getting caught...

[madbeer]

So what are the chances of getting a letter from an organization that does not like what I am doing? (hypothetically)

What precautions can be taken?

One could:
use a block list (peer guardian)
use TOR to anonymize HTTP requests while browsing tracker
use TOR to anonymize tracker communication
use BT protocol encryption
not bt at all

am i missing anything?:ermm:

[Shinigami]

LOL I think you are running 10 years ahead in Ireland :P

[hangemhigh]

tor link please

[sokrates]

ever heard of google?
http://www.torproject.org/ ..
if you are using private trackers the probability you get caught is quite low..
but you never know how bored these people are^^

[fOrUmAs]

So what are the chances of getting a letter from an organization that does not like what I am doing? (hypothetically)

What precautions can be taken?

One could:
use a block list (peer guardian)
use TOR to anonymize HTTP requests while browsing tracker
use TOR to anonymize tracker communication
use BT protocol encryption
not bt at all

am i missing anything?:ermm:

The true is this,u cant be 100% safe from these organization as long u useing torrent,sure there are some crap like PG or IPfilter but they cant protect u to say u are 100% sure they cant catch u (all)...

but at least u can do for your self is to use PG and IPfilters :)

[yayyyyyy]

am i missing anything?:ermm:

get filesharing legalized changing these damns laws...

I think you live in a democratic country... where laws comes becouse the citizens wants them!

[TheFoX]

am i missing anything?:ermm:

get filesharing legalized changing these damns laws...

I think you live in a democratic country... where laws comes becouse the citizens wants them!

Democracy is only for the rich and powerful. They will never pass a law which would allow us to usurp our owners/leaders.

[lukee]

non-rented, non-usa private ftp server with heavy duty encryption . much safer than p2p.

[madbeer]

non-rented, non-usa private ftp server with heavy duty encryption . much safer than p2p.

safer? How?

lets say you are in the US and your private ftp server is in some other country. you still need to download the content from your private ftp server (albeit over an encrypted link), so the potentially copyrighted material would still be on your HOME hdd (even if you were streaming shit).

I agree the chances of getting caught are slim (unless your part of a major release group who is putting out unreleased material). I just don't want there to be any chance at ALL. iTunes is looking better and better every day.:pinch:

[Zaxx]

Using PG helps some...encryption is useless unless it's forced end to end or ssl. From what I understand, Tor is risky...hackers will eat you alive if your not on your toes. Best advice..try to stick to the private trackers, the smaller the better. ;)

[madbeer]

...encryption is useless unless it's forced end to end ...

right which isnt hard to enforce within your client (the locks denote encrypted communication):

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4159/picture14hy5.png



From what I understand, Tor is risky...hackers will eat you alive if your not on your toes.

care to elaborate here?

[broomhead]

Don't DL HBO that's what gets you. One of my friends is a hardcore BT user and has never gotten anything against him. He DLs one HBO episode and BAM he gets 7 letters sent to his house. Then he keeps DLing other stuff for about 6 months. And then DLs one HBO episode and his ISP blocks him. (he hated the ISP anyway, got a new one in 3 days).

[1000possibleclaws]

staying on private trackers is your safest bet.. i don't know about ireland, but i had the impression U.S. citizens were the ones being targeted. In canada, where I'm from, noone gets notices atm, at least to my knowledge

[buggyfresh]

Using PG helps some...encryption is useless unless it's forced end to end or ssl. From what I understand, Tor is risky...hackers will eat you alive if your not on your toes. Best advice..try to stick to the private trackers, the smaller the better. ;)

Really the best advice atm!

[Actatoi]

From what I understand, Tor is risky...hackers will eat you alive if your not on your toes.

care to elaborate here?

If I set up an end point in TOR I can with for example a sniff program get hold of your password/username/site etc when you login to it. But I don't think anyone doing this seriously is looking for bt tracker logins. But just don't login at anything with precious money involved.

[corpse]

About the PeerGuardian... the lists are usually out-of-date. It's better to use ProtoWall's lists (or just ProtoWall).
Lists can be found HERE (http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php?act=dscriptca&CODE=viewcat&cat_id=4). And easier way - Blocklists Manager (http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php?act=dscriptca&CODE=viewcat&cat_id=2).

[madbeer]

care to elaborate here?

If I set up an end point in TOR I can with for example a sniff program get hold of your password/username/site etc when you login to it. But I don't think anyone doing this seriously is looking for bt tracker logins. But just don't login at anything with precious money involved.


ah ya I'm not too worried about people on tor end-nodes sniffing my tracker http logins. OTOH, If you are authenticating to any service where precious money is involved in the clear (over tor or not) then you should be concerned.

[grimms]

get filesharing legalized changing these damns laws...

I think you live in a democratic country... where laws comes becouse the citizens wants them!

Democracy is only for the rich and powerful. They will never pass a law which would allow us to usurp our owners/leaders.

Well said.:) Which is sad but very true.

[VIZFX]

Really good info. Did you all check out the article posted here on FST.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-news-section-95/t-how-people-tracked-using-bittorrent-269031

[360]

From what I understand of tor, you wont be able to use it in private trackers as it hides your true Ip address. Are there any private trackers allowing the use of tor?

[th0r]

In canada, where I'm from, noone gets notices atm, at least to my knowledge

do you really live in canada? have you heard of demonoid? canada's where that entire tracker was taken down ;/

[FatBob]

What precautions can be taken?

One could:
use a block list (peer guardian)
use TOR to anonymize HTTP requests while browsing tracker
use TOR to anonymize tracker communication
use BT protocol encryption
not bt at all

am i missing anything?:ermm:

where can i find a guide to do all those above mentioned steps to secure my bt traffic ?

especially step 2 and 3 :unsure:

[Sanka113]

From what I understand of tor, you wont be able to use it in private trackers as it hides your true Ip address. Are there any private trackers allowing the use of tor?
You are correct, 360. Most trackers don't allow anonymous proxies that tor uses. This is to prevent people from having multiple accounts. I don't think they're are any descent trackers that tor works works on. Tor is meant for the less secure open trackers such as TPB, Isohunt, Torrentspy etc.

[madbeer]

From what I understand of tor, you wont be able to use it in private trackers as it hides your true Ip address. Are there any private trackers allowing the use of tor?

well if you know the sysops personally its not that big of a deal :P






What precautions can be taken?

One could:
use a block list (peer guardian)
use TOR to anonymize HTTP requests while browsing tracker
use TOR to anonymize tracker communication
use BT protocol encryption
not bt at all

am i missing anything?:ermm:

where can i find a guide to do all those above mentioned steps to secure my bt traffic ?

especially step 2 and 3 :unsure:

PM me and ill hook you up :happy:

[Zeus]

So what are the chances of getting a letter from an organization that does not like what I am doing? (hypothetically)

What precautions can be taken?

One could:
use a block list (peer guardian)
use TOR to anonymize HTTP requests while browsing tracker
use TOR to anonymize tracker communication
use BT protocol encryption
not bt at all

am i missing anything?:ermm:
If you want to know what precautions to make then you have to have some understanding of how you will get one of these letters in the first place. All it takes if for an organisation to download the .torrent file, join the swarm and note down the ips of everyone sharing that file. They will then send letters out to the relevant ISPs who will in turn write to you.

All this means that using TOR for your http/tracker communications wont make the slightest difference. (its more likely to get banned from the tracker). Neither will using protocol encryption. A block list may offer some protection but I take the view that its likely to be minimal.

If you really want to minimise your chances of being caught (without spending any money) then there are two simple things you should do:

1) Stick to small private trackers. Public sites and large private trackers such as TL are crawling with anti-piracy organisations. You should avoid them.

2) Only download what you really need. Dont be one of the idiots who downloads 100gb a week just for their ratio or because they like to hoard stuff. If you've got time to watch that many movies a week or play that many games then you should go out more.

Of course there will always be some risk. So if you want to be completely safe then stop breaking the law :P

[$we]

Democracy is only for the rich and powerful. They will never pass a law which would allow us to usurp our owners/leaders.

Well said.:) Which is sad but very true.

It is not well said. It's bullshit. His definition of democracy couldn't be more wrong; His comparison between a minority of people changing the just copyright laws and "us" usurping our leaders is false and melodramatic. Honestly, how could you have read his post and NOT feel revolted, but instead felt the opposite?
This is me utterly confused.

[madbeer]

so guys

(drunk madbeer):

no matter what we do we are always vulnerable to those that dislike our activities

I have come to realize this.

so shiat, whilst I will always torrent, now I will focus most of my drunken brainpower towards getting into broads panties.

thank you FST.

[tralalala]

Here's some interesting reading material for you.. Short, simple. Was written by our first administrator Paul (user is VB cos Paul was deleted a couple years ago..). Read it.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-file-sharing-8/t-scientific-study-filesharing-shows-22501

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=20654&highlight=lightning+caught

[madbeer]

I'm not from ireland.


whilst I appreciate the stats that are listed in your linked thread, i realize the potential for prosecution under the DMCA/Patriot act is very real. fuck that chance. my career is more important.

[grimms]

Well said.:) Which is sad but very true.

It is not well said. It's bullshit. His definition of democracy couldn't be more wrong; His comparison between a minority of people changing the just copyright laws and "us" usurping our leaders is false and melodramatic. Honestly, how could you have read his post and NOT feel revolted, but instead felt the opposite?
This is me utterly confused.

True Democracy is for all majority and minorities of this country. Unfortunately the way the country is being run now are quite different from what Democracy really means to us all in the states and stand for. Freedom of choice, will, and speech. Also the right to vote, own property among other things that were fought for over 2000 plus years here.

Now of days these things (democracy) are being bought and sold behind closed doors from lobbyists's and conformists and things are being dictated to us through media outlets (owned by big corporations like newscorp). Corporations run everything, because of their deep pockets and buy their rights by funding state politicians, senators, governors, potential candidates running for president. Would you like me to go on?:dry:

[lostdemon]

Hey I just noticed you changed your avatar Grimms. I like it
But um Elmer never got the rabbit. A nice big carrot sure will though.

http://www.emblibrary.com/EL/product_images/a7338r.jpg http://media.npr.org/blog/july/27/bugs200.jpg

[saulin]

To the original poster. Are you in Ireland? How are the laws there? I don't think US laws can touch you there just like that. If you live in the states I guess you could be screwed if you are not careful.

[TheFoX]

It is not well said. It's bullshit. His definition of democracy couldn't be more wrong; His comparison between a minority of people changing the just copyright laws and "us" usurping our leaders is false and melodramatic. Honestly, how could you have read his post and NOT feel revolted, but instead felt the opposite?
This is me utterly confused.

True Democracy is for all majority and minorities of this country. Unfortunately the way the country is being run now are quite different from what Democracy really means to us all in the states and stand for. Freedom of choice, will, and speech. Also the right to vote, own property among other things that were fought for over 2000 plus years here.

Now of days these things (democracy) are being bought and sold behind closed doors from lobbyists's and conformists and things are being dictated to us through media outlets (owned by big corporations like newscorp). Corporations run everything, because of their deep pockets and buy their rights by funding state politicians, senators, governors, potential candidates running for president. Would you like me to go on?:dry:

True democracy is when you, the people, decide if you want to keep the Mark, Franc or other European currency, or whether you, as a collective, want to migrate to the Euro.

Too many times our rights to decide, as nations, are decide by just a few. Very few referendums are actually held, and I don't remember ever seeing one in my native country.

In the UK, minorities often get favouritism by the councils elected to govern us. Recently, Christian festivals have been banned because they might offend a minority, whereas minority festivals are encouraged. Whatever happened to equality.

Even in my own workplace, a guy has been allowed to threaten six other people, including myself, yet he is protected, because he is classed as a minority.

In a truly democratic society, your skin colour, wealth, religion, sex, age or any other defining attribute, should have no effect on how you are treated by the councils and government, yet we see bias all the time.

In this world, the rich and the poor are greatly divided. The rich own 80% of the world, while the poor own the other 20% (average figures). That is some margin.

Also, changing laws is a preserve of the rich. If we, and mere members of the public, wanted to change a law, we would probably get nowhere, yet if the senior executive officer wants to change a law, a few donations here and there (figures we can only dream about) often allow a change to be implemented.

Capitalism relies heavily on a consumer base being just above the breadline. If the poorest class suddenly became a little richer, it would destabilize the whole pyramid (consumerism is actually pyramid selling, with each level adding a little profit to the consumable). Inflation helps to keep things in balance.

Ever wonder why the UK, and other countries, encourage immigration? The bigger the consumer base, the more money. But also, the more people available to work, the less the bosses need to pay in wages (supply outstrips demand for labour, meaning the bosses can pay less).

I could go on, but this post would end up becoming a lecture...

[koolyt]

im surprised some stupid dumbass hasn't replied to this yet by saying "don't download". always happens with these threads

[madbeer]

im surprised some stupid dumbass hasn't replied to this yet by saying "don't download". always happens with these threads



What precautions can be taken?

One could:

not bt at all

[grimms]

Hey I just noticed you changed your avatar Grimms. I like it
But um Elmer never got the rabbit. A nice big carrot sure will though.

http://www.emblibrary.com/EL/product_images/a7338r.jpg http://media.npr.org/blog/july/27/bugs200.jpg

I know but he is the closest thing i could think of that hunted down the rabbit. Unfortunately he was unsuccessful.:( I loved the pic though and decided to run with it. Thank you for noticing though.:)





True Democracy is for all majority and minorities of this country. Unfortunately the way the country is being run now are quite different from what Democracy really means to us all in the states and stand for. Freedom of choice, will, and speech. Also the right to vote, own property among other things that were fought for over 2000 plus years here.

Now of days these things (democracy) are being bought and sold behind closed doors from lobbyists's and conformists and things are being dictated to us through media outlets (owned by big corporations like newscorp). Corporations run everything, because of their deep pockets and buy their rights by funding state politicians, senators, governors, potential candidates running for president. Would you like me to go on?:dry:

True democracy is when you, the people, decide if you want to keep the Mark, Franc or other European currency, or whether you, as a collective, want to migrate to the Euro.

Too many times our rights to decide, as nations, are decide by just a few. Very few referendums are actually held, and I don't remember ever seeing one in my native country.

In the UK, minorities often get favouritism by the councils elected to govern us. Recently, Christian festivals have been banned because they might offend a minority, whereas minority festivals are encouraged. Whatever happened to equality.

Even in my own workplace, a guy has been allowed to threaten six other people, including myself, yet he is protected, because he is classed as a minority.

In a truly democratic society, your skin colour, wealth, religion, sex, age or any other defining attribute, should have no effect on how you are treated by the councils and government, yet we see bias all the time.

In this world, the rich and the poor are greatly divided. The rich own 80% of the world, while the poor own the other 20% (average figures). That is some margin.

Also, changing laws is a preserve of the rich. If we, and mere members of the public, wanted to change a law, we would probably get nowhere, yet if the senior executive officer wants to change a law, a few donations here and there (figures we can only dream about) often allow a change to be implemented.

Capitalism relies heavily on a consumer base being just above the breadline. If the poorest class suddenly became a little richer, it would destabilize the whole pyramid (consumerism is actually pyramid selling, with each level adding a little profit to the consumable). Inflation helps to keep things in balance.

Ever wonder why the UK, and other countries, encourage immigration? The bigger the consumer base, the more money. But also, the more people available to work, the less the bosses need to pay in wages (supply outstrips demand for labour, meaning the bosses can pay less).

I could go on, but this post would end up becoming a lecture...

Definitely agree and that was what i was trying to get at. Every party having free rights (equality) But equality has been subsided due to the great divide from the rich and poor class like you stated. Middle class people had to bare the burden for poor folks like myself for too long so now their really isn't a middle class anymore (well the lines are blurry at best). I don't know. I could go on, but don't want to offend anybody. Hope i didn't already. These subjects are really touchy to talk about and everyone is going to have their own opinion (and have a right to have one). Lets just say things are getting harder for everyone, even those with lesser power (who are in power).

[TOrrentersOne]

If you want to sleep well at night PG man always PG

[grimms]

Does anybody on here use ipfilter.dat from bluetrack created within blocklist manager? Also experiences with this? Would love comments and opinions for my own sake..