What do the Scene Want?

[stoi]

I will be the first to admit, i am very naive regarding the Scene.

I know they hate P2P in general and they do not want their releases on them.

so what exactly do they want.

Personally i believe that if a scene release is uploaded to a tracker or anywhere you should give respect to the scene, as in, do not tamper with the release in any way, and upload it as the name it was supposed to be uploaded with.

Maybe im wrong on the above though and thats not what they want.

Stopping any releases going to P2P ever is just impossible, unless they make it a very exclusive thing to be in the scene again, Not sure exactly how it works so i wont tell them how to change, but it must be pretty easy to not allow the releases to escape.

If a release is uploaded somewhere else, which IMO they cant realy stop as i said above, would they rather.

A: It was uploaded as is without any tampering at all

B:The uploader unrars it, renames it, re-rars it, makes new .nfo for the place hes uploading it to, passwords the rars (this could be a way the scene stops this anyway) uploads it to where ever it is he is going to upload it, and no mention of the scene group at all.

Just with everything thats going on lately, ST and now Brandon, and then god knows who else is in for a shock, i think its about time we heard exactly what the scene wants from the P2P community.

I am also not getting at the Scene here, they do what they do and they do it well, and without them we would have to wait longer or never get any releases at all.

I would just like to know if we can change how we do things, and if we can sort of work together in anyway to solve these disputes.

I very much doubt they will even read this, never mind reply to this, but i do think someone, somewhere has to make the 1st move and try to resolve all this amicably between all parties.

PS: Probably a bloody stupid post and i have thought long and hard about posting this at all, i just think if i dont do it, no one else is going to, so might as well get something going (even if it just stops at this post).

Not a rant, just curious if there is anyway to put a stop to all of this thats going on atm.

[yayyyyyy]

Scene wants to stay private and exclusive.

Ppl trying to subvert those basic rules must be sure they can "handle the heat" :)

The main problem is not with the spread of the releases... but the security breaches generated by the p2p uploaders...
Uploaders have very high probabilities of getting caught... having access to dumps / topsites or whatever they use as sources for their upload bots expose those sources in the case the uploader is "fucked up"...

It's something similar to all the torrents sites that do not want "their" packs uploaded to other sites... or that ban ppl that grab a torrent from them and upload to another site... (lol... ppl leaking from the scene that do not want their packs leaked...)

[Night0wl]

Not at all a stupid post

I think they are just trying to fight the inevitable truth, that they can't stay as closed as they want.

Also they see prohibiting sharing as a game to try and keep it as elitist as possible, in other words by acting as little kids.

If they want no leaks, then they have to steal their own supplies, pay for their own servers instead of having others pay for axx, and keep it closed.

If it wasn't for the scene, sure the releases might be out a bit later, but they would still hit p2p, only difference would be that it would be the real sharers that encoded and shared their rips, much like with music.

[Cruel]

The password would also leak I would presume.

And stopping the spread of it would be hard with the "racing" or am I wrong?

[stoi]

It's like all the torrents sites that do not want "their" packs uploaded to other sites... or that ban ppl that grab a torrent from them and upload to another site...

Well i dont agree with that either.

as soon as an uploader has uploaded and its got at least 1 snatch, then its not his nor the trackers anymore (it was never the trackers) its the leecher that snatched it, and he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.

i have had this stance for years, and it will never change. I have even had uploaders say that someone has uploaded it on such and such a site, and im like "ok, what the hell do you want me to do about it". once its snatched its gone imho.

[yayyyyyy]

i have had this stance for years, and it will never change. I have even had uploaders say that someone has uploaded it on such and such a site, and im like "ok, what the hell do you want me to do about it". once its snatched its snatched imho.

that's fair ;)

but most of the "scene" sites do the opposite (even torrentbytes :wacko:)

[jasperr]

The password would also leak I would presume.

And stopping the spread of it would be hard with the "racing" or am I wrong?

everything leaks eventually, it's just a matter of time... No matter what they do or say about it, the scene will never be able to stop what they started... the machine may not be well oiled but its big, bulky and rolling along fast!



i have had this stance for years, and it will never change. I have even had uploaders say that someone has uploaded it on such and such a site, and im like "ok, what the hell do you want me to do about it". once its snatched its snatched imho.

that's fair ;)

but most of the "scene" sites do the opposite (even torrentbytes :wacko:)

true

[sugam]

Me personally think that the scene wants more popularity, nothing more...
Its always about the money... but its just me...

[poffin]

But why does the scene makes the releases then? If they want it to be limited to only a group of people then they should release their stuff on private FTPs. But then again it's eventually gonna get leaked to P2P. Also I don't understand why do they release stuff if they don't want it to be available to other people? If they really think that their releases are gonna be for only 100 people for instance, I find that kinda silly. Since atleast 1 of those 100 people are gonna leak it to other networks. And whatever they do, they really can't stop that with posting RL info about admins of several P2P trackers. People are still gonna leak the stuff and they won't care about it.

[SIMRACK]

These operations wont do any good to any particular site or the for the scene itself...

these guyz r really weird ...they should be banned from scene..:frusty:

[stitched]

may be these sites which say that some torrent shouldn't be leaked....must be exclusive to that particular torrent site....and shouldnt be uploaded on an other torrent site..after all it was stolen from "scene"....and brandon did warn those guys who would upload the exclusives of FTN to any other sites would be banned from FTN ...which might not have gone down well with the "scene" guys and it might be their way of showing who is the BOSS....and i must say there r very good at what they do...be it "scene" releases or be it exposing some one....anyways i dont know much,i am just guessing.....

[magushun]

they are just a bunch of ugly ass kiddos without lifes who are hypocritely want to claim that they release for their inside uses, just ignore the whine

[RainRoofer]

But why does the scene makes the releases then? If they want it to be limited to only a group of people then they should release their stuff on private FTPs. But then again it's eventually gonna get leaked to P2P. Also I don't understand why do they release stuff if they don't want it to be available to other people? If they really think that their releases are gonna be for only 100 people for instance, I find that kinda silly. Since atleast 1 of those 100 people are gonna leak it to other networks. And whatever they do, they really can't stop that with posting RL info about admins of several P2P trackers. People are still gonna leak the stuff and they won't care about it.

Same opinion, always wondered why do they even bother to rip, steal, race between them self. It's just stupid, they release tons of stuff everyday in every category, and let's say it doesn't get leaked outside of the scene, who's gonna use it ? 200 ppl, maybe 300 ?? From all those releases, maybe 5% of total ammount will be used, watched, read... What's the point again ? I think they just do whine in blank, trying to make them more leet and awesome, and they mostly pretend they're anti-p2p cuz of the groups that really care for their security.

[p1r4t3]

btw, p2p releasers are one of the biggest purchasers of leech on the scene. If all that would stop, they wouldnt have people to sell leech to :-/

[RainRoofer]

Sell ? They don't sell it man, they're also against it.Owners of those servers try to make money from it.And imo it's wrong they do, p2p is other thing, but via purchasing axx, even dumbiest person can get into some good dump site, not to mention anti-piracy org.

[stitched]

they are just a bunch of ugly ass kiddos without lifes who are hypocritely want to claim that they release for their inside uses, just ignore the whine

dont say that... we all have taken advantage of their releases.....if not anything we should be greatfull for their releases

[magushun]

i respect them for the releases, its just the attitude that is completely wrong

for example if i smoke weed, i wont say publicly in front of everyone that weed should be banned weed is the Satan itself, and ofc i dont do it. just admit it, and theres no problem

[Daniel]

You guys obviously don't know how large the scene can be. Aside from probably hundreds of release groups you have to count all their suppliers who are not part of the groups, the graphics and ascii groups who provide keygen/patch, cracktro and nfo layouts (and much other stuff that never sees the light of day in a release), lets not forget all those people who own topsites and those who race for credit between them and there are a lot more who are not really part of the scene but have access to (top)sites or who profit from it because their brother/uncle/whatever has access to the stuff. To really see the scene for what it is you need to have several entry-points and in the end, even unleaked scene releases will target more than 200-300 people.

I don't doubt that there is money in the scene but I also believe them when they don't want publicity for their releases. Look how many trackers were inspired solely by "scene" releases and it's almost impossible to find one who doesn't have them at all. With millions of people using p2p technology to divulge scene releases all over the world and so much information laid bare in the Internet (google for a scene release and you'll not only find the nfo but possibly a .torrent and a http download as well) this is publicity the scene does not want. Everyone should understand and appreciate that, oink was after all hyped to be the best source for music and applications and then the tracker is just poof, gone. Because of the decentralized nature of the scene community that's not really possible .. but weakening the scene, that they can certainly attempt.

This last paragraph also ties in with stoi's question of how this "dispute" can be laid to rest. It can't really, that is what I believe. As long as scene releases will be freely available to the whole world, the scene members will not like it. Maybe there should be an end to scene-led attacks on p2p "institutions" but then again, there are plenty of idiots in p2p and I'd guess those do more damage than the scene has so far.

[yayyyyyy]

these guyz r really weird ...they should be banned from scene..:frusty:

:pinch:

[freedom]

What do the Scene Want?

YES.

[FatBob]

when scene members and thescene takes great risk in releasing those releases , and its expensive too .. correct ?

when they see their hard work on the p2p , they get pissed off i guess :D

but who exactly are these guys releasing for anyway ? for a few elite members who pays for the gigabit servers ?

if thats what they want they should transfer their stuff thorugh postal mail

[poffin]

when scene members and thescene takes great risk in releasing those releases , and its expensive too .. correct ?

when they see their hard work on the p2p , they get pissed off i guess :D

but who exactly are these guys releasing for anyway ? for a few elite members who pays for the gigabit servers ?

if thats what they want they should transfer their stuff thorugh postal mail

But...then they wouldn't need any servers...:mellow:so they also won't need any "elite members who pay for their servers" which would lead to no...releases...?

[luckylittle]

They don't want anything you loosers! WTF are you talking about? They want to stay safe and P2P uploaders is security issue. Scene is not some kind of company making money or something!

[FatBob]

when scene members and thescene takes great risk in releasing those releases , and its expensive too .. correct ?

when they see their hard work on the p2p , they get pissed off i guess :D

but who exactly are these guys releasing for anyway ? for a few elite members who pays for the gigabit servers ?

if thats what they want they should transfer their stuff thorugh postal mail

But...then they wouldn't need any servers...:mellow:so they also won't need any "elite members who pay for their servers" which would lead to no...releases...?


i respect the scene guys for releasing movies , games on the internet .

but why do they have to act like MPAA by trashing p2p admins and telling p2p not to distribute their releases on the internet ??

its like MPAA saying not to pirate to the scene !

and if they stopped the releases some one else will replace them . maybe like THS p2p release ? :D

[zxion]

I had a roommate in college freshman year in scene, bypassed colleges firewall with proxy tunnel , had IRC secret chat , a dump server sftp , telnet, CRAZY STUFF.

[Zaxx]

They don't want anything you loosers! WTF are you talking about? They want to stay safe and P2P uploaders is security issue. Scene is not some kind of company making money or something!

Heh...a certain scene ts didn't have a problem issuing a leech acct to someone I knew as long as he PAID for 4 of their servers! :huh:

[poffin]

@FatBob, read my post on page 1. I also think they're kinda stupid doing this to admins of P2P trackers. But then again you should respect them for their releases since otherwise we won't have such a big torrent database right now.

[rvt]

Just think of those trackers where they ban people for "stealing" "their" releases, same mindset.

The anti-p2p part of the scene and the worst trackers seem to have a common assumption that they own anything they put out, while forgetting the simple fact that any monkey can make an XviD and ownership belongs with the original creators (like it or not, that's producers/directors/studios).
This probably has a lot to do with both sets consisting mostly of children, with the "mine, mine, mine" mentallity of a 3 year old.

[yayyyyyy]

I had a roommate in college freshman year in scene, bypassed colleges firewall with proxy tunnel , had IRC secret chat , a dump server sftp , telnet, CRAZY STUFF.

ZOMG :O

even telnet :O


and if they stopped the releases some one else will replace them . maybe like THS p2p release ? maybe just some crap like dvd rip and so on..

but screeners (as pukka was used to do) or cracking scene needs things that the p2p leechers do not have access to :)

[optimus_prime]

Just think of those trackers where they ban people for "stealing" "their" releases, same mindset.

The anti-p2p part of the scene and the worst trackers seem to have a common assumption that they own anything they put out, while forgetting the simple fact that any monkey can make an XviD and ownership belongs with the original creators (like it or not, that's producers/directors/studios).
This probably has a lot to do with both sets consisting mostly of children, with the "mine, mine, mine" mentallity of a 3 year old.

that's of course load of crap. neither is scene just movie ripping, neither is ownership the problem. if you're so avid on filesharing post your crappy tv releases on rapidshare for everyone to enjoy and make sure you sign it...

[FatBob]

@FatBob, read my post on page 1. I also think they're kinda stupid doing this to admins of P2P trackers. But then again you should respect them for their releases since otherwise we won't have such a big torrent database right now.


we all respect the scene .

but what more can do to "respect" them ? stop distributing those releases to p2p ?

maybe we can unpack those .rar file , rename the .avi with whatever we want and release it like a non scene stuff :O

imagine , those exclusive scene content if not distributed in p2p and was not accesable to average users , it could have become an expensive commodity on the internet and few people (bad sceners )who had access to the scene could actually sell their releases !

:D

[Diiyad]

I think the uploaders are the problem, not the scene.

[poffin]

I don´t think they could that easily sell those items. Since that´s most strictly illegal, but also P2P copyright material downloading is ofcourse illegal but then again they since there are so many people downloading copyrighted material it´s not easy to track everyone and send them to jail etc. But if "bad sceners" were to sell these scene releases which are originally copyrighted items they would be very easy to track down and they can expect a long/expensive punishment. So I don't think they would be actually so stupid to do that.

[FatBob]

one more thing .

are those scene guys worried about the usenet too ? :D

usenet is making money out of the scene releases not the private bittorrent sites .

so i guess we can expect a Giganews.admin.assraped.cellkill soon ?

[KFlint]

i think it's just a logical thing that scene wants to take down 0-day trackers who keep releasing scene stuff without authorization

0-day trackers are putting at risk scene groups. You must understand that these individuals would face major criminal charges if they were taken down, not even comparable with charges a tracker owner would face. Not the same league at all

So, i'm kinda laughing at the anti-trader wave who claims to respect tracker rules by not trading invite/account because of the security risk and attention it brings to them

You gotta realize that 0-day trackers are breaking themselves breaking the scene rules while traders are breaking the tracker rules

everyone is breaking the rules one way or another in the warez community, there ain't no saints anywhere in this whole thing, we all obtain copyrighted material for free!

however, i don't agree at all with what happened to brandon btw, i think no one should have his personnal info shown like this.

FTN is not a major threat for the scene directly imo, just like other small 0-day closed communities, so i don't understand why it was targeted specially, maybe because ftn are one of the major entry point of 0-day stuff, which is propagated to bigger trackers after...

[yayyyyyy]

they were targeting uploaders... but lately going against site owners ;)

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A.Few.Leaks.From.SWEBiTS.org-LaF
S**********.org.Uploader.Leaking.Releases.To.Tracker.Fast.After.Pre.READNFO-SCENENOTiCE
FOLLOWUP_on_The.Owner.Of.SWEBiTS.BUSTED_sEbook.runs.a.torrentsite-NOTICE1
Swebits.Torrentsite.Huge.Leak.nex.aka.henriksthlm.Screenshots.READNFO-iND
Another.Swetard.p2p.er.EVERYBODY.READ.THAT.MEANS.YOU.P2P.USER-SweCleanupSummer2k7
BlueBox.Still.A.Fast.Uploader.On.Swebits-SCENECOP
Stupid.Fools.On.Swebits-SLOWHEAD

this was just another attack like all the others in the past... dunno why such a thread should appear now... only becouse Brandon was very active here? or becouse he was staff on a tracker with a lot of packs "not allowed to reupload" elsewhere?

[stoi]

it wasnt realy made beause of what happened to brandon or ST for that matter. it was just a general ? that has been brewing for awhile and thought i would ask it here.

My main ? hasnt realy been answered though.

3 options

A: Scene releases never get past the scene (will never happen and if it does B and C below are a mute point,but lets say it will never happen)

that leaves

B: Uploader uploads them as is. Name, Rars, Nfo, so they get the respect and the name in lights, but they also get the risk as well.

C: Uploader unrars, rerars, makes new Nfo, etc etc, No name of the Scene at all. Scene are safe, but they dont get recognition ans they dont get name in lights.

just wondering which one they would prefer.

also off on another tangent, surely these pre db sites are giving unwanted publicity to the scene. not going to mention any but they are widespread, and they are http based as well. if you want anominity you have bots in IRC and IRC only for your own group. Not ones that are on the WWW i would have thought.

[Polarbear]

1.)

what some of you don't realise is, that the scene has been there since the late 1970s.

they share knowledge and warez for 30 years.

there are people in the scene who are 50-60 years old.


p2p is a very young form of distribution and at the same time the most insecure one.

don't demand anything from the scene when you are on the bottom end of the food chain.

everyone of us should be happy, that we have the privilege to enjoy those releases and warez, because they are the ones who paid for it.


2.)

the reason why the scene doesn't want its releases to be spread via p2p is security - and only security.

if a topsite is taken down, people will go to jail, no matter what. that's why those topsites are fortresses compared to your average bittorrent tracker.

the authorities want to catch the big fishes, the people who create the releases and spread them in the first place.

a siteop or a member of a release group lives a far more dangerous life than any bt-tracker sysop.

they actually host and created the files that bt sites index and that's a totally different legal aspect.

the scene makes releases for the scene and not for p2p, because p2p doesn't contribute to the scene.

how many of you have given something back to the scene?

in their eyes p2p sites are not only leechers but people who compromise their high security standards.

that's why they don't like it.

[Totti]

like polarbear said scene has been around for a long time but i don't know what they expect really bt is the main line for their realesess theses days if you take irc out of the picture... if they don't want bt sites to get their shit then don't distribute it period keep it on your dumps and ftps and thats it because one way or another it's going to get out

[stoi]

Im probably wrong here, and it wont be the first time, or the last but here goes.

If these were the "true Scene" that done this, and other things in the past, after reading up on things, i think i know why.

In the past, The Scene would have the releases exclusively for hours after pre, couriers etc could get points/credits for spreading it around, and it would be ages till the likes of Kazaa etc even got a sniff of them.

This also meant the couriers could get regognised and move up the ranks, more credits the better and quicker the rose up.

Now though, a release gets pre`d, 2 minutes later its on 0 day trackers, its cutting out most of the scene, and couriers dont get a look in.

Its become a race for Torrent sites to get them and uploaders to get their name in lights on that tracker, rather than underground and The Noobs (us lot) getting them hours after "the proper Scene"

Like i say, i could be talking bollocks here, and probably am, but after reading a bit about it, this is my view on things (that and the packs anyway)

Regarding the Packs, and im probably not going to make and frinds in the bittorrent community by saying this, i have already touched on it in previous posts/threads though.

Once its uploaded and snatched, they are not the uploaders or the Trackers anymore, its the leechers to do with as they please. and i cant for the life of me understand how anyone can complain or make a rule stating otherwise.

thats my 2 cents anyway.

[Totti]

stoi i think you are right about that back in the day it would take forever to get a realese and at a good speed point of the matter is torrent sites have actually become top sites in some way or matter if you look at the private ones at least like tl sct ftn and others...

[Zeus]

I always find it weird when people say "the scene wants ...". The Scene is nothing more than a name assigned to a distribution system. It doesnt speak with one voice and different people have different ideas about who is even classified as being part of it. Yes many involved dont like to see bittorrent sites uploading movies a few mins after pre as it gets everyone talking about them and raises their profile. However there are others that dont care about releases leaking to p2p and some that actively help it. You cant judge what everyone involved wants and thinks from a couple of nfos released by kids who think that leaking a few ips, names and addresses will make them look cool to their irc mates.

[Diiyad]

I always find it weird when people say "the scene wants ...". The Scene is nothing more than a name assigned to a distribution system. It doesnt speak with one voice and different people have different ideas about who is even classified as being part of it. Yes many involved dont like to see bittorrent sites uploading movies a few mins after pre as it gets everyone talking about them and raises their profile. However there are others that dont care about releases leaking to p2p and some that actively help it. You cant judge what everyone involved wants and thinks from a couple of nfos released by kids who think that leaking a few ips, names and addresses will make them look cool to their irc mates.

Don't blame the scene, blame the security that was breached.

[Defy]

Once its uploaded and snatched, they are not the uploaders or the Trackers anymore, its the leechers to do with as they please. and i cant for the life of me understand how anyone can complain or make a rule stating otherwise.


I have to agree with you here. And in all actuality whatever is downloaded belongs to no one, not the uploader nor downloader, (in a sense) because it was pirated and distributed illegally in the first place.

Also, I believe that The Scene will never be happy unless they accept the inevitable and realize that they'll never get their way, not fully anyways. Some people can never compromise though, and in the end that only hurts everyone. You have to give a little to get a little.

[seanbee]

Interesting discussion. I really understand both sides of the equation; just a guess to find an amicable compromise

[jam0980tr]

eu scene much faster and better than usa

[monk3y]

they got upset this time because of ftn talk about scene releases as if they are ftn's when they are not ( ftn wanted to catch people uploading their packs to other trackers ).

[Tokeman]

I always find it weird when people say "the scene wants ...". The Scene is nothing more than a name assigned to a distribution system. It doesnt speak with one voice and different people have different ideas about who is even classified as being part of it. Yes many involved dont like to see bittorrent sites uploading movies a few mins after pre as it gets everyone talking about them and raises their profile. However there are others that dont care about releases leaking to p2p and some that actively help it. You cant judge what everyone involved wants and thinks from a couple of nfos released by kids who think that leaking a few ips, names and addresses will make them look cool to their irc mates.

Don't blame the scene, blame the security that was breached.

Security is breached because the releases are not ment to sit unused. Obviously not everyone in the scene see's eye to eye on this, but some one (probably more people then you think) in the scene thinks these releases are ment to be used, not sit in a private ftp somewhere collecting virutal dust. As I stated in another post, if the scene doesn't want their shit spread, don't put it anywhere (ftp's), or don't rip it to begin with.

[jr56]

everyone is breaking the rules one way or another in the warez community, there ain't no saints anywhere in this whole thing, we all obtain copyrighted material for free!

You nailed it there :yup:

[optimus_prime]

Also, I believe that The Scene will never be happy unless they accept the inevitable and realize that they'll never get their way, not fully anyways. Some people can never compromise though, and in the end that only hurts everyone. You have to give a little to get a little.

and what exactly are you giving to the scene?


Security is breached because the releases are not ment to sit unused. Obviously not everyone in the scene see's eye to eye on this, but some one (probably more people then you think) in the scene thinks these releases are ment to be used, not sit in a private ftp somewhere collecting virutal dust. As I stated in another post, if the scene doesn't want their shit spread, don't put it anywhere (ftp's), or don't rip it to begin with.

releases are NOT meant to be used by you. it's meant to be shared within the scene. and it's not leaked out by noble "someone that thinks releases are meant to be used" but by the scum that earn money by providing trackers with scene stuff. just get your perspective right, you ain't contributing shit - you're not entitled to shit.

[smellycat]

Perhaps the unspoken fear amongst "sc3n3rz" is that "teh scene" will be usurped by the torrent scene.

In the 80's 90's skilled coders naturally drifted to the scene.

What about today's generation?
Torrent sites are so popular;
How many skilled coders belong to a torrent site and
feel a loyalty to the torrent site?

There are already plenty of torrent sites with their own cappers.
Simple stuff I know.

But perhaps tomorrows reloaded will be instead tomorrows FTN :devil:

[pro267]

First of all, it is important to note that BT is only one way of filesharing. For example, scene releases have been published on usenet and probably always will be published there. The point is that scene releases have always been and always will be leaked, and the scene can't do anything about it (not trying to rub it in, just stating what I believe to be a fact). The question is why the scene targets only BT sites? Why aren't they targeting emule or newsgroups servers for example? In order to be able to extend a hand to the scene (as stoi suggested), we must first try to understand the source of the problem, i.e. what makes BT such a thorn in the scene's arses more than other filesharing methods.

On a related issue, I've recently read an interesting post that suggested that in fact the multitude of BT sites causes authorities to overstretch their resources, therefore shifting away their focus from the topsites themselves. You may argue with this pov, but the fact is that topsites are still running in a relatively safe manner (while BT sites seem to be targeted more and more lately), and I'm not sure whether that's only related to the extra layers of security that topsites have.

Having said that, you have to give some respect to the guys at the scene, doing all the hard work for the benefit of us all (whether they like it or not.. ;))

[NA_Magus]

Maybe if they didn't tag every release with their group name all over it and give "greetz" and respects to other groups in the scene in their NFOs...

[AmpeD]

Perhaps the unspoken fear amongst "sc3n3rz" is that "teh scene" will be usurped by the torrent scene.

In the 80's 90's skilled coders naturally drifted to the scene.

What about today's generation?
Torrent sites are so popular;
How many skilled coders belong to a torrent site and
feel a loyalty to the torrent site?

There are already plenty of torrent sites with their own cappers.
Simple stuff I know.

But perhaps tomorrows reloaded will be instead tomorrows FTN :devil:
seriously, the "scene" needs to learn that they are nothing special, except the application crack teams, I respect them.

[dudave]

Maybe if they didn't tag every release with their group name all over it and give "greetz" and respects to other groups in the scene in their NFOs...

hehe damned true

[matta12]

double post read below

[matta12]

Let me come from diff point of view: imagine theres game groups, util group, curry groups. Curry as name implies means to spread releases from all groups around. Either dump to dump, or in the beginning of 90s spread on bbses. So any person who gots access to the dump can get it and spread it around if they want, the key is in order to stay in the scene the courier has to spread to specific targets. thats all, and others must do what they agreed to do.

its not about hating scene for what they give to torrenters or diff way. For real scene thing be grateful what you get, and spread around. To cut this hating things between scene and torrent, i know few of my buddies supported demonoid with uploads from the scene sites, because they loved that torrent site.



So enjoy and stop hating, give loving and help others, and in matter of fact SEED! help other members as i mentioned in my previous post, i dont use torrents much, but when i do i seed back, and upload what will not be in the scene released.

And dont get mad if theres "hit and runners", there always will be but let me ask you guys there are not so wealthy ppls from india here for example, so when they need something, why not help. but in other words you must be aware that he will not be able to seed because of poor connection, nor he/she will be able to get seedbox, so what to do with those ppls? Ignore them? If p2p is about sharing i read this as helping others why not help to those too? Remember that there are scene ppls supporting torrent with upload(demonoid) so what you can do is to give back help others who need help. With good ppls we all will survive after all!

good ppls dont need rep points to prove to others, they just know within that they are good.

P.S. love, seed, help!

Good luck!

Cheers guys!

[ceasar]

few people (bad sceners )who had access to the scene could actually sell their releases ! :D
Bet you that how the BT started :D

[stoi]

Let me come from diff point of view: imagine theres game groups, util group, curry groups. Curry as name implies means to spread releases from all groups around. Either dump to dump, or in the beginning of 90s spread on bbses. So any person who gots access to the dump can get it and spread it around if they want, the key is in order to stay in the scene the courier has to spread to specific targets. thats all, and others must do what they agreed to do.

its not about hating scene for what they give to torrenters or diff way. For real scene thing be grateful what you get, and spread around. To cut this hating things between scene and torrent, i know few of my buddies supported demonoid with uploads from the scene sites, because they loved that torrent site.



So enjoy and stop hating, give loving and help others, and in matter of fact SEED! help other members as i mentioned in my previous post, i dont use torrents much, but when i do i seed back, and upload what will not be in the scene released.

And dont get mad if theres "hit and runners", there always will be but let me ask you guys there are not so wealthy ppls from india here for example, so when they need something, why not help. but in other words you must be aware that he will not be able to seed because of poor connection, nor he/she will be able to get seedbox, so what to do with those ppls? Ignore them? If p2p is about sharing i read this as helping others why not help to those too? Remember that there are scene ppls supporting torrent with upload(demonoid) so what you can do is to give back help others who need help. With good ppls we all will survive after all!

good ppls dont need rep points to prove to others, they just know within that they are good.

P.S. love, seed, help!

Good luck!

Cheers guys!

big quote i qoted i know but some sites, like blakcats have got rid of the, super upload speed ges more benefits than dial up users.

Seed points is a god send to those with slow connections, and even those with fast connections that are the last to download a torrent. esp in closed communities.

It doesnt matter what speed connection you have, there will always be someone who id the last to ever download it, even if you stay seeding for years, no one else might ever jump on it (and if its that old no one probably will, as they will be in the same boat as you)

but with our system and other derivitives on other sites, if you download a torrent thats 6 months old, within 3 days + a little longer depending on size of torrent, you can get a ratio of 1 on that torrent.

With systems like ours, you dont even have to upload, obviously though if everyone thought that, the site would be pretty crap but luckily not many if any think that way.

also with the system we have in place, no one on the site should realy have even 1 hit and run, obviously people have, but they shsouldnt, but even if they go over a certain level of hit and runs, they never get banned. just demoted to Kitty Litter so they cant download anymore until they get out of it but clearing some hit and runs.

anyway totally off topic, but some site do take into consideration the drawback of torrents.

[matta12]

Thats nice, hopefully other admins will follow your nice example, and enhance it aswell.

Also i hope that you and other admins will give a chance to other members that wants access to your tracker, when you will do proper pre actions you wont need to worry about take down.

Good luck!

[stoi]

well we opened regularly for 4 years, last year we got to 100,000 members (for a normal tracker thats good, for a specialized Games tracker its great imo) in 6 months thats halfed, we now have just over 50,000 members.

Problem is if we keep opening, the same users just keep signing up.

Sign up, leech a few torrents, get pruned for inactivity, sign up again when we open.

Also we have a problem atm with the db, if we do open the database deleted 80% of the users that sign up, so its not fair on those that this happens to, and its not fair on the staff that have to create the accounts manually.

But we have got our userbase now, and yes thats was by opening up and letting all comers in for 4 years, upping torrents to mininova btjunkie etc etc etc, I think now its time to get a better clientel into the site. that doesnt mean no one will get in ever, but i very much doubt we will open the doors fully anytime soon, we have been there and got the T-Shirt to show for it.

There is no Perfect way to run a torrentsite, you keep it open you get accused of not caring about security, you close it and you get accused of elitism, we will just have to see what the future brings, what i say now might not be what i think in 6 months, like what i thought 6 months ago is not what i believe now.

[matta12]

i have solution to the problem you specified, however it might kill the spirit of p2p. Depends how you look on it. So we dont want that. Like you said there cant be perfect way, depends on what you structure your tracker for and for what kind of ppls.

Think about gathering between admins of other trackers to share expiriences to enhance trackers and reduce problems that youve posted about.

Also you shouldnt worry too much about whats happening in between, the whole generation have changed. I dont play games but i saw others playing them. What i see is only hate (call of duty, kane & lynch) those youngers are very impulsive, see the world with different eyes that i see. I like abandoned games like monkey island 1,2. I dont see much similar games. Maybe im too old fashioned, but i think also games and the way of life make them to hate even with torrenters vs young scene members.

With time as we progress hopefully they will change, we will see what the future will bring to us.

Hopefully there will be less haters and the world will become as i believe in, then all admins would be able to open signups or atleast be similar to demonoid in terms of signups when everyone is good and care about others.

Good luck! Keep in mind about my words, good ppls in here would be grateful and others. Lets wait the future some time, see what happens, then change accordingly :)