selling eggs.

[vidcc]

PHOENIX — A House panel voted Thursday to criminalize the practice of buying and selling human eggs.
The 6-2 Judiciary Committee vote came after Rep. Bob Stump, R-Peoria, told colleagues that the methods used to harvest the eggs are potentially unsafe for women. Stump also said it is no more moral to sell human eggs than to sell body parts, a practice that already is illegal.
Part of his motive, he said, is to throw a roadblock into cloning research, a practice that often starts with human eggs.
House Bill 2142, which now goes to the full House, would subject violators, whether donors or companies that buy the eggs, to up to a year in jail.
Women could still donate eggs, whether for fertilization or research. But they could not get "money or other valuable consideration."
The call for human eggs, advertised in campus publications and some free weeklies, apparently can be lucrative: One company's classified ad says women can earn up to $24,000 for six separate egg donations.
"College women are targeted in particular," Stump said.
He said the practice of paying for eggs can also lead to the exploitation of poor women.
No one testified Thursday against the measure.source (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/116280)

If men can sell sperm why shouldn't women be allowed to sell eggs, and in fact face a year in jail if they do?

Women could still donate eggs under this law (a state law) if it passes fully

Given that any donor would do so volutarily and has to be an adult and able to make the decision this smacks of sexism and in my mind yet another example of government interfering in private lives.

[Tempestv]

ya, gotta agree, far as I can tell, the only difference between this and donating sperm is that the women get a shitload more money. maybe that is why it was made illegial- male lawmakers were jealous.

[MagicNakor]

Well, that and donating eggs takes a medical procedure, while donating spem takes a more amateur route, thus making the former higher-risk. ;)

Wouldn't this essentially make surrogacy illegal as well?

:shuriken:

[vidcc]

I think the size of the financial reward may have more to do with the proceedure the woman goes through. It's not like she gets a room filled with porn and gets paid to do something men do for fun.................................

Edit...magicnakor posted whilst I was responding, sorry for the double up.

Edit2: Thinking about it


Stump also said it is no more moral to sell human eggs than to sell body parts, a practice that already is illegal. I don't think this is valid either as the body doesn't tend to drop off "body parts" once a month. So what is the difference between a woman that remains unmarried and celibate thus allows her egg to "die" once a month and one that donates

[tantric]

Sperm?

Hell, what about blood or plasma?

A cell's a cell, isn't it?

[Busyman]

I find the ban on stem cell research equally dumb as shit.

Instead of harvesting stem cells from a fetus that would otherwise be thrown away, Bush says throw it away.

What a dumbshit.

edit: On what grounds does he ban the research anyway?

[Carcinus]

As a woman with no plans on having children, around 12 of my finite supply of eggs are wasted each year. If I could be paid for having some of them put to good use I would be happy to do so.

Every medical procedure carries a certain amount of risk. Kidney and other organ doners are praised for the risks they take. The procedure for extracting bone marrow from doners is a painful one, and even blood doners run the risk of accident or infection every time they go through venipuncture.

The statement "selling eggs is as immoral as selling body parts" is a spurious one because eggs serve no vital purpose to the woman until they are fertilised by sperm. They are no more little babies-in-waiting than each and every sperm is, yet there's no compunction about sperm being wasted. These look to me like flaky excuses propagated by religion thinly disguised as morality and social concern.

[JPaul]

So what is the difference between a woman that remains unmarried and celibate thus allows her egg to "die" once a month and one that donates

They could still donate eggs.


Women could still donate eggs, whether for fertilization or research. But they could not get "money or other valuable consideration."

[vidcc]

They could still donate eggs.


Women could still donate eggs, whether for fertilization or research. But they could not get "money or other valuable consideration."

The heck you say...........


Women could still donate eggs under this law (a state law) if it passes fully very first post:rolleyes:

[JPaul]

Indeed, so what was this point intended to be about.



So what is the difference between a woman that remains unmarried and celibate thus allows her egg to "die" once a month and one that donates

[vidcc]

Indeed, so what was this point intended to be about.



So what is the difference between a woman that remains unmarried and celibate thus allows her egg to "die" once a month and one that donates


Stump also said it is no more moral to sell human eggs than to sell body parts, a practice that already is illegal.
now put the part you took out back
I don't think this is valid either as the body doesn't tend to drop off "body parts" once a month.

go to the whole point of the thread


If men can sell sperm why shouldn't women be allowed to sell eggs
Men can sell sperm, it is not considered a body part, yet Stump considers eggs a body part

[JPaul]

But what does that have to do with.

"So what is the difference between a woman that remains unmarried and celibate thus allows her egg to "die" once a month and one that donates"

It still seems incongruous.

I can see the point re selling eggs compared to sellling sperm. That's a self evident analogy. However I can't see the relevance of the menstruation / donation thing. I think the difference is apparent.

[Busyman]

This whole thing is rather stupid.

I'd like to know what is morally wrong with selling something on your person that wil die anyway.

With this wacko's logic, people shouldn't be able to sell their hair.

This goes back to the ban on stem research. You can't take away from the fetus but throw the fetus away.

Bullshit.

[vidcc]

Oh well, I can't be bothered explaining again and will not lose any sleep worrying about it.

[Busyman]

Oh well, I can't be bothered explaining again and will not lose any sleep worrying about it.
I understood it. Stumpy makes no sense.
What about this shit....

He said the practice of paying for eggs can also lead to the exploitation of poor women.

Where's the exploitation in her making money to further research?

I agree that there should safeguards for safety just like everything else.

I guess poor men are not exploited when they give up their squirt juice.:dry:

http://i2.tinypic.com/osaibb.gif

[vidcc]

I understood it. Stumpy makes no sense.
That was @ jpaul, my bad i should have quoted....and you should have checked withj me before posting while i am typing:lol: :lol:



What about this shit....

He said the practice of paying for eggs can also lead to the exploitation of poor women.

Where's the exploitation in her making money to further research?

I agree that there should safeguards for safety just like everything else.

I guess poor men are not exploited when they give up their squirt juice.:dry:

I am with you

[JPaul]

Oh well, I can't be bothered explaining again and will not lose any sleep worrying about it.
Oh, I won't lose any sleep either.

If you can't understand the difference between menstruation and egg donation that's more your concern than mine.

[vidcc]

Oh well, I can't be bothered explaining again and will not lose any sleep worrying about it.
Oh, I won't lose any sleep either.

If you can't understand the difference between menstruation and egg donation that's more your concern than mine.
that's your arguement, mine is about body parts

[JPaul]

Oh, I won't lose any sleep either.

If you can't understand the difference between menstruation and egg donation that's more your concern than mine.
that's your arguement, mine is about body parts
No, I think you'll find it was you who posted.

"So what is the difference between a woman that remains unmarried and celibate thus allows her egg to "die" once a month and one that donates"

i.e. What's the difference between menstruation and egg donation.

[vidcc]

And yet again you take part of a post, remove context, and then when it was explained with the context replaced you ignore it.

You should be an architect.............. specialise in long thin tunnels

[JPaul]

And yet again you take part of a post, remove context, and then when it was explained with the context replaced you ignore it.

You should be an architect.............. specialise in long thin tunnels
It doesn't make sense in the original post, that's why I said it was incongruous and asked you to explain it.

Your "explanation" didn't make any sense either.

In any case, the sentence does not require a context. It merely asks the difference between menstruation and egg donation. which like I said is self evident, so why ask it.

[Busyman]

And yet again you take part of a post, remove context, and then when it was explained with the context replaced you ignore it.

You should be an architect.............. specialise in long thin tunnels
Get some common fucking sense, vid.

I can shed hair but I can't donate it OMG!!WTF!111!11!STFU!1!GTHO!!11.

If you don't know difference between shedding and donation then you need some common sense. It goes no further than that...shedding and...hair donation.

:stars:

[JPaul]

And yet again you take part of a post, remove context, and then when it was explained with the context replaced you ignore it.

You should be an architect.............. specialise in long thin tunnels
Get some common fucking sense, vid.

I can shed hair but I can't donate it OMG!!WTF!111!11!STFU!1!GTHO!!11.

If you don't know difference between shedding and donation then you need some common sense. It goes no further than that...shedding and...hair donation.

:stars:
Agreed, the difference between menstruation and the donation of viable human eggs is pretty obvious.

Like you I am at a loss to see the point in asking what the difference is.

:stars:

[Cheese]

Can someone PM or otherwise notify me when someone loses their temper in this thread so I can make my "Oh, it must be your time of the month" joke. TIA.

[JPaul]

Can someone PM or otherwise notify me when someone loses their temper in this thread so I can make my "Oh, it must be your time of the month" joke. TIA.
Fuck you, tax dodging bastard.

[Busyman]

Can someone PM or otherwise notify me when someone loses their temper in this thread so I can make my "Oh, it must be your time of the month" joke. TIA.
Shut it before I throw this cup of once viable sperm at you instead of selling it or flushing down the loo.

[vidcc]

And yet again you take part of a post, remove context, and then when it was explained with the context replaced you ignore it.

You should be an architect.............. specialise in long thin tunnels
Get some common fucking sense, vid.

I can shed hair but I can't donate it OMG!!WTF!111!11!STFU!1!GTHO!!11.

If you don't know difference between shedding and donation then you need some common sense. It goes no further than that...shedding and...hair donation.

:stars:
What are you talking about?


Stump also said it is no more moral to sell human eggs than to sell body parts The post was about stump comparing eggs to body parts.

btw. you can donate hair

[Busyman]

Get some common fucking sense, vid.

I can shed hair but I can't donate it OMG!!WTF!111!11!STFU!1!GTHO!!11.

If you don't know difference between shedding and donation then you need some common sense. It goes no further than that...shedding and...hair donation.

:stars:
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about get some fucking sense.

The eggs are viable thus protected under God indivisible with liberty.

Abortion may not be banned but we will ban indiscriminate and wanton egg displacement.

[JPaul]

What are you talking about?
I'm talking about get some fucking sense.

The eggs are viable thus protected under God indivisible with liberty.

Ban may not be banned but we will ban indiscriminate and wanton egg displacement.
At last, some sense in this thread.

[Carcinus]

You lot are arguing semantics. If I could donate my wasted menstruated eggs I would, and so would most women. The argument is why there has been a ban on women donating their eggs, and no such restriction on men, when both contain half the genetic matirial to make a person. It's bollocks about the risky operation. We go through worse when we have a smear test once a year, or give blood or bone-marrow.

[hamm]

:O Think of the poor chickens!

Won't someone please please think of the chickens! :cry1:

[JPaul]

You lot are arguing semantics. If I could donate my wasted menstruated eggs I would, and so would most women. The argument is why there has been a ban on women donating their eggs, and no such restriction on men, when both contain half the genetic matirial to make a person. It's bollocks about the risky operation. We go through worse when we have a smear test once a year, or give blood or bone-marrow.
There is no suggestion of a ban on donating. The suggestion is a ban on selling them. Please read the material before telling people they are arguing semantics. Tho' I can see how vidcc's post would confuse you.

However as I said earlier, I can see the selling of eggs as being analagous with the selling of sperm, as opposed to the selling of one of your livers.

[Cheese]

:O Think of the poor chickens!

Won't someone please please think of the chickens! :cry1:

I prefer to think of nekkid ladies when I go to donate, but whatever floats ya boat...:ermm:

[Carcinus]

There is no suggestion of a ban on donating. The suggestion is a ban on selling them. Please read the material before telling people they are arguing semantics. Tho' I can see how vidcc's post would confuse you.

However as I said earlier, I can see the selling of eggs as being analagous with the selling of sperm, as opposed to the selling of one of your livers.

Fair enough, apologies. I blame late night drunken beligerence...

If there is enough value placed on eggs for a woman to make some decent money then let her sell them. I don't think it is immoral at all for they serve no vital function other than the potential to make a baby, unlike selling vital organs which puts the doner at real risk as physical function is impaired.

The only risk to the woman is that her fecundity is reduced every time she is harvested. If that woman is aware of that risk, or is not planning on having children then no one should be able to stop her making some money out of otherwise useless cells.

[JPaul]

There is no suggestion of a ban on donating. The suggestion is a ban on selling them. Please read the material before telling people they are arguing semantics. Tho' I can see how vidcc's post would confuse you.

However as I said earlier, I can see the selling of eggs as being analagous with the selling of sperm, as opposed to the selling of one of your livers.

Fair enough, apologies. I blame late night drunken beligerence...


Sorry, I was only joshing with you. I blame being pished on apple and waking up with a rather sore heid.

[Carcinus]

I'm there with you.

Not literally obviously, but in spirit.

[Cheese]

Spirits as well? I don't think either of you is going to be donating their livers to anyone. :dabs:

[JPaul]

Spirits as well? I don't think either of you is going to be donating their livers to anyone. :dabs:
I had a totally fruit based evening :snooty:

[David J.]

Hello: I found this site while doing a research paper for my philosophy class and just registered today. I am interested in hearing from more women on not just the sale of eggs but the sale of embryos such as fertility clinics so do. Are eggs and embryos private property? I need your opinions ladies! Thank You, David

[David J.]

Post Script: Eggs, fertilized eggs, and embryos?

[MagicNakor]

Specifically females?

...You are aware this is a filesharing forum. ;)

:shuriken:

[ilw]

Specifically females?

...You are aware this is a filesharing forum. ;)

:shuriken:
actually made me lol.
thanks

[Barbarossa]

It might become an eggsharing forum :ermm: