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captain_azad

03-24-2006, 11:05 PM

Amid all the turmoil these days, it's good to hear news like this. Don't know if it's been posted yet, but I'm glad that they're ok now:

(CP) - Two former Canadian hostages could be heading home as early as Saturday after marking their second day of freedom Friday with a maple-leaf-decorated cake to mark one of their birthdays, an offical with the Christian Peacemaker Teams said.

"They said they have tentative plans for leaving tomorrow (Saturday)," Anita David told The Canadian Press from Baghdad. David said she assumed James Loney, 41, would be headed to his native Toronto and Harmeet Sooden, 33, would go to his home in New Zealand.

Both Canadians were resting at a location in Baghdad that David referred to as the Canadian embassy building.

"They were at the residence of the British ambassador for the evening - they stayed there overnight and for breakfast this morning with fresh orange juice," she said

"They're fine, they're well fed, they're tired," David added.

Friday was Harmeet's 33rd birthday and David said there was a moment of celebration for him.

"We had a white cake with a pink Canadian maple leaf in the middle of the cake," said David.

Both Canadians, said David, are "deeply grateful to all those who worked for them and prayed for their release."

"Their heads are swirling," she said.

The rescue Thursday of the Canadians and a British hostage was a "textbook operation from start to finish," Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay said Friday.

Loney, Sooden, and Norman Kember, 74, of London, were abducted at gunpoint on the streets of Baghdad on Nov. 26. The bullet-riddled body of a fourth hostage, American Tom Fox, was found on the streets of Baghdad two weeks ago.

All four were in Iraq working for Christian Peacemaker Teams.

The hostages were rescued by coalition forces and a source has told The Canadian Press that members of Canada's special forces, known as JTF-2, played a role. However, MacKay would not provide any information about the role of the Canadian military in the hostage rescue.

"We don't get into the discussion around tactical or operations details," he said.

"It was an international effort, there were obviously several governments involved (and) Canadian officials were involved throughout the process."

Peter Van Loan, parliamentary secretary to MacKay, said on Thursday that Canada's involvement on the ground "included some Canadian forces in a very limited way, but that was focused on this rescue operation."

MacKay said he was delighted to have made the phone calls to tell the hostages' families of their rescue.

"It was absolutely the best call that I've made in my short time in office," MacKay said. "Hearing the pure joy in their voices - this was a very tense and trying ordeal for them - it's truly a miraculous story."

linkage: http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=364062dd-d49c-43da-be4c-c874c39a616f&k=96983

After praising the international rescue operation, Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay urged Canadians not to "put their lives at risk."

Appearing on AM Friday, MacKay said: "I can understand the motivation and the will to do good, but ... we would always prefer that Canadians not go to places where hostage taking is at play."

Officials have revealed few details of the rescue effort, but it is known that none of the captors were present, no shots were fired and no-one was injured.

Although not officially acknowledged by Ottawa, the Canadian military's elite JTF2, a special forces unit, joined British and U.S. troops in the mission.

U.S. Army Gen. Rick Lynch said in Baghdad that coalition forces were tipped off to where the hostages were by someone captured Wednesday night.

The rescue in an empty house northwest of the capital at about 8 a.m. local time Thursday occurred within three hours of that tip, Lynch said.

In Toronto, the co-director of Christian Peacemaker Teams expressed delight the three had been released without violence. "There were indeed no gunshots fired," Doug Pritchard told reporters Thursday.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said in London that rescue planning had been in the works for "weeks and weeks."

The four men were abducted on Nov. 26 by a previously unknown group calling itself the 'Swords of Righteousness Brigade'.

The group had issued threats to kill the men if the U.S. and Iraqi authorities did not meet their demand of releasing all Iraqi prisoners.

linkage:
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060323/canadian_aid_hostages_060324

vidcc

03-25-2006, 01:23 AM

I haven't read or seen much on the news about this, other than them being rescued.(not been able to watch much tv the last couple days) I have read a lot of criticism about ingratitude for their rescuers. Like this (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11961531/#060324a)

Still It is very good news and the only important thing is they are safe and well.

j2k4

03-25-2006, 01:50 AM

lynx

03-25-2006, 10:05 AM

Carcinus

03-25-2006, 01:35 PM

Glad they're well (even though one was lost; an American, I think), but I wonder how much time these people spend protesting conflicts that do not involve the U.S.?

Seriously.

I mean, where were they when Saddam was in power?

Were they in Somalia?

Rwanda?

Are they in the Sudan?What gives you the idea they were protesting? Oh, sorry, Fox News no doubt.

They were actually there attempting to provide relief aid, is that concept beyond you or did you simply feel an overwhelming need to provide another inappropriate and inaccurate political comment?

The hostages were part of the Christian Peacemaker Teams, aiming to promote peace in regions of conflict by spreading the word of god. How on earth they expected to not attract trouble by doing this in Iraq is beyond me. I heard a spokewomen on the radio defending their presence in the area. She said a lot about believing they were doing good and reducing violent conflict, but was unable to quantify this with figures or examples.

Christian Peacemaker are not a relief organisation. As far as I am aware they do not provide aid to the people of Iraq, other than promoting the word of a christian god in a predominately muslim society. Their motto is "Committed to reducing violence by getting in the way".

Norman Kember went to Iraq with CPT to "provide a Christian British solidarity" and to promote peace. I have no argument with promoting peace but I think the actions of this organisation are naive and foolhardy in the extreme. They end up risking the lives of the people who protect/rescue them and do no real good faffing about in a warzone talking about God and getting in the way. They now say that any future military aid in similar situations is unwelcome. Gratitude or what. They'd do better spreading their message from afar and leaving the real, valuable, and responsible aid organisations to it.

http://cpt.org/index.html

j2k4

03-25-2006, 03:13 PM

What gives you the idea they were protesting? Oh, sorry, Fox News no doubt.

They were actually there attempting to provide relief aid, is that concept beyond you or did you simply feel an overwhelming need to provide another inappropriate and inaccurate political comment?

The hostages were part of the Christian Peacemaker Teams, aiming to promote peace in regions of conflict by spreading the word of god. How on earth they expected to not attract trouble by doing this in Iraq is beyond me. I heard a spokewomen on the radio defending their presence in the area. She said a lot about believing they were doing good and reducing violent conflict, but was unable to quantify this with figures or examples.

Christian Peacemaker are not a relief organisation. As far as I am aware they do not provide aid to the people of Iraq, other than promoting the word of a christian god in a predominately muslim society. Their motto is "Committed to reducing violence by getting in the way".

Norman Kember went to Iraq with CPT to "provide a Christian British solidarity" and to promote peace. I have no argument with promoting peace but I think the actions of this organisation are naive and foolhardy in the extreme. They end up risking the lives of the people who protect/rescue them and do no real good faffing about in a warzone talking about God and getting in the way. They now say that any future military aid in similar situations is unwelcome. Gratitude or what. They'd do better spreading their message from afar and leaving the real, valuable, and responsible aid organisations to it.

http://cpt.org/index.html

Thank you for that clarification, Carcinus. ;)

lynx-

I won't fuck about with your stated preference for exchanging PMs when dealing with such conflicts as you apparently continue to have with me.

Once again, you choose to make distinctly un-mod-like noises when you post in response to my posting.

I am, in general, a huge fan of the moderating team here, and I remain tremendously impressed with your knowledge of computors and willingness to share same.

But as a moderator, you suck.

Somebody quote this before it and everything else I've ever posted here disappears again, please?

JPaul

03-25-2006, 03:22 PM

The hostages were part of the Christian Peacemaker Teams, aiming to promote peace in regions of conflict by spreading the word of god. How on earth they expected to not attract trouble by doing this in Iraq is beyond me. I heard a spokewomen on the radio defending their presence in the area. She said a lot about believing they were doing good and reducing violent conflict, but was unable to quantify this with figures or examples.

Christian Peacemaker are not a relief organisation. As far as I am aware they do not provide aid to the people of Iraq, other than promoting the word of a christian god in a predominately muslim society. Their motto is "Committed to reducing violence by getting in the way".

Norman Kember went to Iraq with CPT to "provide a Christian British solidarity" and to promote peace. I have no argument with promoting peace but I think the actions of this organisation are naive and foolhardy in the extreme. They end up risking the lives of the people who protect/rescue them and do no real good faffing about in a warzone talking about God and getting in the way. They now say that any future military aid in similar situations is unwelcome. Gratitude or what. They'd do better spreading their message from afar and leaving the real, valuable, and responsible aid organisations to it.

http://cpt.org/index.html

Thank you for that clarification, Carcinus. ;)

lynx-

I won't fuck about with your stated preference for exchanging PMs when dealing with such conflicts as you apparently continue to have with me.

Once again, you choose to make distinctly un-mod-like noises when you post in response to my posting.

I am, in general, a huge fan of the moderating team here, and I remain tremendously impressed with your knowledge of computors and willingness to share same.

But as a moderator, you suck.

Somebody quote this before it and everything else I've ever posted here disappears again, please?

Why on Earth would it disappear. Is there an error in the database.

j2k4

03-25-2006, 03:35 PM

Is there an error in the database.

The database?

No, the database is fine.

For now, anyway.

JPaul

03-25-2006, 03:36 PM

Is there an error in the database.

The database?

No, the database is fine.

For now, anyway.
Oh, right. A disturbance in the Force then.

I hate it when that happens.

j2k4

03-25-2006, 03:51 PM

The database?

No, the database is fine.

For now, anyway.
Oh, right. A disturbance in the Force then.

I hate it when that happens.

Me, too, but the world is not perfect.

One ponders the possibilities, though...:huh:

maebach

03-25-2006, 09:57 PM

The hostages were part of the Christian Peacemaker Teams, aiming to promote peace in regions of conflict by spreading the word of god. How on earth they expected to not attract trouble by doing this in Iraq is beyond me.
http://cpt.org/index.html

so true. that's what I thought when I heard they got captured, I was like "wtf? they know they're gonna die soon.".

lynx

03-26-2006, 12:12 AM

The hostages were part of the Christian Peacemaker Teams, aiming to promote peace in regions of conflict by spreading the word of god. How on earth they expected to not attract trouble by doing this in Iraq is beyond me. I heard a spokewomen on the radio defending their presence in the area. She said a lot about believing they were doing good and reducing violent conflict, but was unable to quantify this with figures or examples.

Christian Peacemaker are not a relief organisation. As far as I am aware they do not provide aid to the people of Iraq, other than promoting the word of a christian god in a predominately muslim society. Their motto is "Committed to reducing violence by getting in the way".

Norman Kember went to Iraq with CPT to "provide a Christian British solidarity" and to promote peace. I have no argument with promoting peace but I think the actions of this organisation are naive and foolhardy in the extreme. They end up risking the lives of the people who protect/rescue them and do no real good faffing about in a warzone talking about God and getting in the way. They now say that any future military aid in similar situations is unwelcome. Gratitude or what. They'd do better spreading their message from afar and leaving the real, valuable, and responsible aid organisations to it.

http://cpt.org/index.html

Thank you for that clarification, Carcinus. ;)

lynx-

I won't fuck about with your stated preference for exchanging PMs when dealing with such conflicts as you apparently continue to have with me.

Once again, you choose to make distinctly un-mod-like noises when you post in response to my posting.

I am, in general, a huge fan of the moderating team here, and I remain tremendously impressed with your knowledge of computors and willingness to share same.

But as a moderator, you suck.

Somebody quote this before it and everything else I've ever posted here disappears again, please?
I see.

Seems to me that you are saying that I can't disagree with your erroneous statements because I'm a mod?

Well fuck you, and your repeated insinuations that I removed your posts. Post garbage and I'll expose it.

You repeatedly bring up suggestions that people only object to US actions and ignore attrocities elsewhere, when in fact you have absolutely no evidence to support your garbage. This was supposed to be a thread about good news, but you've tried to turn it into a "they are attacking America" thread.

It's hardly surprising that there's a general undercurrent that America isn't good when you go you of your way to attract that sort of criticism.

j2k4

03-26-2006, 01:11 AM

Thank you for that clarification, Carcinus. ;)

lynx-

I won't fuck about with your stated preference for exchanging PMs when dealing with such conflicts as you apparently continue to have with me.

Once again, you choose to make distinctly un-mod-like noises when you post in response to my posting.

I am, in general, a huge fan of the moderating team here, and I remain tremendously impressed with your knowledge of computors and willingness to share same.

But as a moderator, you suck.

Somebody quote this before it and everything else I've ever posted here disappears again, please?
I see.

Seems to me that you are saying that I can't disagree with your erroneous statements because I'm a mod?

Well fuck you, and your repeated insinuations that I removed your posts. Post garbage and I'll expose it.

You repeatedly bring up suggestions that people only object to US actions and ignore attrocities elsewhere, when in fact you have absolutely no evidence to support your garbage. This was supposed to be a thread about good news, but you've tried to turn it into a "they are attacking America" thread.

It's hardly surprising that there's a general undercurrent that America isn't good when you go you of your way to attract that sort of criticism.

I must say that you seem to believe my posting to be so disagreeable you would foreclose my prerogative to disagree in favor of your own, lynx.

As to the missing postage, mystery left the room long ago, and, since I stated my beliefs even more clearly a while back without prompting the least comment or action from you (PM or otherwise), I can only assume you were acknowledging your guilt and/or hoping no one else was reading the thread.

Don't couch your sentiments as part of the "large and overwhelming" hatred of the U.S., either; the tone you evince is your own, and has only to do with me.

This is not a secret.

lynx

03-26-2006, 01:22 AM

I see.

Seems to me that you are saying that I can't disagree with your erroneous statements because I'm a mod?

Well fuck you, and your repeated insinuations that I removed your posts. Post garbage and I'll expose it.

You repeatedly bring up suggestions that people only object to US actions and ignore attrocities elsewhere, when in fact you have absolutely no evidence to support your garbage. This was supposed to be a thread about good news, but you've tried to turn it into a "they are attacking America" thread.

It's hardly surprising that there's a general undercurrent that America isn't good when you go you of your way to attract that sort of criticism.

I must say that you seem to believe my posting to be so disagreeable you would foreclose my prerogative to disagree in favor of your own, lynx.

As to the missing postage, mystery left the room long ago, and, since I stated my beliefs even more clearly a while back without prompting the least comment or action from you (PM or otherwise), I can only assume you were acknowledging your guilt and/or hoping no one else was reading the thread.
Since you want to make this public, I'll do the same. If you made those comments in the real world you'd have been in court long ago. The only reason I've kept quiet was for peace on the board, but I'm not willing to put up with your shit any longer.

Don't couch your sentiments as part of the "large and overwhelming" hatred of the U.S., either; the tone you evince is your own, and has only to do with me.

This is not a secret.Where did you get "large and overwhelming", I simply mentioned an undercurrent. You don't like the fact that I've worked out how to counter your fallacious arguments, so you try to pretend it is personal. I'm not buying.

j2k4

03-26-2006, 01:37 AM

I must say that you seem to believe my posting to be so disagreeable you would foreclose my prerogative to disagree in favor of your own, lynx.

As to the missing postage, mystery left the room long ago, and, since I stated my beliefs even more clearly a while back without prompting the least comment or action from you (PM or otherwise), I can only assume you were acknowledging your guilt and/or hoping no one else was reading the thread.
Since you want to make this public, I'll do the same. If you made those comments in the real world you'd have been in court long ago. The only reason I've kept quiet was for peace on the board, but I'm not willing to put up with your shit any longer.

Don't couch your sentiments as part of the "large and overwhelming" hatred of the U.S., either; the tone you evince is your own, and has only to do with me.

This is not a secret.Where did you get "large and overwhelming", I simply mentioned an undercurrent. You don't like the fact that I've worked out how to counter your fallacious arguments, so you try to pretend it is personal. I'm not buying.

Neither am I selling.

You have an animus-that is plain, and that it is directed at me is plain also.

I'm done with this.

Carcinus

03-26-2006, 11:20 AM

Thank you for that clarification, Carcinus. ;)

lynx-

I won't fuck about with your stated preference for exchanging PMs when dealing with such conflicts as you apparently continue to have with me.

Once again, you choose to make distinctly un-mod-like noises when you post in response to my posting.

I am, in general, a huge fan of the moderating team here, and I remain tremendously impressed with your knowledge of computors and willingness to share same.

But as a moderator, you suck.

Somebody quote this before it and everything else I've ever posted here disappears again, please?
I see.

Seems to me that you are saying that I can't disagree with your erroneous statements because I'm a mod?

Well fuck you, and your repeated insinuations that I removed your posts. Post garbage and I'll expose it.

You repeatedly bring up suggestions that people only object to US actions and ignore attrocities elsewhere, when in fact you have absolutely no evidence to support your garbage. This was supposed to be a thread about good news, but you've tried to turn it into a "they are attacking America" thread.

It's hardly surprising that there's a general undercurrent that America isn't good when you go you of your way to attract that sort of criticism.

I didn't get that impression from his post, and you as a mod should know better than to take out your personal grievences with this member in a drawing room thread. For one it's not good manners, and for another it's off topic.

lynx

03-26-2006, 05:32 PM

I see.

Seems to me that you are saying that I can't disagree with your erroneous statements because I'm a mod?

Well fuck you, and your repeated insinuations that I removed your posts. Post garbage and I'll expose it.

You repeatedly bring up suggestions that people only object to US actions and ignore attrocities elsewhere, when in fact you have absolutely no evidence to support your garbage. This was supposed to be a thread about good news, but you've tried to turn it into a "they are attacking America" thread.

It's hardly surprising that there's a general undercurrent that America isn't good when you go you of your way to attract that sort of criticism.

I didn't get that impression from his post, and you as a mod should know better than to take out your personal grievences with this member in a drawing room thread. For one it's not good manners, and for another it's off topic.Go back and read this and several other threads again, you'll find the first off-topic attacks and insinuations that I've removed his posts have come from J2K4.

I haven't raised the issue before for the sake of peace on the board, but there comes a time when enough is enough. It seems that by not objecting to his unfounded remarks in the past that I've somehow accepted liability for the mass deletion of his posts, even though that's not and never has been within the capabilities of a mod.

Finally, I initially raised my objections in a PM, but that wasn't enough for J2K4 and he prefered to air this in public. Are you suggesting that once again I should just keep quiet and allow him to continue to bad-mouth me? I think not.

Edit: I offer the above simply as the chain of events as I see them, not as a comment on J2K4. It is my understanding that he has discussed the deletion of posts issue with another mod who has explained the position. I consider the matter closed, whether J2K4 agrees is up to him.

Busyman

03-27-2006, 12:03 AM

Goodness.

j2 made comment, lynx made a very incorrect response (pwnage by Carcinus), j2 brings out some inappropriate dirty laundry and unproven allegations...can we move on?

GepperRankins

03-27-2006, 02:33 AM

Busyman

03-27-2006, 05:00 AM

The hostages were part of the Christian Peacemaker Teams, aiming to promote peace in regions of conflict by spreading the word of god. How on earth they expected to not attract trouble by doing this in Iraq is beyond me.
http://cpt.org/index.html

so true. that's what I thought when I heard they got captured, I was like "wtf? they know they're gonna die soon.".
Weird an sort of off the subject but the last episode of The Unit had "President Palmer" having to rescue some folks like this.:lol: :lol: