs too much)
http://a137.g.akamai.net/n/137/3538/20060110213336/www.cars.com/features/autoshows/2006/losangeles/coverage/images/07_Chevy_Surburban_frontangle_mfr_430.jpg

This runs about $55,000 but allows me to do everything I need. My job gets me discounted prices on GM vehicles but I don't know how much it'll be.

I'm curious as to how much a Suburban that runs on E85 fuel would be and what the advantages are.

On the surface, if E85 doesn't give me better fuel economy and/or the fuel cost more, than it doesn't really help me except to say I won't be using foreign oil.

It has to be more to it than that.

I do love the fact that we could see a future where we grow our fuel (corn and stuff).

Virtualbody1234
02-15-2006, 12:20 PM
This runs about $55,000 but allows me to do everything I need.
Explain the need for the huge gas guzzler.


I would like to point out that this is a ridiculous vehicle choice when your concern is fuel economy.

Busyman
02-15-2006, 12:44 PM
This runs about $55,000 but allows me to do everything I need.
Explain the need for the huge gas guzzler.


I would like to point out that this is a ridiculous vehicle choice when your concern is fuel economy.
1. Hauling lumber and other materials for my home.

2. Hauling lots of audio gear.

3. Transporting a number of kids and their parents.

4. 4x4 for rare times in the snow.

The concern is fuel economy for an SUV. Do you know the fuel economy of a '07 Chevy Suburban using all gasoline and all ethanol?

I think the Tahoe gets something like 22 mpg.

Chewie
02-15-2006, 11:20 PM
I think the Tahoe gets something like 22 mpg.
Are they US gallons, or real ones?

GepperRankins
02-15-2006, 11:21 PM
are you planning to go off road or are you a poof?

Virtualbody1234
02-15-2006, 11:44 PM
1. Hauling lumber and other materials for my home.A $55,000 US luxury SUV to haul lumber?


2. Hauling lots of audio gear.Moving a symphonic orchestra?


3. Transporting a number of kids and their parents.How many and don't they have vehicles?


4. 4x4 for rare times in the snow.I live in Canada and I don't need 4X4 to drive in snow often.





I any case, it's just ridiculous to expect fuel economy from a Suburban.

Busyman
02-16-2006, 12:33 AM
A $55,000 US luxury SUV to haul lumber?
Didn't I just say it? RIF.
Name another SUV that size.


2. Hauling lots of audio gear.Moving a symphonic orchestra?
No. Mixers, keyboards, computers...shit like that.


3. Transporting a number of kids and their parents.How many and don't they have vehicles?
Alot and sure they do, dad.


4. 4x4 for rare times in the snow.I live in Canada and I don't need 4X4 to drive in snow often.
--:O --


I any case, it's just ridiculous to expect fuel economy from a Suburban.
No shit...when compared to a car. :1eye: dUh! :1eye:

There's also crap like the Ford Excursion that got 10 mpg which I deem ridiculous.

I find that people harp on SUV for their gas mileage yet say nothing about sports cars which serve way less purpose.

Thanks for answers on E85.:wacko:

Proper Bo
02-16-2006, 12:36 AM
small man = big car

always happens:no:

manker
02-16-2006, 12:37 AM
It really makes no difference.

Surely you don't expect us to believe that you can afford a $55k penis substitute when you can't afford full fare for your missus at the cinema nor a microwave for your Mam.

VB is helping you indulge in your fantasy, you should be grateful - the rest of read half way thro' your initial post, rolled our eyes and decided that in future, we'd get our fairytales from Grimm.

Proper Bo
02-16-2006, 12:40 AM
£31 000 for a car that size? It either sucks bawls, or cars are dirt cheap in merkinland:dabs:

GepperRankins
02-16-2006, 12:40 AM
A $55,000 US luxury SUV to haul lumber?

Moving a symphonic orchestra?


3. Transporting a number of kids and their parents.How many and don't they have vehicles?


4. 4x4 for rare times in the snow.I live in Canada and I don't need 4X4 to drive in snow often.





I any case, it's just ridiculous to expect fuel economy from a Suburban.
No shit...when compared to a car. :1eye: dUh! :1eye:

There's also crap like the Ford Excursion that got 10 mpg which I deem ridiculous.

I find that people harp on SUV for their gas mileage yet say nothing about sports cars.
i know you're not capable of rodding so... people do bitch about sports cars. people with sports cars do drive them fast. they're not a hazard in built up areas.

sports cars have lots of redeeming features. buying a 4x4 that will never go off road is gay :dabs:

sArA
02-16-2006, 12:40 AM
http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/excuses.htm


Well, here's one perspective....

Proper Bo
02-16-2006, 12:44 AM
http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/excuses.htm


Well, here's one perspective....


Big, tall 4x4s have far bigger rear blind spots than normal cars, making it impossible to see a child for more than 15 feet behind them, and much further for short drivers.


:no:

manker
02-16-2006, 12:49 AM
Big, tall 4x4s have far bigger rear blind spots than normal cars, making it impossible to see a child for more than 15 feet behind them, and much further for short drivers.


:no:
You'll just be able to make out the quiff of his Even Steven over the steering wheel :no:

Busyman
02-16-2006, 12:50 AM
It really makes no difference.

Surely you don't expect us to believe that you can afford a $55k penis substitute when you can't afford full fare for your missus at the cinema nor a microwave for your Mam.

VB is helping you indulge in your fantasy, you should be grateful - the rest of read half way thro' your initial post, rolled our eyes and decided that in future, we'd get our fairytales from Grimm.
What's the fairytale?

I could afford it years ago so I couldn't give a shit* whether you believed the first post or not.:huh:







* Whether this is the correct version or whether I should or shouldn't give 2 or even 3 shits, I could or couldn't give a shit. If one struggles with this wording then simply get some pussy to get your mind off grammar. However, If you think that there is something, possibly, in the world that you do give 9 shits about, feel free to use whatever the fuck comes to mind since, if you could or couldn't give a shit, it doesn't fucking matter....now does it? ANSWER ME MOTHERFUCKER!!!. Thanks, and fuck yo mama.

manker
02-16-2006, 12:54 AM
A night of roddage to celebrate the new smiley would not be right nor proper without Busyman completing the menage de twat.

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9191/rod25qn.gif

Busyman
02-16-2006, 12:58 AM
A night of roddage to celebrate the new smiley would not be right nor proper without Busyman completing the menage de twat.

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9191/rod25qn.gif
As if I never knew.:mellow:

Good entertainment, though.

Nice smiley.:happy:

Proper Bo
02-16-2006, 01:03 AM
:dabs:

Virtualbody1234
02-16-2006, 01:38 AM
There's a huge difference between wanting something and needing something.




10. People won't think you are an 'idiot'
Too late. :P

enoughfakefiles
02-16-2006, 01:41 AM
There's a huge difference between wanting something and needing something.

How much :unsure:

Busyman
02-16-2006, 01:42 AM
There's a huge difference between wanting something and needing something.

Of course.

I don't need most of luxuries I have now.

Right now, I load any grimy or somewhat bulky items in my Camry. Often times I have to call my uncle and borrow his pick-up truck and he lives across town.

I could keep doing that.

Virtualbody1234
02-16-2006, 01:43 AM
There's a huge difference between wanting something and needing something.

How much :unsure:
Exactly as much as the difference between a sensible vehicle and a Suburban.

GepperRankins
02-16-2006, 01:46 AM
How much :unsure:
Exactly as much as the difference between a sensible vehicle and a Suburban.
bout 3 inches :smilie4:

Virtualbody1234
02-16-2006, 01:47 AM
There's a huge difference between wanting something and needing something.

Of course.

I don't need most of luxuries I have now.

... This runs about $55,000 but allows me to do everything I need...

Busyman
02-16-2006, 01:49 AM
Of course.

I don't need most of luxuries I have now.

... This runs about $55,000 but allows me to do everything I need...
RIF.

It does everything I need.

Busyman
02-16-2006, 01:50 AM
How much :unsure:
Exactly as much as the difference between a sensible vehicle and a Suburban.
Oh you must have a hybrid vehicle then.

Good to know.

GepperRankins
02-16-2006, 01:51 AM
... This runs about $55,000 but allows me to do everything I need...
RIF.

I does everything I need.
so does a stryker. what's your point?

Virtualbody1234
02-16-2006, 01:56 AM
It may do stuff you want.

Virtualbody1234
02-16-2006, 01:57 AM
Exactly as much as the difference between a sensible vehicle and a Suburban.
Oh you must have a hybrid vehicle then.

Good to know.
I said "sensible".

Busyman
02-16-2006, 01:57 AM
It may do stuff you want.
RIF.

You fucked up. Just take it, man.

Busyman
02-16-2006, 01:58 AM
Oh you must have a hybrid vehicle then.

Good to know.
I said "sensible".
Oh ok. What has VB deemed sensible in all his rigidity?

I guess it wasn't sensible for my uncle to own a pick-up with 4x4?

I guess it's not sensible to own a car with AWD?

I guess it's not sensible to buy an SUV even if it has decent fuel economy?

Virtualbody1234
02-16-2006, 02:03 AM
It may do stuff you want.
RIF.

You fucked up. Just take it, man.
You don't seem to have a clue what you're talking about.

As usual. :dry:

Busyman
02-16-2006, 02:16 AM
RIF.

You fucked up. Just take it, man.
You don't seem to have a clue what you're talking about.

As usual. :dry:
Yet post #24 makes no sense as you laid it out. I gotcha.

I may need to haul lumber and other building materials (or have it hauled) yet may not need a tractor trailer to haul it.

Does your intelligence level wane as it gets later or does it consistently remain scant all day?

You aren't even rodding, ffs, although I treat it all the same.

Virtualbody1234
02-16-2006, 02:27 AM
Keep posting. You're burying yourself.

Busyman
02-16-2006, 02:42 AM
Keep posting. You're burying yourself.
Nothing more to post.

You may want to point out post #3...if that helps.

GepperRankins
02-16-2006, 04:04 AM
You don't seem to have a clue what you're talking about.

As usual. :dry:
Yet post #24 makes no sense as you laid it out. I gotcha.

I may need to haul lumber and other building materials (or have it hauled) yet may not need a tractor trailer to haul it.

Does your intelligence level wane as it gets later or does it consistently remain scant all day?

You aren't even rodding, ffs, although I treat it all the same.
:dabs:


a man car and a trailer would be cheaper :smilie4:

GepperRankins
02-16-2006, 04:06 AM
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=only+men+drive+SUVs&word2=only+women+drive+SUVs

tesco
02-16-2006, 04:43 AM
4. 4x4 for rare times in the snow.
It's funnny when there's the really bad snow falls and you see people with 4x4 SUVs driving with 2 wheel drive (you can tell :P).:lol:

Busyman
02-16-2006, 05:15 AM
4. 4x4 for rare times in the snow.
It's funnny when there's the really bad snow falls and you see people with 4x4 SUVs driving with 2 wheel drive (you can tell :P).:lol:
One thing I can't stand is when someone gets a large SUV and gets it without 4WD.

A friend of mine at work bought a Ford Expedition....2WD.

The reason: He didn't like how high the truck sat.:dry:

When we had a big snowfall his ass got stuck numerous times on his way home.

Fucking embarassing.:lol: :lol: :lol:

On a side note:

I'm finally missing the snow, which is why I picked this time to be off for teh surgered knee.

It snowed a couple days ago....a lot.

Tomorrow it's supposed to be 60 degrees. :huh:

Tempestv
02-16-2006, 06:38 AM
4. 4x4 for rare times in the snow.
It's funnny when there's the really bad snow falls and you see people with 4x4 SUVs driving with 2 wheel drive (you can tell :P).:lol:


What is considered a really bad snowfall? I drive all the time in the snow in 2wd despite the fact that my truck has 4x4. why waste the gas when I don't need all four wheels driving (actually two wheels due to open differentials, but that is another story)? I have rairly seen a condition in my 18 years here in montana that would require a good driver to engage 4x4 on pavement. The times I have seen usually involve leaving the paved surface involentarly (no, having 4x4 engaged would not have helped), and 4x4 might get you on the road without a towtruck. however, if all four tires (or even one front tire and one back tire due to open diffs) are on the same surface that 2wd couldn't get you off of, 4x4 won't help. Learn to drive in snow before you decide that you need a 4x4 crutch. Remember, usually, the 2wd version of a truck will be lighter, get better gas milage, have better acceleration, better stopping, better handling, and be cheaper to work on. if your tires don't touch dirt, go with the 2wd and throw some sand in the back in the winter (same for a 4x4).

Busyman
02-16-2006, 06:55 AM
It's funnny when there's the really bad snow falls and you see people with 4x4 SUVs driving with 2 wheel drive (you can tell :P).:lol:


What is considered a really bad snowfall? I drive all the time in the snow in 2wd despite the fact that my truck has 4x4. why waste the gas when I don't need all four wheels driving (actually two wheels due to open differentials, but that is another story)? I have rairly seen a condition in my 18 years here in montana that would require a good driver to engage 4x4 on pavement. The times I have seen usually involve leaving the paved surface involentarly (no, having 4x4 engaged would not have helped), and 4x4 might get you on the road without a towtruck. however, if all four tires (or even one front tire and one back tire due to open diffs) are on the same surface that 2wd couldn't get you off of, 4x4 won't help. Learn to drive in snow before you decide that you need a 4x4 crutch. Remember, usually, the 2wd version of a truck will be lighter, get better gas milage, have better acceleration, better stopping, better handling, and be cheaper to work on. if your tires don't touch dirt, go with the 2wd and throw some sand in the back in the winter (same for a 4x4).
Well around here we rarely get snow like you do so using the 4WD crutch (or as you say 2 wheels, 1 front, 1 back) is smarter than not using it.

If you drove in snow everyday it does make sense to save on the gas.

My coworker that got stuck would have benefited greatly from 4x4 (and numerous others I know). I know of course it means shit on ice.

Also 4WD looks like only couple grand more.

What do you use your truck for, btw?

...and do you know anything about ethanol fuel?

Tempestv
02-16-2006, 07:58 AM
mostly it is my transportation from school to home once a month, when my friends and I throw a lan party. about 250 miles, but 90 of it is on a two lane road in an area that regularly gets five feet of snow (or more), and is not maintained (plowed) thankfully the wind takes the snow off the road surface. if you go off the road, your sol of course, five feet of powder at least, no cell phones and a good chance that the next house is five miles away with the next vehical eight hours away.
my truck is a '90 mazda b2600i that I bought for $700. I use the bed to haul my tools as I often need them at home, plus all my computer shit, and still have room for some unexpected stuff. (my car's trunk was tapped out with just the tools) plus, I haven't gotten the chance being so busy with school, but a little 4x4en can be pretty fun on some two track.

funny you should ask about ethanol, I wrote some long message with storys that I have seen of the inportance of 4x4 here in montana, plus a ton on ethanol in the quick reply, and forgot that I was not logged in, and when I went to post, lost everything. here gos again

For hauling lumber or audio equipment, get a truck. specificly, get a 3/4 ton crew cab pickup with a diesel and a six speed stick. plenty of space for people and stuff, goes down the road burning a gallon for every 20+ miles, plenty of power and you can burn biodiesel if it is avalable. If a pickup is not what you are looking for, Ford sells cargo vans and the excursion (suv on a 3/4 ton truck frame) with a diesel engine.
as for ethanol, most of the time, there is a mileage drop, with high levels of ethanol making low gas milage figures. however I have read reports of tests of cirtian kinds of e10 treatments that cause the milage to go up. I would assume that the same would be true if e85 was treated the same way. when it comes to gas prices however, more important than MPG is Miles Per dollar, and because ethanol is so much cheaper than gasoline, that is where ethanol wins out. the higher the percentage of ethanol, the cheaper per gallon the gas is, and overall, with a higher percentage of ethanol, you are going to pay less to go the same distance. of course, you will have to fill your tank more often, or install a larger tank, but I think I could live with that. another consideration is that in colder weather, an ethanol fueled vehical will have a harder time starting. some people up against this problem have got a dual feed system- start the car on a little gasoline and then switch over to ethanol when the car warms up some. Remember that you should only convert to e85 if there is an e85 filling station near you. you can run up to b30 in unmodified cars. on older vehicals, high amounts of ethyl alcohol could potentially eat the hoses, newer vehicals have changed materials so that this is not a concern. as for high performace, a bottle of everclear has an octane rating of 123, you do the math. all the stuff I said here applies equally to biodiesel as well, exept that biodiesel has higher gas milage, will run in an unmodified engine, and currently costs more per gallon (some argue that other factors make biodiesel cheaper, plus biodiesel is expected to drop in price, mineral diesel is not, Willie Nelson intends to sell his Willie Diesel for $1.79 a gallon). Both alternitive fuels are generally regarged as easier on the engine, buring cleaner, and as a result, less time between oil changes, less clogged injecters, ect, basiclly overall less damage to the engine (as long as you got the new hoses and such that don't get eaten by the fuel), plus, cleaner burning means less emmisions. does that answer your questions?

as for the intresting storys, I have seen Honda Accords go where Jeeps got stuck because the guy driving the Jeep was from california and didn't know shit about driving on snow. the look on his face was priceless as we were hooking up chains to pull him out and this little car goes right by us with out a concern in the world, while his jeep is stuck in his own driveway.

Busyman
02-16-2006, 08:43 AM
mostly it is my transportation from school to home once a month, when my friends and I throw a lan party. about 250 miles, but 90 of it is on a two lane road in an area that regularly gets five feet of snow (or more), and is not maintained (plowed) thankfully the wind takes the snow off the road surface. if you go off the road, your sol of course, five feet of powder at least, no cell phones and a good chance that the next house is five miles away with the next vehical eight hours away.
my truck is a '90 mazda b2600i that I bought for $700. I use the bed to haul my tools as I often need them at home, plus all my computer shit, and still have room for some unexpected stuff. (my car's trunk was tapped out with just the tools) plus, I haven't gotten the chance being so busy with school, but a little 4x4en can be pretty fun on some two track.

funny you should ask about ethanol, I wrote some long message with storys that I have seen of the inportance of 4x4 here in montana, plus a ton on ethanol in the quick reply, and forgot that I was not logged in, and when I went to post, lost everything. here gos again

For hauling lumber or audio equipment, get a truck. specificly, get a 3/4 ton crew cab pickup with a diesel and a six speed stick. plenty of space for people and stuff, goes down the road burning a gallon for every 20+ miles, plenty of power and you can burn biodiesel if it is avalable. If a pickup is not what you are looking for, Ford sells cargo vans and the excursion (suv on a 3/4 ton truck frame) with a diesel engine.
as for ethanol, most of the time, there is a mileage drop, with high levels of ethanol making low gas milage figures. however I have read reports of tests of cirtian kinds of e10 treatments that cause the milage to go up. I would assume that the same would be true if e85 was treated the same way. when it comes to gas prices however, more important than MPG is Miles Per dollar, and because ethanol is so much cheaper than gasoline, that is where ethanol wins out. the higher the percentage of ethanol, the cheaper per gallon the gas is, and overall, with a higher percentage of ethanol, you are going to pay less to go the same distance. of course, you will have to fill your tank more often, or install a larger tank, but I think I could live with that. another consideration is that in colder weather, an ethanol fueled vehical will have a harder time starting. some people up against this problem have got a dual feed system- start the car on a little gasoline and then switch over to ethanol when the car warms up some. Remember that you should only convert to e85 if there is an e85 filling station near you. you can run up to b30 in unmodified cars. on older vehicals, high amounts of ethyl alcohol could potentially eat the hoses, newer vehicals have changed materials so that this is not a concern. as for high performace, a bottle of everclear has an octane rating of 123, you do the math. all the stuff I said here applies equally to biodiesel as well, exept that biodiesel has higher gas milage, will run in an unmodified engine, and currently costs more per gallon (some argue that other factors make biodiesel cheaper, plus biodiesel is expected to drop in price, mineral diesel is not, Willie Nelson intends to sell his Willie Diesel for $1.79 a gallon). Both alternitive fuels are generally regarged as easier on the engine, buring cleaner, and as a result, less time between oil changes, less clogged injecters, ect, basiclly overall less damage to the engine (as long as you got the new hoses and such that don't get eaten by the fuel), plus, cleaner burning means less emmisions. does that answer your questions?

as for the intresting storys, I have seen Honda Accords go where Jeeps got stuck because the guy driving the Jeep was from california and didn't know shit about driving on snow. the look on his face was priceless as we were hooking up chains to pull him out and this little car goes right by us with out a concern in the world, while his jeep is stuck in his own driveway.
Hell yes that answers my questions!!

Another concern will be the cost difference between an E85 (GM calls it Flex-Fuel) truck and a regular gasoline truck.
Also I have been reading about a number of E85 stations coming to my area.

I saw you mentioned the Ford Excursion. I thought that truck was discontinued. I know it also got 10 mpg.:sick:

I had considered getting a small pickup with 4x4 but now I want something all inclusive. At one point I considered a 4-door pickup.

Many folks in my area get an SUV just to be in big truck but don't use it for shit. I never considered certain SUVs (or pick-up) before because of their fuel economy. Since I moved into a bigger house in 2004 in "farmland" it's been a pain having constantly borrow my uncle's pickup for stuff or have friends help out.

I also plan on buying a boat 2nd half of 2008 to 2009. I'll probably be on a long strike in August of '08 and would have to concentrate on paying my mortgage. :dry:

If these fucking trucks were more fuel efficient, I'd have had one in '04 (maybe sooner).

It's amazing that now SUVs are made like cars. They have no room, can't haul for shit, and cost a shitload of money.

All these Lexus trucks, the H2 and H3, FX35/45, BMW trucks....they have no fucking room. Yet people pay all this money 'cause of a name with little function.

I guess SUVs have received "sexy" status like cars now but why get a TRUCK when the fact that it is a truck adds to it's price?

Tempestv
02-16-2006, 09:11 AM
on the excursion, it was discontinued due to safety, improved, and reintroduced. it gets shitty gas milage with the 6.8L V10 gas triton, but what can you expect. far as I know, it is the same frame, tranny, drivetrain and such as the F-250, just with a permenent hard top. 10mpg is all you can expect out of one of those big trucks anyways with the 6.8 v10 anyways. it is the diesel that makes it so efficent. I have no problem with a truck if you are going to use it. it is all the fucktards that have big trucks just because it makes them powerful or something. expecally the ones that lift their truck way above what they need to for the tires they are running (ever heard of center of gravity?) or do everything in crome on a lifted truck (with all that crome, arn't you worried about scratches off road? oh yea, no off road in your lifted 4x4) If you ask me, the H2 is the most rediculess thing in the world. the H1 was desined for a purpose, and I like it, but the H2 was desined for the express purpose of looking cool and no other reason. the whole idea is nuts. (besides they look like shit, and the fact the modified ones that you see are all jacked up on crome or rubbing rockers kinda lowers any trail cred it had) I have seen them that do look good, but they are extensivly modifyed, on a new frame, new suspention, ect. one was an SUT, that had the back end extended out to a full bed, and all the decritive stuff like the plastic airlift shackels and radiator vent on the hood were modified to be functional. hopefully when school gets out I am going to get my dream truck, a '68 Kaiser Jeep M715 5/4 ton pickup, put in a 360 fueled by propane, replace the bed and front fenders to mount bigger tires without a lift. all those "bling" accessorys don't intrest me, my current truck does not even have a radio, and there is a match book and a chunk of fuel hose stuffed in between dash panels to keep them from rattling.

Busyman
02-16-2006, 09:47 AM
on the excursion, it was discontinued due to safety, improved, and reintroduced. it gets shitty gas milage with the 6.8L V10 gas triton, but what can you expect. far as I know, it is the same frame, tranny, drivetrain and such as the F-250, just with a permenent hard top. 10mpg is all you can expect out of one of those big trucks anyways with the 6.8 v10 anyways. it is the diesel that makes it so efficent. I have no problem with a truck if you are going to use it. it is all the fucktards that have big trucks just because it makes them powerful or something. expecally the ones that lift their truck way above what they need to for the tires they are running (ever heard of center of gravity?) or do everything in crome on a lifted truck (with all that crome, arn't you worried about scratches off road? oh yea, no off road in your lifted 4x4) If you ask me, the H2 is the most rediculess thing in the world. the H1 was desined for a purpose, and I like it, but the H2 was desined for the express purpose of looking cool and no other reason. the whole idea is nuts. (besides they look like shit, and the fact the modified ones that you see are all jacked up on crome or rubbing rockers kinda lowers any trail cred it had) I have seen them that do look good, but they are extensivly modifyed, on a new frame, new suspention, ect. one was an SUT, that had the back end extended out to a full bed, and all the decritive stuff like the plastic airlift shackels and radiator vent on the hood were modified to be functional. hopefully when school gets out I am going to get my dream truck, a '68 Kaiser Jeep M715 5/4 ton pickup, put in a 360 fueled by propane, replace the bed and front fenders to mount bigger tires without a lift. all those "bling" accessorys don't intrest me, my current truck does not even have a radio, and there is a match book and a chunk of fuel hose stuffed in between dash panels to keep them from rattling.
I liked the Cadillac Escalade ESV partly for the bling factor.:lol: :lol:

I know I'd never buy one though...it's not practical and it costs like 80 grand.

Isn't the Excursion bigger than the Suburban?

Btw, I've been in an H2. It isn't even roomy inside and doesn't the sense of head room other SUVs have. All the shortcomings at 60+ grand. :no:

Tempestv
02-16-2006, 10:21 AM
I liked the Cadillac Escalade ESV partly for the bling factor.:lol: :lol:



I know I'd never buy one though...it's not practical and it costs like 80 grand.

I hate "Bling" Krylon paint and tube rocksliders for me


Isn't the Excursion bigger than the Suburban?

Yes, Excursion is the biggest SUV currently for sale. I think the Suburban is based on a 1/2 ton chassis


Btw, I've been in an H2. It isn't even roomy inside and doesn't the sense of head room other SUVs have. All the shortcomings at 60+ grand. :no:
yea, it shocks me how they managed to take a massive external shell and give it so little interior room. where did it all go? it's not like an h1 where the the passengers share interior space with the engine, tranny and transfer case, so where did all that space go?