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[nahan]

This whole anika sorensen on the mens tour is bullshit.
Women and the politcal outcries for equal rights in sports has just sunk to a new low.
Whats next women playing mens soccer,mens football,mens tennis,and the allready redicules mens hockey.

Equal rights in sports are nice and all but only in theory,and deffinently not pratical.Think about it

Men playing womens golf ,men dont do it simply cause its a joke.
Why are they seperate to begin with.

[kAb]

god damn sexist men. are you guys to wussy to let a woman play?

grow the fuck up.

people like you should wake up and stop living in the 17th century

[nicholas2]

are men allowed to join women's sports?

and if they can why don't they?

[Nimdock]

I don't know if you agree with me, but women asking to be equal is what sets a precedent for differences...

In sports it is just separate things, a woman could beat a man, for example, she could beat me :D, It just organizational... There are tournaments for men, and there are for women, to me is that simple.

[imtoshort]

its ridiculous to let a women play a mans sport. they should have a seperate tournament for the ladies!

[nahan]

Would the LPGA let me join the tour if I was able to make the cutt.
Even though I wasnt good enough to make the mens tour cutts ?

A fair question should receive a fair awnser.

[soopaman]

There's no way I approve of Annika Sorenstam playing in the PGA. There is a big difference in yardage between the womens courses and the mens. Sorenstam, if she makes the cut, will have to hit the ball 2 miles further than normal over 4 rounds of golf. It's just a publicity stunt to generate interest. What next mixed boxing????? If women and men are equal they should give it a try.

[Proper Bo]

Very good point. I think the point trying to be made here is that yes, women shold be allowed equality BUT allowing them to play sports with men is just not practical. Face it, men are phsyically stronger, therefore a faster swing and an unfair disadvantage for the women. Hence women's tournaments.
For more proof of this, try pitting a heavyweight woman boxer against Lennox Lewis. see if that makes sense!

[DarthInsinuate]

if women played with men they wouldn't win anything - for the reasons Proper Bo said
then they wouldn't get any prize money, so they'll complain about inequality.

Annika Sorenstam playing in the PGA sounds like a publicity stunt, because golf is boring, why would people want to watch golf

The other day i turned on my TV to watch Ready, Steady, Cook - but the golf was on :angry:
I turned over to watch Richard and Judy - but the cricket was on :angry:

[nahan]

Originally posted by soopaman@24 May 2003 - 08:37
There's no way I approve of Annika Sorenstam playing in the PGA. There is a big difference in yardage between the womens courses and the mens. Sorenstam, if she makes the cut, will have to hit the ball 2 miles further than normal over 4 rounds of golf. It's just a publicity stunt to generate interest. What next mixed boxing????? If women and men are equal they should give it a try.
I was hoping someone would bring up this point of publicity,golf attendance is down.And big surpise they sold out yesterday.
They also noted on the sports channels how well she did ,she beat 27 men
whoppie .
Yet they all failed to mention she came in around 77th overall and at a +1.
Not very good .
I think they would be better off finding a Happy Gilmour,that way it would be less of a freak show.(kidding.....maybe)

And Ill put money on it this is somehow related to Hootie Johnson.
For those who dont know or cant remember,he is the president of the only all men golf club in America based in Atlanta.
Women complained and campained to have equal rights to be able to get membership.

Imagine all the women only clubs ,organizations ,and such .
Would women let men enter ? since were pratically being forced out of equality and discrimination

V.J. sihgn said Its a disgrace and said if he was drawn to play w/ her he would withdraw from the tour.Funny he didnt show.
He also said it was basically a joke and the women would never let a man play in their tour,and she was also taking a valuable spot for young progressing golfers.

I remember the days when Mike Weir would barely make the cutt and look at him now ,he won the masters and is beating Tiger Woods in money leaders.
I wonder if the next Mike Weir isnt going to make the cutt because Anika want to play w/ the big boys.

[The Knife Thrower]

Originally posted by DarthInsinuate@24 May 2003 - 09:14
if women played with men they wouldn't win anything - for the reasons Proper Bo said
then they wouldn't get any prize money, so they'll complain about inequality.

Annika Sorenstam playing in the PGA sounds like a publicity stunt, because golf is boring, why would people want to watch golf

The other day i turned on my TV to watch Ready, Steady, Cook - but the golf was on :angry:
I turned over to watch Richard and Judy - but the cricket was on :angry:
Ready Steay Cook??? Now we should get you to a hospital.

[nahan]

Yeah ...I think its time you get satilight .
200 channels of nothing isnt enough, I need at least 500 channels just in case.
So much trash on the television now a days and commercials are a joke.

[tyberius]

Calm down people. Golf is not a sport. Letting women play golf with men is like letting women play ches with men.

[UKMan]

:D Im so damn puny my grandchildren can beat me at anything, let alone a woman :D

Now mixed mud wrestling - thats fun ;)

Peace
UKMan (mixed mud wrestling fan)

[Xanex]

@tyberius

The mind is different to the body.

@general topic

Women are physically weaker than men women are at a severe disadvantage against men in "sport" i dont know if u would call chess a sport ect, im not sexist nor should people think that i am just because i have these opinions.
But as many voices have spoken on this subject I think that she should give up the ghost and go back to playing womens golf.
Finishing 77th with a +1 is laughable.

Women playing against mens goals is silly, they have womens divisions for a reason.

I play county level table tennis. In the leagues yes I play against women, and some of them are very good and beat me. They are smaller and so therefore closer to the table. But at higher levels the mens skill is greater and it is just unfair to pit them against an opponent with such a strong advantage. I mean we have age and weight catagorys for most other sports!!!

Whats next women in F1??? They may be good but it introduces another vairable into the sport which cannot be calcualted.

Women , i have to admit, are better than men in SOME, not all, areas while others men are better and in the rest we are equal.
If anything i woulda thought women would be better at chess since they use that side of the brain more, heh go fig'
The human race has changed, now we find women beating men in tradtional men areas and men beating women in traditional women areas. We are evolving.

Men and women are not equal, they are different. If we where equal then we would be the same, but we are not. Politcally and socially every one deserves the same rights as the next person. But in areas like sport and such we should be divided.

Xanex

[nahan]

Hear hear

[clocker]

Originally posted by Xanex@24 May 2003 - 05:58


Whats next women in F1??? They may be good but it introduces another vairable into the sport which cannot be calcualted.


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[insanebassman]

I gave this topic some thought...

I agree that men and women are not equal. Men pale in compatison on some grounds and women are just not up to snuff on others.

Then there are the exceptions. Take my ex Jewlia for example. We spared (she studied Akido and Kung-fu , I study Jui-Jitsu) . She could drop me almost as well as I could drop her. I was, at the time, 5 foot 9 inches and 189 pounds, she was 5 foot 4 inches, 105 punds. Yet her skill made her my equal.

If women can pass the same tests with no curves or help, they should be allowed to participate.... the same for men in women's area.

this would make an unfortunate situation though. Then, all strength dominated sports would go to men as a majority. Most finesse based to women, but not to such an extreme. If women want the definition of equality that this topic touches on, they should make it total. Drop the women's leagues and make all things open. But then the complaining would start again as men pushed women out like I said. Not using rules, but natural biology.

There should be a seperation to keep the different levels of competivness interesting and fair to the sore of those levels.

My point is not entirely clear here, but I agree that there should be a practicle seperation.

[FlamingYob]

I think it's stupid as well, they have a womans league, so they need to stick to it. I don't think women should play mens sports with the men.

[Skweeky]

well, I'm going to answer this anyway, although I'm a girl.

I think the seperate sports are a good thing for most women, BUT, there are other women who should be allowed to join the men's sports I think. I'm pretty strong and I've always trained along with the boys in gymnastics, handball and volleyball and I still was one of the best of the team....It differs from person to person I guess

[mrcall1969]

If women are as good as men in a sport then there is no reason why they shouldn't compete along side them.

Pretty soon I'm sure that there will be mixed Golf, Snooker and Darts etc.

[Spindulik]

Originally posted by kAb@24 May 2003 - 05:30
god damn sexist men. are you guys to wussy to let a woman play?

grow the fuck up.

people like you should wake up and stop living in the 17th century
Have you gotten a good look at that girl? She looks sort of like a man. Kind of "Dykish".

[Spindulik]

Originally posted by tyberius@24 May 2003 - 12:36
Calm down people. Golf is not a sport. Letting women play golf with men is like letting women play ches with men.
I vote that the Olympics should be unisex! And let the best man/woman/dyke win. Especially in the weight lifting!

[clocker]

Originally posted by Spindulik@24 May 2003 - 21:27

Have you gotten a good look at that girl? She looks sort of like a man. Kind of "Dykish".
Ah...so that would make two reasons to discriminate against her?

[Spindulik]

...and one more thing!

After the woman's football in the USA, are they going to have live news interviews in the woman's locker rooms with male reporters?

[clocker]

Originally posted by Spindulik@24 May 2003 - 21:35
...and one more thing!

After the woman's football in the USA, are they going to have live news interviews in the woman's locker rooms with male reporters?
Fox sports certainly will!

[FlamingYob]

Women, pfft, I have my hand, less nagging...

*goes off mumbling drunkenly*

[Spindulik]

Whatever the network it was, they had to put their stupid icons and banners at the bottom of the screen, then you couldn't see her put on the gree. I misssed the visual of her missing the hole!

I don't know why I bother to buy a 27" color TV when all the networks crop everything down to a 15" viewable screen.

[Xanex]

If women are allowed to join mens sports and do shit, whats going to happen if a bloke decdies to join a womens league, all hell will break loose as most likely the man would beat 95% of the competition.

I say keep already seperated sports seperate but introduce an open league or something, this would be good for the tv as its another competition to cover.

Xan

[nahan]

Originally posted by Xanex@25 May 2003 - 09:54
If women are allowed to join mens sports and do shit, whats going to happen if a bloke decdies to join a womens league, all hell will break loose as most likely the man would beat 95% of the competition.

I say keep already seperated sports seperate but introduce an open league or something, this would be good for the tv as its another competition to cover.

Xan
Thats what I dont understand,tlk about reverse discrimination.

[TIDE-HSV]

Some points to think over. The PGA has never had a rule against any gender. It's not the MPGA.* Women have played before, although not in fifty years, and a woman will play in one more tournament this year. She was not taking a slot away from a progressing golfer. Every tournament has "exemptions" to hand out and the Colonial had eleven. Such slots go to a variety of people for a variety of reasons. Her publicity and the attendant $$$ made the Colonial, and CBS, think it was a good deal for them. It was. Contrary to what you may have heard, and what's been said in this thread, she doesn't lack the length to play Colonial. Her drives compared very favorably to her two playing partners. Had she not let the nerves get to her the second day, she could easily have made the cut and beaten quite a few men. Her limitation is really lack of wrist strength to handle the rough and the fact that's she's just a so-so putter. I don't see a token appearance like this as world-shaking. If she competed on a regular basis, she should, and would have to, go to Q-School. If she tried to get exemptions for every tournament, she would get turned down, after the novelty wore off. I don't think all need to worry about her competing week in - week out. OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see her become a fixture at the Colonial - the only tournament site that really fits her game.

*The LPGA does have a membership limitation to ladies only. This is perfectly legal under US laws.

[Wolfmight]

Originally posted by nahan@23 May 2003 - 22:29
This whole anika sorensen on the mens tour is bullshit.
Women and the politcal outcries for equal rights in sports has just sunk to a new low.
Whats next women playing mens soccer,mens football,mens tennis,and the allready redicules mens hockey.

Equal rights in sports are nice and all but only in theory,and deffinently not pratical.Think about it

Men playing womens golf ,men dont do it simply cause its a joke.
Why are they seperate to begin with.
wat about... female rugby?

barbarian chicks :( :x

[clocker]

I am quite surprised by the ferocity and duration of this thread for two reasons-

1) I didn't think anyone here was a passionate golfer

2)Having been twice married I have learned (too late, alas) NEVER to underestimate the fairer sex.

The newest generation of female atheletes ( exemplified by the Williams sisters ) are taking women's sports to new and previously undreampt of levels of strength, endurance and , for lack of a better word, masculine competitiveness. There is nothing remotely ladylike about their tennis. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to see this trend continue. Certainly, there will always be sports where mere gender will always confer an advantage ( unless you are East German maybe), but in more and more skill-based games ( including F1 racing) there is no reason to automatically dismiss the possibility of a successful female competitor. Given the same opportunities and training from a young age, females are just as capable as males. Maybe even more so.
If you've had kids you will be familiar with the fact that girls become stronger and more coordinated than boys at an earlier age. This would be a major advantage in early training in say, go kart racing, which is a vital stepping stone to big time racing. Given enough support there could be an upcoming crop of girl motorsports participants who would rule many forms of racing. They would have more experience at any given age level and wouldn't be afflicted with testosterone poisoning, which ends many a promising career ( i.e.- you can't win if you can't finish, and you can't finish if you CRASH!).

Oh well.
All this just because ONE woman played in a golf tournament?
Much ado about nothing. ;)

[sandrathom60]

Originally posted by Spindulik+25 May 2003 - 03:27--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spindulik @ 25 May 2003 - 03:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--kAb@24 May 2003 - 05:30
god damn sexist men. are you guys to wussy to let a woman play?

grow the fuck up.

people like you should wake up and stop living in the 17th century
Have you gotten a good look at that girl? She looks sort of like a man. Kind of "Dykish". [/b][/quote]
Does the PGA do tests for steroids?

[clocker]

Originally posted by sandrathom60@25 May 2003 - 18:19

Does the PGA do tests for steroids?
More to the point- do they test for Viagra?

[a chump]

People, has anyone played mixed doubles tennis? I have loads of times and its almost a completely different game. There is etticate (if thats how u spell it&#33;) that doesnt exist it mens doubles. For example dont hit a 90mph ball straight at a woman at the net. Its even the case in pro tennis.

I think it depends on the sport. Some sports that could accomodate women don&#39;t, and should. I agree with the separate &#39;mixed&#39; sections as it not only accomodates different gender but also adds a completely new aspect to a sport.

But to be honest why not let a woman play a &#39;traditional&#39; mens sport. If women can&#39;t, then they can&#39;t, If they can, who cares?

[TIDE-HSV]

Quite a few, apparently. As for the steroid question, they don&#39;t test. There&#39;s no belief that steroids really help one play golf. I&#39;ll repeat that Sorenstam&#39;s length, which could, arguably, be helped by anabolic training, was not her problem at all. Some uninformed media assumed such, but the knowledgable sector knew all along that the probems lay with her short game and putting. For those who watched, did anyone ever see an iron shot back up? Nope. You can&#39;t play with the big boys without it.

[Spindulik]

Originally posted by sandrathom60@26 May 2003 - 01:19

Does the PGA do tests for steroids?
I don&#39;t know. Do they also test for feminine testosterone? Do you think that maybe Annika Sorenstam has a little too much?

[TIDE-HSV]

Lord, am I not writing in English? They test for nothing. Understand me, nothing&#33; Zip, nada, nichts. Steroids only help as an adjunct to weight training to shorten the recovery period between sessions. Before Tiger, no one even considered weights. Well, maybe Player and his pushups. In this context, why, in the name of common sense would anyone test the first lady to play in a PGA event in 50 years for testosterone?? When they don&#39;t even test the men?? What planet are the people around here from, anyway?

[nahan]

all pro sports should be tested for steroids,even golf.

[TIDE-HSV]

Why?

[nahan]

Cause you never know

[TIDE-HSV]

Who cares if you know or not?

[nahan]

I care .Why shouldnt they if some one can benefit from preformance inhancers.Every professional sport from bowling to ping pong to Baseball.

[DarthInsinuate]

Originally posted by a chump@26 May 2003 - 02:08
I think it depends on the sport. Some sports that could accomodate women don&#39;t, and should. I agree with the separate &#39;mixed&#39; sections as it not only accomodates different gender but also adds a completely new aspect to a sport
this reminded me of a sport that doesn&#39;t work with mixed gender

Anna Kournakova lost pretty early in the mixed doubles tournament because her team-mate was distracted by her short skirt

[a chump]

mixed gender does work, ok so, its more fun playing mens doubles in my opinion but its a completely new skill to play mixed. The mixed game can be really fun. Any way this partner had good reason to be distracted&#33; :P But going back to the &#39;masculine&#39; women point, Anna is doing very badly, because she has become a sex symbol, not masculine enough. The same would happen with a pretty boy bloke who became the same thing. Why is a women different in that respect?

[nahan]

Why would she even care enough about tennis any more ?.
It looks like shes out of practice for a reason ,she makes more money doing
other things for less work.

I mean who cares look at the williams brothers,and hingis was getting pretty bad there for a bit also.

[clocker]

I wonder...

If Annika Sorenstam looked like Anna Kournakova would the outcry have been as ferocious?

the galleries would probably have been even larger...

[TIDE-HSV]

My solution to the doping in sport problem would be to do away with testing of adult athletes altogether. The whole scene has just become a farce - with the athlete who has the best pharmaceutical backing winning. Let &#39;em all take whatever they want.

[clocker]

Originally posted by TIDE-HSV@26 May 2003 - 06:50
My solution to the doping in sport problem would be to do away with testing of adult athletes altogether. The whole scene has just become a farce - with the athlete who has the best pharmaceutical backing winning. Let &#39;em all take whatever they want.
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