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djhothands

05-04-2003, 12:54 PM

rap - the reason being that hiphop is the best form of exressin in music, oviosly there is shit hiphop which tends to get more exposure to none hiphop fans e.g. 50 cent, but if you were to listen to the likes of talib kweli, mos def, nas and other knowlagable rappers, you will see rap is not a music type it is a form of life

Curley

05-04-2003, 01:04 PM

Rock. I just don't see the point in rap!

NikkiD

05-04-2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN+4 May 2003 - 06:27--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FuNkY CaPrIcOrN @ 4 May 2003 - 06:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Luca_Snipes@4 May 2003 - 04:22
gotta be Rock,

and shouldn't this be in MusicWorld?
;) Yes.But the MODs are all passed out from drinking all night or just don't give a shit.

God I love this place! :D :lol: [/b][/quote]
Some of us care!! I was just sleeping... :sleeping:

Icey

05-04-2003, 01:07 PM

Gotta b ROCK! :D

Afronaut

05-04-2003, 01:08 PM

If we are talking about music, i'll say Rock,
and if we are are talking about talkshows, then, maybe Rap. :P

j/k:
-GS-

(edit:speeling)

Paul_NFFC

05-04-2003, 01:13 PM

RAP!! ROCK SUX

05-04-2003, 01:15 PM

ROCK ALL THE WAY

its music

Rap is talk watcha movie like the black guy in pulp ficftion sounds like 2pac talking ..... sorry rapping :P i cant tell the difference

and ROCK USE INSTRUMENTS and actully sing

RAP talk use drum machine does nothing for me

N£MO

05-04-2003, 01:20 PM

Silly question really.

Why limit your musical tastes by only liking one or the other.I like both as much,it just depends on my mood.

I hear alot of people saying RAP is crap but if you take your blinkers off you might be surprised.

Music is music thats all.

porkshit

05-04-2003, 01:25 PM

i mostly listen to rock type stuff and prefer rock, but sometimes feel like some rap and put it on . i nmy opinion rock is better, but rap is alright too

djhothands

05-04-2003, 01:48 PM

a lot of you have the most ignorant view i have ever seen , especially the guy saying all rappers sound like the black guy of pulp fidtion, come on thats ridiculaus, and btw another thing yes a lot of hiphop is played with instruments, e.g the roots!

how can you say rap is just talking, dumbfucks! have you never heard of rhyming patterns

anyway, go ahead and live life with ignorance, see where it gets you

05-04-2003, 01:54 PM

I didnt say the black person from pulp fiction sounds like ALL rappers I said 2pac or 1 pac coz hes got 1 testicle and what about the rap fans showing ignorance to Rock???

and I have heard of ryming pattens but there actully soung not talked

summerlinda

05-04-2003, 02:03 PM

Since this has moved to MusicWorld, i asume the question is about music......
And since Rap isnt music, there is only one answer possible......

ROCK :wub:

djhothands

05-04-2003, 02:16 PM

umm well i can apreciate rock as a music that atrracts a lot of people, even though i doont ersonally like it, but unlike you guys e.g. summerlinda your simply ignorant, saying that rap isnt music? ok then tell me exactly why it isnt music??? you guys dont understand the first thing about musc , ive bee a producer for abour 6 years now , and i mainly produce rap, but i have also produced ambient music and some rock....yes rock! versatilty is also a key to life, and since you guys like to live the ignorant way, theres not much point in me saying anything

05-04-2003, 02:21 PM

Ill tell ya why its not music

wheres the melody???
how can we write a score for it????
what notes does the vocals use???
what key do they sing in????
what dynamics has the vocalist and instrument have????
wheres the solos???
wheres the harmonies????
wheres the chorus?????
Where are the guitars ???
where are the drums????
where is any stringed arrangment????

all of this is what music is and rap has nothing of the kind

djhothands

05-04-2003, 02:31 PM

:lol: you have got to be the dumbest fuck i have ever seen!

theres a melody in most hiphop songs
they dont sing in a key becasue they 'rap'
theres plent of choruses in rap
and as fot guitar , drums and strings, well i think you will find they are the most heavily used instruments in hiphop

and anyway why should your questions define 'music' there is no set path for music, its about creativity not sticking to your guide to muisc, the limits are endless, maybe oneday you will see that

Skillian

05-04-2003, 02:32 PM

:sleeping: :sleeping:

Fools. Where are the drums and guitars in Mozart's Moonlight Sonata?

edit:
and anyway why should your questions define 'music' there is no set path for music, its about creativity not sticking to your guide to muisc, the limits are endless, maybe oneday you will see that
You got there first and said it better. ;)

05-04-2003, 02:37 PM

A melody??????????? where???????????????? its talk melody is singing not talking fuck man if melody is talking then we all are brilliant!!! that means we are practicly singing everytime we open up our mouths :lol:

U should look up what a chorus is too

and no there are no guitar and drums in mozart, however it is music lsiten to all the stringed instuments and all the orchestra arrangments it is pure genious

Skillian

05-04-2003, 02:42 PM

1. Melody is NOT singing.

2. No, YOU should look up what a chorus is.

3. Either your definitions say music has to have guitar or drums, so Mozart isn't music, or it only needs to fulfil one of those criteria in which case rap easily does that and is therefore music. Which is it?

summerlinda

05-04-2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by djhothands@4 May 2003 - 15:16
umm well i can apreciate rock as a music that atrracts a lot of people, even though i doont ersonally like it, but unlike you guys e.g. summerlinda your simply ignorant, saying that rap isnt music? ok then tell me exactly why it isnt music??? you guys dont understand the first thing about musc , ive bee a producer for abour 6 years now , and i mainly produce rap, but i have also produced ambient music and some rock....yes rock! versatilty is also a key to life, and since you guys like to live the ignorant way, theres not much point in me saying anything
Shut up.... you dont even know me, otherwise you would have known i'm just joking. I dont like rap at all, but if other people do, its fine with me, i respect everybody's choice of music.

Im NOT ignorant and i DO understand music Mister Producer!

Lightn up Ubermensch

HyE PrIdE THUG

05-04-2003, 05:21 PM

RAP

marine_aart

05-04-2003, 05:40 PM

I love them both, but rock on first place, tomorow I am going to within temptation :D

soopaman

05-04-2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by adthomp@4 May 2003 - 15:21
Ill tell ya why its not music

wheres the melody???
how can we write a score for it????
what notes does the vocals use???
what key do they sing in????
what dynamics has the vocalist and instrument have????
wheres the solos???
wheres the harmonies????
wheres the chorus?????
Where are the guitars ???
where are the drums????
where is any stringed arrangment????

all of this is what music is and rap has nothing of the kind

This level of deliberate baiting is getting to be a habit from you Adthomp. Did you not get enough attention as a child?? Listing all the musical terms you know is not going to deflect the fact that you're pretty ignorant about the subject!!
Personally I like both forms of music although Hip-Hop definately edges it for me.

"Melody, Harmonies, Chorus, Drums"??? Adthomp you crack me up saying by "talking we are in fact singing". I think you are singing out of your arse!! :lol: :P :lol:

Benno

05-04-2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by summerlinda+4 May 2003 - 16:50--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda @ 4 May 2003 - 16:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--djhothands@4 May 2003 - 15:16
umm well i can apreciate rock as a music that atrracts a lot of people, even though i doont ersonally like it, but unlike you guys e.g. summerlinda your simply ignorant, saying that rap isnt music? ok then tell me exactly why it isnt music??? you guys dont understand the first thing about musc , ive bee a producer for abour 6 years now , and i mainly produce rap, but i have also produced ambient music and some rock....yes rock! versatilty is also a key to life, and since you guys like to live the ignorant way, theres not much point in me saying anything
Shut up.... you dont even know me, otherwise you would have known i'm just joking. I dont like rap at all, but if other people do, its fine with me, i respect everybody's choice of music.

Im NOT ignorant and i DO understand music Mister Producer!

Lightn up Ubermensch[/b][/quote]
Summerlinda getting angry. :P :unsure: :D

btw Rock

Curley

05-04-2003, 09:04 PM

Guys... is there any need to throw personal insults around?? Its only music for gods sake. Everyone has differant tastes.

WeeMouse

05-04-2003, 09:10 PM

damn straight Curley!

:flame:

me don't like rap (in fact I can barely stand the likes of eminem etc) but i believe that as long as these songs are not played in my presence, then I have no right to complain about them!

porkshit

05-04-2003, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Curley@4 May 2003 - 16:04
Guys... is there any need to throw personal insults around?? Its only music for gods sake. Everyone has differant tastes.
EXACTLY. i think all these stupid topics about what genre of music is better, or who raps better than who should all stop. everybody has a different opinion.

Jayhawk

05-04-2003, 10:13 PM

i say that rock is better

Hellhammer

05-05-2003, 02:12 AM

Niether,Punk and Metal all the way

amphoteric88

05-05-2003, 02:26 AM

in rap/hip hop, instruments are used
Tupac - Dear Mama is a good example
full band on stage

05-05-2003, 02:29 AM

Why why does everyone have to insult and buse each other???? inever abused anyone I only abused Rap itself i didnt call anyone a dumbfuck or ignorant i mearly just said i hate rap i tell me SKILLion when i said Mozart is not music?????? :huh: its what started it all i was comparing what rock has and rap doesnt so think before u post BS about me!!! rap people can nock rock all they like even though i love it but u dont see me calling them ignorent thats there opinion and whats mine is mine I answed the question that was asked on the thread so why dont we all just give our own opionion without abuseing each other!!

Skillian

05-05-2003, 02:58 AM

You said rap isn't music, and thats's what everyone got annoyed about. Hip hop fans have to always put up with people expressing that very narrow minded opinion, so we tend to put our point across pretty vehemently.

Noone's gonna care if you just say you prefer rock, but you have to put up a big list of why it shouldn't even be considered music! There's no respect in that.

Like soopaman, N£MO, and other hip hop fans on this forum, I also listen to rock music, so we are more than capable of respecting that point of view. But your opinions on rap just plain suck, we all know that by now, so just don't reply on this sort of thread, or be a little more open when you write your replies.

Peace,

Skillian.

05-05-2003, 03:03 AM

thank you skillian for writing a decent post thats the sort of post u should wite without abusing me and insulting me like other people have in the past

and yes true i have no respect for rap i cant help that

amphoteric88

05-05-2003, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by Skillian@5 May 2003 - 03:58
You said rap isn't music, and thats's what everyone got annoyed about. Hip hop fans have to always put up with people expressing that very narrow minded opinion, so we tend to put our point across pretty vehemently.

Noone's gonna care if you just say you prefer rock, but you have to put up a big list of why it shouldn't even be considered music! There's no respect in that.

Like soopaman, N£MO, and other hip hop fans on this forum, I also listen to rock music, so we are more than capable of respecting that point of view. But your opinions on rap just plain suck, we all know that by now, so just don't reply on this sort of thread, or be a little more open when you write your replies.

Peace,

Skillian.
well said :D
there are a lot of narrow minded people out there who consider rap music as black people (not intended as racism) who talk about killing people and selling drugs
you have to listen to the music to appreciate that it's an artform in it's own right
plus, rap/hip hop is the most popular music in the world, so millions of people in the world can't be wrong :D

05-05-2003, 03:20 AM

Ok rap fans tell mr this what does rap have that rock doesnt????

i expect to see alot of replys at this :D

I can name 100s of things rock has that rap doesnt so name a few inlighten me abit to help me out here so that my ignorance pisses off

soopaman

05-05-2003, 03:33 AM

Human Beatboxing?? :lol:

Seriously, I don't think it's a case of what one form of music has or hasn't got. They BOTH have their own merits, I thought that had been expressed pretty well by Skillian (to name but one!), obviously I was mistaken. They are different styles of music and have different things that they bring to the "proverbial" table. I love HIP-HOP, I like it more than ROCK so I rarely post in ROCK threads. If I do, it wouldn't be to slate ROCK as a genre. There are good and bad artists in all genres of music. If you woke up to that fact you'd be less ignorant. :P

amphoteric88

05-05-2003, 03:33 AM

why does rap have to have things rock doesn't?
if it doesn't have any extra features, is it redundant as an art form?
how ignorant and small minded

05-05-2003, 03:39 AM

Its called variety

amphoteric88

05-05-2003, 03:40 AM

so rock has more variety than rap then?

05-05-2003, 03:45 AM

heh heh (http://pfft.net/stories/20030214170826.html) :lol: :lol:

Benno

05-05-2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by amphoteric88@5 May 2003 - 05:05
plus, rap/hip hop is the most popular music in the world, so millions of people in the world can't be wrong :D
really?? :blink:

Curley

05-05-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Benno+5 May 2003 - 14:25--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Benno @ 5 May 2003 - 14:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--amphoteric88@5 May 2003 - 05:05
plus, rap/hip hop is the most popular music in the world, so millions of people in the world can't be wrong  :D
really?? :blink: [/b][/quote]
No thats certainly not true, I don't know anyone who listens to it for a start!

soopaman

05-05-2003, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Curley+5 May 2003 - 14:41--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Curley @ 5 May 2003 - 14:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Benno@5 May 2003 - 14:25
<!--QuoteBegin--amphoteric88@5 May 2003 - 05:05
plus, rap/hip hop is the most popular music in the world, so millions of people in the world can't be wrong :D
really?? :blink:
No thats certainly not true, I don't know anyone who listens to it for a start! [/b][/quote]

I'd heard it was the biggest selling genre of music, globally, as well. Can't remember where I heard it though, I think it was on a music industry documentary on the TV. Although I'm a BIG Hip-Hop fan it suprised me at the time, but I suppose they wouldn't have said it if there wasn't some truth behind the statement.

As for the "variety" question: It's been answered before in this topic. I can't think of one genre of music that doesn't have some variety within it. Rap has a lot of Regional/National variety: British Hip-Hop (London Posse,Etc) sounds completely different to West Coast "Gangsta" Rap. Same as Black Sabbath sound different to Sonic Youth - they're both in the same genre of music(Rock) but have differing sounds. Classical music is another case in point!! You could go on ad-infinitum on the subject of musical variety. All forms of music have variety you'll just have to live with that Adthomp - Sorry.

If a musical genre DIDN'T have any variety it wouldn't survive very long. Hip-Hop has been around for 25 years and it has done pretty well for itself so far!! If it was stale and without variety it would've died ages ago. Long may it's success continue!! :D

insanebassman

05-05-2003, 04:44 PM

Does it fucking matter?!!? I enjoy both, depending on my mood... Stop this "better than you" shit and enjoy what different artists have to offer your fucking head!

Curley

05-05-2003, 05:48 PM

No it dosn't really matter but this is a discussion board where people should be able to talk about things without a personal flame war starting.

ripley02

05-05-2003, 07:54 PM

i gotta go rock all the way!!! i used to like rap but it just seems so overrated and most rappers are in it for a popularity contest. or to see who is "the hardest" mofo out there.

BTW what is the vote count at this point?

porkshit

05-05-2003, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by insanebassman@5 May 2003 - 11:44
Does it fucking matter?!!? I enjoy both, depending on my mood... Stop this "better than you" shit and enjoy what different artists have to offer your fucking head!
:lol: :lol: Right On!! :lol: :lol:

I hate all these topics about what gebre is better, or who raps better. They always turn into people dissing each other. they should all STOP.

05-06-2003, 02:37 AM

When i saw this thread i thought oh no!!! this will reach 100 replys!! i just knew it

No it dosn't really matter but this is a discussion board where people should be able to talk about things without a personal flame war starting.

u said it all curley.

i have arguments or they with friends and family about different topics and debates we dont go slaming each other for it

HyE PrIdE THUG

05-06-2003, 06:05 AM

RAP Always

The Great Dude

05-06-2003, 06:13 AM

I perfer Rock, but no need need to flame here. :devil: ;)

fallenknight308

05-06-2003, 07:21 AM

Oh goody, yet another "rap vs REAL music discussion"
There IS no comparison, while rap is an artform/expression it is a whole different World alltogether :ph34r:
(Go ahead flame me, I'm wearing my asbestos suit tonight) :devil: :beerchug:

05-06-2003, 07:26 AM

Im not gonna flame u u said ur point well

N£MO

05-06-2003, 07:47 AM

Some people only post in these topics to stir up trouble.

@adthomp,you got to change your title m8 from 'i dont share crap i only share the best' to 'i dont share crap but i dont share enough good music either' :lol: ...someone sharing 188 files on soulseek IMO isn't sharing enough.So get ripping :P ;)

Pitbul

05-06-2003, 07:51 AM

i prefer Rap only cuz theres more piont in the song. some rock is just stupid standing there yelling shit that doesn't make sense although i do listen to some rock.most of the rock nowadays is gay especially punk rock.just a bunch of queers hopin around on stage tryin to be cool yelling stuff u cant understand.most of u are sayin rappers talk which is compltely untrue try and produce a decent beat.then write songs that get u up in the media.and rhymeing words like "back, bat,clap,tac,and.crap" dont get u n e where.n e of you who say soemthing about another make sure u know what ur talking about.this topic is gay n e ways.but i guess stupid close minded ppl need a place too.

05-06-2003, 08:07 AM

@adthomp,you got to change your title m8 from 'i dont share crap i only share the best' to 'i dont share crap but i dont share enough good music either' ...someone sharing 188 files on soulseek IMO isn't sharing enough.So get ripping

4 things
1. what has that got to do with the thread??
2. EAC will not work for me unless u want me to share 5000 blank mp3 its ok with me
3. the minium to share on Soulseek is 100 mp3 thats what i read on this forum before I joined
4. i happen to have 10 gig worth of movie files on kazaa and my HD is full!!

and having looked at ur files nemo in soulseek it seems like u have some albums i have too so i guess u dont share enough good music either :P

summerlinda

05-06-2003, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Pitbul@6 May 2003 - 08:51
i prefer Rap only cuz theres more piont in the song. some rock is just stupid standing there yelling shit that doesn't make sense although i do listen to some rock.most of the rock nowadays is gay especially punk rock.just a bunch of queers hopin around on stage tryin to be cool yelling stuff u cant understand.most of u are sayin rappers talk which is compltely untrue try and produce a decent beat.then write songs that get u up in the media.and rhymeing words like "back, bat,clap,tac,and.crap" dont get u n e where.n e of you who say soemthing about another make sure u know what ur talking about.this topic is gay n e ways.but i guess stupid close minded ppl need a place too.
You must be refering to yourself, read your post again and think.........

most of the rock nowadays is gay especially punk rock

just a bunch of queers hopin around on stage tryin to be cool yelling stuff u cant understand

Than this:

but i guess stupid close minded ppl need a place too.

Go figure....... :lol:

05-06-2003, 08:18 AM

Summerlinda u said it all!!!

pussymasterzee

05-06-2003, 03:07 PM

rap fucking sucks ROCK WAS FIRST, ROCK N FUCKING ROLL FOREVEVER all rappers are stupid dickhead who only talk about getting stoned and drinking its just GAY

Curley

05-06-2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by summerlinda+6 May 2003 - 09:11--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda @ 6 May 2003 - 09:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Pitbul@6 May 2003 - 08:51
i prefer Rap only cuz theres more piont in the song. some rock is just stupid standing there yelling shit that doesn't make sense although i do listen to some rock.most of the rock nowadays is gay especially punk rock.just a bunch of queers hopin around on stage tryin to be cool yelling stuff u cant understand.most of u are sayin rappers talk which is compltely untrue try and produce a decent beat.then write songs that get u up in the media.and rhymeing words like "back, bat,clap,tac,and.crap" dont get u n e where.n e of you who say soemthing about another make sure u know what ur talking about.this topic is gay n e ways.but i guess stupid close minded ppl need a place too.
You must be refering to yourself, read your post again and think.........

most of the rock nowadays is gay especially punk rock

just a bunch of queers hopin around on stage tryin to be cool yelling stuff u cant understand

Than this:

but i guess stupid close minded ppl need a place too.

Go figure....... :lol: [/b][/quote]
Some good points there summerlinda :)

n18

05-06-2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by porkshit+4 May 2003 - 22:10--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (porkshit @ 4 May 2003 - 22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Curley@4 May 2003 - 16:04
Guys... is there any need to throw personal insults around?? Its only music for gods sake.  Everyone has differant tastes.
EXACTLY. i think all these stupid topics about what genre of music is better, or who raps better than who should all stop. everybody has a different opinion. [/b][/quote]
I't is a rap lover that started this... :o

n18

05-06-2003, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Pitbul@6 May 2003 - 08:51
i prefer Rap only cuz theres more piont in the song. some rock is just stupid standing there yelling shit that doesn't make sense although i do listen to some rock.most of the rock nowadays is gay especially punk rock.just a bunch of queers hopin around on stage tryin to be cool yelling stuff u cant understand.most of u are sayin rappers talk which is compltely untrue try and produce a decent beat.then write songs that get u up in the media.and rhymeing words like "back, bat,clap,tac,and.crap" dont get u n e where.n e of you who say soemthing about another make sure u know what ur talking about.this topic is gay n e ways.but i guess stupid close minded ppl need a place too.
lol and rap makes sense? Don't indulge yourself in that idea, I't is true that some rock is balls, but i'm sure you feel some rapist artists sux0r too?

porkshit

05-06-2003, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by n18+6 May 2003 - 16:09--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (n18 @ 6 May 2003 - 16:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -porkshit@4 May 2003 - 22:10
<!--QuoteBegin--Curley@4 May 2003 - 16:04
Guys... is there any need to throw personal insults around?? Its only music for gods sake.Â Everyone has differant tastes.
EXACTLY. i think all these stupid topics about what genre of music is better, or who raps better than who should all stop. everybody has a different opinion.
I't is a rap lover that started this... :o [/b][/quote]
you mean who started this topic? becasue i prefer rock type stuff over rap, but will listen to both, depending on my mood.

Curley

05-06-2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by n18+6 May 2003 - 22:09--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (n18 @ 6 May 2003 - 22:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -porkshit@4 May 2003 - 22:10
<!--QuoteBegin--Curley@4 May 2003 - 16:04
Guys... is there any need to throw personal insults around?? Its only music for gods sake. Everyone has differant tastes.
EXACTLY. i think all these stupid topics about what genre of music is better, or who raps better than who should all stop. everybody has a different opinion.
I't is a rap lover that started this... :o [/b][/quote]
It don't matter who started it, I just don't understand how it turned into a flame war :rolleyes:

ripley02

05-06-2003, 10:23 PM

well you know what they say.
"You can't spell crap without rap"

porkshit

05-07-2003, 12:18 AM

dude, your just making things worse. who cares?

05-07-2003, 03:08 AM

Actully im probaly the one to blame for starting this war but looking at the votes it seems like rock is totally overpowing rap :P

belsebub

05-07-2003, 11:55 AM

RAP!!!!

05-09-2003, 04:53 AM

Someone asked for a vote count earlier rock lead 16 6

and that not incluting voting twice which some people have like the person who started this topic!!! i have only counted the 1 opionated people people that have said both or neither i have not counted

so who was it that said rap is the most popular thing in the world????

maybe it is but the most popular MUSIC is ROCK

sk8punk151

05-09-2003, 04:56 AM

Rock kicks ass. Rap is ruining our culture. It teaches kids bad vocab (hoes, bitches, sluts, pimps etc..) and makes kids feel that smoking weed and getting laid everynight is a good thing (not saying it isnt ;) BUT still.. Some kids actually do think it)

amphoteric88

05-09-2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by adthomp@9 May 2003 - 05:53
so who was it that said rap is the most popular thing in the world????

maybe it is but the most popular MUSIC is ROCK
so just run it by me again, i must be really, really stupid.
why, in your greatly valued opinion, is rap not considered music?
by your rules, i can say that rock isn't music, it's just some guys with guitars.
by your rules, rock=guys with guitars, rap=guys with guns who talk

05-09-2003, 07:42 AM

so just run it by me again, i must be really, really stupid.
why, in your greatly valued opinion, is rap not considered music?
by your rules, i can say that rock isn't music, it's just some guys with guitars.
by your rules, rock=guys with guitars, rap=guys with guns who talk

music is people who use instuments and use there voice as an instrument which Rock falls into that catogry

Rap nor Techno does pressing a button on a machine is not considered music or talking

amphoteric88

05-09-2003, 07:50 AM

so rap doesn't use instruments then?
and how exactly do you explain "using their voice as an instrument" then?
an instrument could be a triangle or a tuba, what kind of voice sounds like a triangle?
or am i missing the point? do you mean melodic like an instrument?
if so, and you think rap is not "melodic", i suggest you go away and listen to some rap before you comment again.
plus, some of the rock i've heard doesn't exactly show off the singer's voice like an orchestra, in fact, a lot of the stuff i've heard is screaming and shouting.

edit: the spelling in your avatar is wrong, adthomp, it should be "wonder"

05-09-2003, 07:58 AM

lmao screaming and shouting!!! hah ahahahahah

anyway ive herad rap before and all i wan to do is turn the shit off after 1 minute if i was to write a score up of a melody of the vocalist of rap what would it look like??? well ill tell ya... it wont go up in down in steps at all it will be like this...

Ect

ahh yeah my bitch is a slut i shoot everyone all day yo bro im cool yo

that would all be the same not very boring and irritating. unless your death and dont have a voice anyone could do that in the world. as for rock vocalist have to stand there for hours recording to make sure there in tune in the right key

and whats with the f*cking baggy oants dog collars they where??? caps on backterfront??? man that so cool and there always thanking go if they win a grammy or whatever!! whats with that??

05-09-2003, 08:00 AM

amphoteric88 thanks for telling me about my shocking spelling lol

amphoteric88

05-09-2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by adthomp@9 May 2003 - 08:58
lmao screaming and shouting!!! hah ahahahahah

anyway ive herad rap before and all i wan to do is turn the shit off after 1 minute if i was to write a score up of a melody of the vocalist of rap what would it look like??? well ill tell ya... it wont go up in down in steps at all it will be like this...

Ect

ahh yeah my bitch is a slut i shoot everyone all day yo bro im cool yo

that would all be the same not very boring and irritating. unless your death and dont have a voice anyone could do that in the world. as for rock vocalist have to stand there for hours recording to make sure there in tune in the right key

and whats with the f*cking baggy oants dog collars they where??? caps on backterfront??? man that so cool and there always thanking go if they win a grammy or whatever!! whats with that??
lol, rock singers have to get the right key. i wonder if that's a joke or not.
why do you have to be able to write the pitch of the voice in a score?
i like the way you also ignorantly stereotype all rap artists to be gangsters who call women bitches and shoot people on drive by's all day long.
a simple question, have you ever tried to rap? download an instrumental of a rap song, something pretty slow and simple, like Eminem - My Name Is, print out the words and try to rap along. i don't think you'll get very far.
download some of tupac's greatest hits, listen to them, try and make it through the "agony".

amphoteric88

05-09-2003, 08:10 AM

edit: double post

05-09-2003, 08:14 AM

I can do that with my eyes closed :P

byw my name is is a ripp off

amphoteric88

05-09-2003, 08:19 AM

if it's so easy, why not just record yourself rapping and let us all judge for yourself
i think it'd be a laugh

05-09-2003, 08:20 AM

arnt I rapping now when im talking??

guess it has to ryme like my sluty bitch i shot in a ditch :P

05-09-2003, 08:22 AM

Ok i have recorded my self rapping i will gladley share it on soulseek for everyone to dl it only gos for 1 minute long im serious too no joking i mixed it myself with cakewalk and rapped over it my own work no joke it was the work of 2 minutes!!! when i work on rock stuff it takes days!!!

amphoteric88

05-09-2003, 08:23 AM

unless you're rapping a capella, you need to rap in time with music.
most rap/hip hop music is quite a bit faster than normal speech.

you're obviously a great lyricist, maybe you could freestyle for us

05-09-2003, 08:26 AM

this is in time!! i might make a million!! for making crap!!!!

amphoteric88

05-09-2003, 08:28 AM

i really want to hear this, but i'm not on dc
it'll probably be too big for hotmail, maybe you could ftp it to me
i think it'll be a good laugh
pm me for details

05-09-2003, 08:32 AM

yep sure lol

soopaman

05-09-2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by adthomp@9 May 2003 - 08:58

and whats with the f*cking baggy oants dog collars they where??? caps on backterfront??? man that so cool and there always thanking go if they win a grammy or whatever!! whats with that??

What have clothes got to do with it??

Don't Rock fans dress a certain way?? They do where I live. The "fabbies" ( our name for them :lol: ) wear insanely baggy jeans, wooly hats, hoodies, baseball caps, skateboard type trainers, bandanas, etc. They are undeniably influenced by Hip-Hop culture because they dress almost exactly the same as the Hip-Hop kids. There has been a direct correlation between youth culture/music/fashion for nearly 60 years!! If you saw me in the street you wouldn't guess I was a BIG Hip-Hop fan. Would you judge me by my clothes or my music? Does it matter??

By the way, wearing your jeans/whatever "low down" came about because if, when you were growing up, your parents couldn't afford to get you new clothes you'd have to pull your jeans down so that they weren't at "half-mast"!! Then wear a baggy T-Shirt to cover your belt/arse.

If in an awards ceremony an artist "thanks God" then that's up to them. Freedom of speech and beliefs and all that. If an artist was a Muslim and thanked Allah would you criticise them for that, Adthomp?? Why don't you just join the fucking Nazi party and then, one day, maybe you could make everyone do what you want, wear what you want, listen to what you want and think what you want??? :P

You are, AGAIN, being deliberately inciteful Adthomp, what's the deal?? Are you trying to impress with your knowledge of musical terminology?? Or your horrendous spelling?? :lol: :P :lol:

Nora182

05-09-2003, 09:00 AM

rock is better but i like rap too :)

05-09-2003, 09:08 AM

i dint think i was talking about music i thought i was talking about rap

N£MO

05-09-2003, 09:19 AM

Some people just post to stir up trouble and make their post count grow. :o

Mentioning no names. :huh:

These people are well known and their comments should be ignored,its easy to do. :D

05-09-2003, 09:20 AM

Nemo id didnt see u ignoring it

Flex

05-09-2003, 04:48 PM

guess what???

RAP!! for sure
:lol: :lol: :lol:

carbert

05-10-2003, 10:31 PM

I respect both Rock and Rap, but i think these terms cover too wide a musical spectrum to be judged or pitted against each other. Rock has borrowed from Rap influences over the years and vice-versa. We know have Rap-Rock crossover bands, which just shows that the music we listen to is changing and growing all the time, which can only be a good thing.

Felt i had to add my tuppence ;)

Kid1A

05-11-2003, 02:18 PM

rock anyday

Clear Illusions

05-22-2003, 04:42 PM

Some rap is okay, but I like rock a lot more.

jetje

05-22-2003, 04:49 PM

see our poll on genres.... Rock rulez in here sorry for the rappers... ;)

technotaz

05-22-2003, 07:17 PM

rock-rap would be nice...

Benno

05-22-2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by technotaz@22 May 2003 - 21:17
rock-rap would be nice...
theres enough of this allready out, but i have to say it didnt went very well. :D

Someone_Else

05-22-2003, 08:13 PM

The problem is that most people who listen to rap are clueless about music.

People that listen to rock often play an instrument, have some musical theory and know a little of older bands and all that. they also are more inclined to listen to other style of music.

People that listen to rap often play no instrument, have no musical theory (most cant even tell when jay-z sings girl girls girls he's completly out of tune and that everytime a rapper tries to sing he is... they dont realise it...) and they know nothing about older music. Most of them dont know that a lot of the rap beats are stolen from older rock songs. When they hear the original they're like "yall dogg tha shit is wack dude". also i havent met someone that listens to rap that also has a couple of jazz cd for exemple. They only listen to rap which makes their musical knowledge very limited in every way.

Bling bling I like rock best. Only place rap is ok is in a club or something like that, but even for dancing theres way better music.

05-22-2003, 11:14 PM

@Someone_Else
I play an 3 instruments
I have musical theory
Most rap beats are not stolen from older rock songs
I own many jazz/classical/rock/classic rock (i.e. beatles) cds, probably more than my rap cds
jay-z does sing out of tune :D

@technotaz
the roots, for one are rock-rap

@cabert
say it, brother!

@adthomp
i can respect your view on rock music as i like it too sometimes, but you really need to ditch your biased view of rap and start thinking more objectively about it. and yes, i also think you're just trying to impress everyone with your musical knowledge

btw pm me an ftp or d/l address for your freestyle i'd like to hear it

oh rap is god

edit: shitty spelling

Someone_Else

05-23-2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by haxor41789@23 May 2003 - 00:14
@Someone_Else
I play an 3 instruments
I have musical theory
Most rap beats are not stolen from older rock songs
I own many jazz/classical/rock/classic rock (i.e. beatles) cds, probably more than my rap cds
jay-z does sing out of tune :D

@technotaz
the roots, for one are rock-rap

@cabert
say it, brother!

@adthomp
i can respect your view on rock music as i like it too sometimes, but you really need to ditch your biased view of rap and start thinking more objectively about it. and yes, i also think you're just trying to impress everyone with your musical knowledge

btw pm me an ftp or d/l address for your freestyle i'd like to hear it

oh rap is god

edit: shitty spelling
well i said most people that listen to rap. You're the exceptions and theres not many people like you. And yes so many songs have sample from older rock songs or have the melody took from odler songs. They even steal beats from one another in rap........

porkshit

05-23-2003, 01:51 AM

dudes, this topic is so dead. if you want to discuss it further pm each other or something ;)

Buffalo

05-23-2003, 02:41 AM

I don't mind Rap, But i do love Rock

05-23-2003, 03:12 AM

umm whys this topic poping up again??

Pitbul

05-23-2003, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by Someone_Else@22 May 2003 - 13:13
The problem is that most people who listen to rap are clueless about music.

People that listen to rock often play an instrument, have some musical theory and know a little of older bands and all that. they also are more inclined to listen to other style of music.

People that listen to rap often play no instrument, have no musical theory (most cant even tell when jay-z sings girl girls girls he's completly out of tune and that everytime a rapper tries to sing he is... they dont realise it...) and they know nothing about older music. Most of them dont know that a lot of the rap beats are stolen from older rock songs. When they hear the original they're like "yall dogg tha shit is wack dude". also i havent met someone that listens to rap that also has a couple of jazz cd for exemple. They only listen to rap which makes their musical knowledge very limited in every way.

Bling bling I like rock best. Only place rap is ok is in a club or something like that, but even for dancing theres way better music.
and as i read ur post i came to this state of mind.

It would be my up most pleasure to kick ur head in till you can smell out your ass.

Someone_Else

05-23-2003, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by Pitbul+23 May 2003 - 05:16--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pitbul @ 23 May 2003 - 05:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Someone_Else@22 May 2003 - 13:13
The problem is that most people who listen to rap are clueless about music.

People that listen to rock often play an instrument, have some musical theory and know a little of older bands and all that. they also are more inclined to listen to other style of music.

People that listen to rap often play no instrument, have no musical theory (most cant even tell when jay-z sings girl girls girls he's completly out of tune and that everytime a rapper tries to sing he is... they dont realise it...) and they know nothing about older music. Most of them dont know that a lot of the rap beats are stolen from older rock songs. When they hear the original they're like "yall dogg tha shit is wack dude". also i havent met someone that listens to rap that also has a couple of jazz cd for exemple. They only listen to rap which makes their musical knowledge very limited in every way.

Bling bling I like rock best. Only place rap is ok is in a club or something like that, but even for dancing theres way better music.
and as i read ur post i came to this state of mind.

It would be my up most pleasure to kick ur head in till you can smell out your ass. [/b][/quote]
wow nice point....