Why ftn now is Level 8?

[Marcelitchu]

:ermm::ermm::ermm::ermm::unsure::unsure::unsure:

[fstrulz]

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-43/t-ftn-gave-away-invites-196695

[eliteman]

because all power users got invites and they increased max number of users to 6k, don't really understand the logic behind it since Power Users could request invites and were often given them, but...

[upGrayde]

elitism

[mIRC]

lol , they increased it only 1k more!
ScT increased it 3k more , and it was 12k!
also you can still buy ScT invites , a lot traded it , a lot still have them
but FTN! , I don't think someone is going to put his account under risk
while a lot of spies going around here!
and see how many accounts gonna disable in the next few days and weeks
they will catch almost all of the ones who traded their accounts!
and I think only a small number of people on FTN are traders
so think , should it be level 8!:S
I think it has to go to level 9 atm :)

[Schism]

abolish the rating system

[Gish]

abolish the rating system


Amen to that, I think the rating system hurts this site in the end.
to me a FTN account is worth a TL but since the rating system has come around People have became pigs and take all they can. I saw somone wanted to trade a SweDVD with 200 gig buffer plus some other buffered accounts for one dam FTN invte. what a shock he is going to get:dabs:
this goes for many other sites too.

[saulin]

Seriously who cares about the rarity system. If trackers were rated on how good they are then trackers like UK-T or FTWR would not be so rare.

The problem I see now is that the rarity rating system has allowed pretty much anyone that has very rare trackers to obtaioned all the others. So anyone that would have very rare trackers gave a lot to obtain those and now has them all haha.

But yeah if it wasn't because of rarity rating systems some tarckers would not be so rare because people would have no problem giving up their rare crappy trackers for really good trackers.

The reason why some people hold on to rare trackers is because they are waiting for that insane offer they can't resufe which is very well buffered trackers. This might be the wrong section to discuss this but I also think that a lot of reviews need to be re-done because they really don't tell the truth about the trackers. With real reviews people would think before trying to trade for rare trackers.

For example if TL would have been rated much higher because of how good it's; it would not have such a huge user database and even though PU gets 4 invites a week they would not be giving away invites like candi.

No many people would have interest in UK-T or FTWR if the rating system was about how good a tracker really is. Therefore because these trackers would not get much attention they would be forced to open signups or increase the user database and give out invites.

[hungdob]

saulin (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../members/saulin-158529) i agree with the main idea but u said so many things that aren't realistic..
trackers dont give a f**k about rating system and wont open signups because they are rated low, u cant make a list that combine rarity&quality because it wont work u need to choose between them and some people will always trade whats rare and not whats good for them

[Gish]

I think trackers should be rated solely on how good they are, meaning the amount and quality of torrents community and staff and not how hard they are to obtain.this rating system has gotten out of control. I have trackers all the way from one to nine but you know what! I use my three's and fours more than my nine's and ten's.
it just gets on my nerves to the point I go other places to do my trading!



Edit: so I have decided to start my own tracker with only 200 members and 50 torrents my goal is to reach level 10 maybe level 12:P you think I can make it:w00t:

[hungdob]

first, theres many other and better ways except of trading :P
as much as i hate seeing people offering their first born for torrent sites i dont think that changing the wiaw thread will change people requests for their accounts but no one cant predict that and if the mods think it might work then ill be the last person to go against it :D
live and let live and respect to everyone:happy:

[Thanos]

I think Trackers Level System should be base in: speed+content+pretime+rarity
I think its fair and its possible.

[hungdob]

I think Trackers Level System should be base in: speed+content+pretime+rarity
I think its possible.

its possible and its the best combination (u can even take pretime & maybe rarity off the list because imo it doesnt mean how good is the tracker).
but its very subjective to rate the trackers like that because u dont have specific definitions for each lvl :dabs:

[eliteman]

I think it should be only speed+content+pretime, not rarity

[Gish]

this rarity bull shit has made people think.. "well I have a shitty level 10 tracker I never use but since its the rarest I'm going to sell it to the highest bitter, and thats unfair to people who don't know any better:dabs:

EDIT: @ hungdob
I understand where you coming from but a change in the WIAW system could promote tracker site staff to get there asses in gear so they can make it to the top and be the best site out there. there of coure will lengthy discussens about how this tracker is better than that but its up to the staff here at FST

[hungdob]

i believe that a change in the wiaw thread could only help this place but im sorry to blow your bubble, trackers staff will prefer not to be mentioned and fst so people wont trade account/invites to their sites and keep it only for people who deserve it and have close community

[finnlugg]

agree to saulin

[hungdob]

agree to saulin
:blink:
saulin is hiding somewhere?:lol:

[saulin]

I'm at work lol. Well the reason why UK-T or trackers like FTWR stay closed is because they have lots of people interested in them and therefore the comunity stays at the same level. However if no one gave a shit about them because they really aren't worth much. The staff would need to open registrations or give more vinvites and up the user limit. It's the users that keep trackers alive.

And the only reason there is huge demand for them is because they are rare. Not because they really are worth more than some Lvl 2-3 trackers.

[znik]

Seriously who cares about the rarity system. If trackers were rated on how good they are then trackers like UK-T or FTWR would not be so rare.

Trackers ARE rated my friend according to how good they are...
Have you noticed a small number 9 besides TL? TL[9]
Yes, it gets 9/10 as far as content concerned... :rolleyes:



But yeah if it wasn't because of rarity rating systems some tarckers would not be so rare because people would have no problem giving up their rare crappy trackers for really good trackers.

Trackers are rare for a certain reason. Rarity is based on how hard it is to get an invite and not because of a silly FST rating system...
When there are 4invites given to every PU on TL how would you expect to be as rare as UK-t, where there are no invites at all for months?



The reason why some people hold on to rare trackers is because they are waiting for that insane offer they can't resufe which is very well buffered trackers. This might be the wrong section to discuss this but I also think that a lot of reviews need to be re-done because they really don't tell the truth about the trackers. With real reviews people would think before trying to trade for rare trackers.

Don't jump into conclusions... Not all people think like you.
Not all people are traders and holding a rare tracker to trade it afterwards.
And the reviews ARE telling the truth, because there are also ratings according to content, pre-times etc



For example if TL would have been rated much higher because of how good it's; it would not have such a huge user database and even though PU gets 4 invites a week they would not be giving away invites like candi.

Do you really believe what you are saying?
Do you think that if TL was rated as level10 in rarity, people wouldn't giveaway their invites?
It is as easy to get invites there as candy my friend...
Have you ever uploaded over 200GB to be able to ask for 1invite? Then you would appreciate the invite I think much more that you do now...



Therefore because these trackers would not get much attention they would be forced to open signups or increase the user database and give out invites.
Do you really think that a tracker gives a shit about the FST ratings? All they care is their safety.
Others care less about safety, like TL, and other much more such as UK-t.
Do you think that Uk-t would open signups to gain your attention or because it would fall deliberately from level10 to level1? :frusty:

[Pluto]

200 gb is nothing really. While the rating system isnt perfect it goes by the trackers rarity, because thats a ranking of how hard it is to get into. Do you believe if the system was based on quality, uk-t or FTWR invites would magiclly float your way ?

[barral01]

The best tracker are in level 8. Level 9 and 10 sucks.

[znik]

Pluto I totally agree with you.

Everyone has a chance to read a review of all trackers and judge if he really needs the content of UK-t with the bad rating they have.
If you are happy with your TL stay with it and don't care about the others who want a rare invite for self gain, curiosity, trade or whatever.

[4fun]

The best tracker are in level 8. Level 9 and 10 sucks.;)i agree

[saulin]

Trackers ARE rated my friend according to how good they are...
Have you noticed a small number 9 besides TL? TL[9]
Yes, it gets 9/10 as far as content concerned...

The only rating that counts for tarders is the rarity rating and most people going to the invite section are traders. believe me :)



Trackers are rare for a certain reason. Rarity is based on how hard it is to get an invite and not because of a silly FST rating system...
When there are 4invites given to every PU on TL how would you expect to be as rare as UK-t, where there are no invites at all for months?

FST is the biggest tracker trading site most likely and the rarity system has a huge impact on trading here. And this site makes some trackers even more rare with their reviews and by giving some trackers high ratings in rarity. My point here was not wether TL should be rated higher because it's rare. It should be rated higher because it's one kick ass tracker. the rarity rating system should just disappear so people can really see the true value of trackers.



Do you really think that a tracker gives a shit about the FST ratings? All they care is their safety.
Others care less about safety, like TL, and other much more such as UK-t.
Do you think that Uk-t would open signups to gain your attention or because it would fall deliberately from level10 to level1?

Yes I do think some trackers actually give a shit about FST rating system. And if it wasn't because of this site that makes UK-T seem like the ultimate tracker I'm sure that UK-T would feel the need to give invites :)

[Gish]

What I'm saying is to get rid of this level-rarity thing and just have levels based on seeder and torrents Only were not saying someone could get into FTN easier but it would mean people would not sell the buffered tracker to the highest bidder and if they did it would be on quality, meaning seeding and amount of torrents and community not on a site that once your in side your sorry you traded everything for nothing;)

[WHRST]

why would u want it at a higher level? don't u "traders" want to get in without giving up every other tracker u have that worths something in the WIAW thread even though that thread should be removed well not removed but the levels/rarity taken out of it. Though i assume traders like the fact that sites like uk-t and rabbit are lvl 10 even though personally i cannot say anything about uk-t so i can't judge that site by just what users here say about it. I am one of those who actually like the rabbit tbh.

[oinkolous]

ratings dont matter..its just the rarity..feels like a jewel in your collection..but i still havent been lucky :(

[mbucari1]

ratings dont matter..its just the rarity..feels like a jewel in your collection..but i still havent been lucky :(LOL :lol::lol::lol:

[saulin]

ratings dont matter..its just the rarity..feels like a jewel in your collection..but i still havent been lucky :(



That's hilarious. So you will give everything you got for a tracker like UK-T because it feels awesome to have it in your collection?

See people that's what rarity ratings do.

[mbucari1]

ratings dont matter..its just the rarity..feels like a jewel in your collection..but i still havent been lucky :(

That's hilarious. So you will give everything you got for a tracker like UK-T because it feels awesome to have it in your collection?

See people that's what rarity ratings do.Stupid, but you have to give him credit for his honesty. He didn't try to dress it up and make his goals look like anything that they aren't.

[bytetorrent]

i thought FTN was an awezome site before i got an invite.. TBH it comes nowhere close to TL.. yes torrentleech is the best .. great content , easy to seed , nice speeds ... what else do you need in a tracker ?? if its not in TL , chances are you wont find it anywhere else .. (not talking about specialised trackers like oink, karagarga etc ) who invented this rarity shit ?? lol ...

[gijew]

i thought FTN was an awezome site before i got an invite.. TBH it comes nowhere close to TL.. yes torrentleech is the best .. great content , easy to seed , nice speeds ... what else do you need in a tracker ?? if its not in TL , chances are you wont find it anywhere else .. (not talking about specialised trackers like oink, karagarga etc ) who invented this rarity shit ?? lol ...
Agree:yup: sometimes torrentleech pre times are faster than FTN! but FTN speeds are awesome always 1mb/s+ but a bit hard to seed on... on torrentleech is the easiest tracker to seed on... I seed about 100GB a day on there.. hehe

[jam0980tr]

i think this tracker lv s**** is makeing every go crazy long as u can get what you need from any tracker thats what counts!!!!
who cares about the rateing system its all abort the pre time people!!!

[redMonster]

We should all raise a protest against the rarity system. :P

[Nighthunter]

In the rarity thread there is a 10 besides SCT for how good the trackers are.

SCT and FTN on top and less good trackers down the list that's what I'm looking for, not rarity.

If we are not to remove the rarity thread we could at least make a new one for how good they are.

It can sound cool to have uk-t but in the end I think we all would rather be on the "best" and not the "rarest" tracker.

[Schism]

i sort of disagree. even outside of this forum people will want what they can't have, it's our nature

[ceasar]

I don't see a big problem in having rarity marks in a system. Some people will base their values on it and the others will do it on quality. It's free world and if someone want to have their 7-10 levels collection - why not - it's their right. Myself prefers 8-10 quality :P

[Schism]

because it's a stupid and fairly innacurrate way to describe trackers

[Nighthunter]

Well I'm more of a community guy so for me rare trackers are kinda nice. You have this closed tight community .. idc about the trackers on those sites. UK-t has a bad tracker but great community and that's nice if you like that. I think when you combine tracker and community like ftn has done you get a good site.

From what I've read here on fst there's only 2 things that counts: Get the best tracker so you could download, or get the rarest tracker so you could impress people. Some of you acctually do care about the community thing and respect that and I + that :D.

I wouldn't want to trade for ftwr, if I get in it would be for the community not mainly the tracker. If I traded for it I wouldn't feel apart of the community.

So I gues rarity could serve a point, though there should be a notice on the first page that the rare sites most likely contains a good community then a great tracker.

[saulin]

It just doesn't work because it encourages trades a lot more than giveaways and people start asking for ridiculous trades because it's a level 9-10. Yes right now the best trackers are lvel 8 and below. Heck some of the best trackers are level 2-3 or level 4-5.

TL
RevTT
TTI
Oink
BitmeTV
Bitme

So it's a stupid and unfair way to decribe trackers. Just have a rating based on pre times, speed and content and the true winners should come to the light. And the stupid trades should stop and hopefully more people will start sharing more which is what invites are for.

Like I said before, a lot of trackers now really need proper reviews since they have got a lot better. Really overrated trackers also need a proper review so people can actually see what these trackers really have to offer.

[Nighthunter]

Saulin what are u saying that the most opened less secure trackers are the best? :D.

I agree with the reviews... especially uk-t :D.

[saulin]

Yes because they are. Nothing beats Oink for Music, Nothing beats BitmeTV for TV stuff and we all know that TL and RevTT kick ass as general trackers, Bitme is the best educational tracker and TTI is looking very good.

These trackers have content. They are fairly easy to seed on, they got speeds etc..

Of course SweDVDR is a sweet one as well and so is NB. SCT as well and should be a lot easier to seed there than on FTN.

But yeah besides rarity what makes UK-T lvl 10? What the hell makes Exigo and FTWR level 9 except rarity?

The point is that lower lvl trackers are very good and very underrated because of the rarity rating system at FST.

[Nighthunter]

Yeah your are so right. Though I think the "higher" rated trackers often has a better community, some of them : / ( for example swedvdr and sct). I don't think all of them deserves to be way up there.. like uk-t i don't even know why it's on the list it's impossible to get in and u don't need it if you don't wanna be apart of the "family" :D.

[bloodhell]

TL was my first private site .. it was so difficult to get an invite .. then i started to read about different sites and level here in FST .. IMHO i have never seen a tracker as good as TL ( yea.. i have FTN ,ScT ,BITMETV etc etc ) .. OINK is an exception .. if patriot foreve havent started that rarity thingy .. people might have started to giveaway more...

[Mareko]

Maybe add the 2 ratings together to have one complete rating - SCT & FTN would then top the list, which most ppl would probably agree with and TL would be above the middle-mark.

[Nighthunter]

It was 1-5 before :D..

[jam0980tr]

i know sites that not even on list and they are top scene site shshshh

Oink BitmeTV shud be lv10 that what i think and TL is two low TL shud be 7 or 8
sct 10 ftn 9 uk-t 7 thats how i look at it by pre time

[Gish]

We should all talk to staff about this because if allot of people came froward maybe things would change!

[fstrulz]

FTN just moved up to lvl 9.

[mikechrobot]

how long was it level 8, one day, and for what, so friends of staff could get them easier, wtf, don't get this shit
and i agree that trackers should be rated by speed, content and pre, and then TL would be best for content, Sct for speed, and SCC for pre, and they would be the highest rated sites, the whole rarity shit makes no sense at all

[Angrod]

how long was it level 8, one day, and for what, so friends of staff could get them easier, wtf, don't get this shit
and i agree that trackers should be rated by speed, content and pre, and then TL would be best for content, Sct for speed, and SCC for pre, and they would be the highest rated sites, the whole rarity shit makes no sense at all

Word! I tried to tradering some lv3-4 trackers for an FTN invite, but he wanted an Swedvdr account with min. 100gb buffer, FSC, good buffered BitMeTV account... I have Swedvdr with 400gb buffer, but dont mind to give this for an FTN invite, because i have TorrentLeech ^^ Swedvdr should be at LV9, not FTN.

I think any get disappointed if they tradered an Swedvdr account with high buffer for an FTN invite. Good to be warned.

[mikechrobot]

totally agree with you, FTN can't give you nothing above TL, swedvdr can, and it's the only site I need to have a complete set of everything I need, OiNK for music, TL for content, sct for speed, and now waiting for swedvdr for dvdrs :P

[hungdob]

mikechrobot (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../../members/mikechrobot-161968) ull have to wait atleast till september :P

[richboy]

whats happening in september

[hungdob]

whats happening in september

someone said that swedvdr might enable invites again..

[snowprince]

I feel there is too much hue and cry about these so called 'rare' trackers. I am a member at almost all (including F*N, FT*R, Exigo, UK-t and many others). I have compared many times with simpler sites. Out of any given 100 torrents on these sites, you will find atleast 98 on other sites like Torrentleech, Pisexy, Powerbits, Norbits and Swebits.Atleast 8 to 9 times, I have downloaded a torrent wich had only few seeds (2 or 3, for example, Titan*C DVDR 7.36 GB) from Powerbits and still I got awesome speeds. NB, Powerbits and TL offer great speeds. I have NEVER been disappointed at these sites. I am a memebr at those 'rare' sites since last 1 year or so, but have hardly downloaded anything from there. They are simply OVERRATED. If you feel I am talking too much crap, compare the torrents for yourself at all these sites I told above. By far, Torrentleech is the best for DVDR's, except that it is late by a day or two from other sites in the torrents

[mikechrobot]

hope that in september i can find a nice soul who will hook me up with swedvdr invite :)

[Angrod]

By far, Torrentleech is the best for DVDR's, except that it is late by a day or two from other sites in the torrents

Offtopic:
No way, Swedvdr is the best for DVDR's... No wonder!

Ontopic:
I agree you that FTN is very overrated! Im not suprised that they (even most of users) are so hidely and claim about FTN is the best even, because to get other trackers or something without getting trouble.

[saulin]

Lol here is a fine example of how overrated tarckers are used to get very good trackers with huge buffers.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-ftwr-trade-197495

I bet you that there is no much buffer at all on that FTWR acc because he probably barely uses it too.

Something that amazes me too is how people will offer buffered level 7 accounts for 1 lvl 8 or buffered level 8 accounts for 1 level 9. All traders see is the rarity rating and don't even realize what they are offering. I bet that they really get shocked when they actually get in and realize how much they gave and just to find out it sure as hell was not worth it lol. Then they will try to get the tarckers they gave back.

Then again I doubt they buffered those accounts. They are either cheated or they got them from trading anyways.

[mossy123]

I agree, give away your free level 8 and 9 trackers here <------------------

;)

[Patriot foreve]

Had along time reading the comments

well,to be honest i saw that a large portion of members seemed to ignore or not taken close look of the ratings as most of them talked about the rarity ranking and just forgot to mention that if they look well into the main thread post they would be able to see the other ranking we have which was implented to help members figure out the trackers that they would use instead of just getting trackers based on rarity ,as i always say and point out there is brackets besides each tracker [] where the number between brackets indicates the overall ranking of the tracker based on (content+speed+pre times)

There is also the trackers reviews which is avery helpful way to know more about almost all listed trackers in the thread and sothat u can makeup your decision whether you are going to need this tracker or not as most of the reviews contains inside screenshots from the tracker showing content,seeders,forums ,etc besides that alot of those reviews have some decenet members opinions about their experience in these trackers

but unfortunately a wide range just disregard those things (other ranking ,reviews) and just look at the rarity ranking only

Personally i don't recommend members to go after high trackers based on rarity because alot of them suck in my opinion and if u concentrate well ,u will see that alot of lvl2 and lvl 3 trackers have much better ranking [] than those in the top

I have been to hundreds of trackers but if i had to choose what trackers i can keep ,i would choose definetly the low level ones like TL and Revolutiontt besides Czone for 0-day stuff and other lower lvls because i can get whatever i want from these trackers and their pre-times are getting much faster besides that it won't hurt me to wait like 5 mins after the release is out on another tracker

so rarity thing isn't really everything because there is another ranking besides the reviews available ,everyone can choose what suits him and use it or just ignore the whole thread and do whatever he likes :)

[Schism]

edit

[mikechrobot]

well, if rarity isn't the most important thing, why don't u just turn the WIAW thread into ranking sites by all, speed, content, pre and rarity, making the general levels based on rarity makes the people think that it's the most important thing, which it isn't

[fstrulz]

If the ranking would be based on: speed, content, pretimes, and rarity (with 2.5 points max for each)...

I think it would be for:

TL: speed(2), content(2.5), pretimes(2), rarity(.5) = lvl 7 (rounded off)

FTN: speed(2), content(2), pretimes(2.5), rarity(2) = lvl 9 (rounded off)

SCT: speed(2.5), content(2.5), pretimes(2), rairity(2) = lvl 9

[mikechrobot]

good job fstrulz, it's actually quite good formula to use, and I agree with the rating

[Gish]

I think what some people are trying to say and I'm just trying to sum it all up is that we want level of rarity gone or less difined and simply integrate levels solely or pre times torrent etc. the way the wiaw thread is now it puts more importence on rarity than it does what number is in []
and for noobs and members alike what is in [] is less important than what it says under level 10 tracker.

Edit: good formula fstrulz! I like

[kapowcowpwned]

If the ranking would be based on: speed, content, pretimes, and rarity (with 2.5 points max for each)...

I think it would be for:

TL: speed(2), content(2.5), pretimes(2), rarity(.5) = lvl 7 (rounded off)

FTN: speed(2), content(2), pretimes(2.5), rarity(2) = lvl 9 (rounded off)

SCT: speed(2.5), content(2.5), pretimes(2), rairity(2) = lvl 9



Now why would FTN have the same rarity as SCT when FTN has a way lower user base and hardly anyone even tries to trade in public. Also why would you give FTN a speed of 2? I get the same speeds at FTN as I do at SCT so it doesn't make sense imo.

[Gish]

Relax it's just an example;)

[maynard]

I share your opinions, i really think the WIAW thread should be redone so that the main focus isnt rarity. I think the formula presented by fstrulz its pretty good and the admins should really consider redoing the thread using a formula like this :)

[kapowcowpwned]

Relax it's just an example;)

and I'm just critiquing the example

[Gish]

Ok?..... LOL

[redMonster]

I too think that the WIAW thread should be changed into a Tracker Reviews thread with the rarity rating in the brackets [ ]. That will make the content more important and the rarity secondary. The levels should be based on content, rather than rarity.

[mbucari1]

I say we make it a level 1 as a psych experiment. See how many people want it when it's not "rare".

[Old-Horse]

I say we make it a level 1 as a psych experiment. See how many people want it when it's not "rare".
:yup:

[shosh]

does it really matter what level its at

the ratings list is really for noobs, to prevent them from making ridiculous requests