Hatton v Mayweather

[Sextent]

December 8th

My money goes on Hatton to really make a big name for himself in Merca. Then it's surely money hand over fist.

[brotherdoobie]

"There was more action in those four rounds than in the whole of Mayweather’s career.”

- Ricky Hatton (after stopping Castillo in the fourth round of their fight)

:glag:

A fair point. However, he will succumb to Floyd's quickness and superior defense.
It should be a quality fight.


-bd

[Proper Bo]

However, he will succumb to Floyd's quickness and superior defense.

Disagree.


It should be a quality fight.


-bd



Agree.

[fstrulz]

I'm going with the bigger and more experienced (more bigger fights) - Mayweather... But if he will fight like the way he fought De La Hoya, Hattan will give him his first loss ever.

[Proper Bo]

Aren't you the same chap who said hatton didn't stand a chance in his last fight?

[Sextent]

And that Brotherdoobie should be banned for being a cunt.

[fstrulz]

Aren't you the same chap who said hatton didn't stand a chance in his last fight?

Yes... But Hatton got all my respects now that he's beaten a great fighter like Castillo.

[Sextent]

How big of you.

[fstrulz]

I heard that De La Hoya wants to fight Hatton too in 2008...

And so is Miguel Cotto...

[Sextent]

Why would Hatton fight losers.

Other than for shitloads of money.

[Proper Bo]

Aren't you the same chap who said hatton didn't stand a chance in his last fight?

Yes... But Hatton got all my respects now that he's beaten a great fighter like Castillo.



Yeah, all the titles he won and the fact that he's undefeated meant nowt until he beat castillo, like.

[Sextent]

I agree with the lad with the unfeasibly small penis.

[Proper Bo]

lynx?

[fstrulz]

I'd really like to see Hatton beat De La Hoya and Cotto... He's only 28 and I think he can do it... Still not sure if he can beat Mayweather though...

[Sextent]

There's no way he's fighting too top boxers at the same time.

He's good and everything but that would be professional suicide.

[Proper Bo]

They should throw some deck chairs and pasting tables into the ring, wrasslin' style.

[Sextent]

Yeah, fuck sake fantasistrulz, stop it with the mad talk.

[fstrulz]

Hatton vs
Mayweather - 12/07
De La Hoya - 6/08
Cotto - 12/08

If Hatton beats at least 2 out of the 3, then he can happily retire. :D

[Sextent]

He can happily retire just now if he wants. A World champion, unbeaten in 42 fights.

Why should he tho' he's the best pound for pound fighter in the World.

[Proper Bo]

I thought it was 43:unsure:

[Proper Bo]

won 43 (KO 31)

[fstrulz]

Because the only great fighters that Hatton has beaten so far are Tszyu and Castillo... I think he has to beat 3 more other great fighters to be one of the greatest of all time.

And IMO, the best pound-for-pound fighters right now are Pacquiao and Mayweather.

[brotherdoobie]

And that Brotherdoobie should be banned for being a cunt.


I believe retard was the word he used. (something about half
the retards here would be gone - if they banned me.)

Should I issue a boxing challenge? :idunno:
He looks fierce in his avatar pic.

At least nimble on his feet.


-bd

[Proper Bo]

Indeed, I've said before that the chap looks light on his toes, like.

[Sextent]

Because the only great fighters that Hatton has beaten so far are Tszyu and Castillo... I think he has to beat 3 more other great fighters to be one of the greatest of all time.

And IMO, the best pound-for-pound fighters right now are Pacquiao and Mayweather.



Mayweather was retired, how the fuck could he have been the best pound for pound fighter in the World if he wasn't doing it any more.

No-one said Hatton was one of the greatest fighters of all time. He's just the best one currently fighting. It'll take a lot for him to be one of the best fighters ever, it may never happen because that depends who else is about at the time.

Beating chaps coming out of retirement to fight him won't do that.

[fstrulz]

:lol: I'd love to have a nice sparring session... Too bad we're online. :dabs:

[Sextent]

Have you boxed like.

[fstrulz]

Mayweather was retired, how the fuck could he have been the best pound for pound fighter in the World if he wasn't doing it any more.

No-one said Hatton was one of the greatest fighters of all time. He's just the best one currently fighting. It'll take a lot for him to be one of the best fighters ever, it may never happen because that depends who else is about at the time.

Beating chaps coming out of retirement to fight him won't do that.

Good point... I just think Hatton has the potential to be one of the greatest since he has proven that he is that good + he's still young.

OK, forget about those retirees... Miguel Cotto is Ricky Hatton's biggest challenge out there and I'd love to see Hatton kick his Puerto Rican @$$.

P.S. I've been sparring since I was 16. No amateur/pro boxing experience though.

[brotherdoobie]

:lol: I'd love to have a nice sparring session... Too bad we're online. :dabs:




Actually, it's very fortunate for you.
Pussy.



-bd :yup:

[Sextent]

I agree he is a good enough boxer and young enough to be an all time great. However whether there will be enough other top class boxers about for him to prove he is one is another story.

I think you need situations like Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns for that. Or Ali, Frazier, Forman. You know what I'm talking about. We all know eras where there were 3 or 4 really top boxers, of the same weight, at the same time. That's what makes all time greats.

[brotherdoobie]

I agree he is a good enough boxer and young enough to be an all time great. However whether there will be enough other top class boxers about for him to prove he is one is another story.

I think you need situations like Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns for that. Or Ali, Frazier, Forman. You know what I'm talking about. We all know eras where there were 3 or 4 really top boxers, of the same weight, at the same time. That's what makes all time greats.

Indeed. In fact Tyson would of been looked on more kindly -
by history, if he would of faced stiffer competition.

Man, those Hagler Hearns fights were awesome.



-bd

[Sextent]

I agree he is a good enough boxer and young enough to be an all time great. However whether there will be enough other top class boxers about for him to prove he is one is another story.

I think you need situations like Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns for that. Or Ali, Frazier, Forman. You know what I'm talking about. We all know eras where there were 3 or 4 really top boxers, of the same weight, at the same time. That's what makes all time greats.

Indeed. In fact Tyson would of been looked on more kindly -
by history, if he would of faced stiffer competition.

Man, those Hagler Hearns fights were awesome.



-bd

Not being a rapist would probably have been a decent choice for Tyson as well.

And also Leonard was much better than either Hagler or Hearns.

He was my favourite boxer ever as it happens.

[brotherdoobie]

Indeed. In fact Tyson would of been looked on more kindly -
by history, if he would of faced stiffer competition.

Man, those Hagler Hearns fights were awesome.



-bd

Not being a rapist would probably have been a decent choice for Tyson as well.

And also Leonard was much better than either Hagler or Hearns.

He was my favourite boxer ever as it happens.

I agree with Sugar Ray being the better fighter. However those Hagler vs Hearns fights were feckin brutal.

Roy Jones Jr turned out to be some what of a disappointment.
I had high hopes for him. (lighting fast)

Ali was me favorite.


-bd

[Sextent]

I never rated Ali as "The Greatest".

He was the best heavyweight of his time, I'll agree with that but not the best boxer ever.

For me that was Leonard.

[brotherdoobie]

As a "pure" boxer I'll agree. I respect Ali for his political stance, at the height of his
boxing prowless. It took balls to be a black man in the 60's to stand up; like he did.


-bd

[Sextent]

Agreed, Ali was a much more important historical figure then Leonard was, by miles.

Particularly given the treatment of and attitudes towards black Americans at that time.

He changed the World more than Ray Leonard ever did or indeed could and it is a reasonable argument to suggest that Leonard could not have achieved what he achieved without Ali breaking the ground he did.

However from a purely boxing point of view, in my opinion, Leonard was the greatest.

[brotherdoobie]

Agreed, Ali was a much more important historical figure then Leonard was, by miles.

Particularly given the treatment of and attitudes towards black Americans at that time.

He changed the World more than Ray Leonard ever did or indeed could and it is a reasonable argument to suggest that Leonard could not have achieved what he achieved without Ali breaking the ground he did.

However from a purely boxing point of view, in my opinion, Leonard was the greatest.

He was lightning fast too! With a big feckin heart.

-bd

[Sextent]

And cute as a button.

[brotherdoobie]

And cute as a button.


:glag:


He was adorable. Anyhoo, I'll bet it didn't take too many punches - to figure out he wasn't just another pretty boy.


:noes:


-bd

[Busyman™]

Indeed. In fact Tyson would of been looked on more kindly -
by history, if he would of faced stiffer competition.

Man, those Hagler Hearns fights were awesome.



-bd

Haglar only fought Hearns once.:dabs:

Tyson would be looked on more kindly by history if he didn't falter so badly at the end. He demolished some pretty good boxers.

He was just much better than them. You should see his older fights. He was fucking brilliant.

[Busyman™]

Yes... But Hatton got all my respects now that he's beaten a great fighter like Castillo.



Yeah, all the titles he won and the fact that he's undefeated meant nowt until he beat castillo, like.

No one really saw him over here and he didn't fight boxers we knew so yeah it meant nowt.

I mean before Kostya, he probably fought in America 4 or 5 times with all the rest in the UK.

There's another fighter, Winky Wright, that no one really paid attention to until kinda recently. He fought many of his fight overseas as well. Unlike Ricky though, he fought in many different countries.

Over here is where the money is. I think Winky couldn't get fights over here so he fought elsewhere.

I like that Ricky is yet another great fighter thrown into mix for my entertainment. I think the UKans look at it as some hometown boy and I think it's great that you have someone to cheer for in the boxing arena.

For many Americans, we cheer for whoever's good and just wanna see good fights. Probably if our country was smaller and hadn't really had any good boxers from here, I wonder if I'd feel like you guys. I don't really identify.:idunno:

I think Ricky will beat Mayweather. Mayweather does too much rope-a-dope and don't think Ricky will stand for it.

Ricky has way too much energy for Mayweather.

On the flipside, Ricky had noticeable trouble with Collazo and Mayweather is a much better fighter than Collazo.

Mayweather bored me to tears in the De La Hoya fight. It helped that watched that fight in Mehico, for really.:mellow:

[fstrulz]

Mayweather's last great fights was 2 years ago when he beat Gatti on 6/05, then Mitchell on 11/05 - both by TKO... After those fights, he's not the same fighter anymore... So I'm gonna have to give him a good luck with Hatton.


Off topic... Did any of you happen to see the Donaire vs. Darchinyan fight a couple of weeks ago?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=48IDY61whtY

Great fight and nice KO. :rolleyes:

[Chip Monk]

I think the UKans look at it as some hometown boy and I think it's great that you have someone to cheer for in the boxing arena.



It's fab, if only we had Calzaghe, Macaranelli (sp), Khan, Arthur ... as well we'd be really happy. You probly haven't heard of them either tho'.

[Chip Monk]

Mayweather's last great fights was 2 years ago when he beat Gatti on 6/05, then Mitchell on 11/05 - both by TKO... After those fights, he's not the same fighter anymore...


So what makes you think he's going to win. Hatton is a superb fighter, pretty much in his prime.

[brotherdoobie]

Indeed. In fact Tyson would of been looked on more kindly -
by history, if he would of faced stiffer competition.

Man, those Hagler Hearns fights were awesome.



-bd

Haglar only fought Hearns once.:dabs:

Tyson would be looked on more kindly by history if he didn't falter so badly at the end. He demolished some pretty good boxers.

He was just much better than them. You should see his older fights. He was fucking brilliant.

I thought they had fought twice. (I even googled it...I was so sure) Oh well.

Anyhoo, I've watched every one of Tyson's fights...numerous times. He was a beast.

Yes, he fought some decent fighters. However he also fought alot of stiffs.

Larry Holmes was another beast. His left hook was deadly.


-bd

[birney29]

I think it will be a mistake on mayweathers behalf because ppl have so much respect for him and hatton will beat him hatton actually trains in a gym round the corner from me :D like khan but use might not no khan he is also a great fighter nearly got knocked out in his last fight but come out the next round like a psycho and won the fight i agree with the tyson comment he was a beast he never had his mind straight though bit loopy.

[Busyman™]

I think the UKans look at it as some hometown boy and I think it's great that you have someone to cheer for in the boxing arena.



It's fab, if only we had Calzaghe, Macaranelli (sp), Khan, Arthur ... as well we'd be really happy. You probly haven't heard of them either tho'.

Calzaghe yes but I hadn't heard of him 'till Jeff Lacy.

The others? Neva hoid uv 'em.

I wouldn't be surprised if every one of them fought their entire careers in the UK. Hell I wouldn't be surpised if Calzaghe did too.

This would be more surprising if those fighters have great records but then again, maybe not.

I know Hatton has had a handful of fights outside of the hometown.

[Busyman™]

Haglar only fought Hearns once.:dabs:

Tyson would be looked on more kindly by history if he didn't falter so badly at the end. He demolished some pretty good boxers.

He was just much better than them. You should see his older fights. He was fucking brilliant.

I thought they had fought twice. (I even googled it...I was so sure) Oh well.

Anyhoo, I've watched every one of Tyson's fights...numerous times. He was a beast.

Yes, he fought some decent fighters. However he also fought alot of stiffs.

Larry Holmes was another beast. His left hook was deadly.


-bd

I thought you said you remembered all of their fights.(Haglar/Hearns).:dabs:

I only remember (from tape) that 3 round thriller.

Do you have all of Tyson's fights? I would love to get them. I don't know anyone who has seen all of them. Is there a DVD somewhere?

Tyson, like many other great fighters, fought many stiffs.

[Busyman™]

Haglar/Hearns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuYclaefqPQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsMgR0bg4Q8

[brotherdoobie]

In all fairness. Tyson was a great defender, had excellent hand speed, timing -
and power.

Men in his day were terrified of his power. His body shots were sick!

However, he was also fucking mental, a rapist, and a generally greedy
ungracious twit.


-bd

[Busyman™]

In all fairness. Tyson was a great defender, had excellent hand speed, timing -
and power.

Men in his day were terrified of his power. His body shots were sick!

However, he was also fucking mental, a rapist, and a generally greedy
ungracious twit.


-bd

Like I said, he faltered at the end.

I think how he fought was the reason he was given so many concession at the end. We all wanted to see the fighter of old.

I remember when I was in Vegas at Sam's Town casino (off The Strip) watching D.L. Hughely do stand-up. Tyson was directly in front of us in the reserved seats. The lady he was sitting with was constantly telling Mike to stop touching her. He kept playing around and putting his hands around her and she kept moving them off.

I think the lady that he was convicted of raping went up there for sex but Mike got too rough with her and she wanted to stop. Either way it's rape.

No one will ever forget him biting a piece of Holyfield's ear off.

[Fromagepas]

I wouldn't be surprised if every one of them fought their entire careers in the UK. Hell I wouldn't be surpised if Calzaghe did too.

This would be more surprising if those fighters have great records but then again, maybe not.


They do have great records and what's the difference if they have all of their fights in the UK. It's who they beat which is the important issue.

[fstrulz]

I wouldn't be surprised if every one of them fought their entire careers in the UK. Hell I wouldn't be surpised if Calzaghe did too.

This would be more surprising if those fighters have great records but then again, maybe not.


They do have great records and what's the difference if they have all of their fights in the UK. It's who they beat which is the important issue.


Most great fighters in boxing are from the U.S. and Latin America... And in the boxing world - any boxer who hasn't fought and beaten 2 or more great fighters really hasn't beaten anybody.

[Proper Bo]

So having numerous titles and being undefeated means nowt unless they're american?

[fstrulz]

So having numerous titles and being undefeated means nowt unless they're american?

...unless they've beaten other great fighters. :)

Hatton has proven that he is a great fighter... Calzaghe still has to prove that he is...

[Proper Bo]

Calzaghe beat Chris Eubank ffs!

[Alien5]

why do most boxing matches take place in Las Vegas, Nevada?

[Busyman™]

I wouldn't be surprised if every one of them fought their entire careers in the UK. Hell I wouldn't be surpised if Calzaghe did too.

This would be more surprising if those fighters have great records but then again, maybe not.


They do have great records and what's the difference if they have all of their fights in the UK. It's who they beat which is the important issue.

Right but I hear all this stuff about respect and whatnot yet until recently they hadn't fought anyone of note and then to further add to that, fought folk almost exclusively in the UK which is smaller than the state of Idaho.

This doesn't say anything about fighting ability. It says something market and exposure.

Either way, the Mayweather/Hatton fight will be great matchup. Thinking back, Mayweather has had plenty of fighters go after him and he came out on top. I actually think and hope he loses.

[Busyman™]

why do most boxing matches take place in Las Vegas, Nevada?

Glitz, glamour, gambling

Anymore questions?

Probably the second choice is Atlantic City.

[Busyman™]

So having numerous titles and being undefeated means nowt unless they're american?

UK = small market

[Alien5]

U.S= small brain :lol:

[Busyman™]

U.S= small brain :lol:

Alien5 = bitch

[fstrulz]

Brazil = Big @$$e$

[Fromagepas]

They do have great records and what's the difference if they have all of their fights in the UK. It's who they beat which is the important issue.

Right but I hear all this stuff about respect and whatnot yet until recently they hadn't fought anyone of note

By that I'm assuming you mean anyone you know. Boxing does take place outside of the US, good quality boxing. We are more familiar with it than you because it's not shown very much over there. In all honesty unless someone subscribes to Sky or cable they will see very little US boxing in the UK so loads of people in the UK and Europe are unfamiliar with your chaps as well.

The same goes for South Americans, we don't see as much of it as you we do of British Boxing.

I bet you didn't hear of Naseem Hamed until he started fighting Americans.

The bottom line is that guys like Hatton don't just get to be good boxers and come to the US, how do you think they became good in the first place. Not by fighting rubbish, by gradually moving up in class. The same way as your top men.

Same with Calzaghe and anyone else, including Americans who get to the top. Except Ray Leonard, but he was the Golden Boy Olympian.

Like Amer Khan, who unfortunately only got silver, tho' to be fair he was about 7 at the time.

[Busyman™]

Right but I hear all this stuff about respect and whatnot yet until recently they hadn't fought anyone of note

By that I'm assuming you mean anyone you know. Boxing does take place outside of the US, good quality boxing. We are more familiar with it than you because it's not shown very much over there. In all honesty unless someone subscribes to Sky or cable they will see very little US boxing in the UK so loads of people in the UK and Europe are unfamiliar with your chaps as well.

The same goes for South Americans, we don't see as much of it as you we do of British Boxing.

I bet you didn't hear of Naseem Hamed until he started fighting Americans.

The bottom line is that guys like Hatton don't just get to be good boxers and come to the US, how do you think they became good in the first place. Not by fighting rubbish, by gradually moving up in class. The same way as your top men.

Same with Calzaghe and anyone else, including Americans who get to the top. Except Ray Leonard, but he was the Golden Boy Olympian.

Like Amer Khan, who unfortunately only got silver, tho' to be fair he was about 7 at the time.

Dude, you just said what I did but nitpicked the piece of quote you wanted.

I'd add that because we have the bigger market that we attract the best boxers over here. This is not foreign to any sport.

Soccer is a gulag over here but better overseas.

Basketball is better here than overseas.

[Proper Bo]

I think you missed his point of where the boxer fights is irrelevant to how good a fighter he is.

[Proper Bo]

Look up Amir Khan btw, if he keeps going the way he is then he'll probably be known in 'merka within a couple of years.

[Busyman™]

I think you missed his point of where the boxer fights is irrelevant to how good a fighter he is.

Post 58
Second sentence

Post 41
First sentence

Read for yerself, bandwagon boy.

[Proper Bo]

They do tend to fight mostly in the UK, yeah, I still don't see how that's relevant to their ability tho', point avoidance boy.

[Busyman™]

They do tend to fight mostly in the UK, yeah, I still don't see how that's relevant to their ability tho', point avoidance boy.

No Reading Comprehension Boy, read it again.

The point was made ages ago.

[Proper Bo]

Ah, so you did. I didn't notice that line, Random Capital Letter Boy.
:schnauz:

[Busyman™]

Ah, so you did. I didn't notice that line, Random Capital Letter Boy.
:schnauz:

It was only pointed out to you twice, Missed The Point On Multiple Occasions No Reading Comprehension.....Boy.

Next time I'll either quote it, post a link to it, have a large ass oval around it, highlight it in Re-Animator colored polka dots, post a smiley next to it that points to it saying, "Looky Here 'Toopid!", or all of the above.

[Proper Bo]

Indeed, next time I may even bother to read your posts properly.

[Busyman™]

Indeed, next time I may even bother to read your posts properly.

Glad I could 'elp 'owt, 'tard.

[Sextent]

Dude, you just said what I did but nitpicked the piece of quote you wanted.



To answer a specific point isn't "nit-picking". It's answering a specific point.

Hatton didn't become a good fighter when he fought an American. He spent years becoming a good fighter before that. He dedicated his life to it and worked really hard to become a good fighter.

The people he fought to become a good fighter did the same, tho' perhaps not reaching the same heights.

The same goes for American boxers, they work their way through the ranks, gradually becoming better and better until they get to the top of their profession. A tiny minority of them.

The disrespect comes when people say "who has he fought". The answer being "decent fighters who you just happen not to have heard of".

Hatton, Calzaghe etc have no more need to prove themselves than some American fighter who has worked his way up thro' the ranks fighting other American fighters. They are unbeaten World Champions. It's up to someone else to prove they aren't up to it.

That's kind of the point of being unbeaten as a World champion. No-one has had the bottle, or ability, or work ethic to step into the ring with you and take your title.

Ali didn't do it. Haggler didn't do it. Hearns didn't do it. Frazier didn't do it. De La Hoya didn't do it. Tyson didn't do it. Leonard didn't do it. Duran didn't do it. The list goes on and on.

So far Hatton has done it. He has beaten everyone put in front of him. That doesn't make him one of the all time great fighters. Just someone who no-one else has been able to beat, at different weights.

Joe Calzaghe is the same. Just someone who no-one else put in front of him has been able to beat.

That's the disrespect issue.

Q - Who have you beaten?

A - So far, everybody.

[T3RR0R]

MayWeather ftw :w00t:

[Busyman™]

Dude, you just said what I did but nitpicked the piece of quote you wanted.



To answer a specific point isn't "nit-picking". It's answering a specific point.

Hatton didn't become a good fighter when he fought an American. He spent years becoming a good fighter before that. He dedicated his life to it and worked really hard to become a good fighter.

The people he fought to become a good fighter did the same, tho' perhaps not reaching the same heights.

The same goes for American boxers, they work their way through the ranks, gradually becoming better and better until they get to the top of their profession. A tiny minority of them.

The disrespect comes when people say "who has he fought". The answer being "decent fighters who you just happen not to have heard of".

Hatton, Calzaghe etc have no more need to prove themselves than some American fighter who has worked his way up thro' the ranks fighting other American fighters. They are unbeaten World Champions. It's up to someone else to prove they aren't up to it.

That's kind of the point of being unbeaten as a World champion. No-one has had the bottle, or ability, or work ethic to step into the ring with you and take your title.

Ali didn't do it. Haggler didn't do it. Hearns didn't do it. Frazier didn't do it. De La Hoya didn't do it. Tyson didn't do it. Leonard didn't do it. Duran didn't do it. The list goes on and on.

So far Hatton has done it. He has beaten everyone put in front of him. That doesn't make him one of the all time great fighters. Just someone who no-one else has been able to beat, at different weights.

Joe Calzaghe is the same. Just someone who no-one else put in front of him has been able to beat.

That's the disrespect issue.

Q - Who have you beaten?

A - So far, everybody.

Ahhh yeah, it's nitpicking cuz you ignored the next sentence. Taking a tidbit of a post while disregarding the rest that clearly answers a point you posed after the fact is mental.

There is no disrespect in "who has he fought" cuz we don't know. It's a valid question. As a matter fact, this doesn't just go to your hometown boy. The same question was posed about Roy Jones Jr.

It just happened that everyone he fought (until the obvious) weren't that good.

We say "who's he fought" because either we don't know the fighters he's fought (thus knowing the level of competition he's gone up against).

or

we know the fighters he's fought and know they sucked to begin with. In this case we know them but are speaking rhetorically.

Thus undefeated in joeblowbumblefuck country means a little less than the undefeated I know in my own.

For instance, an undefeated brat basketball team would mean shit in the scheme of things.

Disrespect? I don't really give a fuck, tbh.

I jus' wanna see good fights.

[Chip Monk]

"Who has he fought" is an entirely different thing to say than "He's fought nobody". Particularly when, as you say you have no knowledge of the people he has fought. The former can be an acceptable and reasonable question. The latter, given the circumstances is untennable. You cannot justify the position that you know nothing about his previous competition and at the same time say that they weren't any good.

What does


Thus undefeated in joeblowbumblefuck country means a little less than the undefeated I know in my own.

For instance, an undefeated brat basketball team would mean shit in the scheme of things.


mean, btw.

[Alien5]

To answer a specific point isn't "nit-picking". It's answering a specific point.

Hatton didn't become a good fighter when he fought an American. He spent years becoming a good fighter before that. He dedicated his life to it and worked really hard to become a good fighter.

The people he fought to become a good fighter did the same, tho' perhaps not reaching the same heights.

The same goes for American boxers, they work their way through the ranks, gradually becoming better and better until they get to the top of their profession. A tiny minority of them.

The disrespect comes when people say "who has he fought". The answer being "decent fighters who you just happen not to have heard of".

Hatton, Calzaghe etc have no more need to prove themselves than some American fighter who has worked his way up thro' the ranks fighting other American fighters. They are unbeaten World Champions. It's up to someone else to prove they aren't up to it.

That's kind of the point of being unbeaten as a World champion. No-one has had the bottle, or ability, or work ethic to step into the ring with you and take your title.

Ali didn't do it. Haggler didn't do it. Hearns didn't do it. Frazier didn't do it. De La Hoya didn't do it. Tyson didn't do it. Leonard didn't do it. Duran didn't do it. The list goes on and on.

So far Hatton has done it. He has beaten everyone put in front of him. That doesn't make him one of the all time great fighters. Just someone who no-one else has been able to beat, at different weights.

Joe Calzaghe is the same. Just someone who no-one else put in front of him has been able to beat.

That's the disrespect issue.

Q - Who have you beaten?

A - So far, everybody.

Ahhh yeah, it's nitpicking cuz you ignored the next sentence. Taking a tidbit of a post while disregarding the rest that clearly answers a point you posed after the fact is mental.

There is no disrespect in "who has he fought" cuz we don't know. It's a valid question. As a matter fact, this doesn't just go to your hometown boy. The same question was posed about Roy Jones Jr.

It just happened that everyone he fought (until the obvious) weren't that good.

We say "who's he fought" because either we don't know the fighters he's fought (thus knowing the level of competition he's gone up against).

or

we know the fighters he's fought and know they sucked to begin with. In this case we know them but are speaking rhetorically.

Thus undefeated in joeblowbumblefuck country means a little less than the undefeated I know in my own.

For instance, an undefeated brat basketball team would mean shit in the scheme of things.

Disrespect? I don't really give a fuck, tbh.

I jus' wanna see good fights.

agreed :yes:

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"Who has he fought" is an entirely different thing to say than "He's fought nobody". Particularly when, as you say you have no knowledge of the people he has fought. The former can be an acceptable and reasonable question. The latter, given the circumstances is untennable. You cannot justify the position that you know nothing about his previous competition and at the same time say that they weren't any good.

What does


Thus undefeated in joeblowbumblefuck country means a little less than the undefeated I know in my own.

For instance, an undefeated brat basketball team would mean shit in the scheme of things.


mean, btw.

So now "who has he fought" is okay and we've moved on to "he's fought nobody"?:ermm:

Now you are arguing semantics. You also are just repeating what I've already said then saying I cannot justify my position when I said OR not AND.

To your last, I know next to jackshit about joeblowbumblefuck country. In some cases I do. I know Mexico tend to turn out some nice boxers.

Basketball doesn't have a great market in bratland like over here so there'd probably be less comp there for it.

I know that fighters in other countries tend to fight more often.
I also know that over here, because market conditions, we tend to draw the plethora of great boxers from the world.

The money is just too attractive. Now with globalization of PPV this won't matter.