For A L L That Use P2p Or Share Files

[RealitY]

As many of us as there are it seems clear how much power we have if brought together, I have realized many of us think the folks next door don't file share, that we are the only one on the block. We keep quiet about our P2P use.

Although I am starting to see after openly talking about P2P that almost everyone suddenly says "oh yea, I use KaZaa too" (KMD version unfortunately), even the folks I talk to at my ISP. Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music. This is now officially out of hand, with lists of usernames to be sued http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0...3484600,00.html (http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3484600,00.html).

If YOU care about any of this, then READ the following 3 items

There ARE other ways for the artist to get PAID
http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php

There ARE simple legal solutions
http://www.eff.org/share/legal.php


Take a Stand Against the Madness; Stop the RIAA!
The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) is on a rampage, launching legal attacks against average Americans from coast to coast. Rather than working to create a rational, legal means by which its customers can take advantage of file-sharing technology and pay a fair price for the music they love, it has chosen to sue people like Brianna LaHara, a 12 year-old girl living in New York City public housing.

Brianna, and hundreds of other music fans like her, are being forced to pay thousands of dollars they do not have to settle RIAA-member lawsuits -- supporting a business model that is anything but rational. This crusade is generating thousands of subpoenas and hundreds of lawsuits, but not a single penny for the artists that the RIAA claims to protect.

Copyright law shouldn't make criminals out of 60 million Americans, and it's time for a change. Congress is going to hold hearings; we need your help to make sure that the public's voice is heard. Tell Congress that it's time to stop the madness!

FINALLY AND MOST OF ALL...
HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/
It doesn't get easier than this to take part and help put this to an end.

Over 75,000 Signatures So Far!!!!

This is amazing! If we can get 100,000 signatures, we will deliver the petition to
the Senate and House Commerce and Judiciary Commitees.
Special Thanks To All At EFF.
http://www.eff.org/images/eff-logo-red.gif

[clocker]

Thanks Reality.
I registered and sent the letter to my congressman.
This link should get pinned.

[RealitY]

Thanks Clocker, I guess maybe it should get pinned.
Its true that EFF has made it very simple for us here.

I've also sent my letter, as every member of this forum should.

EDIT: I guess it already is Pinned,
Thanks to whoever Pinned it
We all can change this, we have the power too.

ALSO: Please post here to let us know if you've sent your letter as well.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Hey! i sent my letter! this is the kind of action we need to take! we cannot just SIT ON OUR ASSES we have got to fight back!

[3rd gen noob]

two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only

[RealitY]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 18:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only
1. Please read through it completely. There were many alternatives posted there, I would imagine we can decide on whats best later. I thought the idea of a licensing fee, similar to radio, at the ISP level may be good, though there were several ideas.

2. These people effect many of us including Australia and the UK, and others abroad, and it is in A L L our benifit to try and resolve and put this this to an end.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by REALITY@25 July 2003 - 19:28
1. Please read through it completely. There were many alternatives posted there, I would imagine we can decide on whats best later. I thought the idea of a licensing fee, similar to radio, at the ISP level may be good, though there were several ideas.

2. These people effect many of us including Australia and the UK, and others abroad, and it is in A L L our benifit to try and resolve and put this this to an end.
1. even the thought of a fee for filesharing is surely totally against the concept of filesharing itself? even if there are other alternatives, the main ones are paying for the service. why pay for something free??

2. the letter to mr congressmen is only available in the us.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 19:32
1. even the thought of a fee for filesharing is surely totally against the concept of filesharing itself? even if there are other alternatives, the main ones are paying for the service. why pay for something free??
I think the idea of this post is to find a solution, if you wish not to be a part of that then perhaps stay away from this post, since your comments are not productive.

1. Doing nothing will NOT stop the madness, nor have I suggested, or the EFF for you to pay, though at some level there needs to be a medium met. Again I do not think you have read all the alternatives at http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php.

the main ones are paying for the service
WRONG, just READ.

[Fatal Error]

I just sent my letter and suggest that everyone (living in the US) do the same. It doesnt get any easier than this and you CAN make a difference.

Nice post REALITY.. Thank You ! ;)

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by Tech TV website@ username list to be sued
www.k_lite.tk_Kazaa_Lite@Kazaa
Try catching a guy with this user name!!!
Yes I am joking, I know they do it by the IP. But is'nt it ironic, dont ya think?!?

Edit: Just thought of a serious point to make.
P2P could be stopped tomorrow, but piracy would still exist as it always has. Why pick on a home user who d/l's for personal use when there are many who distrbute realeases for monertry gain? At the end of the day, how much of the stuff you d/l would you pay for? 20%. 50%? How much is the industry actually losing from P2P sharing? I think these are the real issues that the RIAA/MPAA should be exploring instead of quick fix solutions. All they are doing is pushing file sharing further underground until we become untraceable. Is that what they want?

[chalkmongoose]

The RIAA is doing its best to spin the bullshit into a cloud. I feel rightly splattered. They have NO legal abilities to arrest anybody, although with Bush on the bench, they'll be marching down main street in full Nazi regalia, with Chairman Ashcroft leading the charge in little time at all.

[Everose]

I registered and sent the letter to my representatives. Thank you for this quality and timely information, Clocker.

Neverose

[chalkmongoose]

Sorry guys, but I ain't gonna bother. I have other stuff to do, like stare at my wall. If you think that any member of congress is going to step up and say "giving money to big corporations is wrong" then you're living in the past. Bush has removed any chance of that.

[Time]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only
Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I'm getting my letter sent in.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Time+26 July 2003 - 07:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Time @ 26 July 2003 - 07:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only
Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in. [/b][/quote]
I tried to say it nicely earlier...

I think the idea of this post is to find a solution, if you wish not to be a part of that then perhaps stay away from this post, since your comments are not productive.
But you got straight to the point...
I duuno why people choose to shit on ice cream...

Good to see some letters going out,
though for as many views as this has got
it would be nice to see more responses here.

[jakert50]

Originally posted by chalkmongoose@25 July 2003 - 23:27
Sorry guys, but I ain&#39;t gonna bother. I have other stuff to do, like stare at my wall. If you think that any member of congress is going to step up and say "giving money to big corporations is wrong" then you&#39;re living in the past.
You know what, that may be true, but you also have to remember that the US government is a representative government, which means everyone in office must represent the people of America. This means if more and more people support something (such as this), the elected official will eventually show support for the people&#39;s requests. If the elected official doesn&#39;t seem to represent the people who voted for him, he will loose their votes in the next election (and if that many people are using P2P, that could be a dangerously high number).

So, instead of staring at your wall, why don&#39;t you try doing something and tell your elected official...the one who is representing you in courts and meetings and such...to stop this RIAA bullshit. I&#39;ve had enough of it, and yes, my letter&#39;s in the mail.


Bush has removed any chance of that.
You Democrats make me sick. But you know what? Don&#39;t change the subject. Just get your ass off the chair facing the wall and do something.

[jakert50]

EDIT- Double post. Sorry

[Time]

Originally posted by REALITY+26 July 2003 - 07:35--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY &#064; 26 July 2003 - 07:35)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Time@26 July 2003 - 07:10
<!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only
Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in.
I tried to say it nicely earlier... [/b][/quote]
I know, I&#39;m just not in the mood for hearing any complaining. From now on I will refer to him as "Asshole".

[RealitY]

Originally posted by chalkmongoose@26 July 2003 - 06:27
Sorry guys, but I ain&#39;t gonna bother. I have other stuff to do, like stare at my wall. If you think that any member of congress is going to step up and say "giving money to big corporations is wrong" then you&#39;re living in the past. Bush has removed any chance of that.
Bravo...
I don&#39;t think a bunch of useless law suits against kids (approximately 25% of users are under the age of 18) is going to put much money in anyones pocket, so whats your point here.

What we are trying to accomplish is a resolution, which you may have seen one to your liking had you read http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php.

Congress will HAVE to step in, just like they did when those in the music business tried to put radio out of business, they implemented Voluntary Collective Licensing.

In addition it took me 15 seconds to send that letter to all that needed.

Also you may want to change you sig to...
"Bringer of Apathy"

[Time]

Did I mention I don&#39;t like extreme leftists?

[barfboy]

<_<
I have already WRITTEN my congressman AND senator (not email, an actual typed letter) I never even received a form letter response. The ONLY way to change this situation is to change the media and public opinion. Most people are completely unaware of what the RIAA is actually doing or how. It not just the tornado of bullshit coming from the RIAA suits, but it is the money going into congress and a legislature and administration that is more than willing to oblige. Did you know that the RIAA had tried to slip language into the Homeland Securtity Bill and The Patriot Act? (both bills curtail freedoms anyway and wipe their A&#036;&#036; with the Bill of Rights) People in America WAKE THE HELL UP and vote these Nazis out of fucking office. The reason the RIAA is pissed at file sharing is less about money, and more to do with a LOSS OF CONTROL. Bush has already taken care of their money woes with this goofy-ass tax cut. And the RIAA clamping down of file-sharing has inadvertantly given rise to CHILD PORNO and TERRORISTS using the internet. Isnt that why we went into Iraq (or could it be all the OIL???) :angry:

[Colbalt-Blue]

I sent a letter :D :D. I was kinda leary about using my name, but then I though WTF&#33; Its not likely someone will actually READ it. On the offchance they do, then it in no way admits guilt. I also checked and there is more than one person living in my state with my first and last name so they would have to hunt down each of us to get to ME hehehe. ;) Im rather fond of my solution, &#092;below/ maby someday... s0me0ne simply has to find the right lead......

[Ghost Of Terror]

I think the MPAA is rediculous for sewing people. File sharing is just like buying a CD and letting your friends listen to it. You have to buy the CD to put the song on KaZaA.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Time@26 July 2003 - 09:51
Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in.
I&nbsp; tried to say it nicely earlier...
I know, I&#39;m just not in the mood for hearing any complaining. From now on I will refer to him as "Asshole".
you really think i care what you think of me?

if you do, you are sadly mistaken

[funny_bunny]

Originally posted by REALITY@25 July 2003 - 10:23


Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music.
Get real Mr. Reality&#33; We are criminals

[RealitY]

Originally posted by funny_bunny+27 July 2003 - 21:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (funny_bunny @ 27 July 2003 - 21:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-REALITY@25 July 2003 - 10:23


Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music.
Get real Mr. Reality&#33; We are criminals [/b][/quote]
By what definition if you don&#39;t mind me asking?
Also do you truly believe rightfully so?

Are you a criminal when you tape the Simpsons?
Are you a criminal when you let your friend borrow a DVD?
Are you a criminal if you own an ugly horse?

Lots of Crime with no Time.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by REALITY@27 July 2003 - 22:02
Are you a criminal when you tape the Simpsons?
Are you a criminal when you let your friend borrow a DVD?
Are you a criminal if you own an ugly horse?

Lots of Crime with no Time.
only if you watch it more than once

yes

no

[RealitY]

Actually there was an ugly horse law onthe book somewhere here in the US. :lol: :(
Anyway point is we would all like to see this BS go away. :D :D

[dmorgan89]

i sent my letter and sent emails to three other people asking them to help. REALITY&#39;s right, if a lot of people do this then it WILL make a difference, otherwise we are all wasting our time. Get the word out. Senators and such have to listen to our opinions. Thats the way we do things in america. We are also punished for listening to music in america. When someone loses a dollar it&#39;s hell to pay.

The number one music artist and most popular at the moment doesn&#39;t care if people downloads his music off of the internet. 50 Cent. "I dont care how people get my music, as long as it gets to them and they love it." Thats what we got to convince other artists off and the music industry.

Thats someone who cares about music more than money.

Artists like Fred Durst thinks p2p is a way of free advertising and he supports it.

Even though some people don&#39;t like these artists music, most would like their opinions. We need to get the word out that what the recording industry is doing is WRONG. We can&#39;t do that just by sitting on our ass and doing nothing. Even if you don&#39;t believe this will work.. do it for the rest of the p2p community.

[funny_bunny]

Recording any program "off-air" is legal if it is for your own personal use. It isn&#39;t always possible to be at home when a favourite program or movie is shown so the law allows "Time-shift" recording.
Yes, you are a criminal if you lend a film; in any format; to a friend. The licence agreement you accept when you buy the movie states clearly, "For private home use only".
There is no such thing as an ugly horse&#33; Or did you mean arse?

[gamemaster1342]

I sent my letter oh yeah

[TechSonic]

All I want to do is protect myself from the IRAA. I don&#39;t want them to see what files Im sharing.

I have a T1 for my website and most of it is used up from sharing files on kazaa. I was never able to do that long while back.

[Decoy Octopus]

IMO, what these RIAA bastards need to do, is get together street teams of some sort, and crack down on crime that way. Here&#39;s my logic:

1. P2P users aren&#39;t going to pay for a CD anyways, so there is no point in suing them.

2. People who buy bootlegged/mixed CD are spending money. THAT&#39;S KEY IN THIS SITUATION. This money could be otherwise spent buying legitmate CDs. It is THESE people that keep artists from getting paid (albeit a small amount).

I know everyone who lives in even a REMOTELY large city (I live in Jackson MS, and I see em all the time), has seen these people. You know, outside with a card table and a tupperware bins FULL of CDs. Most of the time you can see that they&#39;re just white Memorex CDs with a Sharpie on them.

But that&#39;s just my 87 cents.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by funny_bunny@27 July 2003 - 22:46
There is no such thing as an ugly horse&#33;
Just a goof, there was a law that was left on the books untill recently that said it was a crime if you owned an ugly horse, the law was very old.

Anyway I live in the US, and it is a matter that can be dragged into civil court pending damages. Though I wish it no longer, time to find a solution such as those at EFF. I will VOTE and WRITE untill a solution is reached to STOP making us criminals.

Altough if any of you are content with being a crimal, and wish to do nothing, bend over, empty your wallet and turn yourself in.
http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/malissa.jpg

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Lyrok]

www.k_lite.tk_Kazaa_Lite@Kazaa

how manny of u have that name? i just recently changed the defalt. from now on ima change it frequently. i wonder if their targeting all that had that name.

what do u guys think?

[dmorgan89]

your username makes no difference. You can change your name a thousand times a day, but it won&#39;t change your ip and thats how they identify you. I dont even know why they released those stupid usernames. All it will do is confuse people.

[Mr.Maniotis]

These email form letters are ignored by politicians. You would have better results taking the gist of it and mailing it seperately.

And the RIAA is doing the right thing. They are protecting the rights of those who create this stuff. The free ride has to end at some point. No one OWES you anything. If you are downloading copyrighted music/movies without paying for them, you are taking without compensating - even if you share with others - especially if you share with others.

Do you expect to be paid for the work you do? I would think so.

Why don&#39;t you admit it. Enjoy your free ride while you can, but don&#39;t denegrade the people who are trying to see to it that the rights of the producers of the products you enjoy get paid for it. Whether you like their fees or not. Saying it&#39;s too expensive is rationalization. You are looking for an excuse to get something for nothing.

You know what? I do download/share some songs. But I&#39;m a hypocrite. At least I admit it. When it has to end, I will accept it as something that should have been done.

There, that won&#39;t get anyone riled. Nope. Not a chance....

[Everose]

Originally posted by Mr.Maniotis@28 July 2003 - 09:55
These email form letters are ignored by politicians.&nbsp; You would have better results taking the gist of it and mailing it seperately.

And the RIAA is doing the right thing.&nbsp; They are protecting the rights of those who create this stuff.&nbsp; The free ride has to end at some point.&nbsp; No one OWES you anything.&nbsp; If you are downloading copyrighted music/movies without paying for them, you are taking without compensating - even if you share with others - especially if you share with others.

Do you expect to be paid for the work you do?&nbsp; I would think so.&nbsp;

Why don&#39;t you admit it.&nbsp; Enjoy your free ride while you can, but don&#39;t denegrade the people who are trying to see to it that the rights of the producers of the products you enjoy get paid for it.&nbsp; Whether you like their fees or not.&nbsp; Saying it&#39;s too expensive is rationalization.&nbsp; You are looking for an excuse to get something for nothing.

You know what?&nbsp; I do download/share some songs.&nbsp; But I&#39;m a hypocrite.&nbsp; At least I admit it.&nbsp; When it has to end, I will accept it as something that should have been done.

There, that won&#39;t get anyone riled.&nbsp; Nope.&nbsp; Not a chance....
Very well expressed post.

I do want to say that politicians do pay attention to form letters, but even more so the volume received. I do think it would help to write one&#39;s own feelings about the issue to representatives, though.

I have no problem saying I can be a hypocrite. I am not proud of that fact, and I don&#39;t think anyone really is, when they are being one.

I think there have been a lot of things that were illegal in the history of the US and there have been a lot of people that continued to do them, even though they were illegal. But at the same time, they pushed for legalization.

Being hypocritical is pretty common in we human beings. I used to tell my children candy was bad for them. They did not know about my hidden stash of chocolate&#33;&#33; ;)

[Soldier9596]

:ph34r: So then Mr. Maniotis, a hypocrite and a thief, 2 outstanding qualities, your a thief because you see "sharing" as wrong. Your a hypocrite because you leech from others. And now add COWARD to your list of attributes. File-sharing was alright in your mind as long as there was no legal consequence, now like the chicken shit you are, you switch your loyalties. In war your kind are called traitors. So Mr. Maniotis, contact the RIAA and be ready to write them a big fat check, bend over cause their coming home. Delete Kazaa, after all you dony know whos watching. ROFL Muhahahahahahaahahahahahah


PS. My letters in the mail.

[Everose]

I don&#39;t think that was Mr. Maniotis&#39;s intention at all, soldier.

I do think that he was trying to point out that if we want to effect change, name calling and denegrading the RIAA is a little counter-productive. And I agree to that.

For me to resort to name calling......that would be only when I let my emotions take over my mind, and usually follows my failing to be informed and knowing the facts of the issue. I sure try not to, because if I do, I always feel I have let the other guy win. ;)

[dmorgan89]

Yes so you are a hypocrite. But your not the only one. You think artists don&#39;t get free stuff. Artists have something we don&#39;t "fame". And that is thier excuse to get something free. Just because their famous they think it&#39;s ok to get something free, but no one else can.

Look... when you see artists like Justin Timerlake, and Dr. Dre and Metallica. Thier driving mercedes benz, they have huge houses and blow all their money on weed and diamonds. Yet they still have millions in banks. I&#39;m not saying thats bad or anything. It&#39;s thier money and they can do what they want with it. But when artists have all that for them then the fans just don&#39;t think it&#39;s right for them to go suing afterwards.

Hypocrite.
Dr. Dre sues napster for copyright infringement. Dr. Dre gets sued for copyright infringment. Sure Dr. Dre is a very talented artist and producer, but being famous doesn&#39;t give him the right to break the law, but we don&#39;t get to. Most artists do drugs and smoke weed. They&#39;re breaking the law. Do you ever see any of them in jail for it. Few.

Oh and politicians do not ignore these letters. Back in the napster case, i emailed my politician and got a response back.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Mr.Maniotis@28 July 2003 - 14:55
These email form letters are ignored by politicians. You would have better results taking the gist of it and mailing it seperately.

And the RIAA is doing the right thing. They are protecting the rights of those who create this stuff. The free ride has to end at some point. No one OWES you anything. If you are downloading copyrighted music/movies without paying for them, you are taking without compensating - even if you share with others - especially if you share with others.

Do you expect to be paid for the work you do? I would think so.

Why don&#39;t you admit it. Enjoy your free ride while you can, but don&#39;t denegrade the people who are trying to see to it that the rights of the producers of the products you enjoy get paid for it. Whether you like their fees or not. Saying it&#39;s too expensive is rationalization. You are looking for an excuse to get something for nothing.

You know what? I do download/share some songs. But I&#39;m a hypocrite. At least I admit it. When it has to end, I will accept it as something that should have been done.

There, that won&#39;t get anyone riled. Nope. Not a chance....
Where do I START...

Ok, were all hypocrits and criminal etc..
Blah Blah....

I DON"T CARE OR GIVE A...
Though I may even agree

It&#39;s not my stand here, I WILL wriite these SOB&#39;s because I do not feel that how this is being dealt with LEGALLY is approprate. The F**KERS at the AA have been offered many functional alternatives that are revenue generating and have refused all. Money is not nessisaraly their real issue, I think power is, since as the dinasour they are becoming, if artist start marketing directly they will be truly left empty handed.

Its just like when they tried to put radio out of business, betamax, tapes and so forth, and I imagine Congress will have to step in AGAIN (not the first time) and find or force a solution down these pigheaded retards throat, just like Congress did with the radio issue. This is why contacting your elected officials IS important.
I DON&#39;T WANT TO BE A CRIMINAL OR FEEL LIKE ONE, NOR DO ICARE FOR THE IDEA OF LOOKING OVER MY SHOULDER WITH PARANOIA.

Truth is I have had alot of the same feelings as you have stated, this is why I am looking towards a SOLUTION...

I am NOT here saying...
"CD&#39;s are to expensive dude" or
"Why pay for it if I can get for FREE" or
"We are stealing money out the artist pocket"
This CRAP offers NO solution, and frankly the first two are no better tahn what the AA is doing either.

I would hope that you had read http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php, there are very effective SOLUTIONS there, the one I liked, and thought was is very appropriate, was "Bandwidth Levies".

In addition, as to "enjoy it untill it ends"...
I will tell you when that will happen, but first...
Consider all the cracks and corners of the internet that this exsists
Consider all the things on the horizon yet to come
Consider areas where this could never be stopped

Thus a simple answer...

NEVER

[DarkBlizzard]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+25 July 2003 - 13:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 25 July 2003 - 13:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-REALITY@25 July 2003 - 19:28
1. Please read through it completely. There were many alternatives posted there, I would imagine we can decide on whats best later. I thought the idea of a licensing fee, similar to radio, at the ISP level may be good, though there were several ideas.

2. These people effect many of us including Australia and the UK, and others abroad, and it is in A L L our benifit to try and resolve and put this this to an end.
1. even the thought of a fee for filesharing is surely totally against the concept of filesharing itself? even if there are other alternatives, the main ones are paying for the service. why pay for something free??

2. the letter to mr congressmen is only available in the us. [/b][/quote]
Well duh....the RIAA is a USA Orgazition....not british or switz or something. So even if u live somewhere else send it&#33;

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by DarkBlizzard@29 July 2003 - 07:26
Well duh....the RIAA is a USA Orgazition....not british or switz or something. So even if u live somewhere else send it&#33;
why send it if it&#39;ll have no effect?

:blink:

[Generationace]

I sent my letter in and I am posting this link all over every forum I know so that

1. more people can join this forum
and
2. More peeps can send in their letter.

I run variouse websites and I put the link to this post on every1 of them eventhough my boss might catch a shitfit but he cant fire me :D I really hope we can all make a difference. Also we all wish we could keep P2P free but with money hungry pigs runing the country it wont happen so if we whant to keep P2P alive we may have to compromis. I mean whats &#036;5 a month? &#036;5 a month from lets say 60,000,000 users is &#036;300,000,000. Hopefully they will be happy with this. Well enough of my babling off to spread the word I go&#33; :zorro: :ninja: :nuke: B)

[Generationace]

hmmmmm...... I wonder. Whst would happen if I went and took all my friends info and sent in letters for them.

Even futher if printed about half a mill of these letters (from work :D ) and and handed them out with a preaddressed envelope with e-postage (also from work B) ) and asked people to just put their signatuer in and mail them.

Even further>> going in to mail databases (from work :flame: ) and wending a letter in for every singel person on the list.

Even further going online and hacking additional lists and sending a letter for every single person there.

I say that would increase the ammount of letters in.
I can also go around town and take addreses and make up names and send in more letters. See I live in NYC so I can do that (many appartment buildings :) )

[bobfred]

Hey, I would sign the letter, but:
1. I live in England, so some U.S. senator wont give 2 shits about me.
2. Im really gonna give my name and address so its easier for the record industry to find me.

Sharing music came about because of the extortionate prices that record labels put on their music, if the industry reduced the price of an album, more people would buy music and filesharing wouldn&#39;t be such a problem. When are the record labels going to work this out, because until they do, I will continue to share music that is either bought or from a copied cd.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by bobfred@31 July 2003 - 11:20
Hey, I would sign the letter, but:
1. I live in England, so some U.S. senator wont give 2 shits about me.
2. Im really gonna give my name and address so its easier for the record industry to find me.
1. Point taken, then don&#39;t if you don&#39;t care to.
This is also an issue in England, address your represenatives out there or
Do nothing and wait to take up the...

@3rd gen noob...
Same goes for you, your comments are USELESS.

2. Has the LEVEL of your PARANOIA become that RIDICULOUS...
http://thewizardofoz.warnerbros.com/movie/img/photos/photo3.jpg

Sharing music came about because of the extortionate prices that record labels put on their music, if the industry reduced the price of an album, more people would buy music and filesharing wouldn&#39;t be such a problem. When are the record labels going to work this out, because until they do, I will continue to share music that is either bought or from a copied cd.
Though thes may be true it NO longer matters, real solutions are needed.
I believe this is more about power and control than it is about money anyway.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by REALITY@31 July 2003 - 18:52
@3rd gen noob...
Same goes for you, your comments are USELESS.
that&#39;s a good thing right?

<_<

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?showtopic=58209

[mj5444]

Look... when you see artists like Justin Timerlake, and Dr. Dre and Metallica. Thier driving mercedes benz, they have huge houses and blow all their money on weed and diamonds. Yet they still have millions in banks.




I would send the letter although im 13.

Boo Hoo poor artists&#33;&#33;&#33; They have money coming out there asses and almost all of them love singing anyway&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; I think that there making this huge flucking deal and there still making billions of dollars a year and they can afford people downloading there music. People will still buy albums. I buy probably an album a month and i don&#39;t have any bootleg albums. I just download music so i can listen to it over and over and then i delete it.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by mj5444@1 August 2003 - 16:38
I would send the letter although im 13.
Then make your PARENTS do it.

@3rd gen noob...
Maybe Commom.

[FreakBoy]

What i am surprised at is that ads wernt suggested.

Millions of people use Kazaa

Do you have any idea how much you can charge for a single banner ad that would last 5 seconds and is guarenteed to be seen by 10s of millions of people? Probally as much as they charge for ads at the Super Bowl.

Thus,

Artists get paid and we get free music.

All we have to do is look at a few stupid ads

[RealitY]

Originally posted by FreakBoy@3 August 2003 - 02:36
What i am surprised at is that ads wernt suggested.
At http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php

Ad Revenue Sharing
Sites like the Internet Underground Music Archive, EMusic.com, and Artistdirect.com provide an online space for fans to listen to music streams, download files, and interact with artists. In the meantime, these fans are viewing advertisements on the site, and the revenues are split between the site and the copyright holders.

Like radio, the money that funds the pie comes from advertisers, not consumers. But unlike radio, artists are rewarded directly. And since these sites often host a page for member artists, other payment methods are possible at the same time. IUMA, for example, compensates artists for both ad views and song downloads.
Though I don&#39;t see Sharman and the AA working out anything at the moment.

[Raven Firewing]

I know this issue with banning P2P file sharing has been going on for quite a while, but I helped out in a way about a year ago with Internet Radio. I made all the contacts needed to try and do my part in stopping the issue of charging un-godly fees for something as simple as music. Well, today I joined this site and started to read some of the other pressing issues with P2P and that really bothered me that even though musicians in their own right deserve to be compensated for their work, I don&#39;t believe that making MULTI-millionaires out of them is neccesary. They still make a very large sum of money (more than i&#39;ll ever see) with the current CD sales as it is, so why are these people getting so money hungry? EVERY single musician out there were at one time normal and not uber rich, they only had talent above the average person. So does this reason and the fact that a recording label picked them up constitute them sueing the average Joe for money he doesn&#39;t have just because he has a few downloaded songs on his computer? Ask yourself that, then take the steps neccesary to squash this bill. I did and it took almost no time at all. Much thanks to Reality for posting multiple links to these sites that greatly broadened my knowledge. :)

[randyleepublic]

THE FILE SHARING MANIFESTO

So now the music industry greedheads want to play rough. What’s the matter, their coke dealer won’t front anymore? Those techno-ghouls have been living high on the hog for the past 100 years and now they’re upset because the river of gold is down 10%. If they want to play rough, so can we. The only reason they can afford to pay their lawyers is because we all still buy CDs.

There is only one proper response to the file sharing attack – a complete and total boycott of all new recorded music purchases. Imagine if you got a summons in the mail. We must support our file sharing brothers and sisters. I SAY NO PURCHASES OF ANY NEW CDS OR DOWNLOADS UNTIL THEY CHANGE THE LAW ON FILE SHARING&#33;&#33; If you want music go to a show, or buy or trade used CDs.

Copy this and spread the word&#33; :rtfm:

[Generationace]

I absolutly agree I constantly purchase new CD&#39;s but from now on NO PURCHASING&#33; I will start an absolute boycott amongst my contacts and myself I sugest everyone does the same start a boycott in your local area and/or community if they can afford to sue us they really dont need the money and if they run out of money they cant sue us. Remmember every time you purchase or pay for a song you are helping them sue a fellow P2P user. its time for the RIAA to stop their S**T. This will not happen if we dont allow it. They cant force you to purchase a CD&#33;

[randyleepublic]

Thankyou Generationace, It&#39;s nice to see that someone has some sense. As for those who are all worried about artist&#39;s royalties, they&#39;ve been brainwashed. Music is a performing art - the key word here is performing. If artists want to get paid, they need to perform. Not live like ghouls on the ghosts of old echos.
Besides the whole industry is only the result of a technical glitch where it was easy to record, but difficult to copy. Those days are over. They all need to accept the new paradigm or fade away.

Consider the artists who have been most commercially successful on recordings. They have almost all been destroyed by that success. On the other hand an old dope fiend like Jerry Garcia survived for years despite his self destructive ways, largely because his recordings were not money makers and he had to tour. :rtfm:

[Raven Firewing]

You are absolutely right in your own rights to boycott the purchase of new music, be it on CD, tape, or, god forbid, LP&#39;s&#33;&#33; But either way you must also realize one important aspect of our nations laws and how Lawyers do business. When you decide to sue someone on a "righteous" claim, the firm decides if the risks are worth it. Basically it costs the person sueing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to file a law suit against any party, as long as the firm that he&#092;she goes to agrees that the venture is worth the inherent risks. If they end up losing, no one is out any money except for the firm, generally speaking (different firms, different rules). If the plaintiff ends up winning the case, the defendent is liable for any and all costs of the hearing that the plaintiff filed for and the plaintiffs lawyers get a percentage of the judges ruling payment amount. So weather you boycott or not isn&#39;t the true issue here because anybody can sue anyone for damn near anything for practically nothing out of their pockets. I say, do what you must to try and stop the RIAA from banning P2P filesharing, but don&#39;t forget to take action at the governmental level or all might as well be in vain. Please take the time to ponder this and then decide if it is truely worth your while to keep a free country with a free information network, just that, FREE.

[randyleepublic]

I say, do what you must to try and stop the RIAA from banning P2P filesharing, but don&#39;t forget to take action at the governmental level or all might as well be in vain. From Raven Firewing

I don&#39;t understand what you mean here. I thought that taking action at the governmental level was the whole idea of a boycott. Each consumer votes with his or her wallet, (the only vote that counts), and the forces that actually control the government respond with real action. The manifesto says "UNTIL THEY CHANGE THE LAW ON FILE SHARING", not drop the lawsuit or some such weak appeasement. If the law is changed, isn&#39;t that action at the governmental level?
:rtfm:

[FreakBoy]

If CD sales suddenly drop the RIAA can point to it as filesharing putting the companies out of business.

If sales get too low then they could spend stampede alot of laws though Congress.

[randyleepublic]

Originally posted by FreakBoy@4 August 2003 - 06:02
If CD sales suddenly drop the RIAA can point to it as filesharing putting the companies out of business.

If sales get too low then they could spend stampede alot of laws though Congress.
That&#39;s the whole idea - CD sales have to drop through the floor to get our point across. They have to understand that we&#39;re not going to take this lying down. Maybe at first they won&#39;t get it. Maybe they&#39;ll pass the laws you&#39;re afraid of, but as the boycott continues, (And maybe spreads to games and movies, if it has to), then they will have to cry uncle&#33; It will only work if enough people get behind it, but if we stand together on this, they will have to give up. Look, if they intimidate you, they&#39;ve won - you might as well throw your modem in the trash. This is war and we have to go all out&#33;&#33;

[dragon_16]

quick question. does anyone think that some musicans use p2p file sharing programs?

[RealitY]

So are you folks sending these letters...
http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2713 (http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=2713).

[Generationace]

While I was doing all this movement and stuff I wondered... Can and will anyone come after P2P for software reasons because I download ALL my software from kazaa and it would really suck if I had to start paying for my VERY expensive taste for software.

[NightStalker]

Originally posted by REALITY@4 August 2003 - 08:44
So are you folks sending these letters...
http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2713 (http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=2713).
I have. :beerchug:

[FreakBoy]

Having CD sales drop too low might show our resolve, but it will also cause the RIAA to crack down even harder. We want to find a way to get free music w/o them crackin down

[randyleepublic]

The bottom line is that recorded music is a technical novelty that has almost nothing to do with the artistry of music. The only reason that the industry got so powerful is that, due to a temporary discontinuity in the technology, making an original recording was relatively much easier than making an exact copy of that recording. That discontinuity is over and there is nothing that they can do about it.

Recorded music is a great promotional tool to sell the real product - the performance. The artists who realize that will prosper. The others are doomed anyway. Look at the history of Rock and Roll. The artists who made a lot of money recording were almost universally destroyed by that success. The artists who didn’t, but kept performing, had long and financially rewarding careers in spite of lifestyles that would have left a normal person a wreck in no time. .

I’m not saying that I should be able to copy a CD and sell it on the street, but digital copy of a sound wave is just about the most insubstantial possible form of property imaginable. After all what are we talking about, but a string of 0s and 1s. Carpenters don’t get paid for a videotape of them building last house that they built. They have to get up off of their asses and build another one. Every other job is the same. Why should musicians be awarded this windfall? Live performances are lucratively rewarded. They have nothing to complain about.

The truth is that there is no way to control the proliferation of digital files anymore. All the p2ps have to do is incorporate IP re-direction into their software. Unless they shut down the Internet, it can’t be stopped for long. There are bigger businesses that the RIAA that will never let that happen. But, this campaign by the industry is probably going to cause some real nasty pain for a few unlucky individuals. That cannot be tolerated. I say boycott all music purchases, except used physical media, until file sharing is completely protected by law. Any other stand is too weak, and only coddles those who would still attempt the ghoulish and greedy practice of living off of the ghosts of past performances.

[Bryanhoop]

1) I like Ben Harper&#39;s music, although I would never buy his CD while he is under the RIAA. He has told interviewers that he is not going to renew his contract and join an indie label...the moment he does, I&#39;m getting his CD. I think that we need to support more artists that have said "enough&#33;" with the RIAA taking their profits...I think they would be much happier if I downloaded their album off of K-Lite and then sent them 5 bucks in the mail...they&#39;d be making at least 5 times what they normally would off of a CD...I&#39;d be happy as hell too, knowing I save 10-15 bucks off retail, and that I was directly supporting the artists. All it&#39;s going to take is a few big name artists to go solo (in marketing, of course) to show the others that it is possible to make bank without the RIAA.

2) I recieved a signed letter from my representative a few years ago (I was 15 at the time) that said how she was aware that I was into the legality of P2P (which I was, but how the FFFF did she know???), and if I would like to discuss my position at a meeting. Of course I didn&#39;t take up the offer, because of my age, but it goes to show that some are willing to listen and bend their views to the public&#39;s will. They are there to serve you...their job is to stay in office, that&#39;s how they make money, and most, contrary to popular belief, aren&#39;t puppets for big business. If they don&#39;t reflect the public&#39;s view, they lose...and they can&#39;t carry out their agendas, regardless of what stance they take.

[kazoo]

Randyleepublic--

I don&#39;t buy the &#39;it&#39;s nothing more than a string of 0s and 1s argument&#39;. The same thing could be said for a bank account.
While it&#39;s true that a traditional salsa band can do live performances, how is someone who just programs drum machines and tape loops, supposed to do a live performance? What if some of the rhythms and note speeds aren&#39;t even playable by human beings?
Also, I&#39;d say much of the artistry of today&#39;s music is in the recording process. What reverbs to use, which microphones to pick, what type of room the sound is recorded in, splicing and pasting parts of performances, tediously tracking multiple instruments... These are all part of the art of the recording process. I think your argument for the recording process would have been more true in say, 1920 when a recording was essentially just a recording of a live performance.
Having said all this, since most major recording artists only get about 5 percent of their record sales, I could certainly see lowering the cost of a &#036;15 cd to 75 cents. Of course, this doesn&#39;t solve the problem of stealing from someone like Ani Difranco or Aimee Mann who I&#39;m pretty sure aren&#39;t with any major labels.

[randyleepublic]

Hi Kazoo,

The point is that a recording is now something that is too ephemeral to consider the kind of work product that a person can reasonably expect to get paid for. There are artists who arange spagetti on a plate. It may be art, but they don&#39;t expect to get paid for it. If a musician insists on working in a style that cannot be performed live that&#39;s their esthetic decision, just don&#39;t call out the goon squad to try to collect money for a recording of the sounds. A bank account is only 0s and 1s, but unless it is loaded in the proper platform, it&#39;s also worthless. I could have stacks of copies of bank account files, without access to the bank&#39;s network those files aren&#39;t worth anything either. Certainly I appreciate the work of many artists and buy the CD&#39;s at their shows, (I used to anyways, not now - not until my brothers and sisters are no longer in any lawyer&#39;s sights). I just don&#39;t think that copying a file is theft. Come on, 90% of music is "inspired" by someone else&#39;s work anyways. I&#39;m sorry that the recording = money gravy train is over, but musicians are going to have to do what other artists do and channel their work accordingly or not worry about it

While there are aguments on both sides, the mere fact that it is such a arguable question makes it an issue that should only be left up to individual people&#39;s consciences. But right now there are people who are about to be put through a lot of grief for doing something that they and millions of others agree is innocent. They don&#39;t deserve it and the only thing we can do to help them is support the botcott&#33;&#33;

How would you like to get a summons in the mail? Are you 100% unlicensed copy free? Throw the first stone or help out and boycott&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Will_518]

I agree. Sadly it seems the only thing we can do to help out right now is to start a war, and boycott CDs untill RIAA is will to open their ears and listen.

According to Kazoo, Artists only get paid 5% of profit from CD sales,so I don&#39;t see why a liscenced distribution system wouldn&#39;t work.

Surely every file sharer is willing to pay &#036;1.5/month -- &#036;3/month to d/l music(10-20% a cd&#39;s price, that&#39;s equvenlent to each FSer paying the artist 2 -- 4 cd&#39;s money every month; how many people buy 4cds every month?) &#036;1.5 to download their favourite music from the net; compared to the &#036;15/month we pay just to surf the net, &#036;1.5 is nothing for all the music you want. But the artists are not earning any less than they were b4.
The only ppl who will be bankrupt from something like this will be orgs like RIAA.

So, i say Support the boycott&#33; Support fair file sharing&#33;&#33; DOWN WITH RIAA&#33;&#33;&#33;

[funny_bunny]

So? A Dollar-fifty for downloading songs. Eh.
Not a Quid-fifty, please note. Or a Euro-fifty or a Drachma-fifty; or even a Globlle-fifty from the planet Drubellastmarkeltarius. Oh no, it has to be a fucking buck-fifty.
I honestly do Love the Americans. Their genuine warmth, their hospitaltity and their generosity; and most of all their (often) wicked sense-of-humour.
But dear God how I hate their fucking arrogance.
Mind you, many years ago during the Iran crisis an Iranian Cleric was asked by a CNN correspondent; "who really rules Iran"? and recieved the reply; "Ayatollah Dollar"&#33; Such is Life&#33;

So what&#39;s my point. O.K.
I do subscribe to a web site that allows me to download music in mp3, wma or ogg vorbis and at bit-rates up to 386 kbs.
And that is why I subscribe. In one word. Quality&#33;
Any mp3 at a bit rate lower than 192 kbs is, quite simply, crap.
99% of everything on Kazaa is 128 or less, so from a CD quality point of listening it is abysmally poor. What it does, however, is allow users to hear music by artists that they would never buy because they would probably never hear of them. If they like what they hear they would, I feel, and for the most, part go out and buy albums by that artist, or at least, find out what else was available.
I had never heard of &#39;Rondo Veneziano&#39; or &#39;Gregorian; Masters of Chant&#39;.
When I did, and became familiar with their music I bought it at HMV. 5 albums in 8 months.

So, if the RIAA are monitoring this forum, get wise and leave the kids alone.
What they&#39;re downloading is just good fun. They are not what is damaging sales.
The ridiculous price being charged is&#33;&#33; Nobody can afford them any more&#33;
If people are successfully prosecuted and fined, or even, God forbid, be sent to jail, they wont blame the faceless,nameless RIAA. They will blame the artists that
the RIAA are representing. They will blame Madonna, They will blame Fifty cent and J Lo, they will blame Rob.... I&#39;m sorry, I have to say, it no matter how painful it is, Robbie Williams&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
I can see the headlines in The Sun now

TENNAGERS JAILED FOR ROBBI[NG] WILLIAMS&#33;

Fifty million in the bank and five houses aren&#39;t enough? You have to take the only Dollar-fifty I got.
On that note [and a half] I&#39;d like to say; "Hasta la Vista, Baby"&#33; but I&#39;d be sued for copyright infringement if I did, and Arnie is NOT the man I want to mess with so I&#39;ll wimp out with Goodnight, folks&#33;

[Will_518]

I&#39;m sorry i have to say this:

I&#39;m not American, I&#39;ve never lived or even been to America in my life. I&#39;m Chinese by nationality and currently lives in UK :P , so I don&#39;t think American arrogance would apply here.
I only used the US dollar because most people can identify with it, everyone aroung the world knows how much a dollar is roughly, a big pack of crisps, 6 chocolate bars in a multi sale, a ice cream on a hot day by the beach... Had I used Yen, Yuan or pound I think people would get confused. How many people knows how much a ROC Yuan is worth in real life terms? How many of them are on this forum? Not many. So, i just used &#036; because it&#39;s simpler and clearer.

Yeah, mp3s on Kazaa are not good quality, most are 128kb/s, some even 64kb/s; but as the saying goes "the more you pay, the more you get." &#036;1.5 a month for a lot of medium quality music is worth it, at least in my opinion. You can listen to it as backgroud music when surfing the net, playing games, even when doing homework essays; as long as you don&#39;t make CDs with them, most people wouldn&#39;t know the difference. Of course, people will still buy quality CDs for the songs they like; and some people will always think quality is everything. But the difference with file sharing is, everyone will be listening to a lot more music, people will have a lot more choice.

I think file sharing is good for everybody, common people, music artist, and music as a whole; (everybody except orgs like RIAA of course). File sharing really brings music to the people.
150 years ago, if someone wanted to listen to music, they had to go to a concert; then came records, that didn&#39;t stop people going to the concerts; then came the radio, which brought music to people&#39;s homes, at first the records companies tried to sue it to hell, but the radio actually increased record sales; Then there came TV, Cable TV, Sat TV, Internet radio, each of them does the same thing as Napster, Kazaa, Emule... -- bring music to the people, but did any of them push cassetts or CDs out of business? No, instead, they most probably increased CD sales. So, I don&#39;t see the difference between what Kazaa is today and what radio was in the 20s and 30s.
RIAA is like a cockroach trying to stop the wheel of human advance, it will inevitably fail.
But the big question is how many innocent people will be sued, get fined, or even go to prison before RIAA fails?&#33;

[RealitY]

I truly believe that Congress will step in shortly with the latest madness involving SBC (http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/31/technology/music_subpoenas.reut/). A recent email I got from EFF...

* Pacific Bell Sues Recording Industry for Customer Privacy

Electronic Frontier Foundation Supports ISP Resistance

San Francisco - The Electronic Frontier Foundation applauds a lawsuit
brought by Pacific Bell Internet Services on July 31 against three
organizations that are manipulating copyright laws to violate the privacy
of ISP customers.

The case concerns 97 subpoenas directed to Pacific Bell over the past two
weeks. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has issued
thousands of subpoenas to various ISPs, seeking the identity of music fans
who use peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing networks.

The lawsuit alleges that the RIAA, along with MediaForce, a company that
issues millions of "cease-and-desist" letters to ISPs, and Titan Media, a
gay-themed adult entertainment company, have distorted certain provisions
of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) in an attempt to force
Pacific Bell to breach its customers&#39; privacy.

Pacific Bell seeks a declaration from the court that any further subpoenas
and cease-and-desist letters for peer-to-peer file sharing activity must
follow some court-established safeguards ensuring that there is some
evidence of illegal activity before divulging personal information about
ISP customers.

"The misuse of the subpoena process by an adult entertainment company
emphasizes the potential for abuse with insufficient privacy protections in
the law," explained EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn. "Without vetting by any
court, companies can issue subpoenas that disclose the identities of
targeted individuals and link their names to gay-themed adult porn, making
it impossible for them to regain their privacy later even if the
allegations are patently false."

This case highlights the privacy problems that led over 44 organizations to
join with EFF in opposing the subpoena process in a similar case involving
Verizon in Washington, DC, currently pending before a federal appeals
court.

"The DC Court dismissed our concerns about subpoena process abuse as
premature," added EFF Staff Attorney Gwen Hinze. "The California Court will
have an opportunity to consider critical privacy concerns in light of the
thousands of subpoenas the RIAA has issued as a clear abuse of the subpoena
process."

The RIAA&#39;s crusade has already drawn the concerned attention of Congress.
Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN) recently announced an investigation into the
issuance of the subpoenas and the threatened lawsuits.

EFF applauds both Pacific Bell and Senator Coleman and urges concerned
citizens to learn more about ways to make filesharing legal while getting
artists paid at our Let the Music Play Campaign.

Links
For this release:
http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/20030731_eff_pr.php

Complaint in Pacific Bell v. RIAA case:
http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/PacBell_v_RIAA.pdf

RIAA v. The People:
http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/riaa-v-thepeople.php

Story about Senator Norm Coleman&#39;s inquiry:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,...3,59862,00.html (http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59862,00.html)

EFF Let the Music Play campaign:
<http://www.eff.org/share/
It would be very nice to see other ISP&#39;s follow suit, since they actually stand to loose quite a chunck of income if this goes the wrong way. No P2P, or P2P while looking over ones shoulder, and many of us will walk, especially broadband users. I have recently been contacting the legal departments of various ISP&#39;s to see what stand they are taking on this, most seem irratated and are atad neutral still yet. I would suggest in addition to the letters and boycotts, address those in charge at your ISP and let them know how you feel, and that you will walk if they fudge on this matter.

In truth the ISP&#39;s at the moment can be our strongest supporter here or become our biggest problem. I think the ISP&#39;s are willing and ready to stand behind us on this one, so let them know how you feel as well.

[christovan]

(so i havent posted a lot who cares?)

I dont know if this has been mentioned in this post before, but i have seen it "in-between" the lines.

Why should we have to pay almost &#036;20.00 for music that costs about 15 cents a copy to make (CD&#39;s) ? I see it this way, the RIAA deservers all this filesharing shit thats out there, its thier fault because they charge soo much for the fucking CD. maybee if they thought about lowering cd prices to like 5 bucks people would consider buying them. I know that if i Downloaded something that I like from kazaa lite or wherever i would end up buying a real copy of it for 5 bucks. because tehre are a lot of people out tehre who are lazy and would end up buying th ecd just so they dont have to check the mp3 files and make sure tehya re real no skips etc.... Filesharing should remain free and it will end up remaining free. The RIAA is just another corp. that thinks the average US citizen is dumb, and will pay outragous prices for music that costs a fraction of its cost to produce&#33;

and im finally done B)

[esmusic]

Hola,

I have attained some movies that have [smr] tags in the title

i cannot view movies that say [smr] in the title.......
is this some new type of file?

new media [smr]?

what is [smr]

..........jose

[wormless]

i agree with chrisvan, they dnt cost much 2 make but we pay a fortune in shops jus 4 something were not gonna listen2 everyday.they should lower the prices and anyway we have shops tht sell them cheaper than most retail stores.

[syboro]

im from australia so i cant send a letter but good on you to all those that can&#33; And just a little side note to those who shall remain un-named.....a thankyou to those who are trying to do something would be nice........ after all they are in effect helping all of us here&#33;&#33;

[echidna]

As another Australian i applaud Reality for this constructive encouragement to all of the US members of the forum to act. To all the Americans who say they can&#39;t be bothered, i say to you &#39;apathetic people like you are what is most wrong with the USA get off your fat asses and stand up for yourselves. Of course the government won&#39;t listen to mutes.&#39;
I hope similar possibilities for UK, Australian and other nationalities will be posted as they become available. [ARIA is joining the RIAA in this insanity]
But as with many issues in the world today if the USA relents then the rest of the world will follow

Fight the power&#33;

[Mr.Maniotis]

Originally posted by REALITY@25 July 2003 - 10:23
Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music. This is now officially out of hand, with lists of usernames to be sued
For loving music? No, for stealing music and distributing it to others to steal. Be honest with yourself. Don&#39;t blame the RIAA for attempting to enforce the law. Instead work on the musicians, producers, artists, marketing people, distributors, etc. - you know, those who produce the music you love - to do it for free&#33;

Or, work on changing the current world monetary system where people need to be paid for the work they produce in order to make a living.

Or, convince them to take as little money for doing this work as they can get away with. This way, you wouldn&#39;t be able to complain about the cost of buying their product. Of course, that would mean you would have to go to your boss and ask to have your pay reduced to the bare minimum. That would only be fair, yes?

If you accomplish that, you will be my hero&#33;

Good luck&#33;

[RealitY]

Double Post

[RealitY]

Do you believe the crime fits the supposed punishiment.
Do you believe there isn&#39;t a better solution such at those suggested at...
http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php

Do you believe the artist is losing income due to file sharing.
Do you believe they lost income due to radio and vcrs as well...
Or did radio and other medias they claimed as the enemy actually help them profit.

Do you believe the AA is justified in their assult on the public...
Then make sure you don&#39;t let your friend borrow that new DVD you got.
Throw away your VCR, your Betamax, your DAT, your Tape Deck, turn off your Radio.
Oh, and according to the folks at the AA your CDR is the the enemy, throw it away.
Might as well chuck your Computer while your at it along with all Technology.

Oh, and by the way it is NOT stealing on any level, it is refered to as copyright infringement.

Also the idea, or thought, of it being distrubution is also now being challanged by the Jane Doe case...
Read http://zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/08132003c.php.

"Distribution implies sending, rather than leaving something where it may be taken,"

As for blaming them, I only blame them for being ignorant fools for 100 years.
With the mentallity of being a common street thug running an insurance racket.
I think the idea of "Copyproof (http://news.com.com/2100-1027-994565.html)" is where they have some brains working for them.

The only thing I wish to be accomplished is an end to the madness and kaos...
That is subject to the Public, the ISP&#39;s, the Courts, and...
Also Our Right To Privacy.

[A2Z4Me]

Hey REALITY. Good for U. Stealing. don&#39;t think so&#33;&#33;&#33; Hey letter of the law. heh heh. Maybe I&#39;m off. But heres another view. I have bought music since 1965. I&#39;ve bought videos since 1990? Of course various Media. it wasn&#39;t called media then. But My understanding is the purchase includes a license. How many times do I have to pay for a license? My vinyl collection was 370 plus way back when. Then there was 8track and cassette, then there was CD. How many times do I have pay for it? The same stuff&#33;

OK OK I paid for it 2-3 times same songs same sh*t. And I hear it free on radio. And I pay & play it in the jukebox. I pay and pay. enough. ENOUGH.

IM BROKE.

[Mr.Maniotis]

Originally posted by REALITY@15 August 2003 - 03:33
Do you believe the crime fits the supposed punishiment.
Do you believe there isn&#39;t a better solution such at those suggested at...
http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php

Do you believe the artist is losing income due to file sharing.
Do you believe they lost income due to radio and vcrs as well...
Or did radio and other medias they claimed as the enemy actually help them profit.

Do you believe the AA is justified in their assult on the public...
Then make sure you don&#39;t let your friend borrow that new DVD you got.
Throw away your VCR, your Betamax, your DAT, your Tape Deck, turn off your Radio.
Oh, and according to the folks at the AA your CDR is the the enemy, throw it away.
Might as well chuck your Computer while your at it along with all Technology.

Oh, and by the way it is NOT stealing on any level, it is refered to as copyright infringement.

Also the idea, or thought, of it being distrubution is also now being challanged by the Jane Doe case...
Read http://zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/08132003c.php.

"Distribution implies sending, rather than leaving something where it may be taken,"

As for blaming them, I only blame them for being ignorant fools for 100 years.
With the mentallity of being a common street thug running an insurance racket.
I think the idea of "Copyproof (http://news.com.com/2100-1027-994565.html)" is where they have some brains working for them.

The only thing I wish to be accomplished is an end to the madness and kaos...
That is subject to the Public, the ISP&#39;s, the Courts, and...
Also Our Right To Privacy.
First off - I respect your intelligent response, as opposed to what I expected from some of the self righteous venom spewers we find here. Here is my response to yours.

1) The punishment fits the crime. If you knowingly take the risk of copyright infringement (yes, it is stealing), then whose fault is it if you get caught and have to pay the price. There is no punishment if you don&#39;t do it.

2)I don&#39;t know - I haven&#39;t visited that site yet.

3)Yes, they are losing income due to file sharing. You know that. Or you should know that. And they should not lose income. There are more than the artists involved here. Many people work at producing these products. Not all get rich, but it is how they make a living. I am tired, too, of people complaining how the record companies and artists make too much money. It&#39;s the classic success envy. They don&#39;t make money by forcing people to buy what they don&#39;t want to buy. They make it by successfully creating something people want. And success deserves reward. If you don&#39;t believe that, stop by the produce market to pick up some fresh grapes. Those sour ones are doing you no good.

4)Radio play is different. It is desired by the producers of music. They hope it leads to record sales. Someone hears a song they like and want to hear the whole CD. In order to do that, they are supposed to buy it. It keeps the music industry running. What good is it to them if people just download the music for free? How do they benefit?

5) The RIAA is not assaulting the public. They are trying to force them to respect the existing copyright laws. If they asked nicely, would anyone stop? No. So they are taking the necessary steps to represent those who produce the music we so enjoy. Again, it&#39;s not just the rich artists we are talking about here.

Letting your friend listed to a CD is different than saying, "Here is a CD for ALL of you who want it. Now you don&#39;t have to buy it&#33;" With all due respect, and I do respect your position (just disagree), you know that there is a difference.

6) Throwing away my computer is a little rash, don&#39;t you think? The music industry was not concerned about an individual making a copy for themself or a friend. What happened was they were blindsided by the leap in P2P technology and recognized a threat to the rights of those who produce music to be compensated. As an artist, who makes a living at it, I would be livid if someone made a copy of my work and gave it out to thousands of people for free&#33; I would be forced to go into another line of work. Having my work hang in a museum where people can view it without buying it is the equivalent of a musician having their music played on the radio where people could here it without paying for it. Like the musician, I would hope that the exposure would lead to more commissions.

And I sure as hell would be rooting for whatever agency took the steps to protect my rights to be compensated for what I do.

Lastly, the difference between active distribution and making something available for anyone to steal? (Jane Doe case) That&#39;s just lawyers bending words, as they do all too well. The end result is the same.

[RealitY]

1) The punishment fits the crime. If you knowingly take the risk of copyright infringement (yes, it is stealing), then whose fault is it if you get caught and have to pay the price. There is no punishment if you don&#39;t do it.
Do you even know what the suggested punishment is?
Well its &#036;150,00 per song uploaded.

2)I don&#39;t know - I haven&#39;t visited that site yet.
Look, it may open your eyes.

3)Yes, they are losing income due to file sharing. You know that. Or you should know that. And they should not lose income. There are more than the artists involved here. Many people work at producing these products. Not all get rich, but it is how they make a living. I am tired, too, of people complaining how the record companies and artists make too much money.
Why is it not shown on their income/loss statements, its a lie, they are NOT.
This appears to be about power and control more than about money.
Many artist are openly saying that they HAVE profited directly due to filesharing.
The ones making a living that may suffer is the exutes nephew on an open payroll.
I don&#39;t care how much they make, and as I&#39;ve said, anyonyone that spews that carap, needs to shutup.

4)Radio play is different. It is desired by the producers of music. They hope it leads to record sales. Someone hears a song they like and want to hear the whole CD. In order to do that, they are supposed to buy it. It keeps the music industry running. What good is it to them if people just download the music for free? How do they benefit?
I could easily argue that point, you listen, you like, you buy.
Perhaps tell a freind and get a shirt or a poster or go see the show.
Point is these idiots tried to shut down radio as well, do you homework.
They though it was the enemy as well at one time.

5) The RIAA is not assaulting the public. They are trying to force them to respect the existing copyright laws. Letting your friend listed to a CD is different than saying, "Here is a CD for ALL of you who want it. Now you don&#39;t have to buy it&#33;" With all due respect, and I do respect your position (just disagree), you know that there is a difference.
Pure ASSULT through the manipulation of the DCMA and its originally intended purpose.
ASSULT on the Public, the ISP&#39;s, the Courts and so forth without care for a solution.
Read number two as stated earlier, they neglect to want to resolve anything.
This is why this appears to be a clear cut case of power and control.
My REAL position is THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

[Mr.Maniotis]

Originally posted by REALITY@16 August 2003 - 04:09


3)Yes, they are losing income due to file sharing. You know that. Or you should know that. And they should not lose income. There are more than the artists involved here. Many people work at producing these products. Not all get rich, but it is how they make a living. I am tired, too, of people complaining how the record companies and artists make too much money.
Why is it not shown on their income/loss statements, its a lie, they are NOT.
This appears to be about power and control more than about money.
Many artist are openly saying that they HAVE profited directly due to filesharing.
The ones making a living that may suffer is the exutes nephew on an open payroll.
I don&#39;t care how much they make, and as I&#39;ve said, anyonyone that spews that carap, needs to shutup.

4)Radio play is different. It is desired by the producers of music. They hope it leads to record sales. Someone hears a song they like and want to hear the whole CD. In order to do that, they are supposed to buy it. It keeps the music industry running. What good is it to them if people just download the music for free? How do they benefit?
I could easily argue that point, you listen, you like, you buy.
Perhaps tell a freind and get a shirt or a poster or go see the show.
Point is these idiots tried to shut down radio as well, do you homework.
They though it was the enemy as well at one time.

5) The RIAA is not assaulting the public. They are trying to force them to respect the existing copyright laws. Letting your friend listed to a CD is different than saying, "Here is a CD for ALL of you who want it. Now you don&#39;t have to buy it&#33;" With all due respect, and I do respect your position (just disagree), you know that there is a difference.
Pure ASSULT through the manipulation of the DCMA and its originally intended purpose.
ASSULT on the Public, the ISP&#39;s, the Courts and so forth without care for a solution.
Read number two as stated earlier, they neglect to want to resolve anything.
This is why this appears to be a clear cut case of power and control.
My REAL position is THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY.
The RIAA did NOT try and put a stop to radio play. It is too easy to make unvalidated statements here. Show me where you got this information. This taints your argument and you should drop that point if you want to be taken seriously.

It is not a case of power and control. It is a case of enforcement.

And how do you know what is shown on the income statements? It is none of your business anyway. The artists and recording companies own the rights to these songs. Even if they weren&#39;t losing money by pirates (and they are - why else would this be happening?), they have every right to prevent free distrubution. They own the rights&#33; It&#39;s theirs&#33; It belongs to them to do with what they wish&#33; You do not own the rights. You can not dictate how the producers of this product distribute their product. I know you would like to, but legally, and morally, you can not.

And the RIAA has every right to use the methods necessary to track down the perpetrators that the perpetrators use to commit the offense.

Self righteousness is an ugly trait and indefensible.

[RealitY]

Unfortunattly I got dumped off the board before finishing...

6) Throwing away my computer is a little rash, don&#39;t you think? Like the musician, I would hope that the exposure would lead to more commissions.
Not harsh at all, just making a point that they would prefer it that way.
They would make you if they could twsist an act such as the DCMA to their needs.
EXPOSURE, couldn&#39;t P2P acomplish that.

And I sure as hell would be rooting for whatever agency took the steps to protect my rights to be compensated for what I do.
As so will I root for anyone defending my RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

Lastly, the difference between active distribution and making something available for anyone to steal? (Jane Doe case) That&#39;s just lawyers bending words, as they do all too well. The end result is the same.
Bend away I say, as they are bending the DCMA to supenoa users identies without even a Court order or showing how they have even aquired the information they have gathered.

First off - I respect your intelligent response
Well, Thanks.

I will find the articles regarding others.

[Digital Jammer]

Awesome post REALITY. Very informative indeed.

However, I must point out that like every username on that bust list from TechTV was a Kazaa username. It seems to me that Kazaa is the entire focus of the RIAA, and I must question why there isnt at least one user (or something that infers a non Kazaa p2p user) that wasnt on Kazaa.

Frankly, with so much mp3 swaping via other p2p programs (WinMx is a biggie) I just dont understand the RIAA&#39;s entire Kazaa obsession.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Mr.Maniotis+16 August 2003 - 14:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mr.Maniotis &#064; 16 August 2003 - 14:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The RIAA did NOT try and put a stop to radio play. It is too easy to make unvalidated statements here. Show me where you got this information. This taints your argument and you should drop that point if you want to be taken seriously. [/b]
<!--QuoteBegin-EFF
Voluntary Collective Licensing
This is how the "problem" of radio was ultimately resolved (only after copyright owners gave up on trying to sue it out of existence, of course). A "performing rights organization" (PRO) was formed, songwriters and music publishers were invited to join, and blanket licenses were given to any and all radio stations that wanted them.[/quote]
I think the mentallity at the time was that people would listen to Radio and stop buying the music or perhaps something along those lines. If I am not mistaken there is a current campaign that has shut down, by bruteforce such as threat of lawsuits, some internet radio medias as well.

It is not a case of power and control. It is a case of enforcement.
I think comes down to a matter of opinion, after their track record I guess you could say its enforcement at any avenue or chance they can get at perhaps. They&#39;ve lost battles in the past, such as vcr, betamax, and so forth, and are setting themselves up again.

Although I guess I should give them credit for manipulating and generating additional income through media such as CDR&#39;s which they get revenue for regardless of their use. I feel this may be their aggenda in the end regarding filesharing as well to extract additional income from sources such as the makers of P2P and ISP&#39;s through possible Bandwidth Levies. Truth is that could be considered FAIR.

And how do you know what is shown on the income statements? You can not dictate how the producers of this product distribute their product. I know you would like to, but legally, and morally, you can not.
I think they would&#39;ve shown those losses publicly if it exsisted just to substantiate their point.

Also I&#39;m not trying to dictate anything. This is clear cut case of REALITY, do you think think the actions they are taking are SANE, no they are INSANE, to try and sue countless millions of people overloading ISP&#39;s, Courts, and attempting to ruin peoples lives. There are better alternatives.

Technology changes, as it has in this case, and you don&#39;t adapt, well get lost. They had their chance to become a part of Napster when it was a centrilized system and possibly control and charge for the media going throug it, instead they chose to shut it down and create a bigger monster, KaZaa, a decentralized system.

If they continue this campaign, filesharing through animonity will flourish quickly, using proxies, bouncers, IP spoofing , and other means to hide users identies. There are thousands that are dedicated to creating this type of software. This will also give many who are involved in severe illegal activity a safe haven to hide as well. Point here is if you take down the beast, such as Napster, there is bigger one to come, such as KaZaa, and even bigger ones on the horizon. Some P2P applications are already using proxies and offering direct downloads of copyright material from their servers.

And the RIAA has every right to use the methods necessary to track down the perpetrators that the perpetrators use to commit the offense.
Perhaps, but as I&#39;ve said there are better alternatives, CLEARLY.

Self righteousness is an ugly trait and indefensible.
I&#39;m sorry, who is actually being self righteous here, I am only looking for a solution and an end to the madness and kaos, as I imagine Congrees will soon agree with as well, I know there is already some getting involed in looking for a solution.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Digital Jammer@16 August 2003 - 16:12
Awesome post REALITY. Very informative indeed.

However, I must point out that like every username on that bust list from TechTV was a Kazaa username. It seems to me that Kazaa is the entire focus of the RIAA, and I must question why there isnt at least one user (or something that infers a non Kazaa p2p user) that wasnt on Kazaa.
Simple, Fast Track is the largest having 3 million plus user on at any time according to Slyck. (http://www.slyck.com/index.php).

Oh, And Thanks.

[Sparkle1984]

And the RIAA has every right to use the methods necessary to track down the perpetrators that the perpetrators use to commit the offense.

:( :( NO WAY&#33;&#33;&#33;

@ Mr Maniotis, why are you even on this site if you are just going to stick up for the poor starving executives at the RIAA?
They are invading people&#39;s privacy.
They were given many chances to negotiate on a deal, but they refused so they should just stop whingeing&#33;&#33; They are only making it worse for themselves. They will never be able to stop filesharing, and if they try to shut one network down, many more will appear.

[internet.news]

hey guys,

we have to share our thought openly to understand each other better.
ALSO OFFLINE&#33;&#33;&#33; It is quite important in everyday life also if it is difficult sometimes :)

I would be glad to see a gread ad in tv about kazaa :) like:
"for a better world, for a better understanding.

- share your thoughts and your life. share files"
Or an ad in the newspaper or on the street, I mean the great ads close to
the highway :) nice, right? only a little bit expensive but WORTH&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

The other thing I am intersting in is meeting other Kazaa Users
in my area :) so who of you reading this is living in Nuremberg?
come one meet me :) write me here :)

[internet.news]

hey in one article there was mentioned:

"ways to pay the artist"
:making p2p subscription service - i do not think is the good
idea cause we should share our thoughts openly :)

I know what you mean - but sharing is important :)
I ve tried ther rhapsody at audiogalaxy :) not bad but only usa :)

but another good OFFLINE payment method

MANY ARTISTS ARE PLAYING THERE MUSIC IN THE STREEET AND
BARS OF MY CITY AND LOCALLY AND DIRECTLY SELL THEIR MUSIC
ON THE STREET - IF YOU BUY DIRECTY AT THE ARTIST YOU CAN BE SURE
HE GET ALL THE MONEY AND MUSIC INDUSTRY NO PERECENTAGE :)

UNFORTUNATELY NOT ALL ARTISTS ARE PLAYING ON STREETS -
BUT SOME UNKNOWN NEW ARTIST ARE ALSO GOOD :)

iti is just an idea :)

thanks anyway, david.

[RealitY]

For those That Sent Letters.
For Those Who Have Not Yet.
If You Live In The US You Must&#33;&#33;

From EFF...


Dear EFF Supporter,

We&#39;ve got some amazing news: EFF supporters like you sent over 25,000
letters to Congress to protest the RIAA&#39;s war on peer-to-peer (P2P) file-
sharing. Congress listened, and the rest of the country is waking up.
Senator Norm Coleman, the chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on
Investigations, has called for hearings to analyze the RIAA&#39;s deluge of
subpoenas. This is the first step in the right direction, so let&#39;s keep
the momentum going. Make sure that the RIAA isn&#39;t the only organization in
the room when the hard questions start coming; tell Congress that you want
the Electronic Frontier Foundation to represent your interests in the
hearings:

http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2770 (http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=2770)

Our goal is to have over 100,000 letters delivered by the time of the
hearing, so once you&#39;ve taken action, give the people you care about an
opportunity to make a difference. Forward this message to five friends,
family members or coworkers and tell them why it matters to you. Tell them
that in addition to the hearings, a Boston judge ruled this month that the
RIAA doesn&#39;t have the authority to use a D.C. court&#39;s subpoenas on
Massachusetts students. Tell them that SBC Internet, a California Internet
service provider, is suing the RIAA for misuse of the legal system. Now is
the time to act together:

http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2770 (http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=2770)

Our progress in Congress, the courts and the press has been remarkable, but
we still need help with the basics. EFF is a small organization with 23
staff members, but we rely on donations from individuals like you to do
this work. We&#39;ve set a goal of doubling our membership this year, from
nearly 10,000 to over 20,000. Please help us make sure that we can
continue to fight for your rights by becoming an EFF Member today:

https://secure.eff.org

Thanks for your support so far and keep up the good work&#33;

For All Those Who Said Bullshit...
Once Again...

Apathy cannot be a contribution...
If you can Take then Give...
Do Something.

[dukeddy]

I sent my letter also and sighned the petition on verified and if the hadden been charging so much for so many years there would be less need for p2p love k-lite its the best

[firebird32]

sorry guys would have sent a letter in but congressmen dont recognise the uk as a state.....yet.lol

[DigitHAL9000]

:angry:
I really hate all these people makin&#39; laws and complaining about problems they almost don&#39; t know.
records companies could surely find some way or another to solve the "problem" about downloading mp3s (for example CDs not playable in computers - I got one).
but still this is something THEY say: mp3 is a way to find music otherwise out of stock, rarities, vinil tracks unsuitable in digital format, and overmore is a way to preserve music memory.
I download music (not only that) but still I spend about 200 Euros each month in my music store, because if a music product is good I buy it because it deserves it.
on the other hand, no one can ask me to buy a CD where there are 2 good tracks and the rest is shit.
This is also a way to force people to give us better products.
They only give us products thinking about how much could they gain over our skin (thinkin&#39; &#39;bout taxes and artists&#39; rights) not thinkin&#39; &#39;bout quality, and the prices get always higher.
talkin&#39; &#39;bout artists&#39; rights we have to know they get a very low percentage of the price we pay, mostly goes to people we would also like not to give them a cent.
:angry: :angry: :angry:
I said all this about music but we can apply same reasons to video sharing (I still go to the cinema almost every week, sometimes twice a week, even if I download movies) and also software sharing.

Stop increasing prices, there&#39; s a limit to the money in the world, let us some&#33;&#33;&#33;

[iHadYourMomLastNight]

Originally posted by jakert50+26 July 2003 - 08:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jakert50 @ 26 July 2003 - 08:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chalkmongoose@25 July 2003 - 23:27
Sorry guys, but I ain&#39;t gonna bother. I have other stuff to do, like stare at my wall. If you think that any member of congress is going to step up and say "giving money to big corporations is wrong" then you&#39;re living in the past.
You know what, that may be true, but you also have to remember that the US government is a representative government, which means everyone in office must represent the people of America. This means if more and more people support something (such as this), the elected official will eventually show support for the people&#39;s requests. If the elected official doesn&#39;t seem to represent the people who voted for him, he will loose their votes in the next election (and if that many people are using P2P, that could be a dangerously high number).

So, instead of staring at your wall, why don&#39;t you try doing something and tell your elected official...the one who is representing you in courts and meetings and such...to stop this RIAA bullshit. I&#39;ve had enough of it, and yes, my letter&#39;s in the mail.


Bush has removed any chance of that.
You Democrats make me sick. But you know what? Don&#39;t change the subject. Just get your ass off the chair facing the wall and do something. [/b][/quote]
hhahahahaa like they care wat the people thinx&#33;&#33;&#33;
man once they are in office it becomes their own private aggenda&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink:

[vaughn_le]

This is the bottom line you guys:

These congress just wants money, all they really care is the donation they get from each company if they help them win.

I say if this is a real problem, why does the RIAA or the MPAA speak? can&#39;t the stars or the music artists talk for themselves? I mean we dont have to take this "bs" from the companies, and if the artists or the stars talk out, we can ask them.... How much do they earn when they are on TV? I mean, don&#39;t they make their money off of TV? Concerts? Etc.....

I really believe they just all need to just stfu and leave us the hell alone b/c what we do isn&#39;t a crime. It&#39;s call "common sense", they provide - we use&#33; Isnt&#39; that a survival trait? Last time I check, somethign must die to let other things live. I can&#39;t survive w/o no music, so these companies and corporations must die to let me live&#33;

i dont know waht&#39; saying.. babbling&#33; lol just shut up haha

[RealitY]

Originally posted by iHadYourMomLastNight@KaZaa@8 September 2003 - 22:51
hhahahahaa like they care wat the people thinx&#33;&#33;&#33;
man once they are in office it becomes their own private aggenda&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink:
Just A Few Posts Above

We&#39;ve got some amazing news: EFF supporters like you sent over 25,000
letters to Congress to protest the RIAA&#39;s war on peer-to-peer (P2P) file-
sharing. Congress listened, and the rest of the country is waking up.
Senator Norm Coleman, the chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on
Investigations, has called for hearings to analyze the RIAA&#39;s deluge of
subpoenas. This is the first step in the right direction, so let&#39;s keep
the momentum going. Make sure that the RIAA isn&#39;t the only organization in
the room when the hard questions start coming; tell Congress that you want
the Electronic Frontier Foundation to represent your interests in the
hearings:

[N£MO]

The joys of living in England. :D

[livewire]

I sent an email also&#33; and signed the petition&#33;

[gsteelechef]

:ph34r: Hi Everyone&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Im announcing a boycott pertaining to the RIAA and their associated bodies based upon the news on music file swappers being sued by the music industry. Since the music industry is bold in suing, I can only think what next in this major invasion of privacy and rights??

Heres some facts to consider:

Informa Media Group forecasts that the value of global music sales will reach an estimated &#036;45 billion by 2006&#33; Which region is set to take the lion-share of the profits and how will online music impact the industry?
The Global Music Industry provides more than 300 pages of detailed analysis on the international music industry, assessing it current position and the possibilities for future growth. The report includes forecasts for all of the world&#39;s leading markets based on full year 2000 figures.

It doesn&#39;t sound like file swapping is doing too much damage, does it? People must still be buying those cd&#39;s, t-shirts, cassettes, concert tickets, etc.
A group online is calling for a nationwide boycott pertaining to music for one week. Starting September 21-27, 2003.
If they lost sales for 1 week it would cost them close to &#036;865,384,615.00&#33;
This would be a larger amount than all of their frivioulous lawsuits could ever regain. Sounds like some executives are getting greedy to me. Think about it, you can live without buying a cd or cassette for 1 week, right? I know many people who "file share" but I also know many people who do it just to preview the song before they buy a cd. Well, it&#39;s everyone&#39;s choice whether to join this group & boycott or not.
Remember the date is: September 21-27, 2003
Thanks&#33;

Please forward this message to all of your friends

Need more info?
visit: www.msn.com www.usatoday.com www.abc.com www.techtv.com or your local news outlet.

[Corpstonekilla2]

Originally posted by REALITY@25 July 2003 - 10:23
As many of us as there are it seems clear how much power we have if brought together, I have realized many of us think the folks next door don&#39;t file share, that we are the only one on the block. We keep quiet about our P2P use.

Although I am starting to see after openly talking about P2P that almost everyone suddenly says "oh yea, I use KaZaa too" (KMD version unfortunately), even the folks I talk to at my ISP. Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music. This is now officially out of hand, with lists of usernames to be sued http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0...3484600,00.html (http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3484600,00.html).

If YOU care about any of this, then READ the following 3 items

There ARE other ways for the artist to get PAID
http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php

There ARE simple legal solutions
http://www.eff.org/share/legal.php

FINALLY AND MOST OF ALL...
HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2713 (http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=2713)
It doesn&#39;t get easier than this to take part and help put this to an end.

Special Thanks To All at EFF.
[B]GODDAM RIGHT BIATCH THEY CANT TAKE OUR FUCKING MUSIC AWAY FROM US :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

[RealitY]

EFF Update

Dear EFF Supporter:

This is astounding - in the first 24 hours, over 6,000 people have signed
our petition to stop the Recording Industry Association of America&#39;s (RIAA)
nationwide rampage against average Americans.&nbsp; Rather than working to
create a rational, legal means by which its customers can take advantage of
file-sharing technology and pay a fair price for the music they love, it
has chosen to sue people like Brianna LaHara, a 12 year-old girl living in
New York City public housing.&nbsp; Take a stand against the RIAA&#39;s tactics by
signing our petition:

http://www.eff.org/share/petition/

Brianna, and hundreds of other music fans like her, are being forced to pay
thousands of dollars they do not have to settle RIAA-member lawsuits --
supporting a business model that is anything but rational. This crusade is
generating thousands of subpoenas and hundreds of lawsuits, but not a
single penny for the artists that the RIAA claims to protect.

Copyright law shouldn&#39;t make criminals out of 60 million Americans, and
it&#39;s time for a change.&nbsp; Congress is going to hold hearings; we need your
help to make sure that the public&#39;s voice is heard.&nbsp; Tell Congress that
it&#39;s time to stop the madness:

http://www.eff.org/share/petition/

We&#39;ll deliver the petition to Congress once we&#39;ve hit 10,000 signatures.
This is a grassroots campaign - please take the time to tell your friends
and family about this issue. Thanks for support&#33;
Just In case You Missed It...
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/.

[minchjp]

I end up buying the damn cd anyway when I download files, they are crappy quality, and an inconvienence to listen to. Just buy the damn cds. They aren&#39;t that expencive.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by minchjp@14 September 2003 - 07:30
I end up buying the damn cd anyway when I download files, they are crappy quality, and an inconvienence to listen to. Just buy the damn cds. They aren&#39;t that expencive.
I have no idea what your point is, other than to give in and bend over.

[randomthoughts]

http://dock-command.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=287
How funny another board I&#39;m part of brought this topic up.........

[RealitY]

Originally posted by randomthoughts@16 September 2003 - 01:47
http://dock-command.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=287
How funny another board I&#39;m part of brought this topic up.........
1. What does this have to with the topic you are resopnding to here
2. I cannot believe you are actually a moderator at any fourm stating...

the recording industry is at again....darn overpricing devils&#33;
but seriously they are tryin to "witch hunt" again.....
just like in the first and last Napster Days...
261 ppl have lawsuits filed against them.......
There is an amnesty form but you must do the following....
1. Delete your filsharing soft and all MP3s
2. Sign form saying you&#39;ll never do it again...
3. Get it notarized
4. Mail it to them.....

Tips for filesharing....if you dare to do it....
Don&#39;t share with others....here take and not give....for the giving part Clearly steps into that little place called...Completely Illegal.....
You are riskin it on your own....laws change...be careful.....

just disable others to download from you....
I had to STOP reading at that point...

[Kitty]

I sent my letter in. I Also thought it would be nice to support EFF with a small donation. Wish it could of been more but they tell me everything counts towards the goal.

[Dieris]

Just donated 10 bucks.......Feels......Good........

[RealitY]

From EFF

EFF attempted to deliver to Congress a petition with over 37,000 signatures,
gathered in less than a week, expressing public support for balance in
copyright law, and requesting an invitation for EFF to participate in upcoming
hearings. Due to hurricane Isabel, delivery was delayed. Senator Norm Coleman
(R-MN) has begun investigations into the RIAA&#39;s subpoena tactics through the
Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.

EFF is continuing to collect signatures on the petition and will deliver
updates to Congress if the RIAA&#39;s lawsuit crusade continues.
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/
Now over 46,000 Signatures.

[NightStalker]

I have sent a letter to my Congressmen via EFF, and have signed the Petition.

I urge everyone to do so&#33;

[MagicNakor]

Sending letters to Congressmen only works if you have a Congressman. ;)

:ninja:

[RealitY]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@23 September 2003 - 02:48
Sending letters to Congressmen only works if you have a Congressman. ;)

:ninja:
Would You Like One...

Anyway, the Petition is now about to break 50,000 Signatures...
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/

From EFF

way past our initial goal of 10,000. This is amazing&#33; The first round of signatures, over 37,000, is already on its way to US Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN), who has announced that he will soon hold hearings to investigate the RIAA&#39;s legal tactics.

The fight for a rational, legal means of resolving this crisis has only just begun -- so let&#39;s not stop now. If we can get 100,000 signatures, we will deliver the petition to the Senate and House Commerce and Judiciary Commitees. This will send a real people&#39;s message: While we support reasonable copyright law, we oppose copyright enforcement that comes at the expense of privacy, due process and the fair application of law.
http://www.eff.org/images/eff-logo-red.gif

[asmithz]

signed it just now :D

[Chuckster]

Signed the petition & sent letters to my congressmen

[puk:))]

all sounds like your putting in alot of work to get rid of your files or try to come to some agreement with the riaa.... could just do what i do..... not give a shit & just keep downloading all this great free stuff.

yes i know its stealing, no i dont have a problem with that. :D


o yea.... also...


I end up buying the damn cd anyway when I download files, they are crappy quality, and an inconvienence to listen to. Just buy the damn cds. They aren&#39;t that expencive.

i wonder where you work?&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[slicepie]

I have also sent the letter to my congressman. I thought that this might be useful just in case the Feds come a knockin&#39;.

Check this out, I found it @ TechTV.com
Annihilate Your PC (http://www.techtv.com/unscrewed/ihateyou/story/0,24682,3527597,00.html)

[SyrinxGC]

Since the EFF is defending freedom in the digital WORLD - will non-US support (letters) be of any help?

SyrinxGC

[diabl020]

Allright.. HEAR me my File-sharing brethren =
I live in India, which happens to be the second(or first) biggest Cd maker in the world. You know all those really nice CD&#39;s Sony, and Uni and other companies use.. well they&#39;re made here.

Acc to my sources (ME, .. I purchase CDs by the Lot) , the cost of one (blank) after packaging is close to Rs. 4.
yes... Rs.4.. Divide that by 45 to get the dollar price .. THATS &#036;0.08.
most of the copying work is done somewhere in Asia for most companies.

Considering the quantities they work with, I don&#39;t see how their costing would rise somewhere above &#036;1-2 per CD. Add to this their overheads.. artist payments (which aren&#39;t much,.,. ) etc etc. you are looking at a cost of MAXIMUM &#036; 7-8
(DOn&#39;t forget, 2 dollars a CD for 10 million Cd&#39;s is a lot... add to that royalties from other stuff and concerts)

And these are VERY conservative estimates, the costs should be less for them.

The ridiculusly large amounts of profit they are making are absolutly unfair.
they need to get more streamlined and more efficient if they feel they aren&#39;t making enough money.. :blink: :angry:

[diabl020]

Hmm.. on the other hand, my cousin who works in a Music company( cant name which.. :angry: ) was fired because of declining profits attributed to file-sharing.

WHich I BELIEVE is the true reason the RIAA and everyone else is so pissed.

Music sales have been decling and probably profits shrinking. In truth this is due the inefficient and old management and business plans run by Music companies who have never faced a Financial crisis situation and hence never had to STREAMLINE.

Now, due to the weakening economy (American specially) it seems that everyone in the organisations is blaming file-sharing. To admit their bad business practises would result in pay-cuts, andeven worse, . people being fired.

SO... the scape goat --- FILE-Sharers. <_<

[flying tiger]

hi guys and girls. i have read quite a few of all of your repleys. i really done give a crap about criminals here or any other of the sort. as long as more petitions are made or whatever to stop the riaa. that is the only concern. just try and try again and if it doenst work get more people just keep trying. i know i am. and maybe you should too. because i dont want kazaa ending up like napster&#33; :angry: :(

[masta.z]

decided to add my opinion in here...

firstly, i haven&#39;t sent a letter as i don&#39;t live in the us but i agree that everyone in the us should send theirs in,
secondly, the fact that artist&#39;s are losing a lot of money because of p2p is BS, it&#39;s the labels that are losing money, big name artist&#39;s make most of their money from T.V. appearances & live concerts, also many artist&#39;s have embraced the internet and p2p for music, almost all the unsigned bands and smaller bands i have known have their own music up on their sites and encourage you to share it, for what better way is there to get your music heard? there are also many big name bands that have embraced the internet likes of U2 who rotated songs from their albums on their site for free d/l&#39;s and Offspring who have all the tracks to all but one of their albums on their site and were stopped from releasing "Conspiracy Of One" online by their record labels, & Linkin Park who have released countless tracks via their LP uderground site.

personally i have already spent 2000 pounds on CD&#39;s in my life (mostly legal), which ain&#39;t bad for being 17, and i buy albums whenever i can afford them, but in order to be able to listen to most of the music that i want to i have to d/l it as it may either a) not be available in this country, or B) i just can&#39;t afford it

i feel i&#39;ve rambled enough for now so i&#39;ll quit whilst i&#39;m behind :blink:

[mj5444]

uh i uh.... sent my letter. and i think that they cant do anything and they should give it up and leave us alone so if the riaa reads this go to hell stinky bastards. thank you

[imported_rogierius]

You know what keeps me warm at night? The knowledge that even if Kazaa (Lite) goes down, there will always :P be a substitute for downloading for us normal little people. Fuck the big captalistic bastards who don&#39;t give a damn about us, long live Kazaa and all other so called &#39;illegal&#39; activities.
Hail to people who made KL possible and all other previous and coming proggies :) .

My prayers go out to all the &#39;nerds&#39; and small people&#33; Fuck &#39;m, those captalistic imperialistic pigs. They can&#39;t stop us and they never will&#33; :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

[iHadYourMomLastNight]

:blink: aye, aye.
well said.......well said indeed&#33; :blink:

[totallymadd]

I am not US citizen, so i could not sign the petition. But EFF seems to have very reasonable solution to the problem. I believe that most of all would like to listen to legal music.

The sad thing is that most of us who have greatest collections, are the most often original buyers.
I find file sharing as a very good way of promoting music, because if I find particular song/album interesting, I go to the shop and buy an original. Which does not change the fact that I am still called delinquent, with my collection of over 5000 illegal audio files.

On the other hand, music companies make millions out of nothing.
This "nothing" means the cost of physical production of a disc, cover & the box, transporting it to the place of selling PLUS artist royalty.
In Poland, usual price of a CD oscillates between 40 -60 PLN (10.1 - 15.2&#036;) and consists of: 3.3% manufacturing & wrapping costs, 1.4% tranportation, 8.3% royalty and 30 - 35% retailer fee and all other costs (tax etc.).
So where the F :swear: K goes the rest half of our money???

Moreover, major companies localize their production in countries with cheap workforce (needless to say that in malaysia workers earn ~1&#036; for a DAY of work).
I just do not agree with such unfair practices, and I won&#39;t support them with my own money.

[Kevin Phoenix]

I signed the petition and sent the letter. And anything I get into comes to pass, musicsharing will become legal.
And I for one would gladly pay a reasonable fee for music sharing if I know it will give me a peace of mind AND ensure the artist that I like and support get paid.

[jfm]

Being an avid file sharer I feel I can ask this question (at the expense of being flamed big time, ....................... but being a big sharer that is my point, I&#39;m allowed to ask)

How many have you ever run a retail/manufacturing/sexvice, business? And Genuinely understand the costs and issues involved?

I await being flamed by dickheads and liars.


regards

jfm

[masta.z]

Originally posted by jfm@2 November 2003 - 04:10
Being an avid file sharer I feel I can ask this question (at the expense of being flamed big time,&nbsp; ....................... but being a big sharer that is my point, I&#39;m allowed to ask)

How many have you ever run a retail/manufacturing/sexvice, business? And Genuinely understand the costs and issues involved?

I await being flamed by dickheads and liars.


regards

jfm
would owning/running a motel count? as that&#39;s what my family does for a living and i understand about all the cost&#39;s etc. you were taling about.... so what was the point in your post??

(other than being desperate for attention and wanting flamed)

[totallymadd]

That&#39;s funny... I am also paid by my sis who runs one of our three drug stores (or pharmacies - I still don&#39;t know which form is correct). Moreover I happen to study logistics on an economical faculty of Szczecin&#39;s University...

You can always say that you know more, because nobody can know everything, but my actual knowledge makes it possible 4 me 2 run my own business...

[DrSpud]

Signed & sent letter also.


But I noticed something kinda funny just a few lines down from mine:
Image (http://www.geocities.com/drspud11/mathers.gif.txt)

I guess Eminem is on our side. :lol:

[RealitY]

Originally posted by DrSpud@4 November 2003 - 11:41
Signed & sent letter also.


But I noticed something kinda funny just a few lines down from mine:
Image (http://www.geocities.com/drspud11/mathers.gif.txt)

I guess Eminem is on our side. :lol:
Well, thats good to know...
:lol: :lol:

[globalterminator]

ive always been sharing, no one is going to kill off kazaa.

[drakentoth]

O.k. i feel its time to add my two cents here. Since the "cover" on all this is "suppos" to be about the artists...lets talk about them for a minute. Being a serious musician as im sure at least a few of us in here are, look at the other inside scoop. Does anyone have an idea roughly how much &#036;&#036; the average indie rapper made off thier last ALBUM SALES? How long are thier tours? Now how about the average "signed to a label" rock or metal band? The difference is night and day. The misconseption is that once a band gets "signed" everything is smooth sailing. In a way it is. That phat jag you see them driving in isnt really theirs. Its the record labels, and so is the house and everything in it. The image has to be presented to keep the new talent drooling for the &#036;&#036;. A signed band tends to make 99% of thier cash from touring and merchandise...NOT record sales. In all actuallity, for the most part newly signed bands make less off thier album sales than they would working for Mc D&#39;s. This seems to be the trend until around the 3rd album...as long as the at least go gold. Anyone remember the "black album tour" ? Thats where their &#036;&#036; came from...years on the road, and thats why metal guys party..live on a bus being away from your family for that long. Now do you remember this summers "St. Anger tour"? it was all of 15 or so shows......hmm..wonder why the tickets were &#036;75 a piece. No need for the money...among other things. No go back and look at that indie rapper again. Hes pimpin. Those guys record and produce thier discs themselves. These days...if your a rapper and you put out a good disc and have a few contacts...your golden. Look at how much the Major Labels loose in this situation...and they have no control over them since they dont have a claim on everything they own. Now to the P2P. How friggin easy is it to make your own recording studio these days? What about pressing your own discs....doing your own artwork? Not much effort at all. The bands of yesterday are gone. Anyone remember how larger than life guys like motley crue and gnr were back in the day? Now anyone can be musician, make and sell thier own music...its not hard. And your right, it is about the money, but not artists, they dont make shit off the discs unless they own thier own label. This is our time to "stand up and shout&#33;" people...because i live in a small town where people dont say a friggin word. And it shows too (like in the way if you get a D.U.I.) they impound the vehicle for a year, no matter who owns it. And its a &#036;30 a day storage fee. Thats only the beginning. City imposed smoking bans...it will only get worse if we dont fight&#33;&#33; What happens 10 years from now when ya wish you would have sent that email while you were waiting on that file? Anyone remember the P.M.R.C. ?&#33;

[Popdrinker]

yo go to LOCHAP.com (http://www.lochap.com) and join the fourms B)

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Popdrinker@16 November 2003 - 13:21
yo go to LOCHAP.com (http://www.lochap.com) and join the fourms
Don&#39;t understand what this has to do with this topic...

[bucknbronco]

alright i&#39;ve had quite enough of all this RIAA bullshit.....this is just another form of terrorism and stealing money from hardworking people. I&#39;m not anti-government but certainly enough to hate this shit. I was watchin a show a few days ago and it said that madonna toured one year and came back with around 16 mil in total benefits. that was about 16 years ago and with all the increase prices for tickets artists make even more money.....the radio is still on......another chunk of money. to add to the increase of money. celebrities and musicians don&#39;t have to spend a dime to get shit. non known bands may still have to but thats beyond the point. celebrities get free stuff all the time getting free food and everything....some celebrities have enough money invested in cars to last a normal american a lifetime. i&#39;ve sent all that stuff and all i gotta say is if they do catch me...heheh they wont....the computer will be gone.... this could be random babbling because i&#39;m kinda tired not enough sleep ever.

[IndoSlim]

This is my first time coming to this site, and the first topic I clicked on. As soon as I read the letter and knew what it could mean if I sent it, I did it without hesitation. I agree with most replys here. If you don&#39;t agree, stop sharing so you don&#39;t get arrested when the RIAA gets what they want. Love, Peace, and Share.

[KingHanco]

What do they think??? Getting money from kids???

Hell no, they aren&#39;t going to pay those people at any cost and just sit in jail for free.

How dummer these people will get???

They getting dummer now and kids getting smarter now.

People are afrade to stand up for their kids now days because of brainwash by the government and not by God of will.

Remember that guys and girls&#33;&#33;&#33; :(

If that was my boy&#33;&#33;&#33;

I would stand up for him and sued the complany for that.

There isn&#39;t a law that say that we can&#39;t copy a music and share those.

But there is a copyrights law that saying that we can&#39;t sell musics that doesn&#39;t have our name on it.

Other words, over rules for doing that boy like that without him selling those musics&#33;&#33;&#33;

[absynth]

Even the Bushes in this world will have to face the fact that p2p can&#39;t be rooted out, &#39;cause there&#39;s simply no main root to dig out.....They may b able 2 pick one or two less carefull users (use a firewall and peerguardian&#33; pleeze&#33;) out of the gigantic pool, but all that amounts to is psychological warfare. Seems to me the only thing that can bring p2p down is if we all delete our shared folders and run like hell,cause there aint no way 2 stop us any other way(and i think they know it, hence the meaningless litigation).


All we normal users have 2 do is wait for them to realise that their attempts to controll or regulate p2p is futile (they will b assimilated.. :P ) and meaningless, frankly.Technology will find a way (thanx to smarter people than me out there, who devellop software like k++, thanx ,whoever u are).

Wich doesn&#39;t mean that we shouldn&#39;t try to speed up that realisation-process. I signed the pettition. We all should.Main thing is:

Don"t get scared out of p2p by corporate spook tactics&#33;&#33;

[sam71]

The key to this is subdue, threat, sue and control you people as if owned...
Why even be bothered by it, congress could careless if a few people raises hell about it, they know that if they get their way its a win win situation... why make filesharing legal cause of a few individual?
we people are bothered by whats legal and illegal so much that even minor thing like sharing files is a major issue.

[Rosepetal]

I agree that we should put up a stand against all these bs litigations. For one breaking the copyright law means that one is reproducing the original and redistributing it for a profit. How many of us are truly doing that? Probably not many. I have never made a profit from my downloads, they are only for me to listen to on my computer or in my CD player. No different than taking some of my own bought tapes/CD&#39;s and making a mix from those (as we used to do when tapes came out.

I would send in a letter but I live in Canada so not much I can do there to help, sorry about that. I don&#39;t agree w/ paying to share a file from you not the label companies, especially considering they only pay at most &#036;0.80, if the artist is lucky, for every CD we purchase. Like I said in a previous post the CEO&#39;s are only pissed off b/c they could not grossly increase their own pay and bonuses while screwing over the artists. Could site to check out on this is http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

Is an actual producer telling the real story of how injustly artists are treated by these same labels who are sueing,

[nellyhoose]

[COLOR=purple]Hey everybody I&#39;m posting this message because I just read somewhere that K-lite has been shut down thanks to sharman networks, and some copyright infrigment suit brought against them. There was a rumor of k-lite 2.60 coming out, but nobody seems to know when.

I wanted to let everybody know that I found a link for a clean version of KMD (Kazaa Media Desktop). I know that not a single person on this site wants to use regular kazaa ever again, but I figure take what you can get.

Here is the link if anybody wants to try it Clean KMD download, found on ZeroPaid.com at http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/12252003d.php (http://myimages.fourvalve.com/eric1746/cleankmd260.exe)

I don&#39;t know if anybody wants to download it or not, but I just wanted to make everybody that is still checking the k-lite board aware of it.



Damn Sharman-Networks, and F*ck the RIAA :frusty:

[Madamtazzz]

The problem with paying for your music is this if you give a mouse a cookie what happens?

[kilian]

Man, I really want to sent in this letter, but I can&#39;t. The service only seems to be available for U.S. residents. :(

[Mystikan]

Originally posted by Time+26 July 2003 - 06:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Time &#064; 26 July 2003 - 06:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only
Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in.[/b][/quote]
I agree with the original post, and I&#39;ve helped the EFA (the Australian chapter of the EFF) with this issue here in Oz. I have no objection to paying for music, as long as the quality is guaranteed and my listening choices aren&#39;t tracked. If the companies want to track my listening choices, then they should consider that information as fair payment for the information (music) I download.
Now, for Americans: I would like to see the principles of your Constitution adopted by the rest of the world. They make good sense. But I have to give back to the user "Time" some of what he&#39;s dished out, so all you Americans who simply love your country and regret some of your government&#39;s harsher actions, please forgive my following statement.
---
OK "Time", here&#39;s some attitude for u: U get stuck into someone pointing out that this site is U.S. only, consider this. There are 200 million of YOU. There are 5,900 million of US. The Roman Empire fell. The Spanish Empire fell. The British Empire fell. Your turn&#39;s coming. Asshole.

My letter&#39;s BEEN sent in to my AUSTRALIAN MP.

[NightStalker]

Originally posted by Mystikan+24 January 2004 - 15:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mystikan @ 24 January 2004 - 15:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Time@26 July 2003 - 06:10
<!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only
Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in.
I agree with the original post, and I&#39;ve helped the EFA (the Australian chapter of the EFF) with this issue here in Oz. I have no objection to paying for music, as long as the quality is guaranteed and my listening choices aren&#39;t tracked. If the companies want to track my listening choices, then they should consider that information as fair payment for the information (music) I download.
Now, for Americans: I would like to see the principles of your Constitution adopted by the rest of the world. They make good sense. But I have to give back to the user "Time" some of what he&#39;s dished out, so all you Americans who simply love your country and regret some of your government&#39;s harsher actions, please forgive my following statement.
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OK "Time", here&#39;s some attitude for u: U get stuck into someone pointing out that this site is U.S. only, consider this. There are 200 million of YOU. There are 5,900 million of US. The Roman Empire fell. The Spanish Empire fell. The British Empire fell. Your turn&#39;s coming. Asshole.

My letter&#39;s BEEN sent in to my AUSTRALIAN MP. [/b][/quote]
Agreed.

I would rather pay x amount of money per month, then get a law suit filed against me.. ;)

(x = Some cheap price) ;)

[internet.news]

If a musician is good I support him, but directly.

Peace, man & woman & everyody else - Share your thoughts openly and if possible in a way that does not hurt so much ;)

[hpxiaobin]

I registered and sent the letter to my representatives. Thank you for this quality and timely information, Clocker.

[Hacktown]

I&#39;ve had enough of this RIAA bullshit.
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[RealitY]

Electronic Frontier Foundation Releases File Sharing Recommendations
Suggests Voluntary Collective Licensing at Future of Music Event
For Immediate Release: Tuesday, February 24, 2004


San Francisco, CA - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) today announced the release of a report outlining its favored solution to the music file-sharing controversy. The EFF white paper recommends that the music industry adopt a model similar to that used by radio stations today, known as voluntary collective licensing. The proposal suggests a way that artists and copyright holders can get paid and music fans can share music freely at a reasonable charge without feeling like criminals.

"Voluntary collective licensing aligns the interests of the music industry with music fans," said EFF Senior Intellectual Property Attorney Fred von Lohmann, "The more people share music, the more artists and copyright holders should receive compensation for their creations."

The report, entitled "A Better Way Forward: Voluntary Collective Licensing of Music File Sharing," is part of the organization&#39;s "Let the Music Play" campaign.

Von Lohmann will speak on this and other topics from 9:30 - 10:30 a.m., Wednesday, February 25, at the Future of Music Coalition&#39;s Music Summit West at Hastings College of Law, Louis B. Meyer Lounge, 198 Building, 1st Floor, 198 McAllister Street, in San Francisco.

http://eff.org/share/20040224_eff_pr.php

[delphin460]

again i say this is just piss in the wind , p2p will never stop and they know it , fear is our freind.

untill the recording company&#39;s bend to the fact and keep playing bullie boys, there will be some one and some way to curcum nav the system.

as i have said b4 , if the 3 million + users banded together and did a class action the music industry would have to change the way they do buisness

The realism is it costs too much to buy music and anything else, so for most the alt is to p2p it

never mind go to see it live ???? lol i would love to see my fav band live but i could never afford &#036;100 a show, shit thats a month d/l and all the music i can get

make the cost equil to download costs and whazam, i would buy it in an instant


of course there are those ppl that will p2p for free no matter what, and that will never change, but if it was affordable for 90% of the population to buy then they would make money and we would all be happy

It again come down to cause and effect , they screw us, so we screw them

enough said, sign the petition, make noise, be heard. Just dont sit on the side line playing fox, while you have your pie and eat it too

[DoLFaN]

I will write my letter when i get home.

But I just want to make a quick point.

If we pay monthly fees, or anyfees for file SHARING it defeats the purpose of p2p netwroks. If we end uppaying somesort of fees, we lose they win.

I dont like to lose.

When you share your sandwhich at school, do you charge that person? No, you do not. If you share your cell phone for a few minutes with your friend so they can get a ride home or somthing, do you charge them? No. Sharing is a free term. So File Sharing should be free.

If the EFF plans on argreeing to a WINNING stettlement, they better keep things free. The banner idea was a good one, and i&#39;m sure some of FREE solutions on that site (which i will also read when I get home) are good.

But what about a tax on burnable cd&#39;s and dvd&#39;s. Just think about it, every1 pays for burnable cd&#39;s. So impliment a tax of like 1 penny per cd, and like 2 or 3 penny&#39;s for a dvd. Just think about it, we only pay 1 extra dollar for 100 cd&#39;s, and like 2 or 3 bucks for the bigger and better dvd&#39;s. And we all know how many burnable cd packs people buy. And for those of us don&#39;t buy burnable cd&#39;s, but maybe only once or twice in a lifetime, we get a very nice compensattion, dont you say?



Sorry if this was already mentioned, I read up to page four b4 skipping to the last. But this was my idea and I think it is a good one (even if others have thought of it)

[fkdup74]

Originally posted by DoLFaN@3 March 2004 - 09:03
But what about a tax on burnable cd&#39;s and dvd&#39;s. Just think about it, every1 pays for burnable cd&#39;s.
why do you think "music" cd-r&#39;s cost more?
its the same shit...they just tag em "music" cd-r&#39;s
to make you think they are better for burning mp3&#39;s
well, they are not, nor are they worth the extra money you pay for em
they are over priced so the artists get a cut
there&#39;s an article about it on tech-tv i think, look it up ;)

[loozer]

[B]BLABLABLA,we&#39;re all screwed

[4th gen]

Originally posted by loozer@26 March 2004 - 07:04
[B]BLABLABLA,we&#39;re all screwed
Especially when you forget to close the tags ;)

[Colly]

This could be reassuring - I don&#39;t see ANY mention of the username "KazaaLiteK++@KaZaA" listed in the list of users being named in the lawsuits on the RIAA Hit List at the RIAA Hit List link (http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3484600,00.html)

I wonder why they didn&#39;t also list all the "Doe" lawsuits that we know they have prepared in advance? I bet it&#39;ll get really confusing in court if they ever happen to sue someone whose name really IS "Doe"&#33; :D Maybe they could claim mistaken identity?

[oldjagman]

So here&#39;s the answer (from the UK).

All file sharers in the US change their names to John(Joan?) Doe&#33;

Seriously, good luck to all you criminals - living proof we were right to send our sheep stealers and footpads to the colonies&#33;

[aoyv73]

oh the mad senator who wanted to find a way to blow up or wreck poeples pc if they used P2P hum

[Leviathan]

Do you honestly believe that they are going to sue you for file sharing?

What are they going to do issue 3 million law suits? Or maybe catch 5 out of every one thousand?

Come on&#33;&#33; Wake up man, don’t believe the hype&#33;

We are sharing and there is nothing they can do about it…serves them right for screwing us for so much cash over the years…

[aoyv73]

ISPs in UK have sent letters to poeple telling them to stop or else court or maybe you just get booted by your isp it has started

[geothermal78]

I wonder why the RIAA don&#39;t post any offical messages or info on message boards. I guess they are too scared to debate and lose.....

geothermal

[undying_desire]

My personal opion I doub&#39;t it matter&#39;s heh. When we don&#39;t pay for the music we are listening to it mean&#39;s the Gov is not getting paid by taxe&#39;s, me personally I think that is the only reason the gov is even getting involved, they want there money they could care less about anything else. There is people sharing child porn and there to busy bitching about people not getting paid for there music so the gov can tax it. I personally don&#39;t think the gov is going to do anything they are to damn money hungry, but I went ahead and sent the pention I think I spelt that right heh. I figure what the heck perhap&#39;s it might make a diffrence. I don&#39;t do a lot of song downloading I do more of gameing witch I am finding hard to find any that work&#39;s but that is beside the point. I am not very good at sending letter&#39;s, but perhap&#39;s one of you who are going to send a letter also inform the congressman that they need to be more worried about the other stuff that is getting shared, stuff that is actually really against the law like child porn. I do hope it all does work out.

[ghost357]

do you have something like that to people who lived outside the us...

[zippy_frog]

ARRRGGHH&#33; I&#39;m not from the U.S., so I can&#39;t sign the petition. I just hope it goes through so people like that little girl won&#39;t be sued for rediculous amounts of cash.

[D*S*G*B]

I will Get mine Going now this is of great concern

[SpecialAgentPunk]

can you only get in trouble for downloading music that are on RIAA labels, or is it just downloading music the problem?

[Timz]

I have to, the link should be posted in more filesharing related forums

[Fighter-X]

The RIAA is difficult to stop. We need to hit them physically like burn down there company, hack all their websites that promotes sueing and P2P stopping,Infect them with as much trojans and viruses, and start a whole crowd of people with pickets signs in front of the white house saying " The RIAA goes to far P2p forever!"

[silent h3ro]

The RIAA is difficult to stop. We need to hit them physically like burn down there company, hack all their websites that promotes sueing and P2P stopping,Infect them with as much trojans and viruses, and start a whole crowd of people with pickets signs in front of the white house saying " The RIAA goes to far P2p forever!" Yea that will give us P2Pers a great reputation. :ermm:

[Skiz]

...we have been labeled criminals..."labeled" ??

We're downloading for free, what another is selling. :ph34r:



v. stole, (sthttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/omacr.gifl) sto·len, (sthttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/omacr.gifhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.giflhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifn) steal·ing, steals
v. tr.

To take without right or permission.

[Leviathan]

Right on Fighter X

They can try all the scare mongering they want but RIAA and all the other b.ullshit authorities wont be able to stop p2p. Basically the net was given to people too early, they should have done their homework before letting loose such an invention.

And as for downloading what someone’s selling, well I’m a music lover and just because I download does not mean I will stop buying music. Its means I wont get ripped off for buying crappy singles that I listen to just once.

The companies will just have to improve the deal they offer to the consumer – no more fat profits for doing nothing. Thanks to p2p we will be better off in the long run.

they can persecute us but p2p will never die!!! come get uz mofos !!!

[BigDaddy555]

what if your behind a firewall with a spoofed IP. Guess they can still see the name but not where its coming from.....

[atiVidia]

transparent proxies are your god

what happened to FST's proxy list??? :'(

[Skiz]

The companies will just have to improve the deal they offer to the consumer


;)

[KazaaBoy]

Who ever said we should compromise with the RIAA and come up with a revenue is a degenerate balloon head. P2P is free and should remain that way. You cannot compromise with company's who are hungry for power and money.

Have you forgotten the typical man in a suite? Why should I pay for CD's that have maximum 3 good songs out of 17 and the whole album costs £18?

Why should my money go to someone who has three cars, two houses, a wife & a lover, a few million in their bank account, Cuban cigar on one hand and whiskey on the other.

I am just curious, off all the law suites that the RIAA filed and won - including settlements outside, how much of it went to any artists at all?

These types of people, their days of greed is over they know it and they fear it. We are taking control and they know it. P2P should never be paid for in any way by us. Advertisment is the only way of revenue which is not by us and if they refuse to accept it, TOUGH, we are in control now.

[Leviathan]

I certainly wont be feeling guilty if Simon Cowell wont be able to afford tailor made Armani t-shirts.

There is a danger though that ppl involved in p2p could sell out. If this happens the file sharing community will have to regroup elsewhere in cyberspace.

Thats the trouble with new ideas, you cant de-invent them. p2p is here to stay.

[bad]

Hey, this is my first post. I just wanted to say I sent my letter before I found and signed up here, I think it is a good idea. Yes this may be for the US for now, but, if we can make a change here (US) other countries will follow. Somebody has to lead before anybody can follow!!

[greghenley]

I'm desparately looking for a music file-sharing website that doesn't have the crap infiltrated all through it. I'm tired of the "Trojan horse crap getting into my computer. Anybody got and suggestions of clean p2p programs ? Thanks. herc914

[silent h3ro]

I'm desparately looking for a music file-sharing website that doesn't have the crap infiltrated all through it. I'm tired of the "Trojan horse crap getting into my computer. Anybody got and suggestions of clean p2p programs ? Thanks. herc914 Limewire, IMHO!!

[RealitY]

Interesting how things have moved on since this post started. It seems now many countries are affected with the same issues. Also a taking a look at this that the needed 100,000 is short with almost 80,000 now. Theres also been alot of things that the EFF have been involved in regarding matters of the like since all this started. I have to say theyve been one of the strongest forces around in the field no doubt...

[pusel]

I'm desparately looking for a music file-sharing website that doesn't have the crap infiltrated all through it. I'm tired of the "Trojan horse crap getting into my computer. Anybody got and suggestions of clean p2p programs ? Thanks. herc914 Limewire, IMHO!!

ditto, limewire is excellent IMHO