A message to the americans:

[leonidas]

Ok so, 15 years ago the United States won the cold war against the USSR.
Since that, no one seems to need to proove anything as one ideologie has been either accepted or imposed to the whole world. So no more apollo, no more soyouz to show the world what the people of a country are capable to accomplish.
So what do we do know? Now that the world is governrened by duches. Now that we don't look foward for fights and conquest, but at our bills and cars, where is the american pionner spirit? When do we start thinking about settling on mars or venus? It is my feeling that the human destiny isn't only about pleasing your wives and produce psp to kill the time playing with it. Or maybe it's just me. When do we free ourselves and start to have faith in our future, in what we can accomplish, instead of letting people in their misery having faith in those fake gods because they are basically affraid of life.
Americans wanted the world working by their rules, they have got it. What are they going to do with it? I Hope you'll get the spirit of my point and won't feel attacked, I know you like your country, and I too think it's great in many ways.

[Guillaume]

It is my feeling that the human destiny isn't only about pleasing your wives and produce psp to kill the time playing with it. Or maybe it's just me.
Probably.
I'm not waiting for anyone (especially americans :snooty: ) to decide what the human destiny is going to be. I intend to take an active part in it.

By the way, maybe that's what they meant when they used the expression "free world" all the time?

[vidcc]

well I planted some seeds in the front yard........if that's not optimistic I don't know what is

[lee551]

one ideology all over the world? i think earth is far from that.

[thewizeard]

..when the temperature on Venus drops to 20 degrees celsius and on Mars rises to 20 degrees celsius..then and only then will I be enticed to live on those distant planets....this is a bit too serious for the lounge..dont you think?

[leonidas]

It is my feeling that the human destiny isn't only about pleasing your wives and produce psp to kill the time playing with it. Or maybe it's just me.
Probably.
I'm not waiting for anyone (especially americans :snooty: ) to decide what the human destiny is going to be. I intend to take an active part in it.

By the way, maybe that's what they meant when they used the expression "free world" all the time?

really what do you do?


one ideology all over the world? i think earth is far from that.
No it isn't



..when the temperature on Venus drops to 20 degrees celsius and on Mars rises to 20 degrees celsius..then and only then will I be enticed to live on those distant planets....

I say wake up! & let's work on it

[vidcc]

..when the temperature on Venus drops to 20 degrees celsius and on Mars rises to 20 degrees celsius..then and only then will I be enticed to live on those distant planets....this is a bit too serious for the lounge..dont you think?

Well the USA are experts at causing global warming, so mars is looking viable :shifty:

[Guillaume]

really what do you do?
Trying to do my part on solving (some) of the problems on this world, before thinking of pionneering on another.

[Biggles]

There is talk of global hegemony but I am not entirely convinced. If anything more countries are returning left of centre "social democrat" style Governments than before.

Look at GWs allies, both Spain and Italy have ejected the Conservatives and moved to the left - Britain arguably was already there so there was nowhere for the opposition to go.

S America has become more radical not less.

Russia - if it were not for the Soyuz craft the International Space Station would be in trouble. I am not sure what system the Russians are working to - I am not sure the Russians know either. :unsure: The Sicilian model?

EU: ESA has embarked on exploration both in partnership with NASA, as in the Titan mission, and singularly, as in Mars and Venus.

I think the rest of the world has pretty much a pick and mix view on the American model. Globalisation is an issue and big American corporations are involved. However, jobs moving to China affects Americans just as much as anybody else. It is not all one way traffic.

It is perhaps questionable, therefore, what was actually won after the cold war. Peace and stability? Whatever, it was it is not directly transferable into usable leverage (to use a rather nasty term).

[Chewie]

/moved to The Drawing Room as the original post looked too serious for the lounge.
Didn't want it reduced to a spam-fest :)

[thewizeard]

..when the temperature on Venus drops to 20 degrees Celsius and on Mars rises to 20 degrees celsius..then and only then will I be enticed to live on those distant planets....this is a bit too serious for the lounge..dont you think?

Well the USA are experts at causing global warming, so mars is looking viable :shifty:

..still leaves us in a mess over Venus ..

By trying to alter climates on other worlds, we might cause an imbalance in our solar system. That might be catastrophic for Earth. I do hear what you are saying though.. I think I will go and mend my fence..I have been meaning to repair it for so long now...

edit: ouch Chewie you caused me to fall from my stool..I thought I was still in the lounge :)

[leonidas]

really what do you do?
Trying to do my part on solving (some) of the problems on this world, before thinking of pionneering on another.

Well I guess we have a different philosophy.


There is talk of global hegemony but I am not entirely convinced. If anything more countries are returning left of centre "social democrat" style Governments than before.

Look at GWs allies, both Spain and Italy have ejected the Conservatives and moved to the left - Britain arguably was already there so there was nowhere for the opposition to go.
Yes some of them even call themselves socialists. But none of them is actually questioning capitalism.

[ahctlucabbuS]

/move thread back to lounge ?


Ok so, 15 years ago the United States won the cold war against the USSR.
Since that, no one seems to need to proove anything as one ideologie has been either accepted or imposed to the whole world. So no more apollo, no more soyouz to show the world what the people of a country are capable to accomplish.
So what do we do know? Now that the world is governrened by duches. Now that we don't look foward for fights and conquest, but at our bills and cars, where is the american pionner spirit? When do we start thinking about settling on mars or venus? It is my feeling that the human destiny isn't only about pleasing your wives and produce psp to kill the time playing with it. Or maybe it's just me. When do we free ourselves and start to have faith in our future, in what we can accomplish, instead of letting people in their misery having faith in those fake gods because they are basically affraid of life.
Americans wanted the world working by their rules, they have got it. What are they going to do with it? I Hope you'll get the spirit of my point and won't feel attacked, I know you like your country, and I too think it's great in many ways.

So we need conflict and hell to progress the human race?
Bush is planning a manned mission to the moon by 2015-2020, and later to mars.

Perhaps we should look to our own planet first though... :kyoto:

[thewizeard]

With a little luck, Bush, will man those missions personally.. There really isn't much he can do out there...but don't let him know...


Perhaps we should look to our own planet first though... :kyoto: this is the way, and perhaps explore the spiritual as well as the physical :equally:

[leonidas]

My point is one should act foward, and not stand by on a self depressive analisys. One should explore, give himself the chance to be surprised. I think that's what we are, and we should go for it. Life is too short for spending it thinking. The other planetes were just an example, I'm not saying we have to travel that far, many things can be done on earth too, but the point is to look always for something new and not looking how you can make something you already have better. That's what I wanted to point out quoting the cold war. During that period of time in the mind of some peole, was something more than just everyday life maters.

I think I won't be able to make you understand what is it about. That's after all something very personal.

[Barbarossa]

The human body is too fragile to exist anywhere except Earth for any length of time. The manned Mars mission will be a disaster.

We should concentrate on transferring our consciousnesses into cyberspace, and get robots to do all the dangerous stuff :unsure:

[thewizeard]

My point is one should act foward, and not stand by on a self depressive analisys. One should explore, give himself the chance to be surprised. I think that's what we are, and we should go for it. Life is too short for spending it thinking. The other planetes were just an example, I'm not saying we have to travel that far, many things can be done on earth too, but the point is to look always for something new and not looking how you can make something you already have better. That's what I wanted to point out quoting the cold war. During that period of time in the mind of some peole, was something more than just everyday life maters.

I think I won't be able to make you understand what is it about. That's after all something very personal.

Please don't feel attacked, I think we all do hear what you are saying ..just adding to it not subtracting. Life is indeed short, but I feel, that thinking..is the most important quality that "we" possess.. and we should use that faculty to in the extreme... then when thought has reached it's logical conclusion...act!

[leonidas]

No please, don't worry I'm not feeling attacked. I'm not trying to force anyone to get my point, that's why I say it's personal. I'm just interested in figuring out what is my point's value according to other people, and if some have something interesting to bring on that subject.
Off course we have to think to, that's what makes it so nice when thanks to the performing of thinking, you can express yourself and find ways to free yourself from invisible custodies. Everything is after all basically a mater of having a bit of all, measurement & variety are the keys. All I'm saying is I feell there is not enough action nowadays and that's bad. That pretending war against terrorism for instance is a joke. How could some even call that a war? muslims are not trying to convert us as much as I know. I'd rather say it's a police operation.

[DanB]

All I'm saying is I feell there is not enough action nowadays and that's bad. That pretending war against terrorism for instance is a joke. How could some even call that a war? muslims are not trying to convert us as much as I know. I'd rather say it's a police operation.

Pardon? :huh:

I don't think there is a war against terrorism because muslims are trying to convert people, I might be wrong but I'd put my last beer on it.

[thewizeard]

Playing it safe DanB.. I bet you wouldn't put your last joint on it ;)

[leonidas]

Yes, call me stupid :)
What I wanted to point out, is that "war" isn't the appropriate word to define what is going on. Even if there is danger, it's not like there is like a big clash between two ideologies, and/or civilization.
This discussion is becoming hard as you seem afraid to focuse on what I wan't to proove. Don't worry I'm not bothering you again ;)

[CortexRock]

Isn't a war when two armies are fighting each other? [Bill Hicks]

All we've got at the moment is a powerful, resource hungry empire trying to impose it's will and way of thought on the rest of the world. And eventually, all empires fall... Fact.

All this fuss about stopping Iran having nuclear technology (let's be clear about that - technology - not weapons) is laughable. Use the excuse they're developing weapons, then invade (with or without UN sanction). Haven't we heard that one before, Mr Bush?

It's just to get a foothold in another oil rich country. Don't forget the United States of America are the only sovereign national to ever use a Weapon Of Mass Destruction against another sovereign nation.

[j2k4]

Don't forget the United States of America are the only sovereign national to ever use a Weapon Of Mass Destruction against another sovereign nation.

Yes, a context all it's own.

Please explain the significance, not of the event, but of your recollection of it.

[CortexRock]

Don't forget the United States of America are the only sovereign national to ever use a Weapon Of Mass Destruction against another sovereign nation.

Yes, a context all it's own.

Please explain the significance, not of the event, but of your recollection of it.

Obviously I don't "recall the event" as I'm not old enough to have been there - but I know what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, more than the poor buggers who were in the blast zone did, at least.

I just think it's laughable that the only nuclear/atomic weapons ever used in anger were used by the USA, and now they're trying to stop anyone else even using the technology to generate electricity.

Team America: World Police - a satire, or merely an exaggerated reflection of reality...

[j2k4]

Yes, a context all it's own.

Please explain the significance, not of the event, but of your recollection of it.

Obviously I don't "recall the event" as I'm not old enough to have been there - but I know what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, more than the poor buggers who were in the blast zone did, at least.

I just think it's laughable that the only nuclear/atomic weapons ever used in anger were used by the USA, and now they're trying to stop anyone else even using the technology to generate electricity.

Team America: World Police - a satire, or merely an exaggerated reflection of reality...

I didn't mean to indicate you were "old enough to have been there"; neither was I...

I feel your statement lacks context, though.

The U.S. was the first (and hopefully the only) country to use a nuke, true enough, but I don't believe anyone could have imagined the panoply of "WMD" including those non-nuclear types we're all so skittish about.

In fact, the worst aspect of nuclear technology (as it applies to weaponry) is not that the bombs dwarf the versions used on Japan, but that it has been scaled down, in order to be used as a means to distribute "dirty" materials over battlefield-sized areas or cities.

Unscrupulous purveyers of such technology can deal with those they like, and the likelihood of a mal-intended transaction taking place between Kim Jong-Il and the bad guys is greater than that of America's doing the same, in my opinion.

In all actuality, if the U.S.S.R. had beaten us to the punch, we'd have a different alphabet to type with, and you'd be bitching about them, wouldn't you?

The U.S. doesn't warrant the label you take such pleasure in using; the lessons were learned long ago, and nukes haven't been used (in "anger", as you say) since.

[leonidas]

In all actuality, if the U.S.S.R. had beaten us to the punch, we'd have a different alphabet to type with, and you'd be bitching about them, wouldn't you?


I know it's out of context, sorry for that, but actually what your suggesting is totally not true, you can learn cyrillic in one day, it's very simple, only few letters are new, and all off them do correspond to an existing sound in a latin alphabet like spanish.
Reading fast comes after off course, but as it is when you learn any latin or germanic language. :)

[j2k4]

In all actuality, if the U.S.S.R. had beaten us to the punch, we'd have a different alphabet to type with, and you'd be bitching about them, wouldn't you?


I know it's out of context, sorry for that, but actually what your suggesting is totally not true, you can learn cyrillic in one day, it's very simple, only few letters are new, and all off them do correspond to an existing sound in a latin alphabet like spanish.
Reading fast comes after off course, but as it is when you learn any latin or germanic language. :)

I'm quite sure it would have been just that simple.

Well, then, alack and alas; we missed quite the opportunity, yes?

[leonidas]

yes you did! but don't worry, you won't rule the world for ever :) time to improve your chinese.

[Damnatory]

In more of an on-topic gesture, I agree that the "pioneer" mentality has come to a sickening stagnation, though I fail to realize how this ideal targets Americans in specific. We as a species, not specific nations, have the obligation to further our global collective. Unfortunately that pioneering spirit, the search for the unknown, has been dulled over by politics and morals. The 'catch-22' is that we trade rapid advancement, for safety. Something that I am definately willing to trade.

My only hope is that rather than waiting for someone to decide for you, you take the option to make the difference yourself. You have just as much of an opportunity to get the education to make a difference as any American citizen.

[leonidas]

In more of an on-topic gesture, I agree that the "pioneer" mentality has come to a sickening stagnation, though I fail to realize how this ideal targets Americans in specific. We as a species, not specific nations, have the obligation to further our global collective. Unfortunately that pioneering spirit, the search for the unknown, has been dulled over by politics and morals. The 'catch-22' is that we trade rapid advancement, for safety. Something that I am definately willing to trade.

My only hope is that rather than waiting for someone to decide for you, you take the option to make the difference yourself. You have just as much of an opportunity to get the education to make a difference as any American citizen.

Nice to see someone who got my point! I agree with you. One should never wait for anyone. But asking or pointing out something which might be done doesn't mean you have to be anxious, you can manage not to.
Also, I don't think you can deny that america fought against comunism or socialism for 50 years, and managed to have it killed in many coutries.
For Americans comunism meant "nuclear menace", but you forget that every single russian was given a house or an appartment for free at that time. People didn't have to give 30 years of their life to have the right to own a appartement like most people in europe japan or usa do for instance.
For many people comunism meant something. Thanks for killing people's dream :) . Maybe next time when you want to protect youself, try not breaking someone else's. Thx mr Truman!, thx mr Kennedy!, thx mr Nickson! and thx Mr Reagan! ( I don't know much about ford and carter :) ) Now what's the program for humanity? ;) explore cosmos? "No sorry today you work at MacDonald." "Does this mean I will have free hamburgers after work?" " Yes it does!!" Great!"

[Damnatory]

I won't even pretend I'm intelligent enough to voice an opinion in rebuttal to that statement, as history and politics have never been my strong suit. Though I can't help but realize the blatant digression from what seemed a question of advancement, to what now seems to be a cause for voicing a bias vendetta.

Where exactly are you trying to go with this?

[3RA1N1AC]

cyborgs. (http://www.google.com/search?q=cyborgs+%22medical+science%22&hl=en&lr=)

and there's still a war forthcoming, when true artificial intelligence is developed and incorporated into household appliances. and we soon thereafter recognize our folly (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site%3Atheregister.co.uk+%22rise+of+the+machines%22) when said appliances rise up against us.

at which point the lizard men (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atheregister.co.uk+%22lizard+army%22&hl=en&lr=) will reveal themselves. let's welcome our reptilian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid) masters with open arms.

unfortunately, this also means that christmas will be cancelled indefinitely.

[leonidas]

I won't even pretend I'm intelligent enough to voice an opinion in rebuttal to that statement, as history and politics have never been my strong suit. Though I can't help but realize the blatant digression from what seemed a question of advancement, to what now seems to be a cause for voicing a bias vendetta.

Where exactly are you trying to go with this?


Nowere in particular right now. I'm one those who thinks it's important to know the past to understand how humanity works, and act and think taking this into account. Another boring teacher :) .
I'm not calling for vendetta, I don't think it would do any good to anyone. Maybe Just trying to have people aware maybe that's all. I think it can change the world for good when truth is not hidden. It brings trust.

[Fromagepas]

It's to do with the freedom fries thing, isn't it?

[MagicNakor]

However, there were also plenty of issues with Russia's brand of communism.

:shuriken:

[Fromagepas]

It were more totalitarianism, I think. Unfortunately I don't know what that is.

[Busyman™]

In more of an on-topic gesture, I agree that the "pioneer" mentality has come to a sickening stagnation, though I fail to realize how this ideal targets Americans in specific. We as a species, not specific nations, have the obligation to further our global collective. Unfortunately that pioneering spirit, the search for the unknown, has been dulled over by politics and morals. The 'catch-22' is that we trade rapid advancement, for safety. Something that I am definately willing to trade.

My only hope is that rather than waiting for someone to decide for you, you take the option to make the difference yourself. You have just as much of an opportunity to get the education to make a difference as any American citizen.

Nice to see someone who got my point! I agree with you. One should never wait for anyone. But asking or pointing out something which might be done doesn't mean you have to be anxious, you can manage not to.
Also, I don't think you can deny that america fought against comunism or socialism for 50 years, and managed to have it killed in many coutries.
For Americans comunism meant "nuclear menace", but you forget that every single russian was given a house or an appartment for free at that time. People didn't have to give 30 years of their life to have the right to own a appartement like most people in europe japan or usa do for instance.
For many people comunism meant something. Thanks for killing people's dream :) . Maybe next time when you want to protect youself, try not breaking someone else's. Thx mr Truman!, thx mr Kennedy!, thx mr Nickson! and thx Mr Reagan! ( I don't know much about ford and carter :) ) Now what's the program for humanity? ;) explore cosmos? "No sorry today you work at MacDonald." "Does this mean I will have free hamburgers after work?" " Yes it does!!" Great!"
Well communism does not have much room for advancement of the individual. The individual also doesn't have much of a voice either.

Maybe the basis of communism has good intentions since everyone works for the common good but that's only on paper.

I watched 60 Minutes the other day and Leslie Stahl asked a group of Chinese students (almost all boys btw) how many kids they wanted and they all said one.

Then many of them spouted Chinese doctrine about sacrificing for the country. Now this is all congruent with the population situation over there. However, the students thought Americans were selfish for having more than one kid.:unsure:

Under communism I doubt I could have a large home, work more to have more and so forth.

You think America crushed Russia's communism but I think it crushed itself.

[Fromagepas]

Under communism I doubt I could have a large home, work more to have more and so forth.

You're probably right, unless of course you needed a large home.

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

[leonidas]

You're right in your statements. I'm far from saying communism is a perfect or the best system, actually I think that a form of liberalism (Not capitalism) with public health care and rate limited benefits would be the solution. I say it's a pity, there is nothing to fight for know, and nothing to compare the capitalism system with.

China is what you can call a salvage capitalism based system. It has nothing to do with the ideas of Karl Marks.

Talking about salvage capitalism, I was watching the Sopranos few days ago, and I asked myself: " Why is America showing such a program on tv??" I mean showing the human side of killing mobs! This musn't come free of charges :) And then I realised that mafia can be seen as an extrem manifestation of capitalism. No rules but the ones to protect the business. "It's a business" always says Antony Soprano. Nice shot! now one will think: That's ok to exploit your neighbour. You know... that's business.. the only way to stay alive, and keep your dignity. And as I'm not such a bastard like Antony Soprano (whom by the way is anyway a simpathetic guy) I can go on :) like that. I like you americans when you get cute :)

[leonidas]

hum....nobody says a word. I appologize for being such a talking machine.

[manker]

hum....nobody says a word. I appologize for being such a talking machine.
Apology accepted.

You might try not posting in such horrible word-bricks - don't I remember you posting that you're a teacher of some description - that way more people are likely to reach the end of your post, rather than giving up in frustration half way thro'.

You have some interesting ideas but I get eye-aids trying to navigate your offerings.


===

The Sopranos; it's just entertainment, do you think the real mafia is like that. Of course not, and neither do 95% of the people watching it.

So, that's why America can show such a program and that's why people can watch it without it altering their moral outlook.

[Fromagepas]

He could learn a lot from Gillian. Perhaps they can get together :wub:

[leonidas]

Yes, I know The Sopranos is a fiction. My way of speaking thinking choosing the topics I'm talking about, might seem very strange, even agressive to you.

This is maybe a diference between french and american way of thinking. The tendency in France for instance to achieve things, to analyse, consist more in criticizing, in order to point out problems, and resolve them efficiently.

Actually I remember my teacher telling us when I was 8, to have what we call "esprit critique" which means thinking questioning everything.

While you seem for the litlle (or maybe the lot I don't know) I've seen of your culture, to try to think aiming to efficiency instead of perfection.

Many french think they are perfect in what they are & do, & think they have nothing to hear from anyone most of the time :)

If that's the way it is, your way is more dangerous in some ways, but definitly more human.

Some of us reject, don't accept their human side, even I not so long ago. we are nearly japaneses.
The only diference is that we speak a lot. Like I just did without much respect for others in this board indeed. Well ... :)

[Fromagepas]

Yes, I know The Sopranos is a fiction. My way of speaking thinking choosing the topics I'm talking about, might seem very strange, even agressive to you.

This is maybe a diference between french and american way of thinking. The tendency in France for instance to achieve things, to analyse, consist more in criticizing, in order to point out problems, and resolve them efficiently.


It would appear that, to your way of thinking, there are two types of people, French and American.

manker is not American, she is from West England. As such I think you owe her an apology.

[leonidas]

man, that's a lot af apologies already. But I think I owe her one anyway considering I thought she was a guy for noticing I said something smart.

I always think in terms of tendancies. It is for instance totally correct to say many whites are rich and many blacks are poor, as in that case you think in terms of tendancies.

"Tendancy" is one of numerous tools you use usually in sociology and other sciences, if you want to be able to have a valuable and organized picture of some phenomenon.

[orcutt989]

...Now that the world is governrened by duches...


Douche?

http://www.abeillestore.com/images/polenia-douche-zoom.jpg



Or Duchess??

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs2/sissy2.jpg

Which one do you mean??? :stars:

[j2k4]

...Now that the world is governrened by duches...


Douche?

http://www.abeillestore.com/images/polenia-douche-zoom.jpg



Or Duchess??

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs2/sissy2.jpg

Which one do you mean??? :stars:

Perhaps he means "Duchies"?

Plural of Duchy, BTW...

[j2k4]

It is for instance totally correct to say many whites are rich and many blacks are poor,


It would also be quite correct to say there are many more poor white people than black people-in the U.S., anyhow.

Your commendable use of "tendencies" as a tool for deductive purposes might be refined somewhat by a coincidental cogitation of the corollary regarding the focal setting of the lens through which you view them.

[Busyman]

It is for instance totally correct to say many whites are rich and many blacks are poor,


It would also be quite correct to say there are many more poor white people than black people-in the U.S., anyhow.

Your commendable use of "tendencies" as a tool for deductive purposes might be refined somewhat by a coincidental cogitation of the corollary regarding the focal setting of the lens through which you view them.
I'm going to vomit.:sick:

...or disgorge the ingredients located within my epigastrium.:ermm:

[j2k4]

It would also be quite correct to say there are many more poor white people than black people-in the U.S., anyhow.

Your commendable use of "tendencies" as a tool for deductive purposes might be refined somewhat by a coincidental cogitation of the corollary regarding the focal setting of the lens through which you view them.
I'm going to vomit.:sick:

...or disgorge the ingredients located within my epigastrium.:ermm:

:)

To quote Mark Twain, more-or-less:

"Many commentators have thrown much darkness upon the subject, and, if they continue, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

[leonidas]

It is for instance totally correct to say many whites are rich and many blacks are poor,


It would also be quite correct to say there are many more poor white people than black people-in the U.S., anyhow.

Your commendable use of "tendencies" as a tool for deductive purposes might be refined somewhat by a coincidental cogitation of the corollary regarding the focal setting of the lens through which you view them.

I assumed it was obvious I was talking about proportions, your statement focusing on the quantity only is irrelevant. declaring considering the amount, that there are more poor white people than black ones in Usa, doesn't support any usefull statement since we are not celebrating the poor bastards awards :D You are beeing sofisticated in your explanations, I think

[j2k4]

It would also be quite correct to say there are many more poor white people than black people-in the U.S., anyhow.

Your commendable use of "tendencies" as a tool for deductive purposes might be refined somewhat by a coincidental cogitation of the corollary regarding the focal setting of the lens through which you view them.

I assumed it was obvious I was talking about proportions, your statement focusing on the quantity only is irrelevant. declaring considering the amount, that there are more poor white people than black ones in Usa, doesn't support any usefull statement since we are not celebrating the poor bastards awards :D You are beeing sofisticated in your explanations, I think

Then I must say your statement as to "proportion" is incomplete, and serves a likewise incomplete argument.

[leonidas]

It would also be quite correct to say there are many more poor white people than black people-in the U.S., anyhow.

Your commendable use of "tendencies" as a tool for deductive purposes might be refined somewhat by a coincidental cogitation of the corollary regarding the focal setting of the lens through which you view them.
I'm going to vomit.:sick:

...or disgorge the ingredients located within my epigastrium.:ermm:

:D I quite, on the contrary, like that language. it mproves my english a lot.

If you know any movie or tv show in which the caracters use that kind of language, please tell me. Iwould love it!

[j2k4]

I'm going to vomit.:sick:

...or disgorge the ingredients located within my epigastrium.:ermm:

:D I quite, on the contrary, like that language. it might improve my english.

That was quite an awkward amalgam of words.

It would have rolled off the tongue more cleanly had he merely said, '...or disgorge the contents of my epigastrium'.

He'd already established the basic thrust of his comment by divulging his urge to "vomit". :)

[3RA1N1AC]

I watched 60 Minutes the other day and Leslie Stahl asked a group of Chinese students (almost all boys btw) how many kids they wanted and they all said one.

Then many of them spouted Chinese doctrine about sacrificing for the country. Now this is all congruent with the population situation over there. However, the students thought Americans were selfish for having more than one kid.:unsure:
hey, there's still plenty worse places to live in the world. just ask all those people who keep trying to escape from north korea in order to defect to china. stuff is relative shades of grey, etc.

i just saw something a little while ago (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195247,00.html) on foxnews.com, people writing what they'd say to president bush re: wiretaps & privacy if they had the chance. uh. quite a few people spouting american doctrine about "i'd gladly trade away my freedom in exchange for safety" and "why do you need privacy, if you got nothing to hide." >:/

[leonidas]

I assumed it was obvious I was talking about proportions, your statement focusing on the quantity only is irrelevant. declaring considering the amount, that there are more poor white people than black ones in Usa, doesn't support any usefull statement since we are not celebrating the poor bastards awards :D You are beeing sofisticated in your explanations, I think

Then I must say your statement as to "proportion" is incomplete, and serves a likewise incomplete argument.

Indeed, You're right.

One hardly manage to have a complete view on something. That's why one has to introduce, read, study, a subject choosing what he thinks is "the most relevant way to see it".

That's actually what makes journalists so powerfull (assuming they are not under coercition), as they have, given their status, a total control on the way they are going to talk about the subject.

The only obligation they have, (assuming they have the very minimum of integrity), is that each piece of information they provide is not a lie.

Remember the human beeing has only his 5 senses, and his limited brain. If he wants to see what's behind him, he has to choose to turn arround, and then he doesn't see anymore what's in front of him.

I'm affraid with that last sentence I discredited myself, now you are going to think I am a crasy buddah or something :)