Seedboxes over Usenet?

[start]

I don't quite understand why people are willing to spend $100/month or more on seed boxes when you can use Usenet for low as $14/month. I understand the torrents have better release times...At what costs though? I would think Usenet would be more appealing…No ratio system or your IP displayed to the public.

[KFlint]

well, i agree 100$ a month is big for a seedbox, and i wouldn't pay that much anymore

but if you want to buffer all your BT accounts nicely, you only need like 2 months at this cost and that's it, you can leech for a year or two.

on usenet, you will pay every month to have access to content, which isn't the case of BT trackers

i feel more safe using BT than usenet also, now one can tracks everything i leech with it (a bad luck can occur on some unsafe trackers where MPAA gets my IP i know...!)
But the usenet provider knows exactly what you leeched over the past months and i don't like this perspective at all

hope this helps ;)

[stoi]

Off topic: thats why global ratio only doesnt work imo, get a buffer then free leech for ages after that.

On Topic: its all about pre times and looking good, and getting into the scene so to speak.

you have a sb, another ul sees you uploading at 12mbs on one of his torrents to help him out, he then pms you and invites you to a topsite with FTP Axx (very rarely happens but it could).

its not what you know its who you know to get anywhere at all in the game.

also NG can be realy slow on new releases. usually 3-6 hours after pre, or even days in some cases.

[start]

Majority of the Usenet providers claim they only track how much bandwidth you've used. Secondly, people can't wait 3 hours for a release?! I mean $100 to save 3 hours...It just seems odd to me. That's an interesting point stoi. I can see BT being an ego thing for people - "I have access to such & such site. I upload x50 more than I download, I have access to torrents before anyone else."

[KFlint]

Off topic: thats why global ratio only doesnt work imo, get a buffer then free leech for ages after that.


when i mean leech, i don't mean hit and run, don't get wrong

i just mean that you don't have to worry getting a ratio of 100% as long as you share it long enough on your home connection, which most of the time as an upload speed slow as hell which often doesn't even allow you to seed back to 100% on many trackers (SCT and bitmetv for example)

i'd rather pay for a seedbox for a couple of months than buying upload credits from these sites, which is a concept i don't like

[stoi]

well at blackcats we are trying to change that.

its going slowly but we will get there in the end.

We also took off upload credits for donations as well, granted we did have them and it kept us in business for awhile, but i always felt it was wrong.

they may come back, but only on special occasions, like xmas or something.

not sure if your a member of blackcats or not, if yes you will know all this, if not you probably couldnt give a damn lol

[Skiz]

KFlint, you seem to be a knowledgeable fellow when it comes to seed boxes and bittorrent, but you're biting off more than you can chew here.

start, first off, if you want bit of an unbiased view, post this in the File Sharing section and not the Bittorrent section. 99.9% of browsers in this section have never even used newsgroups in any shape, so their opinions are speculative.

Heck, post it in the newsgroups section even. At least those users have experimented with both.


"but if you want to buffer all your BT accounts nicely, you only need like 2 months at this cost and that's it, you can leech for a year or two. on usenet, you will pay every month to have access to content, which isn't the case of BT trackers"

Not true at all.

Many ISP's (http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm) (including mine) offer a news service free of charge. Others still offer free of charge and actually outsource the servers to a third party group such as Newshosting.

As for buffering accounts with private trackers, you still seem to be missing the some of the greatness of newsgroups. Why pay to buffer an account when you can have access to the same content for free (possibly) and never even need to do any of that uploading? Silly, really.


i feel more safe using BT than usenet also, now one can tracks everything i leech with it (a bad luck can occur on some unsafe trackers where MPAA gets my IP i know...!)
But the usenet provider knows exactly what you leeched over the past months and i don't like this perspective at all

Again, untrue.

If you feel safer utilizing bittorrent methods, you really need to do some reading.

It's rather simple to see what IP's are connecting though any bittorrent client. Even when masking that IP, that only covers what information is seen, not what information is accessible. When you're downloading from another user, your IP address is very easy to obtain.

You also cannot be caught downloading as providers don't retain records of what you're downloading. It's above and beyond bittorrent in terms of safety. Fact.

Newsgroups is by far the superior option between the two. Using AltBinz and Newzbin I have 100+ days of content to download* and 200+ days with Giganews, all at max speeds which downloads, fixes, and extracts itself.


* As an example, Newzbin provides approximately 120,000+ posts of content** whilst the average on my private trackers is maybe about 10,000.

** That's new and old content. At max speed. All the time. With no need to upload.

There's no contest really.




also NG can be realy slow on new releases. usually 3-6 hours after pre, or even days in some cases.

3-6 hours. :wank:

Uploads also beat private trackers at times as well.

[KFlint]

well skizo, i clearly see that you prefer using newsgroups and i admit that i don't have much knowledge about newsgroups

my ISP, as well as many ISP i'm sure, doesn't have binairies content on his newsgroups service. which would force me to pay each and every month to get access to content, which is pretty much the same as paying for FTP axx, but way cheaper i admit

as for the security, i'm referring to some articles that i read recently when i decided i could give newsgroups a try for a month or two to see if i like it. the sources might have been wrong, but i was worried of using newsgroups. Usenet providers say they don't keep history of any activity you did, then fine if it's true... but how can i be 100% sure it is?

only my opinion here, i'm not god almighty ;)


well at blackcats we are trying to change that.

its going slowly but we will get there in the end.

We also took off upload credits for donations as well, granted we did have them and it kept us in business for awhile, but i always felt it was wrong.

they may come back, but only on special occasions, like xmas or something.

not sure if your a member of blackcats or not, if yes you will know all this, if not you probably couldnt give a damn lol

i'm a member of blackcats, my first tracker membership was there, great site to get older release stuff which you can't just find them anywhere else most of the time

i'm glad you remove the credits for donations thingy also, it's safer for everybody i believe

i've donated in the past to BC and i never wanted anything in return ;)

[stoi]

depends what your after for pre times.

Ive been using newsgroups for years, just after i started torrenting, now my tracker is only for games, so thats all i specialize in, im not realy bothered about pre times for anything else, i will grab them when i want to grab them.

when i first started the tracker, i used to get games up on suprnova 1st and that was from NG.

Now though with a few of our members having seedboxes (i have 3 for the tracker, but i would never use them to seed, far to risky imo) and FTP axx its very rarely anyone can beat them, so much so ive actually gave up on the hunt for new, fast games, and i just dl them from NG when feel like it.

but most new games are on our tracker a good 1-2 hours, if not a lot more, than NG, and yes i have giganews so its not just a crappy ISP NG i have.

Music/Movies/TV/Apps/etc etc might be a lot different though.

[Daniel]

From a legal point of view, using BT (and seedboxes for that matter) present a higher risk than downloading from the Usenet. It's not about BT-trackers that aren't secure/infiltrated but rather about your own actions: by being member at any tracker you'll participate with sharing, by using a newsgroup-client you only download what's available.

One giant advantage of newsgroups is the certainty of availability and speed. You can download any release from now to 3+ months (Giganews 6+) from now with your maximum speed. That's a service bittorrent trackers cannot compete with. Usenet providers had shorter retention times in the past years but with the current upgrades you can have full access to an archive of over half a year of scene and non-scene releases.

There are of course advantages of using torrents: you have the choice between many smaller and larger communities and some of them are specialized and surpass any other alternatives with their awsomeness. That's true for music, movies, games, applications and not so common things like e-learning.


The way I see it, most seedboxes are investions in the future like KFlint already said to support your tracker accounts. Usenet providers know no ratio and most of them have flat-access anyway. I'm using the Usenet and download about 2/3 through it, that are likely to be 100-250gb of traffic per month which I don't need to seed back anymore. I use that bandwidth in other ways now and the 10 € for my Usenet provider are worth it ;)

[KFlint]

i'll have a look at giganews someday i guess

the possibility of getting old releases at full speed is tempting for sure..

[stroj]

Seedbox is cheaper solution. Newsgroups are quite uncomfortable for me so far. When i see something on private tracker with 5 min pretime, i cba to wait to get it from NG, since my buffer allow me to dl whatever i want for next 2 years (its not hit'n'run just to be clear, you can get 1:1, but if you cant, no problem at all). Also the system of getting releases i find kinda messy @ newsgroups. From my own experience, i hardly can tell a "plus" of ng. I have everything i want from BT - fast, with good pre and in very simple way. About security i cant say much, but it dont really bother me - i feel safe with both :P I have been using ng's only for week or so, but now my answer would be "Seedbox by all 10" (it might change in future - i dont know)

[Skiz]

Seedbox is cheaper solution.

No, no it isn't. Stating such is just foolish. :no:


Newsgroups are quite uncomfortable for me so far. When i see something on private tracker with 5 min pretime, i cba to wait to get it from NG,

Ah yes, ignore all the releases that are on Usenet before any private trackers. I see what you did right there. Fortunately, those of us that know better, know that statement only convinces the simpletons and maybe yourself.


since my buffer allow me to dl whatever i want for next 2 years (its not hit'n'run just to be clear, you can get 1:1, but if you cant, no problem at all).

Again, who cares? With newsgroups you don't have to upload at all.


Also the system of getting releases i find kinda messy @ newsgroups. From my own experience, i hardly can tell a "plus" of ng.

Too dim to know what you're looking at? Sounds like a personal problem. Don't mean to be a dick, but again, there really is no comparison. :dabs:

[stroj]

I was talking from my own view and experience, i know iam not 100% always right (maybe like you? :unsure:). I dont care about your "facts", iam looking at it from practical view, based on my needs.

I never had problem to get the older rls's from p2p.



Again, who cares? With newsgroups you don't have to upload at all.No you dont, you just have to PAY. But who cares right...

[Fibre]

USENET is OK for older releases, especially if you get an account at Giganews with 200 days retention. If you have a decent collection of private torrent sites the newish content available is far better than what USENET has to offer.

With USENET in the firing line, I'm not sure how long it will last.

[Skiz]

Again, who cares? With newsgroups you don't have to upload at all.No you dont, you just have to PAY. But who cares right...

As if you don't with a seed box?? :wacko:

Besides, some do; some don't. I know the VP at Giganews as they're in my city and have an account for free. Many users also use ISP accounts as well. Some do pay, yes.

[psxcite]

Timewarner offers free usenet access to all it's customers. Granted, the retention on some groups is pitiful. But it's free.

As to pre-times, I've seen a few recent releases on the NG before they hit BCG. I usually check the NG first so I can grab it there and seed on the trackers. Halo 3 come sto mind. And of course, nothing beats the speed on Newsgroups. There is no competition when it comes to that department. You will max your line all the time with Giganews.

Although you don't have to upload on newsgroups, the whole idea behind the community is sharing. Uploading isn't that hard and giving back occasionally to your favorite group is just agood and decent thing to do. Someone uploads the stuff you leech?

Of course I'm biased, as I am one of the founder members that chartered alt.binaries.dvdr.

[tirthakrit]

I very much know that none will support me here, but all you torrent and NG users , try getting a Rapidshare premium acc . It can give u your max ISPs speed, no ratio hassles, only 10bucks a month and if u know the right sites for getting RS links, u can get all your stuff that evn torrent trackers sometimes dont have.

[claudandus]

its a pity to see that some people here talk about ratios as "buffers" >.<

aniway ^^

a seederbox definitely beets the hell outta usenet =^.^= and its also a vital part of a site if it comes to decent speeds on your favourite trackers =^.^= and they are mostly kept alive by the donations of friendly users that care fo the community and/or the friendly few bucks that staffmembers can spare =^.^=

personally my epenis does'nt gets vewwy hard from USE-net and it prolly never will.

oh and for those interested: i get my daily load of shares from torrents, and i try to feed the smaller Communities with it so that they also can get new users that like the site =^___^=

"and in the end it all comes down to sharing, just like it has always been"

@ tithakrit : p2l is wrong.

[psxcite]

I simply enjoy the variety and volume of content. If you add up every torrent on all the sites that members of FST use - it still won't even come close to a 10th of what is available on usenet with a good provider.

And trust me when I say, rapidshare can't compare to usenet.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy torrents. I love the conceipt and it definately promotes sharing. Unlike the usenet environment. But nothing beats NGs and scene ftp access.

[claudandus]

lol nothing beats topsites no rofl :3

but i dunno if usenet specifically has more to offer... imho it depends on what type of contents you want,

because every medium has something special of its own and it still depends on the sharer what is available

edit : nice list of userbars btw ;-)

edit2 : gotta love typoes

[tirthakrit]

Opinions will always be different depending on which one satisfies the user most. Its obvious sceneftp is the best. I am a member at a pvt FTP(not scene btw) and its really good. But again torrents arent the best thing. In India, evn aftr having the best ISP, its real tough to seed in 1:1 ratio in all the trackers.

[claudandus]

i wish i could have my own private ftpnetwork =^.^=

its neato to just have your own small network and a constant growing archive of home made goodness =^.^=

[stroj]

No you dont, you just have to PAY. But who cares right...

As if you don't with a seed box?? :wacko:

Besides, some do; some don't. I know the VP at Giganews as they're in my city and have an account for free. Many users also use ISP accounts as well. Some do pay, yes.

Yeah. I know but as i heard, its really low % of ppl who got it from ISP's.
Yes you have to pay, but only once..therefore i used word "cheaper". But i dont want to argue - there are many ppl with different taste.

[groggy]

Most people don't realise that torrents are only good for certain categories; tv, xvid, mp3 and 0day apps. Torrent trackers are total shit for console scene releases. Don't even get me started on trackers like blackcats games and bitgamer; they are horrible. Almost all new handheld and console releases are posted to newsgroups but trackers only get a small fraction of those releases and the trackers that i've named here also like to repack those scene releases. Blackcats games and bitgamer are owned by a bunch of idiots who just don't understand what the hell is going on, hehe.

[Fibre]

Torrent trackers are total shit for console scene releases.

Some of the top trackers carry console releases.