Sean Taylor Has Been Shot!

[Busyman]

The National Football League's Sean Taylor, a star defensive player for the Washington Redskins, was shot in his home near Miami on Monday, police said.

Taylor, 24, the fifth overall pick of the 2004 draft by the Redskins, was airlifted in critical condition to Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital for treatment, police said.

The Miami Herald reported that Taylor and other occupants of the house heard intruders at the rear door and that Taylor was shot in the leg, but police said they could not confirm those details.

"We've yet to determine the circumstances surrounding the shooting," Miami-Dade Police spokeswoman Kathy Webb said.

Miami-Dade police Lt. Nancy Perez, speaking to reporters outside Taylor's home, said Taylor "was shot in the lower extremities. He was airlifted to Ryder Trauma (center at Jackson Memorial Hospital) in critical condition."

Taylor, a college star with the University of Miami, bought the four-bedroom home in Palmetto Bay, a village just south of Miami, for $900,000 two years ago.

Taylor had five interceptions this season but had been sidelined the last two weeks with a leg injury.
:O That's fucked up!

He was hit in his femural artery and had lots of blood loss.

[BawA]

no kidding http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/images/smilies/ohmy.gif
:dry:

[Barbarossa]

Was he shot in his injured leg or his good one?

[Busyman]

Was he shot in his injured leg or his good one?

Dunno. I'm listening to sports talk radio now and reports are saying he was shot multiple times.

[Busyman]

He died this morning.:(

He's the first player to die during the season in 36 years.

I wish he had a gun. I heard he grabbed his machete, someone kicked in his bedroom door, and shot him.

[Barbarossa]

Explain how having a gun would have helped.

Was he notorious for not having a gun? :blink:

[Peerzy]

He died this morning.:(

He's the first player to die during the season in 36 years.

I wish he had a gun. I heard he grabbed his machete, someone kicked in his bedroom door, and shot him.

Why would two people having a gun be better than one, more mindless violence?

[Busyman]

Explain how having a gun would have helped.

Was he notorious for not having a gun? :blink:

Gun > Machete

:ermm:



He died this morning.:(

He's the first player to die during the season in 36 years.

I wish he had a gun. I heard he grabbed his machete, someone kicked in his bedroom door, and shot him.

Why would two people having a gun be better than one, more mindless violence?

What kinda dumb statement is that?

It's about protecting yourself and also deterring another from shooting you. What's mindless about trying save your own life....in your home?

Newsflash..A machete doesn't deter a gun toter.

So now this turns into an idealogical battle about guns.:ermm:

I've known too many folks that would be dead right now without a gun. Your statement sounds really dumb since the one without the gun died.

Nice going on your soapbox.

[Barbarossa]

There's already a guy in your house trying to shoot you. You can assume that any perceived deterrent your gun holds has already been rendered ineffective.

Actually once the guy has pulled the trigger you've a better chance of stopping a bullet with a machete than you have with another gun.

Real life is not Gunfight at the OK Corral, moron :dry:

[t0mmy]

how are you going to stop a bullet with a machete :whistling

[Busyman]

There's already a guy in your house trying to shoot you. You can assume that any perceived deterrent your gun holds has already been rendered ineffective.

Actually once the guy has pulled the trigger you've a better chance of stopping a bullet with a machete than you have with another gun.

Real life is not Gunfight at the OK Corral, moron :dry:

No, dumbass, it isn't.

However, a machete is for close combat. A gun is not so you are less likely to put yourself in danger of someone with a gun.

Rendered ineffeective? :lol:

You are a really a moron, a really thinking man's dead man.


Actually once the guy has pulled the trigger you've a better chance of stopping a bullet with a machete than you have with another gun.

Sorry I had to quote this again cuz it's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Obviously you are just plain ignorant and stupid no matter how many "rendered ineffectives" you use.

[Barbarossa]

People have been known to stop bullets with a copy of the Holy Bible in their shirt pockets :whistling

[Busyman]

how are you going to stop a bullet with a machete :whistling

:frusty:


People have been known to stop bullets with a copy of the Holy Bible in their shirt pockets :whistling

Roooiight.

I guess the machete didn't work though.:dry:

Again

Gun > Machete

[Barbarossa]

I know we've covered this before, but your gun deterrent only serves to discourage people from entering your home in the first place, in the same way that your nuclear deterrent only serves to stop people firing the missiles first.

Once the intruder is in, or if the missiles get fired, they mean diddly squat.

The guy was in his house and going to shoot him, regardless of whether he had a gun or not.

I'm putting that in bold, because that's important.

Keep trying to justify gun ownership if you like, but the rest of the world already knows how moronic your arguments are.



Gun > Machete

So how would you stop a bullet with another gun?

[Busyman]

I know we've covered this before, but your gun deterrent only serves to discourage people from entering your home in the first place, in the same way that your nuclear deterrent only serves to stop people firing the missiles first.

Once the intruder is in, or if the missiles get fired, they mean diddly squat.

The guy was in his house and going to shoot him, regardless of whether he had a gun or not.

I'm putting that in bold, because that's important.

Keep trying to justify gun ownership if you like, but the rest of the world already knows how moronic your arguments are.



Gun > Machete

So how would you stop a bullet with another gun?

I have to take into account that you are a little ignorant.

First off this wasn't about me justify gun ownership. You anti-gun zealots jump up here doing the opposite.

Second off, moron, if an intruder has a gun shot fly their way, a whole lot of that boldness goes out of the window.

Your statement in bold makes assumptions of inevitability, which you knew shit all about.

You don't stop a bullet with another gun, idjit. The point is not to get close to the intruder.

The fact is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Barbarossa]

So when you agreed with me that real life isn't like gunfight at the OK corral, what you meant to say was "Yes actually it is". :dabs:

And how is saying "I wish he had a gun" not justifying gun ownership :dabs:

Grow up. :frusty:

[Busyman]

So when you agreed with me that real life isn't like gunfight at the OK corral, what you meant to say was "Yes actually it is". :dabs:

And how is saying "I wish he had a gun" not justifying gun ownership :dabs:

Grow up. :frusty:

This is exactly my point. You are ignorant.

2 opposing people with guns doesn't = gunfight at OK Corral. You watch too many movies.

Wishing he had a gun was not a "stance on gun ownership". You act as if I stepped on your toes with the statement.

The fact, whether you wanna believe it or not, is that if he had a gun in this situation, it would have probably saved his life.

Stop watching movies with guns in it and applying them to real life situations. Just realize you are ignorant about these things and leave it at that.

[Barbarossa]

The fact, whether you wanna believe it or not, is that if he had a gun in this situation, it would have probably saved his life.

So you keep saying, and yet you have failed to explain how him having a gun would have stopped any of the bullets that were shot at him.

Apart from saying he could have shot some bullets back :idunno:

Is that not what is commonly known as a gunfight?

It's not me living in fantasy land here, it's you

[Busyman]

The fact, whether you wanna believe it or not, is that if he had a gun in this situation, it would have probably saved his life.

So you keep saying, and yet you have failed to explain how him having a gun would have stopped any of the bullets that were shot at him.

Apart from saying he could have shot some bullets back :idunno:

Is that not what is commonly known as a gunfight?

It's not me living in fantasy land here, it's you

From reports say, he got up with machete. One does not operate the same way with a gun than with a machete.

You have know idea how he got shot so why use this situation to jump on your podium to make your stance against gun ownership.

All you and I know is he had a machete and was shot.

Sorry bud, since I have lived through things like gunfire and own guns in an urban, and you most likely haven't and don't, so for knowledge on guns, I > you.

All you can do is chime in and hope you sound intelligent to others in your geographical area.

I'm positive they ALL agree with you and you are pretty much on point.

To me, you sound like ignorant and naive.

"If he had a gun he still definitely would have died."

Rooooight.

[psxcite]

I think a few rounds fired in the direction of an intruder is more of a deterrent than a machete. If I hear someone in MY house, you can best believe they will hear hot lead going through drywall. I certainly believe if the intruder realized the homeowner was armed with a gun, he would have left the premises quickly. Most cases, the burgalar carries the handgun to scare off anyone that may catch them in the act. They have no intentions of killing anyone. He obviously was scared shitless to see someone of Sean Taylor's size and then the huge knife in his hand.

A handgun is not a close combat weapon? A handgun was designed primarily for close encounters. Look, I'm all for stopping violence and senseless killing. But this is the United States of America. We honor our right to bear arms. Warning shots have saved many lives. That loud noise causes a definate reaction.

What can you do to deter a robber with a machete? Yell, "I have a knife! A big knife!" The next time an armed assailant enters YOUR home with a firearm, please grab a machete and we'll see who wins that battle. There's an old expression - don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Why? You figure it out.

[fstrulz]

R.I.P. Sean Taylor.

Very talented NFL safety.

[AmpeD]

I think a few rounds fired in the direction of an intruder is more of a deterrent than a machete. If I hear someone in MY house, you can best believe they will hear hot lead going through drywall. I certainly believe if the intruder realized the homeowner was armed with a gun, he would have left the premises quickly. Most cases, the burgalar carries the handgun to scare off anyone that may catch them in the act. They have no intentions of killing anyone. He obviously was scared shitless to see someone of Sean Taylor's size and then the huge knife in his hand.

A handgun is not a close combat weapon? A handgun was designed primarily for close encounters. Look, I'm all for stopping violence and senseless killing. But this is the United States of America. We honor our right to bear arms. Warning shots have saved many lives. That loud noise causes a definate reaction.

thats why we got a 45. Hell no need to even shoot it, the robber can hear that thing cock and would run like hell. If not, I got 8 hollow points left to convince him otherwise :01:
but the main reason I have it is to go shoot random shit :whistling

[Busyman™]

I think a few rounds fired in the direction of an intruder is more of a deterrent than a machete. If I hear someone in MY house, you can best believe they will hear hot lead going through drywall.

Hopefully you don't shoot someone that's supposed to be there.:ermm:

I certainly believe if the intruder realized the homeowner was armed with a gun, he would have left the premises quickly. Most cases, the burgalar carries the handgun to scare off anyone that may catch them in the act. They have no intentions of killing anyone. He obviously was scared shitless to see someone of Sean Taylor's size and then the huge knife in his hand.

A handgun is not a close combat weapon? A handgun was designed primarily for close encounters. Look, I'm all for stopping violence and senseless killing. But this is the United States of America. We honor our right to bear arms. Warning shots have saved many lives. That loud noise causes a definate reaction.

What can you do to deter a robber with a machete? Yell, "I have a knife! A big knife!" The next time an armed assailant enters YOUR home with a firearm, please grab a machete and we'll see who wins that battle. There's an old expression - don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Why? You figure it out.

The person that broke in his house was there to kill him so the only thing Sean could have done was deter the killer enough to value his own life vs. killing Sean or kill the intruder outright.

Intruder dies or intruder says, "fuck this shit".

I always thought handguns were made for concealment and maneuverability. This does translate better in close quarter situations though.

Also, we don't know exactly how Sean was shot. It could have very well had been that a gun wouldn't have mattered. However, a machete is laughable in that situation which is why I said the shouldacouldawoulda (who knew I'd get the anti-gun police in here).

This has dominated the news down here and sports radio is has this as the only topic.

Folks were at the stadium crying their asses off.:(

I wish I was more saddened by the situation. What gets to me is how creepy and sudden the whole thing is.

Last week there was a knife left on his bed. Today he dies from a gunshot by someone who had been in his house before and cut the phone line.

I think his gf (baby mama) had him killed personally but that's just a hunch.



I think a few rounds fired in the direction of an intruder is more of a deterrent than a machete. If I hear someone in MY house, you can best believe they will hear hot lead going through drywall. I certainly believe if the intruder realized the homeowner was armed with a gun, he would have left the premises quickly. Most cases, the burgalar carries the handgun to scare off anyone that may catch them in the act. They have no intentions of killing anyone. He obviously was scared shitless to see someone of Sean Taylor's size and then the huge knife in his hand.

A handgun is not a close combat weapon? A handgun was designed primarily for close encounters. Look, I'm all for stopping violence and senseless killing. But this is the United States of America. We honor our right to bear arms. Warning shots have saved many lives. That loud noise causes a definate reaction.

thats why we got a 45. Hell no need to even shoot it, the robber can hear that thing cock and would run like hell. If not, I got 8 hollow points left to convince him otherwise :01:
but the main reason I have it is to go shoot random shit :whistling

Like passersby, no doubt.:ermm:

I hope no one breaks in my home. I don't wanna have to get my gun. Anyone who does shouldn't have one.

You never know how shit'll play out.

[AmpeD]

thats why we got a 45. Hell no need to even shoot it, the robber can hear that thing cock and would run like hell. If not, I got 8 hollow points left to convince him otherwise :01:
but the main reason I have it is to go shoot random shit :whistling

Like passersby, no doubt.:ermm:

I hope no one breaks in my home. I don't wanna have to get my gun. Anyone who does shouldn't have one.

You never know how shit'll play out.
absolutely, but you also dont want to be stuck without one

[psxcite]

Like passersby, no doubt.:ermm:

I hope no one breaks in my home. I don't wanna have to get my gun. Anyone who does shouldn't have one.

You never know how shit'll play out.
absolutely, but you also dont want to be stuck without one

Exactly. Better to have one and not need it, than need it and not have one.

[Busyman™]

The family of slain Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor will get little comfort from the arrest of four suspects, a family friend said, particularly since it appears the killing happened because of greed.

"They targeted him for his wealth," said Richard Sharpstein, Taylor's former attorney. "It makes his death even more pathetic, unnecessary and just actually disgusting."

Police arrested four people Friday in connection with Taylor's shooting death, saying they went to the home intent on committing a burglary, not killing.

The suspects didn't expect Taylor to be there, said Miami-Dade County police Director Robert Parker, but the Redskins safety was recuperating from a knee injury and had returned from Washington. When Taylor surprised them, he was shot.

"They were certainly not looking to go there and kill anyone," Parker said. "They were expecting a residence that was not occupied. So murder or shooting someone was not their initial motive."

Police spokeswoman Linda O'Brien identified the suspects as: Venjah K. Hunte, 20; Eric Rivera Jr., 17; Jason Scott Mitchell, 19; and Charles Kendrick Lee Wardlow, 18. O'Brien said the charges for each had not yet been determined, but "we are talking murder and burglary."

Authorities had more than one confession, but Parker would not elaborate.

The four were arrested Friday in southwest Florida, about 100 miles from Miami. They will be booked into the Lee County Jail and eventually will be returned to Miami, O'Brien said. She did not have any information on when they would appear in court, their hometowns or if they had attorneys.

Sharpstein had not spoken with Taylor's family regarding Friday's arrests, but said he doubted they provided any comfort.

"I know they are just saddened and appalled. The fact that they arrested his killer is no comfort to them," he said. "It probably inflames them more, because it tells them people were trying to steal from him.

"They are murderers. They should be treated like murderers and put in the Miami River and floated away."

The 24-year-old Pro Bowl safety died Tuesday, one day after being shot at his home in an affluent Miami suburb during what officials said appeared to be an attempted burglary.

Police have been investigating a possible link to a Nov. 17 break-in at Taylor's home, during which they said someone pried open a front window, rifled through drawers and left a kitchen knife on a bed.

"We're looking into whether or not one or more of the individuals had been at the residence before," Parker said.

The Miami Herald reported on its Web site that Mitchell and Wardlow had connections to Taylor. Mitchell cut Taylor's lawn and did other chores at the house, Mitchell's twin brother, Scottie, told the paper. Taylor's sister, Sasha Johnson, dates Wardlow's older cousin Christopher, and Scottie Mitchell told the paper the couple invited Jason Mitchell to Johnson's birthday party within the past two months.

A woman who identified herself as Jason Mitchell's mother told the Naples Daily News her son was at a birthday party at Sean Taylor's home a couple months ago. She also said her son was at home all week and last weekend.

"I don't know where he's at, I don't know why he's being held," she told the Naples paper. "No parent should see this happen to their child."

O'Brien would not confirm the reports when contacted by The Associated Press.

Taylor and longtime girlfriend, Jackie Garcia, were awakened early Monday by loud noises at Taylor's home in an affluent Miami suburb. Taylor grabbed a machete he keeps in the bedroom for protection, Sharpstein said. Someone broke through the bedroom door and fired two shots, one missing and one hitting Taylor in the upper leg. Neither the couple's 18-month-old daughter, also named Jackie, nor Garcia were injured.

The bullet damaged the femoral artery in Taylor's leg, causing significant blood loss. Taylor never regained consciousness and died a little more than 24 hours later.

A public viewing for Taylor is scheduled Sunday in Miami, and the entire Redskins organization plans to fly to Florida to attend Monday's funeral at Pharmed Arena at Florida International University.

The Redskins also announced that fans attending Sunday's game will receive a towel with Taylor's No. 21 jersey on it, and his name will be displayed prominently in an end zone.

Redskins owner Dan Snyder said the team will contribute a minimum of $500,000 to a fund to benefit Taylor's daughter, and he released a statement late Friday acknowledging the arrests.

"This is another step, but not a conclusion, in a very personal and painful tragedy," he said. "I also want to thank everyone who has joined us in mourning the loss of Sean. People from all over the world contacted the Redskins to share our grief and offer their prayers for Sean and his family. We will never forget the courage his family, especially Jackie, Pete and Donna, have shown. Their composure has been a source of strength for us all."

There you have it, simple fucking robbery by folks that had been in his home before.

He died from a simple fucking robbery.:dry:

Fucking pathetic....

[Skiz]

There you have it, simple fucking robbery by folks that had been in his home before.

He died from a simple fucking robbery.:dry:

Fucking pathetic....

He knew the fuckers too. Had invited them to birthday parties and whatnot.

Fucking savages...

[Busyman™]

4 suspects are in custody. Authorities are looking for a fifth.

It's weird. I've heard that there have been two confessions.

Now knowing there were 4 people (possibly 5 involved) I really, really wish he had a gun.

That's a fucking home invasion. Invasions almost never end well for the occupant.

I also think that's bullshit that they didn't know anyone was home.

I am glad that I didn't watch the funeral. I probably would have bitched up.

I wish the people that did this were locked in a room with the Redskins.

I really do.





There you have it, simple fucking robbery by folks that had been in his home before.

He died from a simple fucking robbery.:dry:

Fucking pathetic....

He knew the fuckers too. Had invited them to birthday parties and whatnot.

Fucking savages...

....one guy mowed his lawn too.:dry:

I haven't discounted the fact that these fuckers were not robbing him but are just saying so so it doesn't look like 1st degree murder.

If I was a lawyer, I sure would advise my client to do that if the case was airtight.

[AmpeD]

If I was a lawyer, I sure would advise my client to do that if the case was airtight.
either way, its murder. Certain crimes like kidnapping, armed robbery, and a few others are high enough risk that if someone dies, it is murder not manslaughter

[Busyman]

If I was a lawyer, I sure would advise my client to do that if the case was airtight.
either way, its murder. Certain crimes like kidnapping, armed robbery, and a few others are high enough risk that if someone dies, it is murder not manslaughter

It's not 1st degree murder though.

That will get you the chair or life.

[AmpeD]

either way, its murder. Certain crimes like kidnapping, armed robbery, and a few others are high enough risk that if someone dies, it is murder not manslaughter

It's not 1st degree murder though.

That will get you the chair or life.


Judge John Thornton found probable cause to support charges of first degree felony murder and burglary with assault or battery with a firearm.
got it anyways

[Busyman™]

It's not 1st degree murder though.

That will get you the chair or life.


Judge John Thornton found probable cause to support charges of first degree felony murder and burglary with assault or battery with a firearm.
got it anyways

Yeah I heard that.

I guess it fits since a gun was brought into the mix while attempting a robbery.

2nd degree wouldn't fit now that I think of it and Manslaughter definitely doesn't fit.