Barry Bonds indicted on perjury, obstruction charges

[Skiz]

SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds, baseball's home run king, was indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice Thursday and could face prison instead of the Hall of Fame for telling a federal grand jury he did not knowingly use performance-enhancing drugs.

The indictment, culminating a four-year investigation into steroid use by elite athletes, charged Bonds with four counts of perjury and one of obstruction of justice. If convicted, he could be sentenced to a maximum of 30 years in prison.


:source:Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112487

[DefX]

Who here didn't see this one coming?

From hall of fame to hall of shame..

[Busyman™]

I just wonder what new evidence they have. Otherwise this is a waste of time.

All of this for a sports figure....go figure.

[DefX]

Well, if they have no new evidence at hand, then this is just a monumental waste of tax payer's money prosecuting this guy.

[fstrulz]

Bonds' indictment is actually not about his using of steroids... It's about him lying to the jury that he didn't take steroids.

[Skiz]

Bonds' indictment is actually not about his using of steroids... It's about him lying to the jury that he didn't take steroids.



Pretty sure we all know that. :huh:

[Busyman™]

I think he'll be convicted.

Witch hunts usually end with the desired result.

[j2k4]

Bonds' indictment is actually not about his using of steroids... It's about him lying to the jury that he didn't take steroids.



For a quick nostalgia trip, substitute "Clinton" for "Bonds", then "sex" for "steroids".

I smell a fix...

As an aside, if Selig offered to forego any and all "asterisk" arguments, and lobbied for Bonds' inclusion in the H.O.F., if Barry would concede...


Oh, what am I talking about - never happen.

Barry would want to have his cake, eat it, and...and...probably ask for seconds. :whistling

[Skiz]

Barry would want to have his cake, eat it, and...and...probably ask for seconds. :whistling

Well, he is a growing boy after all. :whistling

[j2k4]

Barry would want to have his cake, eat it, and...and...probably ask for seconds. :whistling

Well, he is a growing boy after all. :whistling

Yes, and isn't that something. :whistling

[AmpeD]

its about time

[j2k4]

its about time

For cake? :whistling

[grimms]

It's all a bunch of bull****

[j2k4]

It's all a bunch of bull****

Yes, I'm quite sure he's never used steroids. :whistling

[Busyman™]

It's all a bunch of bull****

Yes, I'm quite sure he's never used steroids. :whistling

I'm quite sure he's never been proven to have used steroids.:ermm:

[DefX]

Yes, I'm quite sure he's never used steroids. :whistling

I'm quite sure he's never been proven to have used steroids.:ermm:

That might very well change with this new indictment.

Excluding all the steroid suspicions aside regarding this debacle, you have to admit there's something amiss about a guy in his late 30's who suddenly gets an unfathomable surge of power that allows him to hit 73 homers when his HR average prior to that season was around 40 or less. No player in MLB history has had this type of resurgence and we're suppose to believe that Barry is the exception and that allowed him to be the second coming of the Bambino at an age when virtually all players' abilities are at their twilight. Hell, I read somewhere that even Reggie Jackson is highly suspicious and being a Yankee fan, I highly concur.:whistling

[Busyman™]

I'm quite sure he's never been proven to have used steroids.:ermm:

That might very well change with this new indictment.

Excluding all the steroid suspicions aside regarding this debacle, you have to admit there's something amiss about a guy in his late 30's who suddenly gets an unfathomable surge of power that allows him to hit 73 homers when his HR average prior to that season was around 40 or less. No player in MLB history has had this type of resurgence and we're suppose to believe that Barry is the exception and that allowed him to be the second coming of the Bambino at an age when virtually all players' abilities are at their twilight. Hell, I read somewhere that even Reggie Jackson is highly suspicious and being a Yankee fan, I highly concur.:whistling

The only reason that people go after Barry is cuz he got the HR record. Fact.

He has failed no test for steroids. Fact.

If he has failed no test for steroids then WTF?!

A book comes out and then an investigation is launched.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone puts some shit in his food to get him at this point. I'd be suspicious if he failed a test now.

Also I totally agree that there's something amiss about the guy. He most likely has taken steroids.

That ain't the point though.

He failed no steroid test. His ex-gf saying he did it ain't enough. His trainer saying he did it ain't enough.

I didn't hear shit about this when Mark McGwire hit all those HRs and he even admitted using a substance banned in other sports at the time.:dry:

Maybe it's cuz it wasn't all time record.:whistling

On a flip side look at this (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d804d7406&template=with-video&confirm=true).

I can imagine Henry was loike, "Aww Hell NO!!"

I'm almost inclined to believe Floyd Landis was fucked over by French.

[RPerry]

The only reason that people go after Barry is cuz he got the HR record. Fact.
I think they go after him because he is a lying, cheating, asshole, who broke the record. Fact.

[Busyman™]

The only reason that people go after Barry is cuz he got the HR record. Fact.
I think they go after him because he is a lying, cheating, asshole, who broke the record. Fact.

I think your wrong. They have to prove he's a liar and cheater.

[DefX]

That might very well change with this new indictment.

Excluding all the steroid suspicions aside regarding this debacle, you have to admit there's something amiss about a guy in his late 30's who suddenly gets an unfathomable surge of power that allows him to hit 73 homers when his HR average prior to that season was around 40 or less. No player in MLB history has had this type of resurgence and we're suppose to believe that Barry is the exception and that allowed him to be the second coming of the Bambino at an age when virtually all players' abilities are at their twilight. Hell, I read somewhere that even Reggie Jackson is highly suspicious and being a Yankee fan, I highly concur.:whistling

The only reason that people go after Barry is cuz he got the HR record. Fact.

He has failed no test for steroids. Fact.

If he has failed no test for steroids then WTF?!

A book comes out and then an investigation is launched.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone puts some shit in his food to get him at this point. I'd be suspicious if he failed a test now.

Also I totally agree that there's something amiss about the guy. He most likely has taken steroids.

That ain't the point though.

He failed no steroid test. His ex-gf saying he did it ain't enough. His trainer saying he did it ain't enough.

I didn't hear shit about this when Mark McGwire hit all those HRs and he even admitted using a substance banned in other sports at the time.:dry:

Maybe it's cuz it wasn't all time record.:whistling

On a flip side look at this (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d804d7406&template=with-video&confirm=true).

I can imagine Henry was loike, "Aww Hell NO!!"

I'm almost inclined to believe Floyd Landis was fucked over by French.

You admit that he most likely has taken steroids in the past yet you think all this hoopla is pointless when he's holding perhaps the most revered record in all of sports. :blink:

I'm not at all familiar with the parameters of the drug tests but I know for a fact that there were no mandatory drug tests around the years he hit those massive HR totals. Therefore, the fact that he passed the drug tests taken several years later is undoubtedly beside the point.

McGwire not receiving the same flack for being an anabolic drug user can be attributed to 3 things. He's not the record holder as you said, he doesn't have a surly personality like Barry and to some extent, the color of his skin. (It'd be naive not to think so.) But it's not like he's gone unscathed either. He was humiliated by that drug committee hearing in congress a few yrs back. The same one that made Rafael Palmeiro's legacy an afterthought. Plus he received less than half the votes it would've taken him to get enshrined in the hall on his first year of eligibility.

I don't know about you but I love the game too much to just sit back and accept the fact that the records being broken every year aren't tarnished when every indication out there says it is.

[RPerry]

I think they go after him because he is a lying, cheating, asshole, who broke the record. Fact.

I think your wrong. They have to prove he's a liar and cheater.

No Sir, you have to prove it to convict him, not to run his lying ass through the wringer.

[Busyman™]

I think your wrong. They have to prove he's a liar and cheater.

No Sir, you have to prove it to convict him, not to run his lying ass through the wringer.

No sir, you figure he's a liar and cheater as do I.

It could just as well be that he isn't.

It's hard for me to get in such an uproar when players have been using substances for edge long before steroids.

I don't think it's ok. However, I can't single out Bonds in the least. Mark McGwire was celebrated while he admitted using performance enhancers.

Mitchel report due out tomorrow at 2:30pm, btw.

[jetje]

Mitchell report in pdf! (http://www.wnbc.com/download/2007/1213/14847408.pdf)

it seems the MLB is one big fraud. Like in the thirties when gamblin made it corrupt.
Bonds and others could easily skip drugtests cause they alway were told long time before when the test were done, and if they were on for one.

The following players were connected to steroids, either use or possession, in the report:
Chad Allen, Mike Bell, Gary Bennett, Larry Bigbie, Ricky Bones, Kevin Brown, Ken Caminiti, Mark Carreon, Jason Christiansen, Howie Clark, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Jack Cust, Brendan Donnelly, Chris Donnels, Lenny Dykstra, Matt Franco, Ryan Franklin, Eric Gagne, Jason Grimsley, Jerry Hairston, Phil Hiatt, Matt Herges, Glenallen Hill, Todd Hundley, Ryan Jorgensen, Wally Joyner, Mike Judd, David Justice, Chuck Knoblauch, Tim Laker, Mike Lansing, Paul Lo Duca, Exavier "Nook" Logan, Josias Manzanillo, Cody McKay, Kent Mercker, Bart Miadich, Hal Morris, Daniel Naulty, Denny Neagle, Rafael Palmeiro, Jim Parque, Andy Pettitte, Adam Piatt, Todd Pratt, Stephen Randolph, Adam Riggs, Brian Roberts, F.P. Santangelo, David Segui, Mike Stanton, Ricky Stone, Miguel Tejada, Derrick Turnbow, Mo Vaughn, Ron Villone, Fernando Vina, Rondell White, Jeff Williams, Todd Williams, Kevin Young, Gregg Zaun

The following players were cited under "Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball" in the report:
Rick Ankiel, David Bell, Paul Byrd, Jose Canseco, Jay Gibbons, Troy Glaus, Jose Guillen, Darren Holmes, Gary Matthews Jr., John Rocker, Scott Schoeneweis, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, Steve Woodard.

Personally i think a lot of US sports is drenched with dope and steroids. See Marion Jones & Co in the Baco affaire.

In Europe we have the problems with dope in professional cycling (tour de france!) But at least that sport tests a lot and tries to ban dope use by excluding athletes for a long time and taking back the earned fees from the last year!

In Europe there was a big dope-use case in Spain, DR Fuentes.
A list with over 300 athletes from different disciplines, strangly enough only the cyclists were published and punished?

It seems that honest sport is impossible when athletes can make (too) much money by being with the best in their sports. Sadly enough :(

[Busyman]

I must remind everyone that the Mitchell Report is not hard evidence in the least.

However, there were some statements (accusations) that were verified by the players themselves.

[WhiteWizard20]

Hank Aaron once said in an interview I saw that they didn't even know of the term "steroids" back in the day.

[Busyman™]

Hank Aaron once said in an interview I saw that they didn't even know of the term "steroids" back in the day.

They knew "greenies" though.:whistling