Is downloading copyright materials stealing? {Some Food for thought}

[kazaaman]

Is downloading copyright materials stealing?


Well to answer this question, we must first define what stealing is.

Steal (v. stole (stl), sto·len (stln), steal·ing, steals)

1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
2. To get or effect surreptitiously or artfully: steal a kiss; stole the ball from an opponent.
3. To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.

Definition Source (http://www.tfd.com/steal)

While the three definitions above apply to us file-sharers, the first one is of interest in this topic.

The 1st definition is technically correct; we do "steal" when we download copyrighted data. Yes, it is technically stealing but technicality sometimes doesn't work very well on the internet. :noes:

Below are 3 scenarios which may clear all this up....

Scenario 1:
I download an program and discover that it doesn't do it's job well and sucks. I uninstall it from my computer.

By definition #1 this is stealing, but human intuition tells us that if we had bought it, the company would have taken our money unfairly!! :angry:

Conclusion 1: Not stealing because we tried the program, didn't like it and uninstalled it.


Scenario 2:
I download a movie a week before it comes out on DVD out of curiosity and find it thoroughly enjoyable. When it's released in stores a week or two later ;), I go to my neighborhood entertainment store and purchase it.

Again, by definition numero 1 this is stealing, but human intuition tells us that we paid for the DVD so therefore its ok.

Conclusion 2: Not stealing because we bought it when it came out.


Scenario 3:
I download a/some mp3s and love listenin' to it/them. When the CD comes out, I refuse to buy it/support the artist in any way.

Last but not least, by definition #1 this is stealing and my human intuition says that I like this/these song(s), therefore I should support the artist.

Conclusion 3: Definitely stealing!!! You are enjoying music someone has worked to make, yet you aren't supporting the creator.

I've given the scenarios above to emphasize one thing, download all you want from our beloved P2P networks, but if you truly like something, then please BUY IT!

If you are still having a lil trouble understanding just read the following below.

Real Life = In Bold
Internet = {}

- You walk into a store and like the look of a particular shirt
- {Ads/Word of Mouth on internet}

- You go into the fitting rooms to try it on
- {Downloading from P2P network and installing}

- You either like the shirt or you don't

- You go to the cashier if you liked it
- {You keep the program on your computer and buy/support it}

- You didn't like it so you put the shirt back on the rack and leave the store empty
- {Uninstalled the program and be worry free!}

The basic underlying message in all of this is BUY/SUPPORT it (whatever it may be) if you like it, and LEAVE IT ALONE if you don't!

This article was mainly posted so that some questions about filesharing be answered as there is no one yes or no answer for this topic. I know that I am a pretty moral person and I know there are many others like me out there so I hope this helps you guys in making your decision, whatever it may be.

[Ivanov]

Another example:
The public libraries offer reading of thousands copyrighted books for symbolically subscription that is much lower than real book price.

[kazaaman]

Yea, very true there Ivanov!

[Broken]

It's all stealing, doesn't matter why you do it. It doesn't even matter if you plan on buying whatever it is later. It's all unjustifyable.

Now the real question is - Does it bother you that you are stilling. For me, nine times out of ten the answer is no.

[Barbarossa]

I believe it's only morally wrong if you intend to profit from the material you download.

[shikotee]

I do not think that stealing is the right term to use at all.
It implies that by *taking*, you are denying someone else the use of the thin you have taken.

For example - If I steal your car, you will not have anything to drive in.
If you steal a digital file, you are just grabbing a copy, and thus not denying the owner of use.

My take is that if you are snagging things for *shits and giggles* - ie personal experimentation, then there should be no problems.

If, however, you are taking things and you are using them to support your business, or make money, then what you are doing is wrong.

I like to think that lots of people who are downloading would not be able to get these things because of their limited finances. I say - all the power to them! The wealthy already own and control so much of this world - we need some sort of way to stick it to them!

On the other hand - if you are wealthy, and you are still trying to snag things for free, then you are just plain CHEAP. Then again, maybe this explains how you managed to accumulate your wealth....

[kazaaman]

Barbarossa & shikotee, I've never thought of it that way. I'll continue to think about this. Hmm.....

As for you Broken, I'd take a look at myself and see why "stealing" isn't affecting you in any way. Our world, especially in the U.S. and Europe has become very dishonorable as people do everything and anything they can to be better than their peers. Just today we had a discussion in our english class about cheating and why students these days just do it. I say if you don't know the answer for a particular question or something, don't be a pussy and cheat. Man up and have some pride and courage; be responsible for your actions. This way, you'll be in check for the future and wont go down like the folks at Enron.....

[Hairbautt]

I believe it's only morally wrong if you intend to profit from the material you download.
:yup: Besides, I buy progs that I like. Important software to have a 'trial version' for (like what has been said) = AV/Firewall. Cause some just suck.:dry:

[4play]

Its not stealing, if it was then you would be tried in a criminal court rather than a civil court.

Downloading music you dont own the copyright to is copyright infringement nothing else.

copyright is a sort of contract between artists and the public. We have given them the right to be the owner of that work for a set amount of time (95 years in the u.s.a and 50 here in the u.k). they get exclusive us of it and can charge a fee for people who want to use it. After this time it become public domain and its available for anyone to use.

The whole reason behind copyright is to encourage the sciences and the arts to produce works. For instance would a company who spent millions of pounds researching and developing a product that benefits people have bothered if the companies competition can use their work for free.

now how exactly can copyright infringement be called stealing. you are just not living up to your part of a agreement which falls into the civil courts here.

[Hairbautt]

[C]opyright is a sort of contract between Record Companies and the public.Fixed, as I believe they say. :happy:

[WHiKWiRE]

This question always seems to rub me the wrong way.

Everyone who partakes in filesharing is always going to have to rationalize with themselves about downloading copy copyrighted materials. It all comes to down to morals I would think.

For me personally not having a lot of money made me turn to filesharing. The fact of the matter is I can't afford to go the theatres, rent/buy games, rent/buy movies or even purchasing a piece of software. So how do get the applications I need for school and how do I stay entertained on a Saturday night you ask? This site

[4play]

[C]opyright is a sort of contract between Record Companies and the public.Fixed, as I believe they say. :happy:

your sort of right.
There are all different sorts of copyrights to do with music. Some belong to the record comapnies some belong to the artists and some belong to the writer.

[kazaaman]

Everyone who partakes in filesharing is always going to have to rationalize with themselves about downloading copy copyrighted materials. It all comes to down to morals I would think.

Not all filesharers have to rationalize with themselves about downloading copyright material as filesharing is exactly what it sounds like; sharing files. There are many programs that are distributed on P2P freely like OpenOffice. I am a pretty technical person so I'd so most people download copyright material and in doing so most of them have to rationalize for themselves.

@4Play

I'm not talking about the court system as law is interpreted differently in each country. This topic is intended to more on a moral concept.