R U With Changing The Ratio Methhod?

[vipdiablo]

R U WITH CHANGING THE RATIO METHHOD?-
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old way by Patriot foreve (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/members/patriot-foreve-131955) thats based on rarity
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-what-invites-worth-with-reviews-and-ratings-142446
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or
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new way by fstrulz (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/members/fstrulz-161439) thats beased on speed , content , pretimes , rarity
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-alternative-rating-method-197764
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[TorrentMaster9]

R U WITH CHANGING THE RATIO METHHOD?-
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old way by Patriot foreve (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/members/patriot-foreve-131955) vbmenu_register("postmenu_1708264", true); thats based on rarity
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-what-invites-worth-with-reviews-and-ratings-142446
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or
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new way by fstrulz (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/members/fstrulz-161439) thats beased on speed , content , pretimes , rarity
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-alternative-rating-method-197764
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I think the best is forget levels and just have a ratings about contect,speed rarity etc. then everyone trade what he think is fair:yup:

[titofat]

I Prefer Old Way

[KFlint]

old way...

[0sec]

i think the old way is better..
If we change the old system to the fstrulz system, so all tracker will be around lvl8 and 9, a lot will be lvl7 also, but the count of lvl9 trackers will be to high, so we cant trade property

[ps2king]

im voting on the old way too

[REVTTtorrent]

i voted with the new Way

every one needs speed then content then pretimes

[Str8ek]

maybe both...

[Giveaway]

who cares about rarity?
we need content and speed.

i could build a website and make it rare..really rare.. and then the content might even be totally crap: but there would be tons of ppl wanting to join..

[remoo1901]

old way ,,, i guess

[KFlint]

who cares about rarity?
we need content and speed.

i could build a website and make it rare..really rare.. and then the content might even be totally crap: but there would be tons of ppl wanting to join..

you could, no one would want to join it...

if your site has no good uploaders, not a good community etc... then you won't even have a overall rating of 2/10 on pretimes, content, speed. so even if your site is the rarest, you won't even see it on the WIAW because it's complete shit on all the aspects and then no one would bother...

even if UK-T or FTWR aren't the best trackers, they still are well established ones and it seems like their communities are great

[SgtMajor]

There has to be room for alternative views, so for wiatw then the old way for trading purposes, and for those looking for content and what tracker is best for content, speed & pre-time then the new method, but the new method is for content only and not for trading values of what a tracker is worth.

[SpiderPig]

Both, one is rarity, one is content ONLY

[ps2king]

but the wiaw thread already has content etc ratings in brackets.....
* Trackers now have ratings from 1 to 10 in the [#] tags.
* This is based on Content and Speed and Pre-Times.
plus most sites have a nice review to find out more info

[SkullForce]

See, old ppl will select the old way as they have most of high leveled sites but the newbies will select the new was as the they want to get the high leveled sites rapidly that will never happen.

[ps2king]

yep people dont just give out ftn invites for good offers, they need to know they are inviting sum1 who is trustworthy.

if sum1 came along who had been here 1 month with a uk-t acc i wudnt give ftn invite for it cos they could do anything.

its not always about what there worth,trust is a big part too.

plus ive gave a few ftn for free to people i know cos i can trust them

[Thatsgreat]

First of all the new way is not fstrulz idea. He clearly said that he has copied it from another thread, and what does ''are you with changing the ratio method?'' Ratio as in ranking? Secondly the old way is far more better. The new people to this forum eventually learn the ranking system, so what's the point to make a new one?

[blackarrow]

New way is good

[Power75]

i think that the people with all the rare sites already prefer the old way and the people without the high level sites now prefer the new way. The reason some trackers are so wanted is not because it is good but because it is rare. The new way makes no sense because no one is going to give fsc for tl or anything of that nature. Besides, the old way already has two different values, one for rarity and one for the quality of the site.

[mikechrobot]

you could, no one would want to join it...

if your site has no good uploaders, not a good community etc... then you won't even have a overall rating of 2/10 on pretimes, content, speed. so even if your site is the rarest, you won't even see it on the WIAW because it's complete shit on all the aspects and then no one would bother...

even if UK-T or FTWR aren't the best trackers, they still are well established ones and it seems like their communities are great

Well, Revolt and HPJ have almsot no torrents, no speed, no pretimes, aren't on WIAW thread but people would give all they have for them, so i guess you could make an ultra rare site which would we demanded, you just need a good community like those two sites do

[RaPPeR]

almost all peoples that have the [current] high level trackers and worked hard to get it will be against it.
and most of those that dont have high levels will be for it.
but trading its not about content . its about rarity. and almost only the rarity.
so if the new system will be, i dont think it will be that "fun" to collect trackers for peeps. cuz every one can get TL . but they want what they cant get, and it means rare trackers!
i actually dont know if i'm for it or against it. ^^
but because i dont have a lot of rare trackers and i'm against collecting them for fun . i'll vote "yes" .

[ps2king]

Ah but do u know that hpj have almost no torrents, ive never come across any1 with an acc there so its kinda impossible to find that out.

unless u do no sum1 with acc

[limpdickkid]

We should have both, in two different threads. One rating just the rarity of the trackers the other accounting for everything. So that we dont have people saying that I'll give you say a 1TB buffered TL for an FTN invite. Although looking at it the new rating system that would sound like a good deal but most people know that rarity wise that would be a rip-off deal.

[Buggyme]

"Ratio" -_-

Anyways, the current system is fine. Anyone who does not care about rarity can just look at the number inside the [].

Remember, the whole point of this is to guide newbies in trading. A tracker's value are mostly based on 'rarity', not actually the content itself. A lot of people give away TL, which means it's relatively low in trading value - easier to obtain, even though it is actually quite an excellent site.

If we combine the ratings together, then those ratings will not reflect the true trading value of the tracker and therefore the thread will not serve as a guide for "newbies" as effectively as before. For example, 'rarer' and less prolific (in terms of content/speed) sites like FSC, etc. may then have the same or similar rating as a common tracker but highly valued in terms of content/speed, like TL (under the new system)!

That would be a disaster because, people will then start offering TL for FSC because it has the same rating! Clearly, there is a clear difference in value between the two sites - you could probably get dozens of TL invites for an FSC account. Will that make FST a better place? I don't think so.

[vipdiablo]

i think that we should use both and mix them as if site is only very rareity and speed and contonet r bad it get high level so i think that rairty be taken in the new rate but we use also the speed and contonet so FTN and ScT be in levle 10

[OmaRin0]

let's keep the old and put a new one..

[bunny67]

as long as i get my stuff d/l for free and i seed back dnt give a shit

[valhala]

new way is better
we need content & speed

[jaffrey]

i prefer new way !

[KFlint]

you could, no one would want to join it...

if your site has no good uploaders, not a good community etc... then you won't even have a overall rating of 2/10 on pretimes, content, speed. so even if your site is the rarest, you won't even see it on the WIAW because it's complete shit on all the aspects and then no one would bother...

even if UK-T or FTWR aren't the best trackers, they still are well established ones and it seems like their communities are great

Well, Revolt and HPJ have almsot no torrents, no speed, no pretimes, aren't on WIAW thread but people would give all they have for them, so i guess you could make an ultra rare site which would we demanded, you just need a good community like those two sites do

then if you start a site which has a community that everyone wanna join, then fine, it deserves it's rarity, but what are the odds that such a project would really work for you? quite low in fact

and like ps2king said, what do you know about HPJ, you were asking what it is in a thread 2 days ago...!

[Sawyer2020]

I vote for new way but its not that easy like 1man said but
we all make rarity for sites
well if I want for example SCT and other one want bitmetv
and we did swap we will be both happy after
thats all we both not looking for levels but what we want and what we get
right !!!!!!!!!

[playa]

new way because we need speed and content ;)

[BamZow]

who cares about rarity?
we need content and speed.

By looking at your sig, it looks like you do.
You have the same content, but better speeds at other trackers than FTN, but you still want it?

I like those rare ones, mostly because the people in them. Use to be a good friendship in the more rarer sites with not so much new users comming.

[r9batista]

I would like changing it for the new way, but its totally hard.

Nearly all of FST members have a TL account or even two or more, while maybe 1 of every 20 has UK-T. But if it is changed to the new way TL will be rated higher and harder to get, and it is nearly impossible not happen.

So keeping it the old way is maybe better.

But giving a ratio of 5 of the old way and 5 of the new way and adding them would help so much

[Skiz]

new way because we need speed and content ;)

The current system lists speed and content as well.

[KFlint]

we wouldn't even have this discussion if FTN and SCT were still top levels in rarity...

[barral01]

New way. Prefer content and speed than rarity.

[Daniel]

Okay now I've caught up with the old thread and this one with a poll. I've read some interesting points and some things I have to comment on. But first off, I've voted for YES because changing the rating method should help in creating a more balanced and fair trading community. I do believe that it is worth a try to "out" some rare trackers that are in reality just mediocre. What I expect from that? Well, ideally those invites will become gradually less worth because of a lack of interest. In reality it probably won't work this way, because it looks like we have way too many collectors here that only care about being elitist-members on some very rare trackers. While I don't condemn this behavior or mindset, I also don't think that it's helping this forum very much.

My second reason for changing the rating method is to express the true value of the tracker for the first time, compared to all others that are listed. Like I've mentioned earlier somewhere, about 90 trackers in that list have a rating of 6 to 8 with very few above or below that. This doesn't help anyone because how can you compare five trackers that all have a rating of 7 but are in the facts that count very different from each other?

Many of you have mentioned possible new trades like TL for FTN, or something similar, and I'm very sure that this would ultimately be a bad thing. It is within our own power to change it, though. Rarity is without a doubt an important part of this forum and therefore, the level has to reflect that somehow. While other parts of the rating may only get 0-2.5 points, rarity could have a higher ratio of 0-5 or 0-7.5 or even 0-10 at the beginning. I suggest this because it would stop from jumbling all those rare trackers with others that aren't. On the other hand it would be a first step to let the tracker's quality influence its level. ((Personally, I'd use a similar ratings system that lets me recreate a level calculation by using percentages. In any case, the current suggestion would need a bit of fine tuning. ))

Someone in this thread mentioned that with only 2.5 points per criteria we'd all get level 7 to 9 trackers. Well the thing is, we already have this not helping rating if you look at the current list. While the levels are correctly based on rarity, the rating of only a handful of trackers can be taken seriously. Everything else gets lost in the pablum that is rating 6 to 8.

The most important point, whether this new ratio system gets a go or not, is to update the way ratings are built or chosen. If you want to choose a rating for i.e. VIPMusic you should choose values for content, speed and pre-times in direct comparison to other music trackers! To get accurate results, people should only be allowed to suggest ratings by comparing two competing trackers against each other. And ffs, please use the whole width that is offered to you, nobody needs another rating method that ends up putting 80 per cent of the trackers on exactly the same spot again. Start with 0.5 as your lowest point!

[fstrulz]

If you actually read the trackers reviews in the WIAW (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-what-invites-worth-with-reviews-and-ratings-142446) thread, in the bottom of each review you'll find ratings based on 4 categories: speed, content, pretimes, and rarity. Why not use these ratings altogether to determine the overall rating of a tracker? (using my suggested formula or other proportional formulas)...

I think by implementing this new trackers rating system, all trackers will be rated and treated fairly and equally.

:rolleyes:

[shosh]

you should take the whole thing down.
i remember this whole fiasco started when a noob asked what invites were worth and syD gave a detailed answer

but i think the reviews of trackers are valuable to those who dont know what a tracker may have and in what language

[SpiderPig]

Here is a perfect example of why there should be no WIAW thread to begin with:

A random new guy with a very kind heart comes into FST and posts in his first topic.. a free invite to UK-T (which, by WIAW thread's standard, is at the apex of trackers). If this guy had read the stickies, I doubt he would've given it out.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-little-giveaway-186773

[Daniel]

Why not use these ratings altogether to determine the overall rating of a tracker? (using my suggested formula or other proportional formulas)..
If you were talking to me, yes I agree with you about these values. The thing that needs to be worked on is the formula used for creating the new result. Those would be some levels if points are used directly:

10,0 FTN
9,5 SCT
9,0 SweDVDR
9,0 TT
8,0 FSC
8,0 NB
7,8 RevTT
7,8 FTWR
7,8 UK-T
7,5 TL
7,5 SCC
6,3 BitMeTV
5,8 BitMe
5,3 E***o
5,0 OiNK
3,5 Demonoid

Doesn't really work all that well because not all have pre-time ratings or are 0day trackers .. plus OiNK way down there isn't true either ;) Looks like both the ratings and the formula need some work to accurately give back what is true about those trackers.

[direstraits]

Here is a perfect example of why there should be no WIAW thread to begin with:

A random new guy with a very kind heart comes into FST and posts in his first topic.. a free invite to UK-T (which, by WIAW thread's standard, is at the apex of trackers). If this guy had read the stickies, I doubt he would've given it out.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-little-giveaway-186773

you forgot the fact that almost everyone here is influenced by capitalism and private property ;)

[ceasar]

I voted for old way, but there's a clear mistake in a voting questing. Ratio have nothing to deal with rating system. Ratio - it's simple Upload/Download and nothing else. Should be corrected, cheers.