World's Most Dominant Sportsman [Archive]

crazy_billy_bats

06-01-2003, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by clocker@1 June 2003 - 21:02
Not familiar with him as darts isn't that big over here.

Fill me in.
its a board numbered 1 to 20 which players throw things called "darts" at, with a pointed tip so as to stick in the board.
the scores go single 1, double 1, treble 1, etc....up to 20, then theres a bulls-eye(worth 50) and the outer bulls-eye (worth 25)
it looks like this:
http://www.videolinq.qld.edu.au/videostreaming/images/dart%20board.jpg
hope this helps

Benno

06-01-2003, 09:13 PM

What no picture of our top man of the day? :P

Buffalo

06-01-2003, 09:14 PM

I know most people don't class wwe as sport but these guy's are some of the fittest and most powerful on the planet and although there have been many great wrestlers, none match in power, speed and aggression more than 23 y/o Brock Lesnar B)
Here comes the pain! B)

Jonno B)

gecko1001

06-01-2003, 09:14 PM

Nah, Valantino Rossi

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 09:14 PM

http://www.philthepower.com/

clocker

06-01-2003, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by gecko1001@1 June 2003 - 15:14
Nah, Valantino Rossi
Roadracing fan, eh?

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US@1 June 2003 - 22:14
I know most people don't class wwe as sport but these guy's are some of the fittest and most powerful on the planet and although there have been many great wrestlers, none match in power, speed and aggression more than 23 y/o Brock Lesnar B)
Here comes the pain! B)

Jonno B)
Don't be ridiculous. Yes they are exceptional athletes however the bulk of them would last around 2 minutes in real fighting, UFC for example.

Lesnar may do OK as he was a wrestler of a decent standar. Kurt Angle would do better, he was a top class wrestler. Neither however would be capable of competing with the top men.If you like WWE you will remember Ken Shamrock appeared for a while. He was a real fighter, UFC heavyweight champion.

crazy_billy_bats

06-01-2003, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by JPaul+1 June 2003 - 21:18--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 1 June 2003 - 21:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--CELEBS_ARE_US@1 June 2003 - 22:14
I know most people don't class wwe as sport but these guy's are some of the fittest and most powerful on the planet and although there have been many great wrestlers, none match in power, speed and aggression more than 23 y/o Brock Lesnar B)
Here comes the pain! B)

Jonno B)
Don't be ridiculous. Yes they are exceptional athletes however the bulk of them would last around 2 minutes in real fighting, UFC for example.

Lesnar may do OK as he was a wrestler of a decent standar. Kurt Angle would do better, he was a top class wrestler. Neither however would be capable of competing with the top men.If you like WWE you will remember Ken Shamrock appeared for a while. He was a real fighter, UFC heavyweight champion. [/b][/quote]
what about hulk hogan?

4play

06-01-2003, 09:27 PM

hulk owned wwf for so many years.

these new upstarts are not worthy to hold his jock strap.

jetje

06-01-2003, 09:29 PM

Phil Taylor - well agree he was the best, but i like to see a rematch between him an van barneveldt...

Greatest sportsman in his sport and probably ever... Michael Jordan...

soccer player - Johan Cruyff
Base ball - Joe Dimagio
Tennis - Jimmy Conners - Agassi is close on him though

what sports more... :D

Buffalo

06-01-2003, 09:32 PM

You meen Mr.America :D
And Jpaul, I agree for the most part of what you said but Lesnar has done a bit of 'real' fighting in a japanese comp and crusified all who came against him, and there are'nt many people who can lift a man of 7'2" and 500lbs onto his shoulders and launch him into the air with such authority!
Poor old Angle knows all about it as Lesnar bust 2 of Angles vetibrea and fractured his spine and put him out of action since then in a hospital bed (unitetionly) at Wrestlemania 19! :D

Poor old Hulk Never could bloody wrestle, he's so stiff I think he overdosed on viagra! :lol:

Jonno B)

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by jetje@1 June 2003 - 22:29
Phil Taylor - well agree he was the best, but i like to see a rematch between him an van barneveldt...

So would I.

The Power would destroy him.

Cruyff - Superb player, but hardly the most dominant in his sport. Bit of low country bias there perhaps old bean.

Come on people, name the person who dominates their sport. Not just names, let's have reasons.

Taylor has been world champion 10 times.

crazy_billy_bats

06-01-2003, 09:36 PM

George Best - maintains dominence even to this day, just his aura.
best footballer ever.

Buffalo

06-01-2003, 09:40 PM

If you're talking football!

Gerd Muller!
That guy seemed to be everywhere on the pitch at the same time!

Although I agree with Cruyff and best but you also have to cosider little Nobby Styles, one of the greatest markers ever! Sh1t to a blanket! :)

Jonno B)

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 09:53 PM

You are just having a laugh.

None of these compare with a man who has dominated his sport for over a decade.

Has been world champion 10 times and won the UK open just today.

How long were they at the top.

Buffalo

06-01-2003, 09:57 PM

But you said, the best sportsman in his sport!
That's what we have put and this all comes down to opinion really!

Not beiing funny though, good topic! :)

Jonno B)

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by JPaul@1 June 2003 - 21:59
I know a lot of people don't think it's a sport but surely Phil "The Power" Taylor must be considered the most dominant sportsman of all time.

The number of titles he has won and the length of time he has been at the top of his game.

Truly amazing.

BTW He plays darts, for the uninitiated.
Opening post old bean (or beans).

The title is, by nature a bit limited. First post in the thread really tends to outline the point. Though as you know better than I it tends not to stay that way long. (Note to self - don't overuse tend(s))

I wish to debate who the most dominant sportsman is overall. The subtext is really just to ensure that lmits are set. For example PT is not the most dominant sailor of all time.

However I would argue that he is the most dominant sportsman.

2nd gen noob

06-01-2003, 10:19 PM

Michael Schumacher

5 formula one world championships

nahan

06-01-2003, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US@1 June 2003 - 22:32
You meen Mr.America :D
And Jpaul, I agree for the most part of what you said but Lesnar has done a bit of 'real' fighting in a japanese comp and crusified all who came against him, and there are'nt many people who can lift a man of 7'2" and 500lbs onto his shoulders and launch him into the air with such authority!
Poor old Angle knows all about it as Lesnar bust 2 of Angles vetibrea and fractured his spine and put him out of action since then in a hospital bed (unitetionly) at Wrestlemania 19! :D

Poor old Hulk Never could bloody wrestle, he's so stiff I think he overdosed on viagra! :lol:

Jonno B)
He does not weight 500 lbs,not a chance.
Maybe close to 400lbs but thats starting to push it.

Wrestling as a sport wwf wcw wwe ecw whatever has been known for its lies.

Buffalo

06-01-2003, 10:23 PM

I see!
So in that respect I would have to say Ric Flair

Ric Flair:-

NWA World Heavyweight Championship - 10 times
WCW International World Championship - 1 time
WCW World Heavyweight Championship - 7 times
WWF World Heavyweight Championship - 2 times
NWA/WCW U.S. Championship - 6 times
NWA World Tag Team Championship - 2 times
Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship - 3 times
Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship - 3 times
Mid-Atlantic Television Title - 2 times
Missouri State Heavyweight Title - 1 time
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Rookie of the Year
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Wrestler of the Year - 6 times
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Wrestler of the Decade - 1 time
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Match of the Year - 4 times
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Feud of the Year - 4 times
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - The PWI 500

How's that for a list :D

Jonno B)

2nd gen noob

06-01-2003, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US@1 June 2003 - 23:23
I see!
So in that respect I would have to say Ric Flair

Ric Flair:-

NWA World Heavyweight Championship - 10 times
WCW International World Championship - 1 time
WCW World Heavyweight Championship - 7 times
WWF World Heavyweight Championship - 2 times
NWA/WCW U.S. Championship - 6 times
NWA World Tag Team Championship - 2 times
Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship - 3 times
Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship - 3 times
Mid-Atlantic Television Title - 2 times
Missouri State Heavyweight Title - 1 time
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Rookie of the Year
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Wrestler of the Year - 6 times
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Wrestler of the Decade - 1 time
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Match of the Year - 4 times
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - Feud of the Year - 4 times
Pro Wrestling Illustrated - The PWI 500

How's that for a list :D

Jonno B)
erm....great list. wrestling is staged though. you know that surely?

so the winner isn't determined by sporting prowess, it's by the organisers who decide to rig it.

wrestling is ok to watch for laughs or whatever, but a sport?

:lol:

edit: spelling

2nd gen noob

06-01-2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by JPaul@1 June 2003 - 22:53
You are just having a laugh.

None of these compare with a man who has dominated his sport for over a decade.

Has been world champion 10 times and won the UK open just today.

How long were they at the top.
isn't a sportsman's performance relative to his peers?
i mean, although phil tayler is a very good darts player, isn't it possible that his opposition are lackluster rather than him being supremely talented?

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by newbie, newbie, newbie+1 June 2003 - 23:33--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (newbie, newbie, newbie @ 1 June 2003 - 23:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--JPaul@1 June 2003 - 22:53
You are just having a laugh.

None of these compare with a man who has dominated his sport for over a decade.

Has been world champion 10 times and won the UK open just today.

How long were they at the top.
isn't a sportsman's performance relative to his peers?
i mean, although phil tayler is a very good darts player, isn't it possible that his opposition are lackluster rather than him being supremely talented? [/b][/quote]
Excelllent point, well made.

That´s why the period over which the person is dominant is so important.

No use in being the best for a couple of years, maybe everyone else was rubbish.

Taylor has been at the top for over a decade.

2nd gen noob

06-01-2003, 10:41 PM

has there been any real competition in the time he's been at the top?
i don't really watch darts

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by newbie, newbie, newbie@1 June 2003 - 23:41
has there been any real competition in the time he's been at the top?
i don't really watch darts
Oh yes.

It´s an enormous participation sport. At least in the UK, Europe, the US and Canada. Cheap to participate.

So the number of new folk coming through has been high.

soopaman

06-01-2003, 10:51 PM

Phil "The Power" Taylor is THE MAN when it comes to Darts, no-one else comes close.

Joe Davis, World Billiards Champion for years and years. My old fella used to tell me about him, apparently had a break that lasted days!!

Michael Jordan - Surely!!

Michael Schumacher - Definately.

Tiger Woods - Undecided yet but who knows what the future holds?

As for UFC/Pride KAZUSHI SAKURABA (The Gracie Hunter) is THE MAN!!!

Good topic JPaul.

2nd gen noob

06-01-2003, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by JPaul@1 June 2003 - 23:49
Oh yes.

It´s an enormous participation sport. At least in the UK, Europe, the US and Canada. Cheap to participate.

So the number of new folk coming through has been high.
i used to have a dartboard in my room when i was younger.
within a week there were about 100 holes in the dartboard, and 500 in my walls.

which isn't very good :P

Buffalo

06-01-2003, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by newbie, newbie, newbie@1 June 2003 - 22:30

erm....great list. wrestling is staged though. you know that surely?

so the winner isn't determined by sporting prowess, it's by the organisers who decide to rig it.

wrestling is ok to watch for laughs or whatever, but a sport?

:lol:

edit: spelling
True, true!

Ok, I would have to say the single most dominating sportsman in my mind would be with no doubt Gerry Lopez!
Gerry Lopez has won a shed full of surf championships including World and Pipemasters.He is also the man who made Pipeline famouse and was a revolushanist in the sport, developing new boards and techniques and styles of surfing. He has discovered numorouse New surf spots on Islands throughout the world and is a true Icon respected by everyone in the sport the world over, he competed in world class tournaments from the early 60's to the mid 90's and still has a hand in the workings now!
So, if Gerry Lopez is not a dominating sportsman then I don't know who is! :D

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Pumpencum/bielmann_glopez3x_h.jpg

Jonno B)

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by soopaman@1 June 2003 - 23:51
Phil "The Power" Taylor is THE MAN when it comes to Darts, no-one else comes close.

Joe Davis, World Billiards Champion for years and years. My old fella used to tell me about him, apparently had a break that lasted days!!

Michael Jordan - Surely!!

Michael Schumacher - Definately.

Tiger Woods - Undecided yet but who knows what the future holds?

As for UFC/Pride KAZUSHI SAKURABA (The Gracie Hunter) is THE MAN!!!

Good topic JPaul.
Nice One

I fully expect Tiger Woods to be The One, in the fullness of time.

He has already done the (nearly) Grand Slam and dominates his sport. The only thing stopping him is that he really has to do it over a protracted period, in order to be considered the most dominant sportsman.

As my learned friend intimated earlier, maybe everybody else just isn't very good.

I am sure he will dominate golf and that he is the "Once and Future King" just not yet.

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US+1 June 2003 - 23:57--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CELEBS_ARE_US @ 1 June 2003 - 23:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--newbie@ newbie, newbie,1 June 2003 - 22:30

erm....great list. wrestling is staged though. you know that surely?

so the winner isn't determined by sporting prowess, it's by the organisers who decide to rig it.

wrestling is ok to watch for laughs or whatever, but a sport?

:lol:

edit: spelling
True, true!

Ok, I would have to say the single most dominating sportsman in my mind would be with no doubt Gerry Lopez!
Gerry Lopez has won a shed full of surf championships including World and Pipemasters.He is also the man who made Pipeline famouse and was a revolushanist in the sport, developing new boards and techniques and styles of surfing. He has discovered numorouse New surf spots on Islands throughout the world and is a true Icon respected by everyone in the sport the world over, he competed in world class tournaments from the early 60's to the mid 90's and still has a hand in the workings now!
So, if Gerry Lopez is not a dominating sportsman then I don't know who is! :D

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Pumpencum/bielmann_glopez3x_h.jpg

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
New candidate, excellent.

Can you outline his credentials / achievements my duplicitous friend.

soopaman

06-01-2003, 11:08 PM

Yeah, Tiger could well be "The One" (Topical :lol: ) but as you say it has to be over an extended period of time. I hope it's not a case of "the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long". In Golf, especially, a protracted period at the very top is needed to be labelled truly great. We haven't even touched on Boxing!! My votes would be for Thomas "Hitman" Hearns, Roy Jones Jr and "Sugar" Ray Robinson. All Multi-Weight, Multi-Division Champions!! And ALL proof that a boxer will beat a brawler 9 times out of 10. Let's keep this discussion going!!

;)

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by soopaman@2 June 2003 - 00:08
Yeah, Tiger could well be "The One" (Topical :lol: ) but as you say it has to be over an extended period of time. I hope it's not a case of "the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long". In Golf, especially, a protracted period at the very top is needed to be labelled truly great. We haven't even touched on Boxing!! My votes would be for Thomas "Hitman" Hearns, Roy Jones Jr and "Sugar" Ray Robinson. All Multi-Weight, Multi-Division Champions!! And ALL proof that a boxer will beat a brawler 9 times out of 10. Let's keep this discussion going!!

;)
Can I start by first paying homage to your candle quote and adding :

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."

I believe the replicant to which your quote refers said that.

I see what you mean about Tommy Hearns. However my particular fave was Sugar Ray Leonard. I know this won't be popular but, pound for pound, I think he was the greatest boxer of his generation. He beat Hearns, Durant and Hagler. Apologies for spelling, je suis aves le pomme.

I think the greatest pond for pound fighter ever was Royce Gracie.

However fighters can't win this. They just aren't around long enough.

2nd gen noob

06-01-2003, 11:20 PM

lennox lewis is a very good boxer. he managed to beat tyson, but he's not dominated the sport yet. might do in the future, but he's getting on a bit now

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Bender@2 June 2003 - 00:16
Looking at what he did to his old lady, I think O.J. Simpson is still the world's most dominant sportsman.
You've taken that too far.

Can I ask you, as a mod, to delete your own post.

On the basis of extremelly poor taste.

This is the lounge but we do have our limits

Buffalo

06-01-2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by JPaul@1 June 2003 - 23:01

New candidate, excellent.

Can you outline his credentials / achievements my duplicitous friend.
Apart from what I've already said

He won State of Hawaii junior surfing champion at the age of 14
4 time world champion
Master of Pipeline award in 1972
Pipe master 2 time winner
CloudBreak Challenge Winner
Waterman of the Year award 1999

Plus a few I could'nt find! Sorry!

But I still say even without the titles, just his input to the sport would be enough!

Although most of you have not heard of him, I think he qualifies! :)

Jonno B)

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US+2 June 2003 - 00:22--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CELEBS_ARE_US @ 2 June 2003 - 00:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--JPaul@1 June 2003 - 23:01

New candidate, excellent.

Can you outline his credentials / achievements my duplicitous friend.
Apart from what I've already said

He won State of Hawaii junior surfing champion at the age of 14
4 time world champion
Master of Pipeline award in 1972
Pipe master 2 time winner
CloudBreak Challenge Winner
Waterman of the Year award 1999

Plus a few I could'nt find! Sorry!

But I still say even without the titles, just his input to the sport would be enough!

Although most of you have not heard of him, I think he qualifies! :)

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
Fame isn't the point oh two headed one. It's dominance.

If he has only been world champion four times then he is at best an also ran.

Steve Davis was World Snooker champion 6 (I think) times. He also won numerous ranking tournaments and was world number 1 for many years.

You will have to do better.

soopaman

06-01-2003, 11:36 PM

Okay, Gerry Lopez is in. What about Kelly Slater?? He's been at the top for ages too. My knowledge of surfing isn't up to much though so I could be wrong.

Didn't all the boxers you mentioned, JPaul, beat each other over a period of many years?? Hearns win over Duran in Las Vegas (2nd Round Knockout) was surely the most impressive. Duran had never been knocked out before!! EVER!!

Sakuraba OWNED Royce Gracie, Gracie threw in the towel after a tremendous beating from the flamboyant Japanese fighter. Shame injuries have taken there toll on Sakuraba. :(

I wasn't actually thinking of Blade Runner, my Grandmother used to say it to me when I was a nipper!! :D

What about Rodney Mullen?? He is still one of the best street skaters around. His videos with Daewon Song are fucking brilliant!!! ;)

Buffalo

06-01-2003, 11:40 PM

But a bloke drinking beer and throwing little sticks at a target is a sport and he is the most dominating sportsman of all??? :rolleyes:
He probably can't swim or run very far and certainley isn't very fit but he can play darts better than anyone else??
This makes him better than Tyson, Best, Prost, Cristie, Goodhew, Hendry etc etc....????

Not sure of spelling on some of those!

Not being funny but you don't seem to want anyone elses opinion, you just want to say Phil Taylor is great! <_<

Jonno B)

2nd gen noob

06-01-2003, 11:40 PM

juan manuel fangio and ayrton senna for the f1 crown alongside schumacher.
to see that race would be bloody brilliant, but you can't really compare them, they're from different eras totally

callum

06-01-2003, 11:47 PM

Stephen Hendry has won a record seven World championships, six Masters and five UK championships. He has won 34 ranking (record) and 76 titles in all (from 107 finals).

2nd gen noob

06-01-2003, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by callum@2 June 2003 - 00:47
Stephen Hendry has won a record seven World championships, six Masters and five UK championships. He has won 34 ranking (record) and 76 titles in all (from 107 finals).
he's also scottish, which helps :P

he was (and still is but not to such an extent) an incredible snooker player

PB Montgolfier

06-01-2003, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by callum@1 June 2003 - 23:47
Stephen Hendry has won a record seven World championships, six Masters and five UK championships. He has won 34 ranking (record) and 76 titles in all (from 107 finals).
I agree, over a long period Hendry dominated the world of snooker. He won everything, including the world Chanpionship, and was the number one at the end of every year.

Bender

06-01-2003, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by JPaul+2 June 2003 - 01:22--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 2 June 2003 - 01:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Bender@2 June 2003 - 00:16
Looking at what he did to his old lady, I think O.J. Simpson is still the world's most dominant sportsman.
You've taken that too far.

Can I ask you, as a mod, to delete your own post.

On the basis of extremelly poor taste.

This is the lounge but we do have our limits [/b][/quote]
No problem.

As of now, you are the Mod's Mod. :D

J'Pol

06-01-2003, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US@2 June 2003 - 00:40
But a bloke drinking beer and throwing little sticks at a target is a sport and he is the most dominating sportsman of all??? :rolleyes:
He probably can't swim or run very far and certainley isn't very fit but he can play darts better than anyone else??
This makes him better than Tyson, Best, Prost, Cristie, Goodhew, Hendry etc etc....????

Not sure of spelling on some of those!

Not being funny but you don't seem to want anyone elses opinion, you just want to say Phil Taylor is great! <_<

Jonno B)
I think you are being a little harsh here.

Not only do I want other people's opinions, I have invited, indeed embraced them.

All I am saying is the PT has dominated his sport more than anyone else.

I remain to be convincewd that anyone else has a claim on his crown. With regard to whether it is a sport or not, I believe I covered that very point at the outset.

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 12:04 AM

i suppose whether you consider darts a sport is subjective, not objective

PB Montgolfier

06-02-2003, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by JPaul+1 June 2003 - 23:57--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 1 June 2003 - 23:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--CELEBS_ARE_US@2 June 2003 - 00:40
But a bloke drinking beer and throwing little sticks at a target is a sport and he is the most dominating sportsman of all??? :rolleyes:
He probably can't swim or run very far and certainley isn't very fit but he can play darts better than anyone else??
This makes him better than Tyson, Best, Prost, Cristie, Goodhew, Hendry etc etc....????

Not sure of spelling on some of those!

Not being funny but you don't seem to want anyone elses opinion, you just want to say Phil Taylor is great! <_<

Jonno B)
I think you are being a little harsh here.

Not only do I want other people's opinions, I have invited, indeed embraced them.

All I am saying is the PT has dominated his sport more than anyone else.

I remain to be convincewd that anyone else has a claim on his crown. With regard to whether it is a sport or not, I believe I covered that very point at the outset. [/b][/quote]
I have to agree. It´s all very well saying that he is the best of all time. That may be true, but darts is a game, not a sport. Surely sport would require some sort of athletic endevour, not just throwing wee arrows at a board.

J'Pol

06-02-2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by PB Montgolfier+2 June 2003 - 01:06--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PB Montgolfier @ 2 June 2003 - 01:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -JPaul@1 June 2003 - 23:57
<!--QuoteBegin--CELEBS_ARE_US@2 June 2003 - 00:40
But a bloke drinking beer and throwing little sticks at a target is a sport and he is the most dominating sportsman of all??? :rolleyes:
He probably can't swim or run very far and certainley isn't very fit but he can play darts better than anyone else??
This makes him better than Tyson, Best, Prost, Cristie, Goodhew, Hendry etc etc....????

Not sure of spelling on some of those!

Not being funny but you don't seem to want anyone elses opinion, you just want to say Phil Taylor is great! <_<

Jonno B)
I think you are being a little harsh here.

Not only do I want other people's opinions, I have invited, indeed embraced them.

All I am saying is the PT has dominated his sport more than anyone else.

I remain to be convincewd that anyone else has a claim on his crown. With regard to whether it is a sport or not, I believe I covered that very point at the outset.
I have to agree. It´s all very well saying that he is the best of all time. That may be true, but darts is a game, not a sport. Surely sport would require some sort of athletic endevour, not just throwing wee arrows at a board. [/b][/quote]
This was covered in the opening post.

I realise that some people don't see darts as a sport, however by the same logic neither is snooker or Golf.

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 12:27 AM

this is totally subjective, as i said before.
basically, either you think darts is a sport or you don't

personally, i don't.
snooker is a lot more complicated than darts, and requires more skill to do well (in my subjective opinion)
golf takes a lot of skill too (in my subjective opinion) and most golf courses will be miles long, so you are physically exercising (and possibly breaking a sweat) when you play.

edit: misquoted

J'Pol

06-02-2003, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by newbie, newbie, newbie@2 June 2003 - 01:27
this is totally subjective, as i said before.
basically, either you think darts is a sport or you don't

personally, i don't.
snooker is a lot more complicated than darts, and requires more skill to do well (in my subjective opinion)
golf takes a lot of skill too (in my subjective opinion) and most golf courses will be miles long, so you are physically exercising (and possibly breaking a sweat) when you play.

edit: misquoted
So the level of difficulty is what makes it a sport for you.

dingoBaby

06-02-2003, 12:39 AM

My vote goes to hockey's Wayne Gretzky. He holds or shares 61 NHL records includeing career goals, assists and points. Not to mention the single season scoring record, the fact that he won the Ross Trophy (scoring champion) ten times, the Hart Trophy (league MVP) nine times, four Stanley Cups, three Canada Cups, and was named to the NHL all star team 15 times. He dominated the sport of hockey like no other and for that will always be known as the Great One. For a complete list of stats and accomplishemnts see this link: The Great One (http://www.upperdeck.com/athletes/waynegretzky/default.aspx)

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 12:41 AM

no, i don't judge whether an activity is a sport or game by difficulty alone, however i believe this should be a factor.

06-02-2003, 12:56 AM

michael jordan
roger clemens
wayne gretzky
pete sampras

and of course....MUHAMMAD ALI

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 12:59 AM

pele?

06-02-2003, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by newbie, newbie, newbie@1 June 2003 - 19:59
pele?
yes, was gonna mention that.

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 01:07 AM

roger bannister was first under 4 minute mile too (in 1953)
saw that on top gear tonight, just remembered

06-02-2003, 01:09 AM

i like your avatar. :P

edit: and sig :D

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Z@2 June 2003 - 02:09
i like your avatar. :P

edit: and sig :D
thanks :D
big thanks to Got memory? for his assistance in modifying my avatar.
also, my sig is looking a little crappy, it's cos the source pics were huge (900x700) so the details are quite blurred

06-02-2003, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by newbie, newbie, newbie+1 June 2003 - 20:21--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (newbie, newbie, newbie @ 1 June 2003 - 20:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Z@2 June 2003 - 02:09
i like your avatar.  :P

edit: and sig  :D
thanks :D
big thanks to Got memory? for his assistance in modifying my avatar.
also, my sig is looking a little crappy, it's cos the source pics were huge (900x700) so the details are quite blurred [/b][/quote]
its all good. thats an f-50, no?

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 01:40 AM

yep, Ferrari F50, one of the most beautiful cars in the world, imo.
plus the music is glorious, it sounds brilliant

06-02-2003, 01:42 AM

music, huh?

neways, i prefer the 360 modena, no....spider and the 575m maranello. :)

edit: aaaand were officially off-topic. :P

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 01:47 AM

i did sense the off-topicness myself.
to address this, what about Jack Nicklaus as a rival to Tiger?

p.s. about the Ferrari's, the sound of those engines is just brilliant. that sounds kinda sad, but i've grown up with cars and love the sounds and sights of them.

06-02-2003, 01:55 AM

i think tiger is in a league by himself.

btw, you were talking about the engines, so i must agree. though ive only heard one or two at the most in real life.

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Z@2 June 2003 - 02:55
i think tiger is in a league by himself.

btw, you were talking about the engines, so i must agree. though ive only heard one or two at the most in real life.
yeah, talking about the engines. sorry if i never said that.
i've heard quite a few ferrari engines in my time, the 360 v8 sounds brilliant at high revs. i'd love to go to a grand prix this year, possibly the british grand prix. to get anywhere near the cars would be great

nahan

06-02-2003, 02:16 AM

No one in the world has been more dominant than Mike Tyson,
in the years 85-88.

06-02-2003, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by nahan@1 June 2003 - 21:16
No one in the world has been more dominant than Mike Tyson,
in the years 85-88.
i thought about that, but then ali was the greatest, so...

J'Pol

06-02-2003, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by dingoBaby@2 June 2003 - 01:39
My vote goes to hockey's Wayne Gretzky. He holds or shares 61 NHL records includeing career goals, assists and points. Not to mention the single season scoring record, the fact that he won the Ross Trophy (scoring champion) ten times, the Hart Trophy (league MVP) nine times, four Stanley Cups, three Canada Cups, and was named to the NHL all star team 15 times. He dominated the sport of hockey like no other and for that will always be known as the Great One. For a complete list of stats and accomplishemnts see this link: The Great One (http://www.upperdeck.com/athletes/waynegretzky/default.aspx)
Nice one.

I didn't realise he was such a force in Hockey and over such a long period.

Goldwheelz

06-02-2003, 02:16 PM

ilw

06-02-2003, 02:25 PM

What about this dude, don't forget he's the only olympian ever to have won 5 gold medals for the same event in an endurance sport. That means he's been pretty much the best in the world for over 20 years. Credit as well to Matthew Pinsent his partner who is undoubtebly another of the worlds great rowers.

Steve Redgrave

Sir Steve Redgrave, quintuple Olympic gold medallist rower from Marlow Bottom, has proved to be the greatest Olympian Britain has ever produced.

After striking gold in Sydney he became our only athlete ever to have won gold medals at five consecutive Olympic Games. His first Olympic gold came in the coxed fours in Los Angeles in 1984, followed by gold
with Andy Holmes in the coxless pairs at Seoul in 1988, gold with Matthew Pinsent in the coxless pairs at the Barcelona Olympics in 1992, the Atlanta Olympics in 1996 and the Sydney Olympics in 2000.

Following four unbeaten seasons from 1993 to 1996, Redgrave won his ninth World Championship gold in August 1999 in St Catherines, Canada. His previous World Championship golds were in 1986, 1987, 1991,
1993,1994, 1995, 1997 and 1998.

His other sporting interests include golf and winter sports, and during the 1989/90 season, he was a member of the British Bobsleigh Team. Redgrave was awarded the MBE in the New Year's Honours List of
1997. Following his success in Sydney, he was awarded a knighthood in the 2001 New Years Honours List.

Edit: I'm sure he's got lots of other medals but I couldn't be arsed searching and I figured he had enough golds to not bother with the rest.

crazy_billy_bats

06-02-2003, 02:37 PM

Doesnt he rely on other men also tho to win his medals ?

no offence to him, great-sportsmen.

but he aint done it on his own.

J'Pol

06-02-2003, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by ian_l_williams@2 June 2003 - 15:25
What about this dude, don't forget he's the only olympian ever to have won 5 gold medals for the same event in an endurance sport. That means he's been pretty much the best in the world for over 20 years. Credit as well to Matthew Pinsent his partner who is undoubtebly another of the worlds great rowers.

Steve Redgrave

Sir Steve Redgrave, quintuple Olympic gold medallist rower from Marlow Bottom, has proved to be the greatest Olympian Britain has ever produced.

After striking gold in Sydney he became our only athlete ever to have won gold medals at five consecutive Olympic Games. His first Olympic gold came in the coxed fours in Los Angeles in 1984, followed by gold
with Andy Holmes in the coxless pairs at Seoul in 1988, gold with Matthew Pinsent in the coxless pairs at the Barcelona Olympics in 1992, the Atlanta Olympics in 1996 and the Sydney Olympics in 2000.

Following four unbeaten seasons from 1993 to 1996, Redgrave won his ninth World Championship gold in August 1999 in St Catherines, Canada. His previous World Championship golds were in 1986, 1987, 1991,
1993,1994, 1995, 1997 and 1998.

His other sporting interests include golf and winter sports, and during the 1989/90 season, he was a member of the British Bobsleigh Team. Redgrave was awarded the MBE in the New Year's Honours List of
1997. Following his success in Sydney, he was awarded a knighthood in the 2001 New Years Honours List.

Edit: I'm sure he's got lots of other medals but I couldn't be arsed searching and I figured he had enough golds to not bother with the rest.
Another excellent nomination. Not bad for a diabetic either.

jetje

06-02-2003, 05:30 PM

Gary Kasparov - Chess.... The best brains in sport...

Ons Eibernest 50 times champions of the netherlands that is also 75 years world champion (korfbal)
Ard Schenk - Speedskating 10 world titles 4 olympic gold medals...

clocker

06-02-2003, 05:59 PM

How about...Giacomo Agostini (http://freespace.virgin.net/denise.blanchard/)

YEAR 350cc 500cc WORLD TITLES TT WINS
1965 3 wins 1 win
1966 3 wins 3 wins 500 MV 350 MV
1967 1 win 5 wins 500 MV 350&500 MV
1968 7 wins 10 wins 350&500 MV 350&500 MV
1969 8 wins 10 wins 350&500 MV 350&500 MV
1970 9 wins 10 wins 350&500 MV 350&500 MV
1971 6 wins 8 wins 350&500 MV 500 MV
1972 6 wins 11 wins 350&500 MV 350&500 MV
1973 4 wins 3 wins 350 MV
1974 5 wins 2 wins 350 YAMAHA
1975 1 win 4 wins 500 YAMAHA
1976 1 win 1 win
TOTALS ....... 54 wins 68 wins 15 Championships 12 TT Wins

In a sport where the average career is usually 3-5 years, he dominated for 11. A feat unlikely ever to be repeated.
No disrespect intended, but if Tiger Woods mishits a tee shot he probably won't end up in the hospital.
If Gary Kasparoff misplays his end game he probably won't die.
Agostini ruled a sport for over a decade where his death was the very real outcome should he falter.
I don't want to imply that physical danger is a necessary element to determine the Greatest Sportsman, but it certainly adds an extra dimention, I think.

Sorry about the crappy statistics, the chart just didn't "copy" well. The real one is at the website.

2nd gen noob

06-02-2003, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by clocker@2 June 2003 - 18:59
I don't want to imply that physical danger is a necessary element to determine the Greatest Sportsman, but it certainly adds an extra dimention, I think.
a good point, which is probably a reason in why i think ayrton senna was the most dominant qualifier ever in formula one. he has the highest number of pole positions of any f1 driver, however michael schumacher is a more dominant race winner (in my opinion).
to tell the truth, i had never heard of Giacomo Agostini before you posted.