500 Arrest Already Made?

[powershot]

I heard that a few days ago there were around 500 arrest done to Kazza users. For violating copyright laws. Is this true? Has any one else heard this? I know they can't possibly arrest every single person. However I think they might be trying to set an example.

what do you think?

[Bender]

Not. True.

[VB]

RIAA does NOT arrest people. They are not cops.

They only forced some ISPs to give the NAMES of a few hundred people.

[Ron]

At. All.

[RealitY]

More Bullshit,
http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0...3484600,00.html (http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3484600,00.html).

[powershot]

Realty

What exactly do you mean by bullshit? Meaning its not true? Also once they have the Ip's of people using p2p they can easily find them and arrest/ fine them cant they?

[DasScoot]

No one's ever been arrested for using a p2p program. And after they get the IPs, then they have to bully the ISP into giving over the information associated with the IP. (Unless they own it, like AOL) Once they get that info, they can then send a letter to the person demanding megabucks.

[powershot]

DasScoot

Or anyone else. Has that ever happened? They demand big bucks from someone? If not do you see it happening soon?

[DasScoot]

Sure, it happens all the time. Just not enough to give any single person a signifcant chance of being one of those people.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by powershot@25 July 2003 - 21:08
What exactly do you mean by bullshit? Meaning its not true? Also once they have the Ip's of people using p2p they can easily find them and arrest/ fine them cant they?
Can't ARREST anyone, this is a CIVIL matter and it remains to be seen what will come of it.
Also I imagine if you don't live in the US, this may not have to much impact on you, though Australia and the UK seem to be just behind the US in these matters.

If you do live in the US, you MUST read
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?showtopic=56114
and follow through, to put an END to all this BullShit, thats REALITY.

[J'Pol]

How many feckin times.

It is a criminal matter if it is for commercial gain. However it will only be dealt with criminallly if it is of a substantial level and in the public interest.

Sharing and personal use is a civil matter. You cannot arrest people for a civil matter. Unless someone refuses to obey an interlocutor, then the offence would probably be contempt.

This is in the UK.

Just take sensible precautions. They have been posted many, many times.

[harrycary]

While it's true that this is completely a civil matter, don't think you cannot get in trouble if you live outside of the US. You're just fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

With the exception of very few countries, copyright laws are in existence virtually around the world. Why do you think the Sharman Networks(et al) is incorporated where they are?(a small island in the South Pacific)

Go to a local store, pickup a DVD, CD, tape, whatever. Does it have a copyright mark?(a small "c" within a circle, or a small "tm") Than you can get into trouble.

Share on..

[J'Pol]

Of course you can be sued elsewhere and not just in the US.

However how good would that look. We aren't suing people in the US but we are instructing lawyers to sue people in Ireland.

Yeah that will happen.

Just take sensible precautions. It isn't difficult.

[chalkmongoose]

The RIAA has almost no case. They have to {PROVE} first of all, that you actually did share the file, and not just have it to provide backups of movies you've purchased (fair use law).
Then they have to explain how they {FOUND OUT} and since quite a bit of it is not exactly on the up an' up, they have a bit of 'splainin' to do.
The problem really is with government's like in the US, where democracy's been dead for a few years.

[TIBZ]

Originally posted by powershot@25 July 2003 - 15:08
Realty

What exactly do you mean by bullshit? Meaning its not true? Also once they have the Ip's of people using p2p they can easily find them and arrest/ fine them cant they?
ok just by using our ip to find out that we have p2p software on our computer wud be invasion of ur privacy which they cannot do without showing you a warrant to do so.........thats a whole different story and u can take them to court and win lots and lots of ca$h

[AnTiSocIaL]

Man If this shit is fo real a lot of cats will be fucked :unsure:

[chalkmongoose]

Originally posted by AnTiSocIaL@26 July 2003 - 05:04
Man If this shit is fo real a lot of cats will be fucked :unsure:
A great deal of it is hype by the far-right media of this country (which includes all of it.)

[Time]

WTF are you talking about far right? It's those liberal bastards on CNN, ABC, CBS, etc, that are reporting all the bad news, about EVERYTHING.

[chalkmongoose]

Originally posted by Time@26 July 2003 - 06:07
WTF are you talking about far right? It's those liberal bastards on CNN, ABC, CBS, etc, that are reporting all the bad news, about EVERYTHING.
The day Dan Rather becomes liberal is the day my balls fall off and I grow a p()ssy.

[DasScoot]

The RIAA has bought both sides in this one.

[Adster]

its 100% bullshit ;)

[FreakBoy]

Originally posted by chalkmongoose+26 July 2003 - 06:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (chalkmongoose @ 26 July 2003 - 06:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Time@26 July 2003 - 06:07
WTF are you talking about far right? It&#39;s those liberal bastards on CNN, ABC, CBS, etc, that are reporting all the bad news, about EVERYTHING.
The day Dan Rather becomes liberal is the day my balls fall off and I grow a p()ssy. [/b][/quote]
Dan Rather is a Liberal. No ifs ands or butts

Lets be honest here, we are stealing&#33;

But the recording industries are too busy having fits of moral indignation to try to find a way to have file sharing and get the artists paid...

Until they get their heads out of their collective ass im going to share. I aint paying 19 bucks for a CD with one good song on it.

I wonder if a adware p2p prog could give the record companies enough money to stfu and let us get music.

[junkyardking]

In Australia it&#39;s a criminal matter, they cant just subponea Isp&#39;s, In Australia they need the federal police to carry out a search warrent on the Isp thus criminality, but with Universitys Riaa is taking them to civil court to try and get names as they wont hand them over.

Thou this is still untested in Australian courts.


With movies(not a RIAA matter) it seems they are just issuing warnings.

[Adster]

Lets be honest here, we are stealing&#33;

we are not stealing otherwise it would be called p2p files Stealing not sharing

what gets me is techniclly it&#39;s not ilegal mp3s a known as data so therefore it is only ilegal to download Metallica songs ;) becaseu they owed the copywight for mp3s

Downloading data is not Ilegal?

[RealitY]

Seems clear it is not stealing, its copyright infringement.
They have been offered many alternatives to fix this problem, and refused all.
They have chosen to turn this into a madhouse, and eventually congress will have to step in, just as they did when they wanted to shut down radio, they implemented Voluntary Collective Licensing. They&#39;ve tried to shut down everthing else from betamax to some fucking piano almost 100 years ago.

Truth is I picture these guys as being some retarded characters like those on the Sopranos that keep thinking they can win this battle and fuck everyone in their way. Throwing rocks at a tidlewave.

I guess they figure we all look as such...
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/300153/SpongeBobPants.jpg

[cewin3]

The ISP is just the first in a long leagl process. This is a civil and not a criminal process which means until there is a convection in Civil Court, the party bringing the complaint has to pay all leagle costs (including the battle that providers give when it comes to giving up the names behind the ISPs). As we are really talking mega bucks, befor you panic, you should wait and see how the first court cases turn out. If you are living in Europe (contenial Europe that is) you have no worries at all at the present times. For example in Germany, even when they can trace Kiddie Porn to a specific ISP, they still have to get approval from a Judge to conduct FURTHER investigations against the sicko, and that is for a major Crimal Complaint. So Civil Complaints based on ISP addresses have never been attempted in Germany as yet.

[Adster]

the thing is im from Australia which means if im cought it goes too a crimal court here not civil

but I got nothing to worry about RIAA dont give shit ll about me

[stonecold1203]

Switch to AOL. Aol is godly.

Makes you wonder if aol signed a deal with RIAA.



Not to mention the *Cough Secret file sharing sytem of aol Cough*

[MetroStars]

I heard that a few days ago there were around 500 arrest done to Kazza users. For violating copyright laws. Is this true? Has any one else heard this? I know they can&#39;t possibly arrest every single person. However I think they might be trying to set an example.

Fuck me, the shit that sum people come out with is amazing....

My Granny has got more chance of getting Arrested for J-Walking...

[DasScoot]

Originally posted by stonecold1203@26 July 2003 - 14:32
Switch to AOL. Aol is godly.

Makes you wonder if aol signed a deal with RIAA.



Not to mention the *Cough Secret file sharing sytem of aol Cough*
Dude, AOL is a PART of the RIAA. They don&#39;t need to even bother with all this legal bs with them.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Hogster@26 July 2003 - 12:52
the thing is im from Australia which means if im cought it goes too a crimal court here not civil
I heard this awile back, and I thought the situation in the US was bad...

What a crime loving mob those mates are.