Some Interesting Longhorn Reading

[MenderOne]

Some interesting reading,


Earlier this month, Microsoft outlined their plans for their next generation of operating systems, codenamed Longhorn/Palladium. Among the features touted were the "secure networking" functions that OS would offer.


Firstly:
Microsoft plans to implement Palladium DRM (digital rights management) in a hardware chip, initially implanted on the mobo, but later on embedded in the CPU, and employing hardwired encryption throughout. The purpose of this is to flag every file on the computer with a digital signature telling a remote server what it is. If it's an unauthorised file, the remote server will tell your computer not to let you execute it.

This is basically an attempt to stop the trading of mp3's and/or warez.

Secondly:
Before an application can run, it too must have a digital signature remotely verified by another server. If the program binary doesn't match with any of the authenticated binaries, your computer won't run it. This, again, is meant to stop your computer running "unauthorised" software - which might be warez, or it might just be a nifty freewrae program that the authors acn't afford to have certified. Microsoft will be able to control exactly what your computer can and can't run.

Thirdly:
As most of you know, Microsoft employ a strategy of making their software deliberately obsolete - they make it forwrd compatible, but not backward compatible. With the laws of the DMCA, it will soon be illegal to try to make a software product that is compatible with another programs file types (for example, take the many office applications there are for Linux which have had some success in translating their arcane file formats).
This has the effect of killing any competition in the water - since you're not allowed to make your new product compatible with any of the others, no-one will use it. And eventually people will give up using any of the others instead, since no-one else can read their documents. So the entire world will be left with one choice only for software - Microsoft.

Fourthly:
Palladium will effectively ban free software, not just free stuff for Windows platforms, but free stuff for Linux, Mac, in fact every OS that runs on a Palladium enabled motherboard/processor. Why?
In order to get the program to run on a palladium platform, you will need to pay to have your binary certified as "safe" by Microsoft's software authentification branch. And who in their right mind is going to pay for a piece of software they spent hours working on? It just wouldn't be worth it.

It gets worse when it comes to open source projects, such as Linux and BSD. Those of you who know about these things will know that open source projects are created by freelance coders all over the world who create programs in their spare time and then give them to the rest of the world for free. Many of them also release the source code for free too, so that if you wish you can alter the program (such as to fix bugs, add features etc).
Now, it would be bad enough if the owner has to pay a certification fee. But EVERY CHANGE that is made to the source code will require a new, seperate certificate to be created. Those of you who use Linux will know that so many things get updated so quickly, that this just isn't practical, and would cost the open source developement people millions of dollars. This is money they just don't have, and Microsoft knows it.

Fifthly:
The "secure network". This is the real clincher for Palladium. At first, they're going to make it so that it is possible to turn Palladium off at the hardware level. But it is created in such a way so that, if you try to connect to a Palladium web server, you won't be allowed to. Palladium machines will only be able to talk to other Palladium machines, and non-Palladium machines won't be able to talk to any Palladium machines.
Hence, if Palladium reaches critical mass, there will be thousands of people the world over who won't be able to access the internet or even work on a network with Palladium machines, so by extension they will be forced to "upgrade" to Palladium machines.

Sixthly:
At first I thought: what the hell, this is only going to apply to x86 architecture (namely Athlon and Pentium chips, since it's only AMD and Intel who are involved at the moment). So, I could try another hardware architecture: such as the Mac/PPC, or the Sun Sparc, or an ARM, or any other kind of processor.
But then I realside that even if I did, I wouldn't be able to access the "Palladium network" which could encompass the entire internet if this concept goes far enough. So all you Mac users would be effectively locked out; you too would have adopt a Palladium machine if you wanted your computer to actually do anything.

Seventhly:
Palladium will enable all your documents to be controlled remotely. No, this is not a joke. If Microsoft find you are using an outdated version of Office, all they need to do is send a message to your computer and it will no longer let you read any of your documents that were created with that application.

MS WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL YOUR COMPUTER!

Even more sinister is that if Microsoft take offence at any of the documents on your machine ( it could be a simple document containing DeCSS information or anti-Palladium information) then they can delete or alter it not just from your PC but from every other Palladium PC on the network.
This has a remarkable similarity to the "Ministry of Truth" in George Orwell's "1984" where the government continually faked information, both new and old, the entire country over to make themsleves appear "correct" all the time.


If Palladium ever becomes widespread enough, the internet as we know it today will be dead. Instead of being controlled by us, it will be controlled by Microsoft, and you will have no choice to do exectly what they say.

Hence why I want to tell as many people about this atrocious idea before it become spopular, and M$ administer their miraculous spin to it to make it sound like the best thing since sliced bread.

Thanks Wassup, this is what I read too, but forgot where it was.

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

I've been trying to tell these blind lovers of Microsoft OS's this.
Longhorn is gonna be like Big Brother.
I will never upgrade to it the way it's planned to be released.
This will only get worse as technology increases along with it's development.
This OS will be accepted by the overwehlming majority of uninformed massesthat think Microsoft is doing them a big favor by making there computer safe and secure. :blink: :blink:
Heck it will even be accepted by the idiots(who now have this info) in this forum who can't seem to wait for it.
There like pavlovs dog when it comes to Microsoft products. ;)
Longhorn is a piece of spyware crap in disguise!!
The entire OS.
It will end the internet as we know it within a year or so after it's release.
You may say "he's crazy " or "there's no way this could happen" but the change will be slow and inconspicuous.
Get ready!

Hell yeah microsoft wants to put MAC out of buisness!!
Why do you think your running a Microsoft OS right now?
Because Microsoft is suing every other OS manufacturer.
Every one of them including Linux is being sued right now by microsoft.
They have the money and the time!!!!

[ripley02]

bill gates is the fucking antichrist. i hate that goddamn prick. longlive piracy!!!

[Icebound]

could u possibly give us your source, so we can look further into it and find if it is, in fact, true; or a hoax
all this just makes no sense whatsoever, especially about the software part (no freeware, ever?). i don't think MS would charge for a "verification" fee just so freeware will work, among other things. but like i said in the other longhorn post -- it is way too early for anything to be valid.

[MenderOne]

The source I am not at liberty to divulge, call it whatever you like , bottom line is TIME will tell, Based on the fact that Microsoft has Always released OS's that were BUG ridden and got their money out of many and just sat back and waited for peeps around the world that they screwed to report the bugs (hence doin work that THEY were supposed to do and these bug reporters got paid JACK!) and THEN fix it, tells me alot about their methods, mean time many had to deal with the time lost to these BUGS while Microsoft cashed in on a product that was'nt ironed out. :rolleyes: Ask the "KNOW", eventually you'll find what you are looking for as did I, do some searches and research, seek and you will find. :D

[EnJoi]

man im keeping xp <_<

[Wolfmight]

stick with xp for awhile... hell some people still use 98

[MenderOne]

Psssst EnJoi.........YOU&#39;RE IP address is being seen this very minute. :lol: :lol: :lol: ;) he he he not MINE :D

[the-ninja69]

ARGG&#33; This is scaring the shit out me. OMG that fucking crazy seriously. BILL GATES IS MENTILLY ILL&#33;

[Icebound]

man, this is starting to remind me of all the bogus mpaa letters a couple weeks back
what a bunch of shit <_<

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

FYI - XP users
XP has some of this technology already in it

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

Originally posted by MenderOne@16 May 2003 - 01:20
Psssst EnJoi.........YOU&#39;RE IP address is being seen this very minute. :lol: :lol: :lol: ;) he he he not MINE :D
What are you using to conceal yor IP?

[Icebound]

Originally posted by ShockAndAwe^i^@15 May 2003 - 20:20
FYI - XP users
XP has some of this technology already in it
... here we go again

apparently, it&#39;s not working very well :P

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

It&#39;s not bogus.
I saw Bill himself on the news answering questions about it,
and they were very vague and misleading.
C&#39;mon don&#39;t tell me your one of those blinded by the love of your microsoft products.
That fucking company is trying to make shure you use thier products and if you scan your network or any network for that matter you will SEE.
So you see they can and will do whatever they want and you have almost no choice but to accept it because Gates makes shure there is&#39;nt any competition&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Skillian]

man, this is starting to remind me of all the bogus mpaa letters a couple weeks back
what a bunch of shit&nbsp;

Agreed - people get very paranoid when it comes to Microsoft. I&#39;m not saying evrything in Longhorn sounds like a good thing, but if there is some sort of DMCA thing in the OS then to be honest you&#39;ve got to have expected it. If Microsoft didn&#39;t do it someone else would have.

And every OS, software, whatever has bugs in. If they weren&#39;t released until every single possible bug had been worked out we would never get any new software.

The end of freeware, it being illegal to mke software thats compatible with other file types, the death of the internet within a year, is paranoia as far as I&#39;m concerned, and I don&#39;t think anything like that will be the case.

[infamousalbo101]

:) i think ima make a os of my self simaler to windows with my programing team the good thing about it is all

the games and programs that only work on windows will work on mine soo be happy if i make a beta ill

share it on kazaa :)

[random nut]

The end of freeware, it being illegal to mke software thats compatible with other file types, the death of the internet within a year, is paranoia as far as I&#39;m concerned, and I don&#39;t think anything like that will be the case.

Of course not. Microsoft would instantly get sued, and this time they would be split in at least two parts. MS has no right telling people what software they can use, at least if the software was obtained legally. And I don&#39;t think they can play cop either.

[MenderOne]

I Personally encountered this technology in XP&#33; , I had a burned music cd, with .cda extensions on it, I right clicked on the music CD and selected a file on it and selected copy , then went into a folder on my hard drive, and tried to copy it to the hard drive, I got some message from the OS about copyrighted or unauthorized yadda yadda ,then i sent the error report to Microsoft, a day later , I received an update , guess what? After I installed the update , it copied it, when i tried to load it with mediaplayer, it didn&#39;t let me, EVER since then, I havn&#39;t been able to open these types of files, and when I put an original music cd in it , XP crashes, even after a reboot, if that cd or a music cd is still inside the cd drive it crashes, only when I remove the cd, will xp operate correctly........Now ....I wonder why? :angry:

[balamm]

Duties are not performed for duty&#39;s sake, but because their neglect would make the man uncomfortable. A man performs but one duty - the duty of contenting his spirit, the duty of making himself agreeable to himself.
Mark Twain

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

I read that post again and think this is a big part of the beginning of what will eventually become a one world goverment.
I know your gonna say I&#39;m paranoid and this is probably not the place to make this kind of comment.
But I believe the book of revelation.
If you believe it too then one must also believe that the computer will play a big role.http://www.sigup.com/sigs/OpalineCover2222.jpg

[junkyardking]

Originally posted by ShockAndAwe^i^@16 May 2003 - 08:07
I read that post again and think this is a big part of the beginning of what will eventually become a one world goverment.
I know your gonna say I&#39;m paranoid and this is probably not the place to make this kind of comment.
But I believe the book of revelation.
If you believe it too then one must also believe that the computer will play a big role.http://www.sigup.com/sigs/OpalineCover2222.jpg
God huh?

There is no God and no Devil, Humans are responsible for there own actions, if we fuck up this Planet then no one will save us.

Whats wrong with One world Government?
It&#39;s Far better than Countries fighting agaist each other, we are all humans, on one planet what better than Humanity united for once.

Anyway back on topic Stuff Microsoft if this is true, i wont be buying :lol: , oh i mean downloading Longhorn&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Grim]

Originally posted by Wolfmight@16 May 2003 - 01:18
stick with xp for awhile... hell some people still use 98
I still use 98se & will keep on using it until i am forced to upgrade. I have tried XP several times & cannot get on with, it likes to be in control too much. This PC is mine, not Bill Gates.

[valunthar]

Whether the rumors are true or not I&#39;m planning to stick with XP for as long as I can and hope that microsoft is forced to turn off palladium eventually.

on another note reading the story of the personal cd earlier in this thread brought to mind something that happened to my cousin. I don&#39;t know what he did, but now when he tries to boot into his windows 98 machine a screen comes up saying that he has violated the DMCA and as such will not be allowed to use the OS (he had a pirated version of Win98). So basically his only option is to find a way to reformat the hard drive and reinstall the OS

[MenderOne]

:D balaam thanks for the info&#33; Will try it. Much obliged. :D

[psikoneo]

Only thing that&#39;s going to drive me nuts about longhorn is the new file system they are implementing

WinFS = Windows Future Storage File System

I&#39;m going to stick with XP for a while, maybe I&#39;ll switch over to 2000 Pro again

[Wizzandabe]

Ok clever clogs what if you havent got the internet. Say you got a pc with windows 98 and you dl all your shit with that, then burn it to cd and take it to you longhorn installed pc.

[RGX]

There is no God and no Devil, Humans are responsible for there own actions, if we fuck up this Planet then no one will save us.

your opinion, you are welcome to it, I personally disagree but this is for another topic, sweeping statements like that usually lead to flame wars

secondly, do you reckon someone will be able to crack longhorn? For download use?

[ToraBoraDweller]

Governments should force Microsoft to release only open source software &#33;
An inbaked rom-instruction-set in the cpu is a surefired way to selfdestruction.
As more and more ppl become aware of overzealous protectionism (and greed)
and stories about &#39;echelon&#39; more are willing to take the step to Linux and the like &#33;

[Infested Cats]

http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html

[ripley02]

isnt this all proof enough for people to see that this only proves that mcirospft wants to be the monopoly software giant. whoever in washington has the power should force bill gates to split up his beloved big brother organization.

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

Originally posted by RGX@16 May 2003 - 19:36
secondly, do you reckon someone will be able to crack longhorn? For download use?
It won&#39;t matter if you crack it you still won&#39;t be able to connect to the palladium servers.
Therein lies the evil. :devil:

[XSpikeX]

I personaly won&#39;t believe any of this until I get a good source. I&#39;m not a blind microsoft lover it&#39;s just this is insane, there are too many techies in the world to let something like this happen.

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

Here you go more info on longhorns NGSCB evil
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto...o/05082003j.php (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/05082003j.php)

More Evil
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto...o/05082003i.php (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/05082003i.php)

[MenderOne]

Nice info Shock, :D Very Interesting&#33; Good work with the further research, most impressive :D

[TRshady]

I do think there will be even more protection then xp but there&#39;s no way it&#39;ll go to this extent. Who would upgrade then?

But then again, people who really do "play it" legally then they&#39;ll be fine. Just imagine over 20million users choosing to sacrifice kazaa for loghorn, nah that aint gonna happen.

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

Yes the overwheling majority of pc users do play it legaly.:(
This change will be forced upon us slowly but surely if Bill has his way.
He sure is getting alot of cooperation from the companies that count.

[deathman102]

Words of Widom all of it.
But throught out history when the populous of a country has been dissallusioned then they have rissen up.
If only the human race would learn.

[Penis Monkey]

I apologise for the cynicism (if you think I am being a bit cynical, anyway) but wouldn&#39;t Microsoft have included this software in XP?
Also, this could stop the release of PC games becuase they would have to pay millions to make their games compatible and would have to stop production completely. To be honest, it all sounds like it has been conjured up by an Anti-Microsoft Mac lover. And believe me, they do exist&#33; They all congregate on an Acquisition P2P Message Board and express their hate for PCs and Microsoft.

[Penis Monkey]

Originally posted by TRshady@17 May 2003 - 06:50
I do think there will be even more protection then xp but there&#39;s no way it&#39;ll go to this extent. Who would upgrade then?

But then again, people who really do "play it" legally then they&#39;ll be fine. Just imagine over 20million users choosing to sacrifice kazaa for loghorn, nah that aint gonna happen. Arses.
Yeah, it would be bad for business because people would here about it and not upgrade. The only people who would be affected would be the new PC buyers.

[Patriot]

Originally posted by Penis Monkey@19 May 2003 - 08:52
I apologise for the cynicism (if you think I am being a bit cynical, anyway) but wouldn&#39;t Microsoft have included this software in XP?
Also, this could stop the release of PC games becuase they would have to pay millions to make their games compatible and would have to stop production completely. To be honest, it all sounds like it has been conjured up by an Anti-Microsoft Mac lover. And believe me, they do exist&#33; They all congregate on an Acquisition P2P Message Board and express their hate for PCs and Microsoft.
<_< Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going.

http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm

[MenderOne]

Originally posted by Patriot@19 May 2003 - 17:23

<_< Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going.

http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm
Well there ya have it, more supporting the claim of what microsoft is doing. Thanks for the input Patriot. :D

[slammy_dunken]

More crap about Palladium. Like I said in another post: Palladium REQUIRES a piece of hardware to run. Without that, it won&#39;t work.

Websites can say anything. They can put as much crap on their site as they want on their site just to give a company a bad reputation. That&#39;s just like those stupid newspapers, like Weekly World News or any clones of those. i saw one the day before that says that Jonbenet Ramsey (sp?) was killed by Santa. Everyone knows that&#39;s just bull :swear: . The same thing goes for websites. You can&#39;t trust everything you read.

Here&#39;s a link showing some information on Palladium (and if you don&#39;t trust PC World, you suck):

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,...d,109997,00.asp (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,109997,00.asp)

[Bass]

Originally posted by ShockAndAwe^i^@16 May 2003 - 03:20
FYI - XP users
XP has some of this technology already in it
Yeah.... I`ve been tellin my m8`s this all along......won`t use XP.....it`s got Bill Gates sinister soft stamped all over it&#33;&#33;&#33;.....I still can`t believe the public will buy a product which to the consumer is not as good as the previous...

cheers,
Bass.

[MenderOne]

Originally posted by slammy_dunken@19 May 2003 - 22:09
.&nbsp; Like I said in another post: Palladium REQUIRES a piece of hardware to run.&nbsp; Without that, it won&#39;t work.


Your point IS? Makes no difference, the hardware will be implemented in the new mobos, as Intel, AMD and microsoft are working together to implement this by the time longhorn is finalized, Sooooooo, what happens then? There will be two choices for people to make, either get a mobo WITHOUT the architecture necessary for longhorn to run ,(which will shut out those who chose to, and at which point eventually will be forced to get longhorn ANYWAY, as is always the case cause they don&#39;t make it backward compatible) or to get the mobo WITH the support for longhorn,in which case you&#39;re screwed anyway.

P.S. the link you posted goes on to explain exactly what i am talking about, it also has a link for those who oppose what microsoft is doing, http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,...d,105215,00.asp (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,105215,00.asp) ,and err, magazines get paid as well, by the corporate conglomerates such as microsoft, intel etc. so no difference, regarding what you read on a web site or in a magazine.

[slammy_dunken]

Are you subliminally saying that you want people to STOP using Windows? If so, are you subliminally trying to get people to use MAC or LINUX instead? Cause the point you&#39;re trying to get across is that Windows is bad.

You know that you can&#39;t make a decision for someone, right? Even though you say that Windows is bad and have many sources, that doesn&#39;t mean that you can force people to stop using Windows. That&#39;s like a person saying that it&#39;s the end of the world and have different sources to support that statement. Should people believe that? How do they know if the information is miscalculated or fake?

MS did say that they will include Palladium, but goals they are going for is compatability. If they want everyone to upgrade to/use Longhorn, they would want to lighten the requirements so that everyone has a chance to use it. A person with a top-of-the-line PC would want to upgrade to Longhorn, but just because they don&#39;t have the hardware, they can&#39;t do that...

(Too lazy to continue :lol: :lol: :lol: Someone help me out)

[Ad]

Bill Bill Bill what the hell are u doing :angry: ???

[fallenknight308]

There will be a time when even using a comp will violate even your most basic privacys&#33;
Why the hell do we need longhorn anyway?&#33;&#33;
Too many people here seem to put an emphasis on the acquisition of the "latest and greatest" things
Fuck microsoft, use any damm os you want, if they take away hardware compatability: use older hardware&#33;
You don&#39;t have to own the "best computer" if it violates a basic human right: FREEDOM&#33;

[Kokanee]

LONGHORN SUCKS
http://members.shaw.ca/dlconn/spam.jpg

[fallenknight308]

Originally posted by junkyardking+16 May 2003 - 01:29--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (junkyardking @ 16 May 2003 - 01:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--ShockAndAwe^i^@16 May 2003 - 08:07
I read that post again and think this is a big part of the beginning of what will eventually become a one world goverment.
I know your gonna say I&#39;m paranoid and this is probably not the place to make this kind of comment.
But I believe the book of revelation.
If you believe it too then one must also believe that the computer will play a big role.http://www.sigup.com/sigs/OpalineCover2222.jpg
God huh?

There is no God and no Devil, Humans are responsible for there own actions, if we fuck up this Planet then no one will save us.

Whats wrong with One world Government?
It&#39;s Far better than Countries fighting agaist each other, we are all humans, on one planet what better than Humanity united for once.

Anyway back on topic Stuff Microsoft if this is true, i wont be buying :lol: , oh i mean downloading Longhorn&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
So tell me.....
How&#39;s atheism working out for you?&#33; :rolleyes:

[slammy_dunken]

Originally posted by junkyardking@16 May 2003 - 02:29
God huh?

There is no God and no Devil, Humans are responsible for there own actions, if we fuck up this Planet then no one will save us.

Whats wrong with One world Government?
It&#39;s Far better than Countries fighting agaist each other, we are all humans, on one planet what better than Humanity united for once.

Anyway back on topic Stuff Microsoft if this is true, i wont be buying :lol: , oh i mean downloading Longhorn&#33; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:
There IS a God AND there IS a Devil. God created us to make our own decisions. It&#39;s called free will.

@Kokanee: Support your statement that Longhorn sucks. If you used it, good for you. It&#39;s an Alpha, so it&#39;t supposed to be crap right now. If you&#39;re talking about Palladium that could be why it sucks.

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

Originally posted by Kokanee@20 May 2003 - 05:21
LONGHORN SUCKS
http://members.shaw.ca/dlconn/spam.jpg
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Forget about palladium this thread is gay.
Oh man thats good&#33; :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Where did you get that? :lol: :lol:
God that is funny&#33;
I could&#39;nt stop laughing when I saw it.

[Pitbul]

BILL GATES ur going to hell. we will revolutionize linux, Microdick will burn. ITS ANARCHY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Kokanee]

I tried it out and nothing seemed to work (games, apps.) has nice colors and thats about it. I would suggest sticking with XP...its the best thing since the commodor 64 and the cassette tapes for games :lol: . I know MS will not release something that doesn&#39;t work but it&#39;s the hidden features that will be installed and all that fancy shit they throw in just slows you down to the speed of that ole Com64.

[MenderOne]

Originally posted by slammy_dunken@20 May 2003 - 03:28
Are you subliminally saying that you want people to STOP using Windows?&nbsp; If so, are you subliminally trying to get people to use MAC or LINUX instead?&nbsp; Cause the point you&#39;re trying to get across is that Windows is bad.

You know that you can&#39;t make a decision for someone, right?&nbsp; Even though you say that Windows is bad and have many sources, that doesn&#39;t mean that you can force people to stop using Windows.
You obviously misunderstood what this thread is about, AWARENESS, information, an interesting read. It&#39;s up to the people who read this to draw upon their own conclusion, and ultimately make up their own minds. In no way shape or form am I telling ANYONE to STOP using Windows, it&#39;s up to them, this is a free country, and the beauty of this country is the freedom of speech, as well as making informed decisions, among many others.

The point I am trying to get across is that it is MY opinion that what is proposed for Longhorn IS bad. Based on the info it don&#39;t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, I can&#39;t be sure if any of this is true, but by the same token neither can you be sure it isn&#39;t, yes you can&#39;t believe everything you read, but based on Microsft&#39;s track record , it is more probable than not, again this is my opinion, and you have yours.

I am not a MAC addict, or a LINUX fanatic, In fact, I am using XP, (and I might add, not too happy with the digital rights crap it has) But I sure as HELL won&#39;t get Longhorn, I&#39;ll tell ya that much, not until , and IF it&#39;s safe to do so if at all.

P.S. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Got a REAL kick outta that GAYBOY Richard Simmons as well, FUNNYYYYYYYYY :P :lol: :lol: :lol:

[the-ninja69]

Originally posted by RGX@16 May 2003 - 11:36

There is no God and no Devil, Humans are responsible for there own actions, if we fuck up this Planet then no one will save us.

your opinion, you are welcome to it, I personally disagree but this is for another topic, sweeping statements like that usually lead to flame wars

secondly, do you reckon someone will be able to crack longhorn? For download use?
Hell ya i agree. Ya keep your fucking athiest shit to yourself.

DEVIL&#33;

LOL YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR THAT COMMENT&#33;

[XtremeWaianae]

I think everyone whos seen this thread knows that knowlage to the public is key to the survival of freedom computing. Now pireting is wrong and shouldnt be done but neather is lieing that microsoft contiusouly dose&#33;&#33; And avoiding the truth and putting on masks of things that shouldnt be done is lieing. And if you want proof of weather or not what microsoft is doing is truth, look at all the elemts of microsoft.

Hotmail.com infects your in box with spam and wont let you fix it unless you upgrade, and a hundered times lets you download there awsome .NET software that amazeingly lets you communicate with your friends and family allows you to log on to everything with one UN and PW and OMG&#33; KEEPS SPAM OUT OF YOUR MAIL BOX&#33; well if it was that easy why dont you keep it out in the first place? Isnt microsoft supposed to be your frendly butterfly? Oh of corse, you got to buy there OS and the mail account and the passports spending close to 250&#036; just to get an email box without spam. Horray were saved, i hated paying nothing for an email box that came with my isp. Of cose you could have them as your isp. ha.......ha ha ha ha.......ha.........ha........ooooooo that was funny&#33; Now they are giving there .NET service and shitty email and messageing away for free. Hummmm...sounds like when they were giveing away there DOS program away for free, how long till the day a message appears one day saying you can upgrade now to the newest bug filled program that controls your computer better thenever before by microsoft for a small payment every month or you can install this little pakage that checks if it is pireted version and keeps you from useing it? Im not shure i hate it so i dont use it, so mabe they have.

But everyone needs to tell everyone about longhorn/palladium. Your school teachers, computer teachers, boses, family, friends, humm.. i wonder what would happen if the news took to this???? :D :devil: good way to tell your coumminty im shure that would make things a little hot and stuffy at microsoft, but as much publicty as the truths of palladium is aired as much money microsoft will be spending to keep it off the air until microsoft can first reach the people and tell them about how great it is for everyone :D .

I think we have untill 2005 befor microsoft will publicise there crappy program thats alot of time to direct people to this site http://www.stoppalladium.org/html/ wich im shure most people have herd of that knows anything about palladium. I encourage everyone to share the wealth of knowlage.

Ive said a lot because im angry with microsoft and please add on and correct me. I also suck at spelling if you didnt notice, sorry ;)

No longhorn ever&#33; Thats my story and im stick&#39;n to it&#33;

[ljossberir]

ill back shockandawe on this actually, I have very good sources concurring.
If it IS true, put away the conjecture, and we need to start organizing a FRONT to keep comps and the NET for the people&#33;

[MenderOne]

XTREME, Excellent and valid point&#39;s made there, Touche&#33; :D Thanks for the link, any and all info that&#39;s available is great for edification.

Many are angered by what Microsoft has done, it&#39;s a shame that the prospect of what could have been a GREAT asset to the computing community, (namely the ease of use and the many contributions that Microsoft has given to us) has stooped to such Low levels and has been CORRUPTED by individuals, motivated by control, greed , etc. (It&#39;s a shame , that that&#39;s the way things work in many aspects in this world).

There are many at Microsoft that worked hard and long hours to help bring us some good, and then there are those within the higher corporate level, that unbeknownst to many of those good people, have taken their hard work, and undermined it, twisted it to suit their alterior motives.

I feel for those good individuals, as I can only imagine how many heads are nodding in disapproval ,and feel helpless as they have bills to pay and need to earn a living. Hopefully in time our judicial system will wake up, and champions of our freedom will remember what this country is about, and begin to intervene and put a halt to this.

There should be a court system division, made up of experts in computing, and the presiding judges should be individuals who are up to the times in computing, who can see through false claims and unmask those with good court tactics, as many judges are not very knowledgable regarding computer issues, and are easily fooled into believing this is good, by false claims of computer "security" protocols and such.

I would&#39;nt be surprised if some bright individuals arrange this into our judicial infrastruture , as there is definately a need for this, but then again, there will always be.............CORRUPTION. <_<

[MenderOne]

Here&#39;s what two TOP cryptographers had to say about Longhorn / Paladium, now called NGSCB,( hmmmmmmm I wonder why they changed the name? )read it HERE (http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20030415S0013)

[slaphappy]

Some more fuel for the fire, see: The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/30637.html) . It&#39;s related to this topic in that it&#39;s about Microsoft&#39;s desire to control and restrict file sharing etc.

Basically, it&#39;s a report about more of the same old corporate-speak shit as espoused by Microsoft&#39;s Steve Ballmer. You can almost taste the duplicity.

[slaphappy]

Some more fuel for the fire, see: The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/30637.html) . It&#39;s related to this topic in that it&#39;s about Microsoft&#39;s desire to control and restrict file sharing etc.

Basically, it&#39;s a report about more of the same old corporate-speak shit as espoused by Microsoft&#39;s Steve Ballmer. You can almost taste the duplicity.

[slaphappy]

Some more fuel for the fire, see: The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/30637.html) . It&#39;s related to this topic in that it&#39;s about Microsoft&#39;s desire to control and restrict file sharing etc.

Basically, it&#39;s a report about more of the same old corporate-speak shit as espoused by Microsoft&#39;s Steve Ballmer. You can almost taste the duplicity.