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fugley
06-16-2003, 06:16 PM
How do you justify to yourself the use of Kazaa. Every time you download movies, music, software or a book you are probably breaking the law. Not very moral is it.

Excuses I have heard include - "but I did pay to see it at the pictures as well" or "they were ripping people off anyway!" or "it's there so I'm gonna use it" (meaning the ability and apparatus to download for free, if illegally) or "unlikely you will get caught!" etc etc etc .....trust you get the picture.


Is it wrong? Please discuss!
tite-wad
06-16-2003, 06:21 PM
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fugley
06-16-2003, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by tite-wad@16 June 2003 - 18:21
I do it - 'cause I can! :P

What more justification do I need?
I commend you! You are an honest criminal moron just like me!!! :D
tite-wad
06-16-2003, 06:32 PM
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fugley
06-16-2003, 06:33 PM
:( Oh shit!
fugley
06-16-2003, 06:41 PM
Strangely... its gone real quiet for this one! Maybe I should stick to clacker whacking and arsehair type topics! :blink:
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 06:42 PM
I put my hands up and admit it.



Im a criminal.
Everything i download is illegal, pretty much, all i get is movie's and music.
Then again, maybe some of these artists don't mind.
Does that make it ok?

Im waiting for the inspector to walk through my door now.....

woe is me officer !!

i admit it but i had no malintent !!
Lamsey
06-16-2003, 06:44 PM
I only steal from those who won't notice it. I won't steal from small bands or in-trouble game studios. I bought Thief 1 and Thief 2 but that didn't stop pirates putting Looking Glass Studios out of business.

I use freeware whenever I can and if I can't, then I'll pirate from the company least deserving of my money in my opinion (generally Microsoft).

In terms of music, I'll happily download from massive bands like INXS or Evanescence, but I buy CDs from smaller bands like Solas or Deaf Shepherd who need the cash - and I don't share the mp3s I make from the CDs.


I only pirate if I can honestly say I don't feel it is immoral to do so.
Proper Bo
06-16-2003, 06:47 PM
I justify it because I can't be afford to buy all the albums I want or afford to go see the latest films at the cinema or buy DVDs. I'm not saying it's right, it's just why I do it. I do in a way pay though, it's the only thing I use my broadband internet for so I'm not getting the stuff absolutely free.

Also, who wants to pay for stuff when they know other's are getting it for free? I could get on my moral high horse and ignore this and pay for the stuff but I couldn't afford to even if I wanted to.
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@16 June 2003 - 18:47
I do in a way pay though, it's the only thing I use my broadband internet for so I'm not getting the stuff absolutely free.
me too!!
Tyke
06-16-2003, 06:49 PM
OK here goes...

<<insert diatribe about the capitalist system and the working classes having nothing to sell but their labour, fed the crumbs from the rich man&#39;s table and all that>>

there...justified :P
J'Pol
06-16-2003, 06:50 PM
Legality and Morality are entirely seperate issues.

The former is an agreed set of rules, as such is entirely objective. The latter is a matter of individual conscience and is entirely subjective.

One can quite easily break a law without having any particular moral issue. Basically as Lamsey outlined. He takes a moral stance, while being willing to break the particular law.
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Tyke@16 June 2003 - 18:49
OK here goes...

<<insert diatribe about the capitalist system and the working classes having nothing to sell but their labour, fed the crumbs from the rich man&#39;s table and all that>>

there...justified :P
is it orthodox for the working classes to have broadband internet access in their homes on a home PC, downloading movies and music?
hobbes
06-16-2003, 06:51 PM
I used to know the answer to this one.

If the "search" function were returned, I could find my original post and understand again why I do these heinous acts.
Proper Bo
06-16-2003, 06:52 PM
is it orthodox for the working classes to have broadband internet access in their homes on a home PC, downloading movies and music?


we shouldn&#39;t have broadband and computers&#33; we should be down t&#39;pit&#33;
J'Pol
06-16-2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by hobbes@16 June 2003 - 19:51
I used to know the answer to this one.

If the "search" function were returned, I could find my original post and understand again why I do these heinous acts.
See my last. It&#39;s more succinct than you.
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@16 June 2003 - 18:52

we shouldn&#39;t have broadband and computer&#39;s&#33; we should be down t&#39;pit&#33;
:lol: :lol: :lol:

lmao &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
fugley
06-16-2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@16 June 2003 - 18:47
I justify it because I can&#39;t be afford to buy all the albums I want or afford to go see the latest films at the cinema or buy DVDs. I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s right, it&#39;s just why I do it. I do in a way pay though, it&#39;s the only thing I use my broadband internet for so I&#39;m not getting the stuff absolutely free.

Also, who wants to pay for stuff when they know other&#39;s are getting it for free? I could get on my moral high horse and ignore this and pay for the stuff but I couldn&#39;t afford to even if I wanted to.
Have to agree bout the broad band bit - I would not pay the 50£ I pay if it weren&#39;t for this.(file sharing)
that1dude
06-16-2003, 06:53 PM
i admit to not stealing a thing. stealing would be to actualy take it from the source which somebody already has and made it available and legal for the people. if you downloaded a movie thats still in theatres thats not stealing. stealing is going in there with a camera and tapeing it. your just taking it from a willing criminal. Its like seeing somebody get mugged you had no part in the act but you seen it and you didnt say anything unless you do then you would just be a pussy. so ya :ph34r:
Tyke
06-16-2003, 06:54 PM
It&#39;s cheaper than the traditional 7-nights-a-week down the bookies and the working man&#39;s club&#33; :D

I knew I shouldn&#39;t have used the "class" phrase, that&#39;s a diff. debate altogether and it was meant as a joke, but yeah, more people have B/B now, even me on pennies over the minimum wage.
Proper Bo
06-16-2003, 06:58 PM
BB bloody t&#39;internet&#33;? All we can afford is a loaf Hovis without t&#39; bits in it and a bit of drippin a week between ten of us&#33;
hobbes
06-16-2003, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by Lamsey@16 June 2003 - 19:44
I only steal from those who won&#39;t notice it. I won&#39;t steal from small bands or in-trouble game studios. I bought Thief 1 and Thief 2 but that didn&#39;t stop pirates putting Looking Glass Studios out of business.



I only pirate if I can honestly say I don&#39;t feel it is immoral to do so.
Lamsey makes an excellent point about computer games.

Computer games are often a marginal thing, particularly adventure games. By sharing these types of games, I my extinguish their future by making them unprofitable.

So please continue to buy your games retail, if you can. Thanks.
fugley
06-16-2003, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 18:50
Legality and Morality are entirely seperate issues.

The former is an agreed set of rules, as such is entirely objective. The latter is a matter of individual conscience and is entirely subjective.

One can quite easily break a law without having any particular moral issue. Basically as Lamsey outlined. He takes a moral stance, while being willing to break the particular law.
Ok but if we look ahead a number of years film companies might not see that there is the same return as there was and people might lose their jobs etc etc.

As soon as big companies smell decline for what ever reason they have to react.
You / me could be doin some poor laddy me chum out of their job&#33;&#33; Films being made for 100grand instead of 100 millions. Line get&#39;s a bit blurry then (think of the children of these employees)

Bottom line question is are we doin wrong?
TheDave
06-16-2003, 07:04 PM
if they deserve it i&#39;ll pay but lets face it not many do.

in the movies i pay to see it in the cinema but no film is worth buying. you just dont watch it enough to get your £15 worth, specially after a fiver at the pictures B)
Proper Bo
06-16-2003, 07:05 PM
Bottom line question is are we doin wrong?

Legally, yes. Morally, it&#39;s each to their own opinion.
tite-wad
06-16-2003, 07:06 PM
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crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 07:09 PM
im still a criminal &#33;&#33;

look im downloading a movie not yet released in the cinema....

how can that be right?
TheDave
06-16-2003, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 19:09
im still a criminal &#33;&#33;

look im downloading a movie not yet released in the cinema....

how can that be right?
well youd better hope that movies crap then :lol:
tite-wad
06-16-2003, 07:24 PM
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fugley
06-16-2003, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 19:09
im still a criminal &#33;&#33;

look im downloading a movie not yet released in the cinema....

how can that be right?
Just think of all the cinemas you may close in the next few years&#33;

You is a bad boy billy&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
evilbagpuss
06-16-2003, 07:41 PM
It would be pretty cool if there was a scheme where you could send the artist / people in the factories what they get per CD.

It would only be about 10p per CD or something disgusting like that.

Punish the fatcats who close down factories, make workers redundant and then get multi-million dollar payoffs for their &#39;expertise&#39;.

fatcats == parasites.
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by fugley@16 June 2003 - 19:33

Just think of all the cinemas you may close in the next few years&#33;

You is a bad boy billy&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
that soon.......the next few years, eh?

Im off to cancel that download.....

Mr Cruise deserves my money, really, he does.

Oh wait, he isnt in any movies now......
fugley
06-16-2003, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats+16 June 2003 - 19:43--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (crazy_billy_bats @ 16 June 2003 - 19:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fugley@16 June 2003 - 19:33

Just think of all the cinemas you may close in the next few years&#33;

You is a bad boy billy&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
that soon.......the next few years, eh?

Im off to cancel that download.....

Mr Cruise deserves my money, really, he does.

Oh wait, he isnt in any movies now...... [/b][/quote]
How will Richard Gere raise the cash to feed his hampsters billy?
Buffalo
06-16-2003, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats+16 June 2003 - 19:43--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (crazy_billy_bats @ 16 June 2003 - 19:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fugley@16 June 2003 - 19:33

Just think of all the cinemas you may close in the next few years&#33;

You is a bad boy billy&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
that soon.......the next few years, eh?

Im off to cancel that download.....

Mr Cruise deserves my money, really, he does.

Oh wait, he isnt in any movies now...... [/b][/quote]
Oh come on Billy&#33; Old Tom must be down to his last 20 million or so.....have a heart :lol:

Jonno B)
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US@16 June 2003 - 19:45

Oh come on Billy&#33; Old Tom must be down to his last 20 million or so.....have a heart :lol:

Jonno B)
oh ok then ill restart....


but what about the student who&#39;s job at the popcorn stand at UGC supports his life?

as an example.

No cinemas, no popcorn.

No graduates.
Buffalo
06-16-2003, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats+16 June 2003 - 19:50--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (crazy_billy_bats @ 16 June 2003 - 19:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CELEBS_ARE_US@16 June 2003 - 19:45

Oh come on Billy&#33; Old Tom must be down to his last 20 million or so.....have a heart :lol:

Jonno B)
oh ok then ill restart....


but what about the student who&#39;s job at the popcorn stand at UGC supports his life?

as an example.

No cinemas, no popcorn.

No graduates. [/b][/quote]
WOOOOHOOOOOOOOO&#33;

Would&#39;nt life be grand :D :lol:

Any way those guys at the popcorn stand are really annoying :angry: :D

Jonno B)
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 07:55 PM
ok then, another example:

the "greeter&#39;s" at the entrance of the cinema......

the clerks behind the desk,

the reel guy who puts the film on,

and several other unheard of heroes in the cinema scene. Where would we be?

I believe there are peoples jobs at stake here :(

Even if they are annoying or not :D
Acecool
06-16-2003, 07:57 PM
I buy what I download, I download to make backups of things I own as I am entitled to.

Example, books, I downloaded a few books, what happened to my real in paper books? Well, I bought them, expensive pieces of paper...
Then they ended up getting moldy and ruined...

Luckily I had my backup :-)

Anyway also how about


I bought flight sim 2002 pro, in germany, without multilingual settings...

The german translation was, to say the least, shitty...
Beenden means exit, close, leave, it ended up being the button to (open door)

So I downloaded CD1 only of fs2002 pro for the english version, and could actuatly play it, dont play it anymore but hey..
tite-wad
06-16-2003, 07:57 PM
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Buffalo
06-16-2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 19:55


I believe there are peoples jobs at stake here :(

Even if they are annoying or not :D
OK then&#33; I suppose the girl that gives the leaflets out in the foyay (speglingg) are quite nice :D And the Ushers are always pleasant&#33; Ok you convinced me......Oi&#33;&#33;&#33; you lot stop it now&#33; :D Beside I can&#39;t dl movies (56k mod) it takes months to dl a flick so if I can&#39;t you lot should stop too :P :D At least until we get broadband&#33; :D

In all seriousness tho, I don&#39;t agree with dl new movies &#39;cos a movie cost a shed load of money and they are providing entertainment for us, so they deseve our £5 or what ever :)

Jonno B)
tite-wad
06-16-2003, 08:12 PM
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tite-wad
06-16-2003, 08:12 PM
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fugley
06-16-2003, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 19:55
ok then, another example:

the "greeter&#39;s" at the entrance of the cinema......

the clerks behind the desk,

the reel guy who puts the film on,

and several other unheard of heroes in the cinema scene. Where would we be?

I believe there are peoples jobs at stake here :(

Even if they are annoying or not :D
Well done billy you have illustrated in an understandable way that this is not just a simple legal issue but a moral one also&#33; - indeedy deedy&#33; Please award you self a special billy bonus biscuit from the special billy bonus biscuit tin&#33; :D

enjoy&#33;
Tyke
06-16-2003, 08:21 PM
ABC...Cecil...etc..etc...

I didn&#39;t hear the movie fat cats complaining about job losses when their affiliated megaplexes opened up and forced the closure of the independants and smaller cinema chains :angry:
fugley
06-16-2003, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Tyke@16 June 2003 - 20:21
ABC...Cecil...etc..etc...

I didn&#39;t hear the movie fat cats complaining about job losses when their affiliated megaplexes opened up and forced the closure of the independants and smaller cinema chains :angry:
True but wouldnt a multipimplex employ more folks than a flea pit&#33;
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by fugley@16 June 2003 - 20:19

Even if they are annoying or not :D
Well done billy you have illustrated in an understandable way that this is not just a simple legal issue but a moral one also&#33; - indeedy deedy&#33; Please award you self a special billy bonus biscuit from the special billy bonus biscuit tin&#33; :D

enjoy&#33; [/quote]
hey thanks, thats that what i was trying to do, fug&#39;s &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :D

Them biscuit&#39;s are damn tasty, i can tell ya...... ;)

the moral&#39;s in all of us will come out one day.
fugley
06-16-2003, 08:31 PM
mmmmm - perhaps this post is more offensive than me thought................... :ph34r:
Tyke
06-16-2003, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by fugley@16 June 2003 - 20:23
True but wouldnt a multipimplex employ more folks than a flea pit&#33;
Not really, the old ones weren&#39;t all fleapits, they had an..erm...atmosphere :P

The multiplexes just mean that their friends at McDonalds etc have somewhere to push their cardboard non-food to a captive audience. So the amount of people that work in the cinema isn&#39;t equal to the people who work FOR the cinema.

Does a 12-screen cinema need more staff than 4 3-screen cinemas? If anything, it needs less.
fugley
06-16-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Tyke+16 June 2003 - 20:31--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tyke @ 16 June 2003 - 20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fugley@16 June 2003 - 20:23
True but wouldnt a multipimplex employ more folks than a flea pit&#33;
Not really, the old ones weren&#39;t all fleapits, they had an..erm...atmosphere :P

The multiplexes just mean that their friends at McDonalds etc have somewhere to push their cardboard non-food to a captive audience. So the amount of people that work in the cinema isn&#39;t equal to the people who work FOR the cinema.

Does a 12-screen cinema need more staff than 4 3-screen cinemas? If anything, it needs less. [/b][/quote]
yes but yoo needs extra capacitteee in the bogs department&#33; They don&#39;t cleeen em selves ya know&#33; So there probably at list more peeps emplued as shite scrubbers&#33; :blink:
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Tyke@16 June 2003 - 20:31

Does a 12-screen cinema need more staff than 4 3-screen cinemas? If anything, it needs less.
Perhaps large companys such as UGC, Warner Cinemas, IMAX, etc, are aware of this, and try to restrict their employment of people so as to increase their profits to the most possible.
Maybe, im not sure tho....
Tyke
06-16-2003, 08:37 PM
NO NO NO&#33;&#33;&#33;

They exist to invest in the future of our audio-visual entertainment&#33; They have no interest in profit whatsoever&#33; Honestly&#33;&#33;&#33;
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 08:41 PM
i think the shite scrubber thing is a good point.

There is an excess amount of excrement produced as a result of people going to the cinema.
Im sure this arises from people eating popcorn or various other snacks from the handy stands placed for your pleasure at the entrance.
Also there is the fact that around most cinemas there will be a restaurant of some sort.

So the shite scrubbers are needed, like it or not.

Keep em goin.
Buffalo
06-16-2003, 08:43 PM
Bottom line is.....These companies are there to make money, that&#39;s why we call them companies&#33;
If there was no money in it, they would not do it :(

That is the fear on the grape vine, that somewhere down the line people will stop going to the cinema and hireing dvd/vids therefore movies will make no money, therefore we will kill our own form of entertainment in the same way fishermen have killed their trade&#33;

Jonno B)
MetroStars
06-16-2003, 08:45 PM
Stealing has bin around from the dawn of time - it has just got more advanced now...


http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/misc/metroavatarplayers.jpg
Buffalo
06-16-2003, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by MetroStars@16 June 2003 - 20:45
Stealing has bin around from the dawn of time - it has just got more advanced now...


http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/misc/metroavatarplayers.jpg
That does&#39;nt make it right tho ;) :D

Jonno B)
fugley
06-16-2003, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 20:41
i think the shite scrubber thing is a good point.

There is an excess amount of excrement produced as a result of people going to the cinema.
Im sure this arises from people eating popcorn or various other snacks from the handy stands placed for your pleasure at the entrance.
Also there is the fact that around most cinemas there will be a restaurant of some sort.

So the shite scrubbers are needed, like it or not.

Keep em goin.
Think of other small business from unrelated industries such as retailers, road building, house building, property prices rise, oh and we&#39;ll need another school and some policemen, (well maybe not). OH my giddy aunt - the multipimplex just aint big enough any more&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; We need to build a humongousplexerama with quadruple the capacity. And ofcouse we must attract the punters - I know&#33; we could have a special hand type contraption with a feather attached to it wot tickles your bits while you watch the movie&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; etc etc
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 08:52 PM
I think several of these ideas should be submitted to the manifesto&#39;s of anti-globalisation political partys.

or to the fat pricks who run UGC, etc etc.....

but if theres ticklers wont it be classed as a "gentlemen&#39;s" cinema?
tite-wad
06-16-2003, 08:54 PM
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fugley
06-16-2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by tite-wad+16 June 2003 - 20:54--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tite-wad @ 16 June 2003 - 20:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fugley@16 June 2003 - 15:49
We need to build a humongousplexerama with quadruple the capacity.&nbsp; And ofcouse we must attract the punters - I know&#33; we could have a special hand type contraption with a feather attached to it wot tickles your bits while you watch the movie&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
Yes&#33; Yes&#33;

Combining the multiplex with the adult book store&#33;

Now you&#39;ve gone and put even more white-trash out of a job. :P [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s ok dont paneeeeek (that&#39;s english arsehole intellectual for "please do not concern yourself young man") There will be thousands of jobs created in the vicinity at (Tickle your balls with a feather robot hand. corp. inc.) :ph34r:
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by fugley@16 June 2003 - 21:00
Tickle your balls with a feather robot hand. corp. inc.) :ph34r:
Which particular company would they be inc orporated with then fugley?

the cinemas themselves?

KY-Jelly?

Perhaps the movie stars would fund them from some joint account upon which they all put ther ridiculous amounts of money.......


or maybe not
fugley
06-16-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats+16 June 2003 - 21:06--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (crazy_billy_bats &#064; 16 June 2003 - 21:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fugley@16 June 2003 - 21:00
Tickle your balls with a feather robot hand. corp. inc.) :ph34r:
Which particular company would they be inc orporated with then fugley?

the cinemas themselves?

KY-Jelly?

Perhaps the movie stars would fund them from some joint account upon which they all put ther ridiculous amounts of money.......


or maybe not [/b][/quote]
Dont know but I sure there is some entreperwotsits out there who know a good thing when I suggest it&#33;

Shit that&#39;s a thought&#33; how do I patent it?
Some_Geezer
06-16-2003, 09:11 PM
I do it because I&#39;ve never seen the point in paying for anything when you can get it for free. Simple as that.

Do I feel Guilty? No, its a dod eat dog world and theres plenty of people with bigger teeth than me, and out of 4,552,213 users online right now, I can&#39;t be the only person who feels this way...






But I&#39;m putting on my flame proof suite just in case..... :P

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evilbagpuss
06-16-2003, 09:12 PM
@CBB

Cinemas have been relatively unaffected by piracy. There is no difference in listening to a pirated music CD compared to one you&#39;ve bought, but there is a huge difference between watching a movie on a monitor and watching it on the big screen.

Unless you have a 50ft monitor of course&#33;
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 09:12 PM
There should be a local patent office.....

but it costs money.

and the idea may already have been lodged my someone.

After seeing it on here, perhaps.
Better get moving i suppose if you want the chance......


Then again, maybe it wont take off.....


We are all criminal morons anyway for downloading all our illegal "things".
Morally and legally.
fugley
06-16-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Some_Geezer@16 June 2003 - 21:11
I do it because I&#39;ve never seen the point in paying for anything when you can get it for free. Simple as that.

Do I feel Guilty? No, its a dod eat dog world and theres plenty of people with bigger teeth than me, and out of 4,552,213 users online right now, I can&#39;t be the only person who feels this way...






But I&#39;m putting on my flame proof suite just in case..... :P

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Not at all some geezer - you are to be commended for your honest dishonesty - I more intrigued by the boards righteous types&#33;
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by fugley@16 June 2003 - 21:13

I more intrigued by the boards righteous types&#33;
yeah me too....

altho his picture is quite odd......
Buffalo
06-16-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats+16 June 2003 - 21:06--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (crazy_billy_bats @ 16 June 2003 - 21:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fugley@16 June 2003 - 21:00
Tickle your balls with a feather robot hand. corp. inc.) :ph34r:
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Heh&#33; reminds me of that joke............

A guy go in a bar and says to the barmaid "tickle ya ass with a feather?"
Barmaid "What did you say :angry: "
Guy " perticulaly nasty weather :D "

A drunk chap see&#39;s this and thinks "I&#39;m gonna try that" .....so he goes up to the bar and says to the barmaid...."stick a feather up ya ass"
barmaid "WHAT&#33;"
Drunk guy "It&#39;s F*ckin raining outside" :lol: :lol:

Jonno B)
fugley
06-16-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US+16 June 2003 - 21:14--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CELEBS_ARE_US @ 16 June 2003 - 21:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 21:06
<!--QuoteBegin-fugley@16 June 2003 - 21:00
Tickle your balls with a feather robot hand. corp. inc.) :ph34r:

Heh&#33; reminds me of that joke............

A guy go in a bar and says to the barmaid "tickle ya ass with a feather?"
Barmaid "What did you say :angry: "
Guy " perticulaly nasty weather :D "

A drunk chap see&#39;s this and thinks "I&#39;m gonna try that" .....so he goes up to the bar and says to the barmaid...."stick a feather up ya ass"
barmaid "WHAT&#33;"
Drunk guy "It&#39;s F*ckin raining outside" :lol: :lol:

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
chuckle :D
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US@16 June 2003 - 21:14

Heh&#33; reminds me of that joke............

A guy go in a bar and says to the barmaid "tickle ya ass with a feather?"
Barmaid "What did you say :angry: "
Guy " perticulaly nasty weather :D "

A drunk chap see&#39;s this and thinks "I&#39;m gonna try that" .....so he goes up to the bar and says to the barmaid...."stick a feather up ya ass"
barmaid "WHAT&#33;"
Drunk guy "It&#39;s F*ckin raining outside" :lol: :lol:

Jonno B)
:lol: :lol:

If more people like you were hired as greeters, celebs, then more people would be attracted to the cinemas anyway.

More and more people are getting bigger TV&#39;s, nicer dvd players.....

its all downhill from here, get your cv&#39;s in celebs ;)
fugley
06-16-2003, 09:20 PM
Oh well mommy says I got to go to bedy bies&#33;......................................

BUT THE OLD UGLY BEARDED BITCH CAN F*CK HERSLEF&#33; COS I&#39;M THIRTY SEVEN AND I AINT F*CKING BUDGIN&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

oK mummy&#33;
Buffalo
06-16-2003, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 21:17
If more people like you were hired as greeters, celebs, then more people would be attracted to the cinemas anyway.

More and more people are getting bigger TV&#39;s, nicer dvd players.....

its all downhill from here, get your cv&#39;s in celebs ;)
True&#33; we have a 72" projection tv&#33; :D

And I already usher people into our mini cinema ;) :D

Then charge them £6.50 for a glass of coke and a bag of crisps :D :lol:

Jonno B)
tite-wad
06-16-2003, 09:25 PM
http://www.w3.org/Icons/blank.gif
fugley
06-16-2003, 09:26 PM
Shit - dagnabit&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
loz
06-16-2003, 09:27 PM
Most of the time the stuff I download I would not have bought even if I didn&#39;t have the Internet, hey you know what they might even get more money out of me cos I find something I really like & then go wow I want to pay £20 for this&#33;&#33;.... then again maybe not...
fugley
06-16-2003, 09:28 PM
:blink:
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by fugley@16 June 2003 - 21:20
Oh well mommy says I got to go to bedy bies&#33;......................................

BUT THE OLD UGLY BEARDED BITCH CAN F*CK HERSLEF&#33; COS I&#39;M THIRTY SEVEN AND I AINT F*CKING BUDGIN&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

oK mummy&#33;
:lol: :lol:

lmao

whilst eating copious amounts of haagen dazs, i hasten to add.
fugley
06-16-2003, 09:38 PM
Good night all............... I love you all so very much&#33;&#33; See you all very soon take care and god bless...........
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by fugley@16 June 2003 - 21:38
Good night all............... I love you all so very much&#33;&#33; See you all very soon take care and god bless...........
you too old chap


have a good one ;)


:D



:D :rolleyes:
namzuf9
06-16-2003, 09:46 PM
I always pay for movies that I want to see then I d/l em. I&#39;m not doing anyone out of any cash because I would&#39;nt pay to see a movie at the cinema twice (unless I really like it and then I&#39;d buy the retail DVD when it was released.)

Same with the music thing. If I d/l something and like it then I&#39;ll buy the cd. If I only like 1 or 2 tracks then I wont.

It does&#39;nt make it any less illegal but I dont care. Morally I know that what I&#39;m doing is not hurting the movie/music industry or any company associated with it.

Unless the ppl d/ling from me have a different way of doing things.....
TheDave
06-16-2003, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 21:38
whilst eating copious amounts of haagen dazs, i hasten to add.
you like that dont you? you ate it the other day :lol:
crazy_billy_bats
06-16-2003, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by TheDave+16 June 2003 - 21:46--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheDave &#064; 16 June 2003 - 21:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 21:38
whilst eating copious amounts of haagen dazs, i hasten to add.
you like that dont you? you ate it the other day :lol: [/b][/quote]
:lol:
ho yeah.....

full tub too.....this babys almost done.....

and watching kingpin too. :D

beat that with a huge picket sign stick
Tyke
06-16-2003, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by loz@16 June 2003 - 21:27
Most of the time the stuff I download I would not have bought even if I didn&#39;t have the Internet, hey you know what they might even get more money out of me cos I find something I really like & then go wow I want to pay £20 for this&#33;&#33;.... then again maybe not...
Loz does make a good point: As to buying the product after download, yeah, maybe not BUT :-

I too download movies and mp3s out of curiosity. Would I go out and buy, say, Legally Blonde? Not likely, but I have watched it, (look I was bored OK?&#33;) :D But no way would that movie have generated any revenue from me whatsoever. I didn&#39;t go to the pictures to see it, I wasn&#39;t going to rent it, even on VHS. So looking at it that way, there was no lost revenue whatsoever from my download.

Since P2P has grown, so has my interest in movies. I watch more now than I ever did, because they are there. Take the free movies away from me, it won&#39;t mean I go out buying DVDs like there&#39;s no tomorrow&#33; I&#39;ll just do what I still do, watch only the better films at the cinema, difference is I&#39;ll go back to ignoring the middle-of-the-road stuff.

If I really can&#39;t get hold of a movie I want, I&#39;ll do as always used to - I buy it (amazon marketplace or ebay, 2nd hand). The film industry has had no more and no less from me because of P2P.

As for music, hey, who remembers bow wow wow? C30,C60,C90 go? It&#39;s still a recording media&#33; And there&#39;s still the record library&#33; So no, the music industry hasn&#39;t lost my money either&#33; If it&#39;s a small independant (this means not part of some EMI conglomorate) label, THEN I&#39;ll buy it, mostly because it&#39;s cheaper anyway, but yes, they do deserve my money.