Anger Management

[imported_stg1123]

Ok everyone, I'm still waiting for my adsl to come back (we moved house) and I am struggling without believe me but here now to the point of this topic. A friend of mine received a letter from the "abuse" dept. of our isp saying she had been a naughty girl. I told to her to write to them it miust have been a mistake. Heres what she wrote;


i have absolutely no idea what this letter is about.  all i use my computer for is to download movies from kazaa and keep in touch with my family and friends.  i am a 25 yr old mother or 3 girls.  i have had nothing to do with anything illegal.


OK so far right....So here is the reply she got back, in the form of the original letter that they had received about her in complaint!


RE:  Unauthorized Distribution of the Copyrighted Motion Picture Entitled
    Anger Management


Dear Netvision NOC team:

We are writing this letter on behalf of Columbia Pictures Industries Inc., ("Columbia Pictures").

As you may know, Columbia Pictures is the owner of copyright and exclusive distribution rights in and to the motion picture entitled Anger Management.

No one is authorized to perform, exhibit, reproduce, transmit, or otherwise distribute the above-mentioned work without the express written permission of Columbia Pictures, which permission Columbia Pictures has not granted to 212.0.0.9.

We have received information that an individual has utilized the above-referenced IP address at the noted date and time to offer downloads of the above-mentioned work through a "peer-to-peer" service.

The attached documentation specifies the location on your network where the infringement occurred, the number of repeat violations recorded at this specific location, as well as any available identifying information.

The distribution of unauthorized copies of copyrighted motion pictures constitutes copyright infringement under the Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 106(3).  This conduct may also violate the laws of other countries, international law, and/or treaty obligations.

Since you own this IP address, we request that you immediately do the following:

1) Disable access to the individual who has engaged in the conduct described above; and
2) Terminate any and all accounts that this individual has through you.

On behalf of Columbia Pictures, owner of the exclusive rights to the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, we hereby state that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by Columbia Pictures, its respective agents, or the law.

We also hereby state that we believe the information in this notification is accurate, and, under penalty of perjury, that MediaForce is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification.

Please contact us at the above listed address or by replying to this email should you have any questions.

We appreciate your assistance and thank you for your cooperation in this matter.  In your future correspondence with us, please refer to Case ID 6*%$#7.

Your prompt response is requested.

Respectfully,

Mark Weaver,
Director of Enforcement
MediaForce, Inc.
(212) 925-9997



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Infringement Detail:
Infringing Work: Anger Management
Filename: Anger Management.avi
First Found: 16 Apr 2003 06:29:1 EDT (GMT -0400)
Last Found: 16 Apr 2003 06:29:1 EDT (GMT -0400)
Filesize: 717,508k
IP Address: 212.0.0.9
IP Port: 1214 
Network: KaZaA
Protocol: FastTrack
Username: BLAH@kazaa

These guys are taking this seriously man what ever next, they must be crawlingthe web sending millions of these letters at the mo, ooops, kinda makes me wanna stop sharing which is NOT good.

All comments gratefully welcome in this topic :

(names and numbers have been changed)

[TRshady]

damn, thats not good. Its good there giving you a chance to stop. That would scare the shit out of me and I would stop using kazaa, or at least for a while.

Do you have a firewall?, if not you should of had one like zonealarm which hides your ip. Lets see what others think but I think you should stop using kazaa for a while or things could get bad.

btw, downloading movies is illegal and telling them that doesn't help.

[MagicNakor]

Your friend should download PeerGuardian and have it running when she uses Kazaa then. There've been countless accounts of people getting letters from their ISPs, probably most notably Verizon and BT...and for the most part they're sent to people who are uploading popular films. I haven't seen one about people uploading music or software yet, however.

:ninja:

[imported_stg1123]

The reason why I posted this was not for advice although I appreciate your thoughts. I posted this because here is an original letter from a company who were hired by the film production company to basically spend all day hopping nodes and recording the ip's of users sharing the file. This is a new dawn of filesharing and I don't know whats going to come of it. To be truly honest I will be very surprised if the industry releases next years best films on DVD Screeners for the academy people, after what happened last year I have a feeling things are going to change and we are going to have to wait for the first country to release it as a dvd before itll be shared as a dvd rip. But that is just my thought, I see that isp's are causing trouble for uploading certain films but here is the source for it and I am sure things are going to change around here soon.
Any thoughts?

[TIDE-HSV]

That's been a pretty hard file to get, at least a decent, non-cam copy of it. Does she do FTP? :D

[zapjb]

I'm sorry but IMO 99.99% of these they got me letters are BS. TSIF :angry: BS

[imported_stg1123]

Ok I accept your humble opinion Mr. Board moderator whoever you are but this is clearly a real letter and a real situation that is going on here. Why don't you call up the number at the bottom of the letter and discuss it with them,

[zapjb]

I wasn't Being humble. lol. They are a lot of firestarters out there IMO (no H) :lol:

[imported_stg1123]

Ok I agree with you on that but that has nothing to do with the fact that the firestarters in this instance are Columbia Pictures themselves, I mean its very cute what they are doing, they are using kazaa to try and get us cut off from our isp's. What is this world coming to I ask you when all we want to do is a little bit of illegal sharing of films that haven't even been released in the cinema of certain countries. I mean it's not like were taking business away from them or something! LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

[dave]

Just 1 quick question. If I use a SOCKS5 proxy and someone tries to find my IP with the Datview program, will they see my IP or my proxy's IP?

[spooked]

and this is what i got from my isp:

Dear Member

We are writing on behalf of America Online, Inc., the provider of the AOL service to subscribers in the UK. America Online, Inc. has received a complaint from Universal Studios, Inc. that your account was used to conduct the peer-to-peer exchange of copyrighted movie files owned by its members at the following date and time without permission from the copyright owners:

01/04/2003 13:59 EST

Such alleged activity violates AOL's Conditions of Service (COS) available at Keyword: RULES. Please refrain from using your AOL account to exchange unauthorised copies of copyrighted materials.

Our COS department has placed a warning on your account as a result of this activity. Repeated violations of COS may result in termination of your account.

If the alleged activity was not conducted by yourself or a member of your family, but believe an unauthorised individual was using your AOL account at the dates and times identified above, please call us on 0800 376 7444 immediately so that we can take appropriate action to protect your account from future misuse.

Thank you for your cooperation.

If you have any further questions please email the screen name COSMonitor as this screen name cannot accept replies.

Regards,
AOL UK Conditions of Service Department.



Its realy spooked me...no need to say I've stopped everything. Can anyone
tell me how i can hide? i had Norton Profecional on and this privacy on...Its all
heating up... and every day i fear a knock on my door...

[clocker]

Originally posted by spooked@24 April 2003 - 18:20




Its realy spooked me...no need to say I've stopped everything. Can anyone
tell me how i can hide? i had Norton Profecional on and this privacy on...Its all
heating up... and every day i fear a knock on my door...
I'll refrain from giving you the expected bullshit response " Well, just tell 'em to cram it and switch ISPs".
But...
AOL has sent a number of these letters out recently,and I wonder how far they are really willing to go.
They are losing hundreds of thousands of customers yearly and the billions of dollars that they provide.
Do you really think they want to boot you too?
I know, this is no real comfort at all, but I'd be surprised if they didn't just stop at the nasty letter stage.
And if they don't, well, you can always switch ISPs, dude.

[slick nick]

Want to hide your ip on p2p? Try anonymizer. It claims to do this. Otherwise run peerguardian and use to privacy on to stop your files frpom being viewed. Will fear of a letter stop me from sharing films? Nope. What're they going to do kill me? :lol: All they will do is force people to come up with stuff to hide and encrypt their activity. All te threatening letters from isp's wont amount to shit.

[harrycary]

There is no way possible to hide your IP address from your ISP. They monitor and log how often/long you are online. Anything you do must go through their servers first. Using a proxy server will do no good.

Use a good firewall. Block the IPs of those looking for us(search the forums for IP lists). Stop sharing that particular movie. Don't share everything, all of the time. Mix it up if you have alot of files. Burn your movies to CD.

Alot of it is scare tactics and ISPs like AOL & MSN need your business. Afterall they both are already losing customers/business & their stock prices are going down. Check the business pages once in awhile and keep up on those things. It's a wise thing to do.

Finally, fuck you RIAA and the horse you rode in on. I'm just sharing my files. I am not making any money from them. Tell your clients to release better quality movies and music and I'll gladly pay!

phew! sorry everyone about the mini-rant there!

[Z]

stg1123 - where do you live?

[TRshady]

At the moment there are a large number of fakes emails like this going round, I got one about two months ago claiming my pc was going to get convisgated, I found out afterwards another person I know got exactly the same letter when he dont even have a home pc.

[imported_stg1123]

Z,
I actually live in Israel.
And it may surprise you to know that with regards to the internet over here things are very liberal and open. Our ISP would never have done any thing about this kind of problem if they hadn't received the letter from the film company. You know I get unlimited Broadband (1.5MB) for about $80 a month which is quite cheap considering i could dl as many gigs a day as i want

[Unafraid Cheese]

:( For me to make any comment about this would be stupid of me but, I feel that i should point out just one thing.

GET OUT MORE U SADOS

phew ;) I feel so much better now

Unafraidcheese :w00t:

[dave]

Originally posted by harrycary@25 April 2003 - 05:01
There is no way possible to hide your IP address from your ISP. They monitor and log how often/long you are online. Anything you do must go through their servers first. Using a proxy server will do no good.

That's not what I was trying to say. You encrypt the records to stop your ISP from reading them. You use a proxy to hide your IP from the person downloading/uploading.

[Ma5t3rM1nD]

Well if I received a message like that from mah ISP I would totally drop my nuts and run into another country and hide for the next few years :o :blink: . But anyway when you get one of those letters it's always just a warning the frist time. If your caught doing it again then chance's are you will just be booted off your ISP. For anyone worried that this could be the end of p2p well I'm telling you right now don't be worried. Legal action is only taken in serve case's when "pirates" are caught selling these things and making huge profit from selling it that's like thousands of dollars not a measly $5 from a friend. "Pirates" sell these things in Markets will the fake packets to match. I ain't 100% on what happens when you are caught illegally sharing copyrighted material on file sharing programs but downloading the files you can never get in trouble though. Because they can never prove that the file you were downloading was the actual file in question. You could just make up it was a totally different renamed fake file with the same length in bytes B) . It doesn't even matter if they have screenshots of you downloading it you still have a excuse. Also guess what illegal copyrighted files never orginate from p2p. Downloading of these files has been going on for years before p2p warez,mIRC,ftp etc . . . Have been around for years and still are even with many many threats of these types of things been shut down look at were we are now it is more popular than ever. So what I am trying to save downloading of copyrighted material will be around forever with or without file sharing part of it. Now what the fuck am I going on about this was a totally different subject then to what I typed :huh:

[slick nick]

I'd like to point out when I put try anonymizer it wasn't to hide your ip from your isp. That's to hide it from people likethe riaa who for some strange reason tuesday were trying to connect to my computer on emule of all places. Anonymizer stops your ip from being viewed that way by them. Your isp as long as you're not download illegal porn or something doesn't really give a shit.

[kAb]

why o why would she tell them that she is downloading movies from kazaa?!

[Jibbler]

The letter is a well known hoax, don't believe a word of it. If you are buying in, you are being scammed. :huh:

[be_man31]

first of all, IMHO if the movie and cinema industry wasn't so damn greedy and the prices of movie rentals and movie's in the cinema's were lower, then probably half of us wouldn't feel the need to D/L movies off of kazaa or whereever! 2) that goes without saying the music industy is so damn greedy that the artist aren't getting what they deserve for thier recordings, and the fabricators of cd's is charging double what it costs to make the cd's. of coarse there will always be people that want everything for free but thats another story. the way I feel is that the movie and music industries want to take me for a ride then I'll take em for a ride too! and thats jsut my 2cents. :lol:

[imported_stg1123]

OK Mr. Jibbler,
You say it's a hoax? call them up on Monday morning here is the number,
2129259997
i just did and got the voice mail saying that they are the leading anti internet piracy company,intelligent comments are accepted here but not nonsense and this letter is definitely not a hoax. why is it so hard for you to imagine a company scouring kazaa on behalf of a major film company?
for columbia its not such a big investment compared to how much they invested in the film and i guarantee you that many people have stopped sharing it because they got this letter. Anyone who thinks this letter is fake is living in a dream world. Come back to reality guys, as much as it is fun and easier than going to the movies it is still illegal from where the film companies are standing. Doesnt stop me from doing it though, I suppose thats the advantage of living in this Brave New World
B) B) B)

[ToraBoraDweller]

If you look regular in this section you'll find many similar topics.
By viewing it then from a broader perspective it boils down to
a new form of spam :lawyer-generated spam !!
Since you live in a different country I wouldn't worry in the least.
They are hardly going to extradite ppl for things like this' :lol:

[Z]

Originally posted by stg1123@25 April 2003 - 03:03
Z,
I actually live in Israel.
And it may surprise you to know that with regards to the internet over here things are very liberal and open. Our ISP would never have done any thing about this kind of problem if they hadn't received the letter from the film company. You know I get unlimited Broadband (1.5MB) for about $80 a month which is quite cheap considering i could dl as many gigs a day as i want
ok so you live in israel! so we shouldnt be worried over here (im in canada). i didnt even know production companies monitered things like that. how did they do it, anyways, if the isp didnt find it first?

[imported_stg1123]

how they did it is very simple. They started to download Anger Management and they recorded every different ip sharing it and probably are still doing the same thing, jumping from node to node and writing the same letter to millions of isp's. Come to think of it it's a great idea for making a business :D anyone interested? B)

[Z]

wow. i wouldnt think they would even waste time with that crap. does your isp even care?

[SHIFTY]

LOL this is hilarious, they have gotten "professional" about it. its a JOKE, ignore it, dont respond, its happening to everyone, my friend has gotten 4 of them and hasn&#39;t responded, its just mail bombing. NOT REAL, its too scare you, my friend received his on his work PC and he has never downloadedeven legal mp3&#39;s let along KMD or Kazaa, IRC (any file sahring thing) never even downloaded anything but recaived emails, on his work account and he stll received this, i got one on my TAFE email account saying that they had tracked me using "ëmule" to download games and i havent ever used any p2p or downloaded anything at all except Trailers(legal files) from websites, PLUS< wheres the proof, my friend from TAFE tried using IRC on a Tafe PC and it doesnt even work, so they have nothing against me. so its all a load of CRAP> dont reply, just block them and leave it at that.

[Z]

the ip they used in the letter, did you check that with your real one? or does it change for you? it should be the same or close to it, right?

[rastilin]

It&#39;s relatively easy to get someone&#39;s Ip, the fact that the ip is true doese&#39;nt mean much. The fact that so many people have recived the letters means that the ip is most likely false though.

[toddiscool]

I work for an ISP (time warner) given i am not in the front office but if there where ant real policies on the isp&#39;s behalf I would know. Dont get to worried is what I mean.

[SHIFTY]

Originally posted by toddiscool@27 April 2003 - 11:22
I work for an ISP (time warner) given i am not in the front office but if there where ant real policies on the isp&#39;s behalf I would know. Dont get to worried is what I mean.
i agree, i&#39;d just block it out, keep downloading, dont let this crap stop you, fight back, we want prices on products to go down, its unfair, a game for &#036;100 AUS (&#036;54 US) its ridiculous, cds are ridiculous also, so dont worry about it,

[clocker]

Originally posted by SHIFTY@27 April 2003 - 07:19

i agree, i&#39;d just block it out, keep downloading, dont let this crap stop you, fight back, we want prices on products to go down, its unfair, a game for &#036;100 AUS (&#036;54 US) its ridiculous, cds are ridiculous also, so dont worry about it,
Okay Shifty, I have a question for you ( or anyone else who cares to respond )...

If your main complaint is that prices are too high, at what price level would you BUY these products and stop dl&#39;ing them for FREE on a p2p network?

[UrbanS0ldier]

OK, now for every one that thinks this is fake needs to wise up. Im not sure about the MPAA and stuff sending mail directly to you but when i was sharing Lord of the rings when it was popular my Att Broadband sent me a simalar e-mail and also suspended my connection for a day. To get it back i had to call there legal department where they told me that they don&#39;t really care what i do as long as i don&#39;t upload copyrighted stuff because the RIAA and MPAA are really getting on them to do somthing.

[mlsbbe]

Yes, just ignore them and download as much movies as you can to piss them off. That&#39;s what I would do. To think they are up to such cheap tactics.

[UrbanS0ldier]

oh yeah i forgot to add that att had some kind of 3 strike policy where the 1st is just a day suspend the 2nd is a week and the 3rd you get termanated. atleast thats what he said

[TRshady]

Originally posted by clocker@27 April 2003 - 15:47
If your main complaint is that prices are too high, at what price level would you BUY these products and stop dl&#39;ing them for FREE on a p2p network?
I agree with shifty, If prices were cheaper I would rather buy then download, because that way I&#39;d know it fully works, I get a unique cd-key (online playing), a manual, problem free playing (cracks, corrupt&#092;missing files) and its nice as a package (with box).

If prices were £20 a game and around £6 an album, then yes without a doubt I would buy purchase instead of download.

[MagicNakor]

Originally posted by UrbanS0ldier@27 April 2003 - 17:50
OK, now for every one that thinks this is fake needs to wise up. Im not sure about the MPAA and stuff sending mail directly to you but when i was sharing Lord of the rings when it was popular my Att Broadband sent me a simalar e-mail and also suspended my connection for a day. To get it back i had to call there legal department where they told me that they don&#39;t really care what i do as long as i don&#39;t upload copyrighted stuff because the RIAA and MPAA are really getting on them to do somthing.
Certain ISPs have sent out letters. That letter, in this thread, is a fake.

:ninja:

[SHIFTY]

well if prices were around &#036;10 AUS (&#036;5US) for music cd&#39;s id immediately stop pirating them. and if games were around &#036;30 AUS (&#036;15US) id do the same with games, and software, they could never stop me, its pathetic, VB studio 6.0 enterprise &#036;3000 AUS (&#036;1500 US) its unnacceptable, so i wouldnt have a clue what price it would have to go down to for me to actually purchase it, i think all software should be opensource and free at the moment. human knowledge belongs to the world, not Microsoft.

[imported_stg1123]

I am still confused. Whether it is a fake or not I am not sure, I think that the letter was really sent as a complaint to my isp from a media piracy company, of that I am sure. What I am confused about right now is whether she had really downloaded a real version of anger management or not. Having tried myself to download it now that i have dsl back I can see that it isn&#39;t such an easy film to get and she probably downloaded Mr. Deeds which has been successfully renamed as Anger Management, so in fact its not as simple as I thought, anyway has anyone actually called the company up and done a little detective work? I might have to do it myself, someone else do it as well.

[chrhein]

Originally posted by stg1123@27 April 2003 - 02:00
OK Mr. Jibbler,
You say it&#39;s a hoax? call them up on Monday morning here is the number,
2129259997
i just did and got the voice mail saying that they are the leading anti internet piracy company,intelligent comments are accepted here but not nonsense and this letter is definitely not a hoax. why is it so hard for you to imagine a company scouring kazaa on behalf of a major film company?
for columbia its not such a big investment compared to how much they invested in the film and i guarantee you that many people have stopped sharing it because they got this letter. Anyone who thinks this letter is fake is living in a dream world. Come back to reality guys, as much as it is fun and easier than going to the movies it is still illegal from where the film companies are standing. Doesnt stop me from doing it though, I suppose thats the advantage of living in this Brave New World
B) B) B)
well in Denmark we have a company, a Anti Piracy thing, they have 5 people working full time just searching kazaa and finding Danish users, and when they do, they send out bills. I hear they charge 5 &#036; per mp3, and 50 &#036; per movie they find. Thats why i use the privacy option, so they cant se my shared folder &#33;

[Jibbler]

Originally posted by stg1123@26 April 2003 - 21:00
OK Mr. Jibbler,
You say it&#39;s a hoax? call them up on Monday morning here is the number,
2129259997
i just did and got the voice mail saying that they are the leading anti internet piracy company,intelligent comments are accepted here but not nonsense and this letter is definitely not a hoax. why is it so hard for you to imagine a company scouring kazaa on behalf of a major film company?
for columbia its not such a big investment compared to how much they invested in the film and i guarantee you that many people have stopped sharing it because they got this letter. Anyone who thinks this letter is fake is living in a dream world.
Uh yeah. Want my home phone number? I&#39;ve got a great voicemail message on there. The company whom you describe as being "the leading anti-internet piracy company", doesn&#39;t even have a public website or web reference anywhere to prove their legitimacy.

The details in the letter aren&#39;t accurate. This is fact. The movie is a Sony Pictures production, not a Columbia Pictures production as the letter stated. I questioned this weeks ago, but you have no explanation for this HUGE error. Why can&#39;t you explain it? You are full of shit. You need to prove that its real, not the other way around.

Last but not least, this "company" that you quote in the letter, is also fake. I called the number, and it rings to Media Century not Media Force as the letter describes. This is the same hoax/urban legend that has been circulating around the internet for years.

You should be banned from this forum and treated like the lying bastard that you are.

Either way, your posts are mainly in the Lounge, and you lack the credibility that our senior members have. When you start contributing to this forum on a regular basis, then maybe I&#39;ll consider your opinion to be worth more than the soapbox you&#39;re standing on. Your posts here are not constructive or helpful. :huh:

Edit: removed some flaming, left the rest for entertainment

[ugluk]

Originally posted by clocker+27 April 2003 - 17:47--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 27 April 2003 - 17:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--SHIFTY@27 April 2003 - 07:19

i agree, i&#39;d just block it out, keep downloading, dont let this crap stop you, fight back, we want prices on products to go down, its unfair, a game for &#036;100 AUS (&#036;54 US) its ridiculous, cds are ridiculous also, so dont worry about it,
Okay Shifty, I have a question for you ( or anyone else who cares to respond )...

If your main complaint is that prices are too high, at what price level would you BUY these products and stop dl&#39;ing them for FREE on a p2p network? [/b][/quote]
I only download games to try them out. like a massive demo&#33; if i don&#39;t like the game i delete it. if i like it i buy it. (a new game costs ~50 US&#036; here) i buy it because i like to own the bloody box and the usually useless manual. i don&#39;t know why but i really care about having them&#33;&#33; :lol:

besides. if it&#39;s a great game, i want the creators to get money.
music CD:s however, i cannot afford. i&#39;d have to stop buying games first, and NO WAY&#33;&#33;
the price for music is ridiculous. agreed, &#036;50 for a game is too much too, but i can live with it. (i&#39;d rather pay like &#036;30 ofcourse)

DVD:s are too expensive aswell. i still buy about 4 a month anyway, but i also download around 40 a month... if they would be cheaper, i could buy maybe 10 instead. i would most definatley still download ~40 rips anyway&#33; :P (no i don&#39;t mean 40 movies. that includes DVD-rips of TV-shows as well. i also download about oh, say 20 TV-rips a month. and hey&#33;&#33; i can get TV for free&#33; yes, really. :rolleyes: )