Child Porn Prison Sentences

[Proper Bo]

I just saw a programme about a man who received over 1000 years in prison for more than 80 counts of child pornography. I was wondering what people's opinions are on this penalty as it is the second longest ever.

I am not saying I think this man is right at all (in fact the very opposite) but does nobody find it strange that this man received a longer sentence than mass murderer's, child rapists/murderer's, serial killers etc. when he never physically hurt anyone (directly)? Surely distributing child porn is not as bad as raping and/or murdering a child or several children.

I feel I had better repeat, I am not on this man's side, just incase that did not come across there.

[J'Pol]

Is it concurrent or consecutive.

[Proper Bo]

I don't understand what they mean. I know he is in there for the 1000+ years straight if that's what you mean. It has now actually been shortened to 180 years though.

[kdm172]

LMAO shortened to 180 years????HAHAHA it would be easier to say for one lifetime instead of changing it all the time. But I do agree that noone should have anything to do with child porn.

[Proper Bo]

That wasn't what I was saying. I was wondering what people's opinions on this man getting a longer sentence than child murderer's and rapists.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@20 May 2003 - 22:45
I don't understand what they mean. I know he is in there for the 1000+ years straight if that's what you mean. It has now actually been shortened to 180 years though.
So how did that work

Did he win appeals against some convictions, or on some of the sentences.

[namzuf9]

Whats the point in giving someone a 1000 year prison sentence?
Why not just say "I sentence you to spend your life in jail. You will die there. But not before being gang raped and tortured on a daily basis"

[kdm172]

Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@20 May 2003 - 21:48
That wasn't what I was saying. I was wondering what people's opinions on this man getting a longer sentence than child murderer's and rapists.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.. i dont think he should since he didnt do anything phsyicaly to her

[Proper Bo]

Yes, an appeal.
But still, I was wondering what people's opinions on this man getting a longer sentence than child murderer's and rapists.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@20 May 2003 - 22:48
That wasn't what I was saying. I was wondering what people's opinions on this man getting a longer sentence than child murderer's and rapists.
Did he perhaps have significant antecedants.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by kdm172+20 May 2003 - 22:50--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kdm172 @ 20 May 2003 - 22:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Proper Bo@ I tell thee,20 May 2003 - 21:48
That wasn&#39;t what I was saying. I was wondering what people&#39;s opinions on this man getting a longer sentence than child murderer&#39;s and rapists.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.. i dont think he should since he didnt do anything phsyicaly to her [/b][/quote]
Didn&#39;t physically do anything to whom.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by namzuf9@20 May 2003 - 22:50
Whats the point in giving someone a 1000 year prison sentence?
Why not just say "I sentence you to spend your life in jail. You will die there. But not before being gang raped and tortured on a daily basis"
Depending on where one is in the world there may be statutory sentences for the crime in question.

Judges don&#39;t just make it up as they go along.

They must also follow the lead of a more senior judge who has sentenced on a case of similar fact / seriousness.

[Proper Bo]

It was lots of different sets of photo&#39;s. They showed one on the TV, it was horrible. A little girl was being raped on a bed and was forced to wear a spiked dog collar. She was crying her eyes out the poor kid. :(

[kdm172]

Originally posted by JPaul+20 May 2003 - 21:51--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 20 May 2003 - 21:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -kdm172@20 May 2003 - 22:50
<!--QuoteBegin--Proper Bo@ I tell thee,20 May 2003 - 21:48
That wasn&#39;t what I was saying. I was wondering what people&#39;s opinions on this man getting a longer sentence than child murderer&#39;s and rapists.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.. i dont think he should since he didnt do anything phsyicaly to her
Didn&#39;t physically do anything to whom.[/b][/quote]
sry i misread the first post

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Proper Bo@ I tell thee,20 May 2003 - 22:54
It was lots of different sets of photo&#39;s. They showed one on the TV, it was horrible. A little girl was being raped on a bed and was forced to wear a spiked dog collar. She was crying her eyes out the poor thing. :(
They showed this on television.

Where exactly do you live.

I find it difficult to believe that any UK broadcaster would show such an image.

They would be prosecuted for doing so.

[The Knife Thrower]

Originally posted by namzuf9@20 May 2003 - 21:50
Whats the point in giving someone a 1000 year prison sentence?
Why not just say "I sentence you to spend your life in jail. You will die there. But not before being gang raped and tortured on a daily basis"
If you say to someone that they will never get out of jail then you are violating their human rights (you would be violating their right to life). So if you tell someone that they can be in for only 1000 years then you are not violating their human rights (cause you are letting them walk free after 100 years).

[Proper Bo]

It was just on BBC2 before, it was blanked over her face and the other area.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by The Knife Thrower+20 May 2003 - 22:57--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Knife Thrower @ 20 May 2003 - 22:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--namzuf9@20 May 2003 - 21:50
Whats the point in giving someone a 1000 year prison sentence?
Why not just say "I sentence you to spend your life in jail. You will die there. But not before being gang raped and tortured on a daily basis"
If you say to someone that they will never get out of jail then you are violating their human rights (you would be violating their right to life). So if you tell someone that they can be in for only 1000 years then you are not violating their human rights (cause you are letting them walk free after 100 years). [/b][/quote]
Pish

The right in question would be the right to liberty.

The Courts are perfectly entitled to take that away.

Mr Blunkett is proposing life (for certain crimes) meaning just that. Currently a Judge will recommend a minimum term when sentencing to life.

If the Home Sec has his way then Life will mean just that (for the named crimes).

[Bass]

Any one involved with child pornography should get life.....how the f@#k can you re-habilitate sick bastards like that.......and for those that actually commit these repugnant attrocities, they should get fried on the fuckin chair&#33;&#33;&#33;


cheers,
Bass

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by The Knife Thrower@20 May 2003 - 21:57
If you say to someone that they will never get out of jail then you are violating their human rights (you would be violating their right to life). So if you tell someone that they can be in for only 1000 years then you are not violating their human rights (cause you are letting them walk free after 100 years).
Thats just stupid. Some of these human rights laws that are springing up everywhere are a load of crap. In cases like these; screw human rights&#33;

If the law does not allow a rastafarian to comsume and sell cannabis on religious grounds then why should it protect the rights of murders, rapists and nonces.

Edit: Sorry about the very vaugue reference but a case like this did come up in the UK a few years back.

[Spindulik]

Think of this&#33;

You innocently visit a web site, then suddenly you are bombarded by popups, A few which are Child Porn ads and pictures. Naturally, you immediately close those. ....Those evil people and them popups&#33;

Guess what, you have illegal content in your computer&#33; It is stored in your cache, up to 30 days. As a matter of fact. The cache is loaded with all sorts of copyright stuff too&#33; Even when you clear your history and files, those files are "marked" as deleted, but actually still reside on the hard drive until something else takes its place. Explain that to detectives, who are searching your hard drive with recovery software.

I don&#39;t believe there is a law that "excuses" you to harbor copyright files in your cache. I should make that my share folder, eh? Somehow I changed the topic to file sharing. Sorry.

[Wolfmight]

Originally posted by Proper Bo@ I tell thee,20 May 2003 - 15:38
I just saw a programme about a man who received over 1000 years in prison for more than 80 counts of child pornography. I was wondering what people&#39;s opinions are on this penalty as it is the second longest ever.

I am not saying I think this man is right at all (in fact the very opposite) but does nobody find it strange that this man received a longer sentence than mass murderer&#39;s, child rapists/murderer&#39;s, serial killers etc. when he never physically hurt anyone (directly)? Surely distributing child porn is not as bad as raping and/or murdering a child or several children.

I feel I had better repeat, I am not on this man&#39;s side, just incase that did not come across there.
instead of 1000, they should say life sentence... meaning the guy should just commit suicide if he&#39;s like only 20-30 or run away and join another country and never turn back.
I hope he just feels like shit the rest of his life for all i care..

[Wolfmight]

Originally posted by Spindulik@20 May 2003 - 18:11
Think of this&#33;

You innocently visit a web site, then suddenly you are bombarded by popups, A few which are Child Porn ads and pictures. Naturally, you immediately close those. ....Those evil people and them popups&#33;

Guess what, you have illegal content in your computer&#33; It is stored in your cache, up to 30 days. As a matter of fact. The cache is loaded with all sorts of copyright stuff too&#33; Even when you clear your history and files, those files are "marked" as deleted, but actually still reside on the hard drive until something else takes its place. Explain that to detectives, who are searching your hard drive with recovery software.

I don&#39;t believe there is a law that "excuses" you to harbor copyright files in your cache. I should make that my share folder, eh? Somehow I changed the topic to file sharing. Sorry.
you have a point there... alot of nonguilty people that hate childporn are now targets...

they only arrest those whom host the website with the content really.. :x

[tianup]

WTF? Interesting (read: weird and confusing) little path this thread has taken. Anyway. The obvious conclusion here is that the punishment should fit the crime. The most extreme sentences should apply to the most extreme crimes. I certainly don&#39;t support child porn, and think those that do should be placed in solitary or given frontal lobotomies, but how the fuck does having pictures surpass murder or rape, especially that of children? And what about the comparison of busting idiots with pictures or video on their hard drives, when the crazy, sick fucker who&#39;s creating the video&#39;s and pictures is still out there?

The biggest problem is that this media actually promotes the idea of really doing these things to children to those who probably would not have even thought of it. Some poor little 10 year old girl was found raped, cut up into pieces, and stuffed into two different pieces of luggage floating off the shore of one of the most peaceful and secure areas of the city I live in last week. If that didn&#39;t somehow have something to do with child porn, I would be pretty fucking surprised.

IMHO, they should create a standard so that there could be no accidental convictions, and simply execute ANY and EVERY motherfucker that had ANYTHING to do with child porn. And I don&#39;t really believe in capital punishment, but for sick, sick people who would destroy innocent children for pleasure?.....I would gladly carry out every single sentence with my bare hands. :angry: :angry: :angry: :swear: :swear: :swear:



Ummm, :unsure: I think I just went in a big rhetorical circle, but hopefully I made my point.

[insanebassman]

I agree with the execution of child porographers... there was a case here in Phoenix, AZ recently, a guy got 200 years. He was convicted for 20 of the sveral thouand articles of porn he had, all of which were child porn. The fucker had 3 year olds being raped on video and shit...

yeah, he did not touch any of them... but the assholes in every picture and film did... He paid them to do that. He asked them all vicariously to touch those babies. He asked them to by purchasing the material. This was on his computer, in note books, on VHS and CD... he had all media.

You are convicted of murder for hiring a hit man... why not be convicted for hiring a child rapist? I know who he is. SHould he ever get out because of bleeding heart mother fuckers, and try to come back to phoenix, I will make him suffer and disappear. I have a 6 year old daughter. The thought of some one like this guy and the people he supports existing in the same world as her make me homicidal.


Kil them all, the "actors" who do it, the producers, the kidnappers, the people who sell it and buy it. Burn them alive &#33;&#33;&#33;

[thegroggman]

Kil them all, the "actors" who do it, the producers, the kidnappers, the people who sell it and buy it. Burn them alive &#33;&#33;&#33; Strong words my friend, very strong. But nevertheless very true. These are some sick bastards who commit these crimes, people complain about their human rights...what about the rights of the child whos life they have stolen? People seem to forget the child in these type of cases...I know, the court systems are suppose to be fair and just...and locking up some sick fuck for 1000 years...that is fair. Ok...I agree that people who view this type of material should not be executed...but they should be locked up for the rest of their life. Even if it is just one offense. As for the people who actually touch the child...well I am typically against the death penalty but these animals attack the very essence of human society (our children) and the only just thing to do is to remove them...permanantly.

[hypoluxa3k]

"If the law does not allow a rastafarian to comsume and sell cannabis on religious grounds then why should it protect the rights of murders, rapists and nonces."

exactly&#33; :angry:

[UKMan]

My views about child pornography are well known on this board so i dont need to repeat them. Debates of this kind allways end up in an argument or the very least slanging matches.

There is no such thing as justice for the victim&#33;
The LAW sucks, in UK, USA and even in Sweden.
It depends on how much cash you have, plea bargaining and whether the Judge or Lawer representing you got laid the night before.

I dont have to justify my thoughts about it, they are my own opinions and thats that. If you dont like them, tough&#33;&#33;

Child molestors should be locked up for life&#33;
Child porn sellers/buyers/producers should be locked up for life&#33;

I think the guy deserves what he got&#33;

I dont give a monkeys balls about comparing it to any other crime - murderers/rapists/ etc&#33;

Peace
UKMan

[The Knife Thrower]

Originally posted by Spindulik@21 May 2003 - 00:11
Think of this&#33;

You innocently visit a web site, then suddenly you are bombarded by popups, A few which are Child Porn ads and pictures. Naturally, you immediately close those. ....Those evil people and them popups&#33;

Guess what, you have illegal content in your computer&#33; It is stored in your cache, up to 30 days. As a matter of fact. The cache is loaded with all sorts of copyright stuff too&#33; Even when you clear your history and files, those files are "marked" as deleted, but actually still reside on the hard drive until something else takes its place. Explain that to detectives, who are searching your hard drive with recovery software.

I don&#39;t believe there is a law that "excuses" you to harbor copyright files in your cache. I should make that my share folder, eh? Somehow I changed the topic to file sharing. Sorry.
If you accidentally stumble upon this shit then no one will do anything. The people who they arrest are the ones who have saved thousands of the images on their computers.

[Spindulik]

Originally posted by tianup@21 May 2003 - 01:28
...the punishment should fit the crime. The most extreme sentences should apply to the most extreme crimes...
You have a pont&#33; My theory is, that most countries have laws that were written years ago. People back then were more civil and didn&#39;t have the crimes and sickos that we have today. The old, and new, laws need to be revised for today&#39;s times.

[StrikeNinja]

I think it should be like this

Possession of Child Porn = prison for a long time

Murder if there is undeniable proof = death

rape = death etc...

[Rat Faced]

Im a little on the Liberal side....

Posession of Child Porn = Chemical Castration

Child Molestation = Throw him to a load of pissed off parents and then jail him in the public population of a High Security Prison for a long time

Rape: Both of the above

Murder = Eye for an Eye..............wtf should i pay taxes to &#39;educate&#39; him/her?

[Proper Bo]

damn right

[The Knife Thrower]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@21 May 2003 - 19:25
Posession of Child Porn = Chemical Castration
Are you sure about that. Wouldn&#39;t it be more painful to use a mousetrap with a rusty spike.

[insanebassman]

Originally posted by The Knife Thrower@21 May 2003 - 14:15

Are you sure about that. Wouldn&#39;t it be more painful to use a mousetrap with a rusty spike.
I could not agree more, but make sure it is salty and has sat in a tub of infected feces for a day or two