Bittorrent quicker than Newsgroups?

[chris57]

Ive noticed that torrent sites tend to post releases at least a couple of hours before Newsgroups sites. Am I missing something or is this the case:unsure:

[yogib]

Well, I guess both newsgroups and bittorrent are pretty low in the release food-chain.

But yes, it seems even the public bittorrent sites get releases before it gets posted in the newsgroups nowadays...

It all depends on the releases... The big US TV shows just show up in all places just hours after they air. The rest of the stuff seems to be on bittorrent first if you ask me.

[digitrifecta]

Sometimes some shows or movies do show up quicker on BT sites than they do on the usenet, I think largely because of the fact that most people either dont know about the usenet or don't know how to use it, I personally love the usenet because it is so much faster than BT and you dont have to worry about getting caught sharing files...more and more people are getting sued everyday by the mpa* or the ri** Anyone who uses BT now and wants to learn how to use the usenet should check this link out, found it on the slyck forums

http://www.mantup.com

[thedude0]

Yes, bittorrent has better pre times. Too bad it is lacking in good content because people are missing out on great older releases because of the fixation on new ones.

[gamer4eva]

I've seen some releases come out like 1 day after on torrent sites. Which is why i prefer torrents.

[4play]

I usually see stuff getting posted to usenet faster than torrent sites. Just because your favourite indexing site hasn't indexed it yet doesnt mean its not there.

[MultiForce]

Usually I find things faster on Usenet.... But that is almost always before it is posted here or other sites.

[visionaryone]

I usually see stuff getting posted to usenet faster than torrent sites. Just because your favourite indexing site hasn't indexed it yet doesnt mean its not there.

I was just about to say the exact same thing, take FTD for example! :D

[thedude0]

If there is one thing that really sucks about usenet its ftd.

[JPaul]

Even if it were true and I'm not convinced it is, the one thing Usenet has over torrents is the lack of ratio concerns.

Oh and I always (or as near it as makes no difference) max my download on Usenet, its 10Mb. I'm pleased if I get half that on BT.

So that's two things really.

[kidquick]

If there is one thing that really sucks about usenet its ftd.What does this mean? Thanks

Ratio's suck on BT.

[visionaryone]

If there is one thing that really sucks about usenet its ftd.

Why does FTD suck? Is it coz you cant get the ftd program running? :D

[digitrifecta]

Even if it were true and I'm not convinced it is, the one thing Usenet has over torrents is the lack of ratio concerns.

Oh and I always (or as near it as makes no difference) max my download on Usenet, its 10Mb. I'm pleased if I get half that on BT.

So that's two things really.


I agree:naughty: Speed is my favorite advantage that the usenet has over BT, I have a 10Mb pipe and I downlaoded 15Gigs yesterday, for that reason alone I will take the usenet anyday, newshosting maxes my connection out with no problem.

[thedude0]

If there is one thing that really sucks about usenet its ftd.

Why does FTD suck? Is it coz you cant get the ftd program running? :D

Well the program itself is slow and unstable but thats not the main problem. A lot of ftd uploaders either post their things in the wrong group, without supplying info about their posts or in a dumb way in general.

[yogib]

Why does FTD suck? Is it coz you cant get the ftd program running? :D

Well the program itself is slow and unstable but thats not the main problem. A lot of ftd uploaders either post their things in the wrong group, without supplying info about their posts or in a dumb way in general.

Although I'm not really interested in a "why FTD sucks" thread. I do wonder about the impact FTD has on usenet. Indeed, there are a lot of uploaders on FTD that post bad releases in wrong groups, with little or no info (let alone .nfo) files.

My biggest problem with FTD is that it makes it possible for computer illiterates to download LOTS of stuff. RIAA/MPAA will have to do something about usenet. Sooner or later.

Although some claim that the latest releases appear on usenet fast, they certainly do not on the indexing sites that I use. (FTD for example). There are lots of quality TVrips that I miss because I cannot find it, even though I see the release in the predb. For those releases I fall back to BT.

[FriLock]

I use premium NZB indexing sites like nzbsrus and newzbin and I almost always find what Im looking for, another big factor is that I use a good NSP like newshosting because they have great retention and speed, I have almost completely given up using BT because its slow and if there is something rare Im looking for I usually dont have any luck finding it there either. Like right now I have been looking everwhere for a classic 90's scifi show called the MANTIS and I have had no luck :wacko:

[1Bullet]

what I see is a release comes up on a private IRC. From their they hit the newsgroups and then on to bit torrent sites. If you are waiting for newsgroup info site to tell you when something has been posted you could be on a second generation copy by that time. If you don't do your own searches you are losing out.

[julesyeung]

Torrents are good because they take less work. However Usenet is way faster, also, if you are using a router, most routers get totally flooded, and you have to restart your router.

[kidquick]

Cwhat I see is a release comes up on a private IRC.
What is IRC? How do you use this service? Is it hard to get into a private IRC? Thanks

[yogib]

If you are waiting for newsgroup info site to tell you when something has been posted you could be on a second generation copy by that time. If you don't do your own searches you are losing out.

Well, I guess so... TV Shows like lost, prison break etc show up -immediately- everywhere, and usenet downloading is so much easier than BT, so I get that stuff from newsgroups.
Shows like Mythbusters however, are not always posted to usenet in a hurry (at least I can't find them by searching/nzbsites). For those shows I resort to BT, because sooner or later (usually later) they turn up on the public bittorrent sites.

[thedude0]

The reason why some scene releases aren't on usenet is because they are simply not requested in the IRC channels. Those are the main source of scene stuff on usenet, so if you can't find a release that you are looking for just request it. TV goes in either #alt.binaries.tvseries or #alt.binaries.multimedia on EFnet.

[kidquick]

Are THere any guiled or forums that help you learn IRC channels and how to use them to find scene releases. I here about this, but don't understand how to do it. THanks

[Fni0x]

Well, I just tried Giganews for two days, and I think torrent sites are much more effective!

[thedude0]

Well, I just tried Giganews for two days, and I think torrent sites are much more effective!

why do you think that

[duynghia]

My Usenet download speed reaches the maximum bandwidth throughput all the times:cool:
BT is really fast only if there are numerous seeds and leeches;)

[The Hitcher]

files may be released on torrents a shot time before usenet but with torrents being pretty slow most of the time and usenet maxing out my connection every time i would still get it on usenet faster than torrents.
torrents is for the weird and wonderful stuff for me nothing else :)

[starcoder]

Bittorent my be quicker but the speed is superb than bittorrent in newsroups

[iridius]

I've used both and ended up sticking with BitTorrent, because it seems that all the unlimited bandwidth & no monthly limited downloads, on Usenet, were pay-only services... Is this true? I have an NNTP server but can only get 8 GB a month, and that's just not worth the time. With BT, I get a consistent 5-10GB a day. With no limits, except the amount being shared.

Usenet did have some great rapidshare.de-like speed and consistency, but again the limits sucked.

Another thing about Usenet and sites like Rapidshare and Megaupload. Is although for small individual RAR files they're great. I find that I can quickly waste a lot of time decompressing, finding passwords, and deleting the originals, etc... With BT, I get 90% files in non-RAR format so it saves a bunch of time too...

I wanted to use Usenet because everyone says you can find so much more in it, but I will be honest I didn't find much, though I only gave it a few days, because I hit my 8 GB limit that month....

[Windy72]

Well I use both usenet and BT however in answer to the question Usenet is by far quicker. The files are on Usenet often just as quick as BT. There are also different files on each so use it and abuse it. Keep an open mind.

[0ctane]

I usually see stuff getting posted to usenet faster than torrent sites. Just because your favourite indexing site hasn't indexed it yet doesnt mean its not there.

Exactly manuelly look in the best groups and you'll find it either on same time as torrents or a few hours before BT trackers .

[malirender]

I prefer usenet since you can find so many dvd images of shows which are not available anywhere and to mention the speed over bittorent and you dont have to worry about share ratio.

[The Hitcher]

leechers ftw :)

[digitrifecta]

I prefer usenet since you can find so many dvd images of shows which are not available anywhere and to mention the speed over bittorent and you dont have to worry about share ratio.


I second that I love the fact that I can download a new tv episode in 5 to 10min off the usenet, bittorrent is just to slow and you could never see that kind of speed.

[raspberry1331]

and there are stuff that cannot be found anywhere else, just on usenet. for me thats its greatest appeal (maybe because i only have a 3MBit line: i can easily max it out downloading torrents).

[{I}{K}{E}]

Why does FTD suck? Is it coz you cant get the ftd program running? :D

Well the program itself is slow and unstable but thats not the main problem. A lot of ftd uploaders either post their things in the wrong group, without supplying info about their posts or in a dumb way in general.

there will soon be a new version of FTD ;)

It's true that a lot of members from FTD upload stuff without adding proper NFO's or use weird filenames.

[madden player]

I love the fact that I can download a new tv episode in 5 to 10min off the usenet, bittorrent is just to slow and you could never see that kind of speed.
:blink: hehehehe - maybe u should avoid trackers like torrentspy and demonoid.

I can download 350 - 700 MB tele rips in 5 to 10 mins (or less) with bittorrent, :huh: absolutely no need to pay for usenet to get speeds like that in my case. The pre times @ the top BT trackers can NOT be beat IMO, the only thing better than the elite trackers would be to have actual Scene axx.

Maybe you should try different trackers or different ISP.

paying for a service (usenet) that supplies you warez is lame anyways.

Never pay for File Sharing!

[mesaman]

It's lame to pay for Usenet if you don't have to. My ISP has a good news server.

[Youcef]

i use usenet since 2 years, and i think that is the best solution for sharing till now !

if you don't wanna pay, try using your ISP, or at last free newssevers ..

[thedude0]

I love the fact that I can download a new tv episode in 5 to 10min off the usenet, bittorrent is just to slow and you could never see that kind of speed.
:blink: hehehehe - maybe u should avoid trackers like torrentspy and demonoid.

I can download 350 - 700 MB tele rips in 5 to 10 mins (or less) with bittorrent, :huh: absolutely no need to pay for usenet to get speeds like that in my case. The pre times @ the top BT trackers can NOT be beat IMO, the only thing better than the elite trackers would be to have actual Scene axx.

Maybe you should try different trackers or different ISP.

paying for a service (usenet) that supplies you warez is lame anyways.

Never pay for File Sharing!

Not my problem that you love good pre times. Usenet has every scene release thats on bittorrent and even more (how about every single nintendo ds release? And older stuff too, you never see that stuff at lame torrent trackers). And at least I know that everything will be available for around 70 days at full speeds unlike torrents that only work at high speeds for like a week. Usenet is a good reason why "Never pay for file sharing" is extremely lame (and everybody knows that you shouldn't pay for fake file sharing sites).

[digitrifecta]

Yep I could not agree more :yup:

The Newsgroups can't be beat, $15/month for a excellent nsp to download whatever I want is a drop in the bucket anyway.

[default]

Some of the bittorrent private sites in fact do get a lot scene releases up quicker than usenet, but on usenet you don't have to worry about ratios and you have more privacy. Other than that, if you have the right sites and know where to search you'll find that they're very alike and could get all you need out of just one. Though to be honest, i prefer using both in conjunction ;)

[haligali]

Bittorrent is better in my opinion

[lukaz]

I do find torrent sites are a lot quicker with releases

Example : Casino Royale TC both xvid and dvdr have been up for a few hours now on private sites but can't find them on newsgroups.

[geen]

usenet will and can never be faster than torrents. With usenet you allways have a delay when usenet providers exchange(mirror) files. Besides that usenet has a higher rate of damaged files and indexing/downloading headers takes time 2.

[mesaman]

With Usenet I start later and finish earlier than a torrent.

[Ratzy Rox]

I find the actual pretimes to be lower on some bittorrent sites but in terms of download speed newsgroups are faster

[caffieNd]

Yeah, it's definitely slower to get files onto usenet than it is to get torrents. However, it's well worth waiting for, as I max out my 15mbps connection with usenet and rarely do so with torrents :-)

[digitrifecta]

Yeah, it's definitely slower to get files onto usenet than it is to get torrents. However, it's well worth waiting for, as I max out my 15mbps connection with usenet and rarely do so with torrents :-)

Usenet uploads only take as long as your connections upstream speed, I'm lucky I have 1Mb up and 9Mb down, and don't forget the speed is constant unlike torrents, so unlike torrents, posting and downing bins to the usenet is almost always the fastest way to share stuff because your connection should be maxed out from both ends.

[Hanz™]

Usenet is great for downloading files that would absolutely destroy your ratio on bittorrent. And it's also great for getting exclusive stuff to share on bittorrent to increase your ratio even more!

[MCHeshPants420]

If something comes out on the private trackers a few hours before Usenet I could care less, half the time this stuff is hitting the 'net when I'm asleep or at work anyhow.

I only use Bittorrent and the other inferior clients on the odd occassion I can't find something I want on Usenet. Or for porn.

[phrenzy]

If you get on a good private tracker you Will max your download w/o a problem. W/ Usenet can you download a few movies at once?

[Sneakydave]

I never did see why youd pay money to download illegal data so for that reason alone id consider bittorrent better. With the sites that im a member of i max out my 8mbit connection anyway plus after trying out newsgroups over christmas with the providers which were offering free usage over december i find bittorrent much easier to use.

[bsgjunkie]

If you get on a good private tracker you Will max your download w/o a problem. W/ Usenet can you download a few movies at once?

Sure can. Most usenet accounts offer 8 connections, but you can receive 20+

You may be able to max your connection with some torrents, but you will max your connection with ALL newsgroup binaries.

I currently use newsgroups exclusively, but thats more because my ISP blocks torrents. When I am on other connections, I use torrents when I need the hottest and new things, but anything past a few days submission, its much easier and faster to use newgroups.

Some people have commented that usenet is more difficult to use then binaries - I don't see how thats true. Sure, anything new takes a learning curve, but if you were to have equal background in both you'd find usenets to be much eaiser.

Bottom line is usenets aren't for everyone. The cost doesn't fit everyones budget. Even those that can afford it, don't feel the benefits are worth the cost. They're worth it to me.

I can see both sides of the coin, but I would encourage everyone to keep usenet in mind, even if its only for limited use. There are services where you can pay for a day or two at a time, which may be perfect for those that would only see true benefits a few times a month.

[FriLock]

If you get on a good private tracker you Will max your download w/o a problem. W/ Usenet can you download a few movies at once?

Sure can. Most usenet accounts offer 8 connections, but you can receive 20+

You may be able to max your connection with some torrents, but you will max your connection with ALL newsgroup binaries.

I currently use newsgroups exclusively, but thats more because my ISP blocks torrents. When I am on other connections, I use torrents when I need the hottest and new things, but anything past a few days submission, its much easier and faster to use newgroups.

Some people have commented that usenet is more difficult to use then binaries - I don't see how thats true. Sure, anything new takes a learning curve, but if you were to have equal background in both you'd find usenets to be much eaiser.

Bottom line is usenets aren't for everyone. The cost doesn't fit everyones budget. Even those that can afford it, don't feel the benefits are worth the cost. They're worth it to me.

I can see both sides of the coin, but I would encourage everyone to keep usenet in mind, even if its only for limited use. There are services where you can pay for a day or two at a time, which may be perfect for those that would only see true benefits a few times a month.


I agree completely, I still use torrents on occasion, but only when I have to because I can't find something. I use newshosting as my newsgroup provider.