How safe are we.

[buddy2006]

I use newhosting and never had a problem with them.I heard they dont keep logs of what u grab after 24 hrs but surely anything we grab is easy suzzed by our own ISPs keeping logs so just wondering what others think on this.

[4play]

In britain its pretty much illegal for isp's to reveal what you have been downloading to anyone without a court order. Im pretty sure its the same in the usa but i might be wrong.

There really is no way for the riaa, mpaa or anyone else to see what you are downloading off usenet so you are safe.

[buddy2006]

cheers m8 cause it was bugging me a bit.Also im in the UK

[mikeco]

In britain its pretty much illegal for isp's to reveal what you have been downloading to anyone without a court order. Im pretty sure its the same in the usa but i might be wrong.

:blink: i got a email off my isp a few years back about something iv downloaded,but that was over torrents and with the black listed port.

wasnt spam or anything else like that eather, it had the film name and i never used the isp email anywhere be4 so no way of any sites been able to fake it :ermm:

[4play]

@cryco the question was related to newsgroups. torrents work by giving out information on what the ip adresses of the peers are and what chunks of the file they have. its very easy for the riaa, mpaa or anyone else to catch you if your on torrent.

[berks]

yeah i got in trouble for downloading a tv episode from torrents awhile back and I got a letter and everything!

[MultiForce]

Newsgroups are safe and nice. Got a bunch of letters and has been blacklisted etc. from several ISP's because of downloading but nothing more. That was when I used eMule though.

Nice to have the "safety" of newsgroups because then we are keeping up the pressure without having to worry about anything :D

[lemonjello]

Downloading isn't going to get you in trouble. Downloading in itself is a grey area in DMCA and copyright laws.
It is uploading and sharing that gets you in trouble. Bittorrent gives as much as it takes, as do most P2P programs, but with UseNet you are for the most part a strict leacher (well most users). It is the copying of X for redistribution that violates copyright laws, not the simple downloading for personal viewing.

Also, UseNet is tough to use for most users. That, coupled with the costs deters the casual user from using it. The RIAA and MPAA and **AA want to stop and catch and fine and abort the casual users.

[MultiForce]

Oops... meant uploading hehe.

[Freewolf]

I got letters using both emule and bit torrent which is why I made the switch to the newsgroups. I even got a kick for a while from using my isp's own news servers before I got smart and signed up with newshosting. I've yet to have a problem using the newsgroups.

[Filliz]

I think a lot of usnet providers even offer https and nttps connections to the servers so there is no way in finding out what you've been downloading.
Easynews offers this anyway.

[buddy2006]

ok i got a good picture now but one other thing puzzles me.
Regardless of what we download - from where etc our ISP`s still know what exactly we have grabbed and how much dont they ?
So theres always a record of what we been doing somewhere along the lines

[Damnatory]

I think the biggest thing you are all over looking is the fact that nothing is as anonymous as you all seem to think you are. Everytime you download something you are putting yourself at risk. I know most people think that they will never be caught, but the truth is, everything you download is logged at some point and time, so everything you do is known.

Usenet is however safer in the aspect that you are not sharing your IP with a pool of peers, but it is logged at both the usenet server and your ISP. So rather than being caught in a swarn like bittorrent does, you still have to worry about either your ISP, or the usenet server being subpeona'd for a list of IP addy's.

Just thought that should be known... :lookaroun

[RealitY]

Though on what basis would they ask for a list of those that grab from Usenet. None that I could think of. They cant see you since theres nothing inbetween you and the server. This is the biggest difference between Usenet and other apps. There is nowhere for them to watch anything unless they back door the server which is unlikely. Cant imaine a random request for a list of all who grabbed something on a server be it your cable or a pay server. Nor can I imagine any business allowing this either as it could crush them in the public view...

[Damnatory]

The probabilty of it happening is almost nil, but I just wanted people to understand that filesharing in general is risky. Alot of people seem to think that they are anonymous if they take certain precautions. Which Usenet is safer in that aspect, but there could still be possible security risks as mentioned.