Strategies for Ratio

[orb987]

I'm very new to the community as well as to downloading torrents in general. I've gained access to a few private trackers and am more than willing to share. Could someone please help me with some strategies to get a good ratio. I don't want to cheat ... I'm just seeing files with many seeders and no leechers and am wondering how I will ever get to a good ratio.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

[Buggyme]

Get the files as soon as they get uploaded. Usually these files have more leechers. Also try and partial seed until you get a big buffer, usually you can get a higher ratio by partial seeding rather than seeding 100%.

[SHUVT]

What is your connection bud?

[dodgy368]

I'm very new to the community as well as to downloading torrents in general. I've gained access to a few private trackers and am more than willing to share. Could someone please help me with some strategies to get a good ratio. I don't want to cheat ... I'm just seeing files with many seeders and no leechers and am wondering how I will ever get to a good ratio.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

Good attitude mate, that's what makes the private sites work. :D

Grab a porn flick, even if you don't want it, and seed that, guaranteed to boost your ratio. :naughty:

[orb987]

Connection - Standard Comcast - avg 3.5 mb down - 275k up
Using uTorrent client
open firewall ports - accepting connections

[RainRoofer]

seeding porn = good ratio :) In most cases :D

[h0ttztuff]

The best torrent(s) to seed are new video games and DVDs. Just pick the one that has the MOST leechers and FEW seeders, but DON'T download the whole torrent; just download 1 .rar file from the torrent then seed it.

That's what I do. I just download 1 .rar file (usually about 47MB) from a torrent and seed it for a week or so and I end up with an average of 2-3GB upload a day at a speed of only 31kBps (50% of my max upload speed).

It also depends on the tracker you are seeding in. Torrentleech is one of the best when it comes to maintaining your ratio.

[RTFM]

If you are using multiple trackers, you can download a file on one tracker and then download the torrent files for the same release on other trackers and seed them there (for an infinite ratio on the file!).

[Vidde]

Porn ofcourse, but I can totally suggest you to grab just a handful of .rar-files from a popular release. F.ex. when 300 DVDR is released, just grab like 10 rar-files (~500MB) or more, and just seed, seed, seed!

-Vidde

[RainRoofer]

And after that seed a little bit more :D

[Fibo]

Thanx For the Tips, I always wondered how people were able to keep a good ratio, while i struggle so hard to keep up on the Better sites.
I will have to put these to the test.

Thanx,
Fibo

[RTFM]

The ratios in your pictures aren't too terrible. At least they're all above 1!

[angryghost]

wow thanks for the advice on dling just few rar files! never thought it would work, cause i usually just download the whole thing, and since i have relativly slow connection by the time i finish not many leechers are left :(

[spotlessmind]

I've never had any sort of problem with ratio until TL. There are some great ideas in this thread though, so thanks a lot. Hopefully it'll straighten me out.

[UKMan]

excuse an ignorant punk like myself, but does this actually help DL speed on public trackers ?

UK

[leeter]

thx for the tip

[drmensho]

u can download the sample of anewly uploaded film then seed it until u get agood ratio

[GINZY]

a good guide in TL forum: how to survive ( don't know if i can't copy and paste here ). After reading this and with my own experience :
-download sample or some rar files of popular torrents
-choose the good torrent with the similar S & L - U can't have good ratio ,upload speed if there are 2 many seeders.
-download some from the public and seed it in the sites u want (remember that it must be the same )
-concentrate on some main or only 1 sites such as TL .It's great sites with best releases.
....some u 'll find out

Hope u will have a good ratio :)

[seras12345]

I'm new myself to all this and trying to build up a good ratio on some trackers, but it does seem rather tricky! I think a lot of it is picking the right torrent to try to seed

Maybe someone can confirm this, but the impression I got was that this can be made trickier because sometimes a torrent with a ton of apparent leechers might actually be lots of people doing the 'download one bit of the file then seed' trick, so while there's a high number of leechers displayed on the tracker, they're actually not downloading at all...

Another thing I've been having trouble with is the 'downloading from a public tracker then uploading' trick - this seems like a really good way to build up an upload buffer before you even have to download anything, but the problem I'm having is finding the files on public trackers! Usually the ones the public trackers have have different names and sizes, from what I've seen...

[seppypom]

that can be what is going on, esp. on oink, on torrent that are older, you might see a bunch of leechers, but they are really just partial downloaders.

sometimes i only grab a few songs.

when i initial joined oink, i downloaded a Rosetta Stone pack, only to find that all the leechers where just partial seeders. and i got burned on the download.

so you need to stick with new stuff

[Bo0ddha]

that can be what is going on, esp. on oink, on torrent that are older, you might see a bunch of leechers, but they are really just partial downloaders.

sometimes i only grab a few songs.

when i initial joined oink, i downloaded a Rosetta Stone pack, only to find that all the leechers where just partial seeders. and i got burned on the download.

so you need to stick with new stuff

Gotten burned by that too. Lotta work to make up for that one.

[frankr66]

I'm very new to the community as well as to downloading torrents in general. I've gained access to a few private trackers and am more than willing to share. Could someone please help me with some strategies to get a good ratio. I don't want to cheat ... I'm just seeing files with many seeders and no leechers and am wondering how I will ever get to a good ratio.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

make sure you are forwarding your ports correctly and leave your machine on 24/7 to let it seed, if your worried about ratio watch what you download and try to get in on torrents in their infancy

[mido]

thanks for the tip :)

I have never thought of this before ,many times ,when i finish dl and start to seed ,i strugle to reach 1:1 ,i think ,i will give it a try

[Windy72]

If you have upload rights on your trackers then upload some files. All this partial download and cut on a new torrent is crap. Don't do that. Download files you want not partial or full files you don't want. Pointless that.

Or get a newserver a forget ratio problems:P

[4iromatic]

my technique is to always snatch hot files, like something everyone's been waiting a month to be released. grab it even if you are not going to keep it. then seed it 24/7 until you get a super good ratio on it. remember that you have to download a lot of crap first before you get the things you want. if all else fails, plan b. i used to ask my friend for files to seed. that should only be a last resort like on oink.

also, take advantage of free leech. snatch as much as possible in order to seed it back. i got into oink on a free leech period and that has helped me survive the ratio requirements. during free leech everyone is download and everyone is uploading. it's a gold mine.

[makksoft]

You just have to leave your computer on and seed it all the time.

[spotlessmind]

All this partial download and cut on a new torrent is crap. Don't do that. Download files you want not partial or full files you don't want. Pointless that.

I would usually agree with you, but that method is actually helping me out big time. I joined TL, and it was the first time I'd ever been on a tracker with such fast download speeds so I fell behind on my ratio. I didn't go over the 5GB mark though, so I didn't get to the point of no return. In order to catch up I've tried the "partial download" method, and it's really pulling me out of the hole I foolishly created for myself. It's the only time I've ever been in a hole on a tracker like this.

I will say this though, it's only worth doing when you're desperate. :yup:

[torentcouple]

Wish I had read this thread two days ago!

Any suggestions on how to get out of a hole I've already dug?

I had been holding on to a few trackers that I really wanted to use and was starting to lose them for inactivity,

So last night I panicked and downloaded like 1 tv show each from the three of these that were most likely to inactivate me right away for inactivity.

None of these were very TV oriented, I just didn't know what to get, and I was thinking a smaller file would be better. so of course the shows downloaded, and I'm guessing no-one will ever leech from them becuase tv torrents lose peers quick...

After reading this it sounds silly that I got tv shows with very little activity on them, but I was panicked. It was on wild-bytes, iplay and
tvjunkies (at least that ones a tv site, but still same problem). I think the main reason why I got them, was because everything with lots of peers were very large files and I was scared to download something that big for my 1st download.

So now I need to get out of this hole quick,

Any suggestions on how to do some damage control?

If its obvious that these torrents are never going to get peers, how long should I keep them open to avoid it being considered a hit and run? I'm guessing a week, but have no idea.

I'm guessing that I will have to start a new torrent for using some of the stratiegies given here, but I'm not sure how large of a file to start with.
Should I wait and keep these torrents open for a while before I start a new one? I don't want to dig a bigger hole.

[RTFM]

Popular TV Shows can be great if you jump on at the beginning, but you're right, they lose leechers pretty quickly. What I do for TV shows is just check the tracker a little while after the show airs, and wait for it to be uploaded. As for hit and run, on most trackers the rule is either a ratio of 1 or somewhere between 24 and 72 hours.

If you want to get out of the hole, I would recommend just checking the trackers and seeing what's new. Some of the new torrents are bound to be popular, and once they get a a few seeders and like 20 leechers, jump on and partially seed.

[mbucari1]

Popular TV Shows can be great if you jump on at the beginning, but you're right, they lose leechers pretty quickly. What I do for TV shows is just check the tracker a little while after the show airs, and wait for it to be uploaded. As for hit and run, on most trackers the rule is either a ratio of 1 or somewhere between 24 and 72 hours.

If you want to get out of the hole, I would recommend just checking the trackers and seeing what's new. Some of the new torrents are bound to be popular, and once they get a a few seeders and like 20 leechers, jump on and partially seed.
I do TV shows too. RSR was hard for me at first (mainly cuz I'm usually uploading to romania from chicago), But then I started getting shows like 24 and lost from TL (which is easy to seed) and uploading them to RSR. I also do this with app packs.

[kirktrix]

If you are using multiple trackers, you can download a file on one tracker and then download the torrent files for the same release on other trackers and seed them there (for an infinite ratio on the file!).

Sometimes i got an error saying existing data is too large.....Any advice. tnx.:)

[torentcouple]

I am trying to understand how to do partial seeding.
When I try to select just a box or two of the .rar files in utorrent,
the file won't download.

So I tried ol' trusty BitTornado, and it worked, but I'm trying to get all my stuff on one client, rather than two.

BTW, I'm doing this at Wild Bytes, but it seemed to accept whole files, I just couldn't get it to work with partials.

Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong?

[RTFM]

If you are using multiple trackers, you can download a file on one tracker and then download the torrent files for the same release on other trackers and seed them there (for an infinite ratio on the file!).

Sometimes i got an error saying existing data is too large.....Any advice. tnx.:)

Azureus? If so, look at this wiki page:

http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Existing_data_file_length_too_large

[sparrowkc]

I try to find good torrents that are hurting for seeders, download the whole thing , and seed for a month. Also if you can find the torrent in better health on another tracker, get it there, and replace your incomplete download so you don't have to hurt the torrent before you help it.

[saulin]

I try to find good torrents that are hurting for seeders, download the whole thing , and seed for a month. Also if you can find the torrent in better health on another tracker, get it there, and replace your incomplete download so you don't have to hurt the torrent before you help it.


Very good strategy :)

[TorrenTy]

A good ratio , needs a good internet connection sothat you can UPLOAD more or just 1:1 at tracker . So besides others good opinion , you need good connection . pay abit more for abitter connection ; )

[irishgond]

great advice all..thx

[solid13138]

Always have the files with greater leechers in higher priority and put all your files that u need to seed to boost your ratio in forced start if u are using uTorrent client

[Elking]

Great tips.

I usually keep my torrent program running for 24/7, i get like 2-4 ratio for the files i download.

But the partial seed tip is very good, i gotta try sometime.

Thanks

[spotlessmind]

Over on TL, I put myself in something of a hole. Thankfully I remained under the 5 GB limit so I wasn't in any danger. I was able to dig myself out of the hole be doing the partial download & seed deal. I downloaded a a single rar from a torrent that was around 50 MB or so, and as of right now my ratio for that torrent is sitting at just about 50, and it's still going strong.

[Bo0ddha]

Find files that are going to be downloaded A LOT over a long time. Example a Pink Floyd discography. Download the most well known albums and let it seed forever. Did this with the 24 seasons on TL. Only downloaded 100mb of one and seeded back over a few gigs in a week or so. Downloaded only 1 piece from another and already seeded 360+mb's in under a week. It's not something that alone will max out your connection, but if you find say 3 or so of these types of files and just leave them running permanently you can do some serious uploading on a slow connection. Plus if you just find 1-2 popular tv epps when they are released then you can usually do pretty well.

Take advantage of free leech and ratio boosters. Devote your bulk bandwidth to these sites.

[UKMan]

yeah yeah - sure, then you download your favorite DVD film and whoooops - back to square one again because ratio is also about bytes. if you seed 360mB in one week, then download a 4Gb or even 8Gb double DVD, it will eat up that crap in 5 minutes.

UK

[Bo0ddha]

Depends on what tracker your using. You have to be selective in what you download. If you can find a release on a easy tracker (TL and the like) download it from there. Only download rare files you can't find anywhere else on hard to seed trackers. Another really good method is to download 1 complete tv episode that is hosted on multiple trackers. Download it and seed it on all the trackers. Then you aren't even using your download credits to seed it. It's not impossible. It just takes a little time and effort.

[ChotaZorro]

I need tips in maintaining a good ratio in Oink. Every torrent I download there I seed but it doesn't upload because there are already many seeders even the new ones. Help!

[Fibo]

On OINK I used: The DL 1 part of a file and seed that Method.

Work for me. Was a PU in no time.

Of course I donated before so i got to see the TOP 10 Chart, i think it will be kind of hard to know what Torrents to pick if you didn't have that.

But still you should just go w/your instinct and DL a good file(ONE Part) then seed that. Dont forget to give it you full bandwidth. If you have slow UL speeds, and are seeding alot of torrents then you should cut down for a bit.

Hope in helps.
Fibo

[UKMan]

Depends on what tracker your using. You have to be selective in what you download. If you can find a release on a easy tracker (TL and the like) download it from there. Only download rare files you can't find anywhere else on hard to seed trackers. Another really good method is to download 1 complete tv episode that is hosted on multiple trackers. Download it and seed it on all the trackers. Then you aren't even using your download credits to seed it. It's not impossible. It just takes a little time and effort.

I understand you bro - but at the end of the day its all about bytes - nothing else. If you upload to 5 trackers, you cannot upload more than what your bandwidth allows anyway, someone with a good DL bandwidth will take whatever from others - BUT ratio is not just what you upload, its also DL - so when you want a good film, you have to upload equal bytes to maintain that ratio - no matter WHAT film/music file/image or whatever you have uploaded before.

The only TRUE way to get GOOD ratio is to buy credits - you cannot cheat the system really - if you have a ratio of 15.0 - that means crap if all you are talking about is seeding a music file - you will have to seed that file for a whole week before you can even start downloading a good DVD-R.

UK

[torentcouple]

I need suggestions on picking files to upload on bitmetv. I just got an account and its sooo important to me to get it going.

I did not try to pick shows I liked, I picked 1 show that looked like it had a lot of leechers, but at .4 the peers were gone or became seeders. No more uploading. So I tried waiting until a popular TV show came out last night. I started about 20 minutes after it was released and it had loads more peers than seeders. It also didnt download more than .2 because all the leechers turned into seeders before it could even reseed itself.

I've worked so hard to get this account and I'm open to any suggerstions at all in how to get out of this hole. Obviously, I'll have to keep these two torrents open until I can find one that'll get me out of the hole, so I really want to pick a winner for my third one.

Since there's no .rar files, I can't download just a part. You can't upload until you have already uploaded 5 gigs.
My upload speeds are slow (like 13 or 14)

Any suggestions?

[kalevala]

I need suggestions on picking files to upload on bitmetv. I just got an account and its sooo important to me to get it going.

I did not try to pick shows I liked, I picked 1 show that looked like it had a lot of leechers, but at .4 the peers were gone or became seeders. No more uploading. So I tried waiting until a popular TV show came out last night. I started about 20 minutes after it was released and it had loads more peers than seeders. It also didnt download more than .2 because all the leechers turned into seeders before it could even reseed itself.

I've worked so hard to get this account and I'm open to any suggerstions at all in how to get out of this hole. Obviously, I'll have to keep these two torrents open until I can find one that'll get me out of the hole, so I really want to pick a winner for my third one.

Since there's no .rar files, I can't download just a part. You can't upload until you have already uploaded 5 gigs.
My upload speeds are slow (like 13 or 14)

Any suggestions?
I have more or less the same problem.

Most of the time I try to get as many shows in my downloadlist as possible, and I don't finish them, but stop at like 20-50% and then seed until I have like a ratio of 1.5

Worked quite well till now.

[KFlint]

Are they other site than backcats-games that have a seed point system in case there is no leecher for something you seed?

It's a pretty good mod, with it you can have a 100% ratio for something that has 0 leecher after a couple of days or less depending of the size of the file

haven't found anything similar for the moment

[SHUVT]

There are several sites that have seed bonus points that will assist users with thier ratios. There are also a few sites that have it to only count 1/3 of your download counts and that can also help you keep good ratios. Bottom line is that allot of the higher trackers have a large amount of seedbox users, so you just have to keep an eye out for large packs that you can download a part of or be selective and keep hitting the hot torrents as quick as possible.

[Bo0ddha]

Depends on what tracker your using. You have to be selective in what you download. If you can find a release on a easy tracker (TL and the like) download it from there. Only download rare files you can't find anywhere else on hard to seed trackers. Another really good method is to download 1 complete tv episode that is hosted on multiple trackers. Download it and seed it on all the trackers. Then you aren't even using your download credits to seed it. It's not impossible. It just takes a little time and effort.

I understand you bro - but at the end of the day its all about bytes - nothing else. If you upload to 5 trackers, you cannot upload more than what your bandwidth allows anyway, someone with a good DL bandwidth will take whatever from others - BUT ratio is not just what you upload, its also DL - so when you want a good film, you have to upload equal bytes to maintain that ratio - no matter WHAT film/music file/image or whatever you have uploaded before.

The only TRUE way to get GOOD ratio is to buy credits - you cannot cheat the system really - if you have a ratio of 15.0 - that means crap if all you are talking about is seeding a music file - you will have to seed that file for a whole week before you can even start downloading a good DVD-R.

UK


I've never had to buy credits. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of free. I don't understand why you would ever want to buy credits. If your going to do that just start using the newsgroups. One flat fee and you never have to worry about any of the ratio problems.

[arcajeth]

Seeding is a little like investing, since you have to pick a good torrent early on that you think other people will want, so that you will be able to seed it well.

I tend to try to seed winapps, since they are a common interest to everyone. They are more desirable by a broader spectrum of people than say, movies or music, because everyone wants the same windows apps, whereas not everyone wants the same music or movies. It is kind of like a G-rated version of seeding porn, which is another genre that appeals to a wide range of people.

But a lot of keeping a good ratio has to do with bandwidth, and there is no way around that except paying more money for an upgrade/seedbox if you have slow bandwidth. Thats life though, nothing is free. :-p

[UKMan]

I understand you bro - but at the end of the day its all about bytes - nothing else. If you upload to 5 trackers, you cannot upload more than what your bandwidth allows anyway, someone with a good DL bandwidth will take whatever from others - BUT ratio is not just what you upload, its also DL - so when you want a good film, you have to upload equal bytes to maintain that ratio - no matter WHAT film/music file/image or whatever you have uploaded before.

The only TRUE way to get GOOD ratio is to buy credits - you cannot cheat the system really - if you have a ratio of 15.0 - that means crap if all you are talking about is seeding a music file - you will have to seed that file for a whole week before you can even start downloading a good DVD-R.

UK


I've never had to buy credits. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of free. I don't understand why you would ever want to buy credits. If your going to do that just start using the newsgroups. One flat fee and you never have to worry about any of the ratio problems.

Once again i agree in the principal of "not paying" - what i am trying to get over is why people download crap just because they can seed it to get good ratio? Why not download a good quality film instead that you are going to seed just as fast and also get the same ratio? Ratio is a trade of BYTES - no matter WHAT you DL or upload :)

UK

[ChotaZorro]

I've never had to buy credits. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of free. I don't understand why you would ever want to buy credits. If your going to do that just start using the newsgroups. One flat fee and you never have to worry about any of the ratio problems.

Once again i agree in the principal of "not paying" - what i am trying to get over is why people download crap just because they can seed it to get good ratio? Why not download a good quality film instead that you are going to seed just as fast and also get the same ratio? Ratio is a trade of BYTES - no matter WHAT you DL or upload :)

UKI agree.

[Fibo]

I've never had to buy credits. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of free. I don't understand why you would ever want to buy credits. If your going to do that just start using the newsgroups. One flat fee and you never have to worry about any of the ratio problems.

Once again i agree in the principal of "not paying" - what i am trying to get over is why people download crap just because they can seed it to get good ratio? Why not download a good quality film instead that you are going to seed just as fast and also get the same ratio? Ratio is a trade of BYTES - no matter WHAT you DL or upload :)

UK

I dont think this can be more wrong in some cases. I always DL crap just to get my Ratio up. Not Full DL's but at least acouple of files while there is still a lot of leechers on it. That way just on a 100MB File(Give or take), i can get like a 5:1 ratio, Now do that twice and thats 1GB up/0.2 DL.

Do it acouple of more times, now go DL that File you wanted with 300 seeders and no leechers.

Just My thoughts,
Fibo

[Bo0ddha]

Don't forget what if you want that rare or favorite classic movie/tv show/music album that isn't that popular? Then you have to just download it and leave it seeding for weeks to try and get a 1:1 on it. The other alternative is to just download a few pieces and seed for a few days.

[UKMan]

well, i guess we all have our own thoughts about this and each is just as valid - but when you are a member of a private torrent board, the individual seed rations mean nothing - its overall ratios that count - so a 5:1 ratio for 1 file means nothing if that file is only 200Kb - when you DL a film, then.......... whoops - all that is gone :)

UKMan

Stay cool everyone - share and seed what you can ;)