Trading invites....Please read

[jonny81985]

Hey guys I just wanted to start a discussion about invite trading. I want to make it very clear that I am by no means a trader. I believe that invites/trackers were meant to be free but i think it is wrong how people troll around putting down people who choose to trade.

Granted I myself am guilty of posting in topics discouraging trades, but upon further thought i think that we should let people do what they want regardless of our beliefs. I mean it is up to us whether or not we send an invite to a trader or not. I for one will not encourage trading by giving invites out to traders, but if someone else wants to I think they should be free to do so.

I also believe that if people are breaking the rules they should be subject to any ramifications that are put in place for breaking them. For example Ftn does not allow or welcome traders, so if someone gets caught trading it FTN has every right to ban them.... I have no problem with this.

Alls I am saying is that i think we should all lay off the judgemental attitude we have towaards traders. Even though we may not agree with it, people do have the right to do what hey want with there invites.

In closing I'd like to offer advice to traders.... You guys dont have to trade to get what you want, just be helpful, give, and post around here and eventually u will get the tracker you want. But if you must trade you wont have to listen to me bitch at u ne more

Let me know what u guys think....
Jon

[FatBob]

Granted I myself am guilty of posting in topics discouraging trades, but upon further thought i think that we should let people do what they want regardless of our beliefs. I mean it is up to us whether or not we send an invite to a trader or not. I for one will not encourage trading by giving invites out to traders, but if someone else wants to I think they should be free to do so

agreed :)

i am not intrested in trading at all, i have a few accounts (4 )that i use everyday and i am happy with it

thats is why i have never posted in the invite section , why i should i bother about something that am not intrested at all ;)

[stoi]

My 2 cents here, even though some of my staff disagree with me.

Invite trading i dont realy care about. lets say we opened another tracker, (we are games atm, so lets say a music tracker) we gave invites out. The trader want`s a movie tracker, but the person on the movie tracker want`s a Music tracker, so they trade and we hopefully get a good member, and he might even become a better member than the trader.

but i suppose thats because we are a specialist tracker. I can understand these top lvl sites not wanting invite trading, as the trader might go to another top lvl site and like that better and never come back (im sure its not the only reason they don`t like it but its one of them i bet).

and if you trade and your invitee is a cheater (could happen in a giveaway on a public forum and to a personal friend as well) then just take the invites away from them.

What i dont agree with is Account trading, but as that isnt the subject of this post, i will let that one go.

[filonome]

i dont see a problem with trading its just that most people doing it are collectors and that is just dumb.

[Mistral]

Granted I myself am guilty of posting in topics discouraging trades, but upon further thought i think that we should let people do what they want regardless of our beliefs.

Alls I am saying is that i think we should all lay off the judgemental attitude we have towaards traders. Even though we may not agree with it, people do have the right to do what hey want with there invites.

And by the same token, people should be allowed to speak their mind if they are against trading, unless staff here say otherwise.;)

[filonome]

btw, what's with all the preachy threads lately? are you people running for president of torrent town?

[pro267]

Alls I am saying is that i think we should all lay off the judgemental attitude we have towaards traders. Even though we may not agree with it, people do have the right to do what hey want with there invites.
I disagree with the statement above. The way I see it, when you're admitted entrance to a site, you're expected to follow the site's rules; you don't have to be a member of a site you don't want to be member of, and the site doesn't have to accept you as a member. If you choose to join and are allowed to, you're basically getting a service free of charge based on good will, and the fact that you're getting invites is again an act of good will and confidence from the site towards you, an act which is is not obligatory on the site's part. Since that is the case, it is within the rights of the site to set any restrictions on the privilege that you got, including (but not limited to) demanding that you do not trade the invite.

[SgtMajor]

And by the same token, people should be allowed to speak their mind if they are against trading, unless staff here say otherwise.;)

Which is what posters should remember, this is a forum, you start a topic, others will discuss, whether you like it or not, amazingly, that is what forums do, differing opinions should be welcomed.

If you do not like the noise, then close the thread from further discussion. If you are breaking the trackers rules by trading, then do not expect your thread to be free from discussion.

What should be gripped and banned are the shitty good luck type posts, they should always be reported for post boosting & spamming threads.

[broomhead]

I don't go trolling talking about the evils of trading, but whenever I see threads talking about getting banned/scammed etc. from trading I will post telling them that the answer to their problems is to stop trading.

[Diiyad]

I don't care if people trade invites. Personally I don't trade, for obvious reasons, but if people want to swap invites they will both get disabled if the torrent site is against it. Even if they don't get caught the first time ... the seconds time, the third time, then they get hit with a chain ban that goes back to open sign ups. What irritates me the most is when I see people with "anti-trader" in their signatures.

[mrnobody]

I believe that invites/trackers were meant to be free but i think it is wrong how people troll around putting down people who choose to trade.

Granted I myself am guilty of posting in topics discouraging trades, but upon further thought i think that we should let people do what they want regardless of our beliefs. I mean it is up to us whether or not we send an invite to a trader or not. I for one will not encourage trading by giving invites out to traders, but if someone else wants to I think they should be free to do so.

I also believe that if people are breaking the rules they should be subject to any ramifications that are put in place for breaking them. For example Ftn does not allow or welcome traders, so if someone gets caught trading it FTN has every right to ban them.... I have no problem with this.

Alls I am saying is that i think we should all lay off the judgemental attitude we have towaards traders. Even though we may not agree with it, people do have the right to do what hey want with there invites.

In closing I'd like to offer advice to traders.... You guys dont have to trade to get what you want, just be helpful, give, and post around here and eventually u will get the tracker you want. But if you must trade you wont have to listen to me bitch at u ne more



invites are meant to be free = agreeable. BUT, what's with those P2L sites? And those site that allow their invites to be sold directly? So, my question is "how in the blue hell does anyone know what is meant to be?"

I guess people came up with that slogan (invites are meant to be free) because that is how it went couple of years ago. But now with P2L or even sites that allow their invites to be sold over ebay...the statement holds no longer true. Thus, i believe, one should not trade because trading is against site rule, PERIOD!If a tracker allow trading ( take elektronikfor example ), then go do it...i don't care...but you should be able to find another tracker to trade elektronik with and that another tracker should also allow trading.

are you telling me that i should let someone steal my nuts regardless of what i think? No thank you. I am spank whoever steals my nuts :P

In my opinion, we should let others do w/e regardless of what we believe ONLY because that are the rules. By that i mean, let others FSTer trade because FST allows trading, PERIOD! As a member of FST you MUST oblige the rules...and FST allows trading. So, quit posting anti-trade slogan in every trade thread you see.

Despite the fact that FST allows trading, a tracker has full right to ban traders so trade at your own risk, PERIOD!

Ideally speaking you are not supposed to report trade/giveaway thread that occur over FST to respective sites but that's not the case...there are spys everywhere.

Trader = suck, trader = bad user is the short of pre-judge we need to lay off. There is a human (or squirr3l) behind that every pc....respect them...or the least u can do is be quite and not offend them. Beside, it's a freaking internet, quit making it so serious...nobody sucks dick coz the trade...neither does anyone get pussy every night for being non-trader (i know i don't get those that often :lol: ).

You don't have to speak out those words every time you see a trade thread. If he (trader) is a new user u can simply inform him about the consequences of trade (trust me some do it without knowing that it's against the site rule). If not, ignore his thread/post...not enough? put him in your ignore list, still not enough? perhaps it's time to shut up? Yeah, you can report those trade thread to respective thread...but as previously said it's against FST rule.

...and no users do not have right to do w/e they want with their invite, PERIOD! Yeah, you can sell 'em, trade 'em or w/e but eventually karma will hit ya back.

i won't deny it. It worked for me...i never had to trade anything...except my nuts for that seedbox :lol: However, nowadays many are faking to be an anti-trader just to get an invite or some trader are suspected to have second hand anti-trader account running. Stop doing that! If you deserve an invite you will get an invite for free, PERIOD! if you don't deserve it ...it does not matter wether u are anti-trader or trader or non-trader....you won't get it.

P.S. hope ya can follow through colorful post ;)

[spark]

In simple words: you can not invite someone you do not know to the tracker!

If you want to trade your invite with someone then I suggest you trade with your son in law..

[sear]

I believe that invites/trackers were meant to be free but i think it is wrong how people troll around putting down people who choose to trade.

Granted I myself am guilty of posting in topics discouraging trades, but upon further thought i think that we should let people do what they want regardless of our beliefs. I mean it is up to us whether or not we send an invite to a trader or not. I for one will not encourage trading by giving invites out to traders, but if someone else wants to I think they should be free to do so.

I also believe that if people are breaking the rules they should be subject to any ramifications that are put in place for breaking them. For example Ftn does not allow or welcome traders, so if someone gets caught trading it FTN has every right to ban them.... I have no problem with this.

Alls I am saying is that i think we should all lay off the judgemental attitude we have towaards traders. Even though we may not agree with it, people do have the right to do what hey want with there invites.

In closing I'd like to offer advice to traders.... You guys dont have to trade to get what you want, just be helpful, give, and post around here and eventually u will get the tracker you want. But if you must trade you wont have to listen to me bitch at u ne more



invites are meant to be free = agreeable. BUT, what's with those P2L sites? And those site that allow their invites to be sold directly? So, my question is "how in the blue hell does anyone know what is meant to be?" I guess people came up with that slogan (invites are meant to be free) because that is how it went couple of years ago. But now with P2L or even sites that allow their invites to be sold over ebay...the statement holds no longer true. Thus, i believe, one should not trade because trading is against site rule, PERIOD! If a tracker allow trading ( take elektronikfor example ), then go do it...i don't care...but you should be able to find another tracker to trade elektronik with and that another tracker should also allow trading.

are you telling me that i should let someone steal my nuts regardless of what i think? No thank you. I am spank whoever steals my nuts :P

In my opinion, we should let others do regardless of what we believe ONLY because that are the rules. By that i mean, let others FSTer trade because FST allows trading, PERIOD! As a member of FST you MUST oblige the rules...and FST allows trading. So, quit posting anti-trade slogan in every trade thread you see.

Despite the fact that FST allows trading, a tracker has full right to ban traders so trade at your own risk, PERIOD!

Ideally speaking you are not supposed to report trade/giveaway thread that occur over FST to respective sites but that's not the case...there are spys everywhere.

Trader = suck, trader = bad user is the short of pre-judge we need to lay off. There is a human (or squirr3l) behind that every pc....respect them...or the least u can do is be quite and not offend them. Beside, it's a freaking internet, quit making it so serious...nobody sucks dick coz the trade...neither does anyone get pussy every night for being non-trader (i know i don't get those that often :lol: ).

You don't have to speak out those words every time you see a trade thread. If he (trader) is a new user u can simply inform him about the consequences of trade (trust me some do it without knowing that it's against the site rule). If not, ignore his thread, post...not enough? put him in your ignore list, still not enough? perhaps it's time to shut up? Yeah, you can report those trade thread to respective thread...but as previously said it's against FST rule.

...and no users do not have right to do w/e they want with their invite, PERIOD! Yeah, you can sell 'em, trade 'em or w/e but eventually karma will hit ya back.

i won't deny it. It worked for me...i never had to trade anything...except my nuts for that seedbox :lol: However, nowadays many are faking to be an anti-trader just to get an invite or some trader are suspected to have second hand anti-trader account running. Stop doing that! If you deserve an invite you will get an invite for free (to most site), PERIOD! if you don't deserve it ...it does not matter wether u are anti-trader or trader or non-trader....you won't get it.

P.S. hope ya can follow through colorful post ;)



My eyes are bleeding :frusty:

[pro267]

Omg Squirr3l, you're killing me here..

[mrnobody]

My eyes are bleeding :frusty:

sorry sear :(

[fOrUmAs]

great works squirr3l

i havent see that long post very long time and this one was even special in colors :D

[mrnobody]

great works squirr3l

i havent see that long post very long time and this one was even special in colors :D

thanks

it's colorful like my tail :rolleyes:

[Swax]

Thus, i believe, one should not trade because trading is against site rule, PERIOD!

...let others FSTer trade because FST allows trading, PERIOD! As a member of FST you MUST oblige the rules...and FST allows trading. So, quit posting anti-trade slogan in every trade thread you see.

Certain sites do not tolerate Invite Trading, so what is wrong with users telling others to stick to the tracker rules?
As a member of FST you must oblige the rules, sure, but as a member of the tracker you must obey their rules first and foremost. They're the site providing the 'commodity', not FST, which is merely a 'marketplace'.

Sure FST has rules, but they're breaking multiple tracker rules. The tracker is the site that makes the rules, not a 3rd party forum.

It is a pity that a forum about bittorrent cannot respect bittorrent trackers themselves. Without the trackers this forum wouldn't exist.

[stitched]

the only good reason some one shouldnt trade is because traders will get scammed by some one or the other eventually and also get a few id's disabled,and it feels pretty bad to lose an account which was hard to get in the first place ... In the end every one gets what they deserve or something like that...the world wouldnt be here if every one followed the rules...i mean we would still be in stone age,to evolve is to change and break the rules...and the best part is this isnt even real and eventually everyone loses interest in trading , bittorrenting and with time everything else in life....in this small phase of every ones life while they r bit torrenting these anti traders have to step in and try to make these people who trade feel guilty of what they do like its not enough to deal with these scammers....people trade because they r impatient , they are curious and its just doesnt make sense to make online friends just for the sake of getting invites....i always belived friends are not made,friends happen...

if some one wants to follow the rules,follow every single possible rule you know,be it here or be it in real life,"You may not use this site to distribute or download any material when you do not have the legal rights to do so. It is your own responsibility to adhere to these terms"...dont have double standards...dont compromise with your ideals and what you stand for other wise stop telling everyone to follow the rules

hi squirr3l too,i copied the tpb:wub: user bar from you..i have a lot of respect for the site because it simply deserves it in my book...the only site i would ever put in my signature :wub:

[mrnobody]

the only good reason some one shouldnt trade is because traders will get scammed by some one or the other eventually and also get a few id's disabled,and it feels pretty bad to lose an account which was hard to get in the first place ... In the end every one gets what they deserve or something like that...the world wouldnt be here if every one followed the rules...i mean we would still be in stone age,to evolve is to change and break the rules...and the best part is this isnt even real and eventually everyone loses interest in trading , bittorrenting and with time everything else in life....in this small phase of every ones life while they r bit torrenting these anti traders have to step in and try to make these people who trade feel guilty of what they do like its not enough to deal with these scammers....people trade because they r impatient , they are curious and its just doesnt make sense to make online friends just for the sake of getting invites....i always belived friends are not made friends happen...

if some one wants to follow the rules,follow every single possible rule you know be it here or be it in real life,"You may not use this site to distribute or download any material when you do not have the legal rights to do so. It is your own responsibility to adhere to these terms"...dont have double standards...dont compromise with your ideals and what you stand for other wise stop telling everyone to follow the rules



now my eyes are bleeding :rolleyes:

btw, hi fellow TPB user :)

[sear]

Well as far as I'm concerned I'll post whatever I like as long as it's within FST rules. If I want to troll trading threads I will.

Having said that though I really can't be bothered so I don't. Besides reading the invite section is a pain all the one word posts and general spam just shits me to tears.

[Polarbear]

Hey guys I just wanted to start a discussion about invite trading. I want to make it very clear that I am by no means a trader. I believe that invites/trackers were meant to be free but i think it is wrong how people troll around putting down people who choose to trade.

Granted I myself am guilty of posting in topics discouraging trades, but upon further thought i think that we should let people do what they want regardless of our beliefs. I mean it is up to us whether or not we send an invite to a trader or not. I for one will not encourage trading by giving invites out to traders, but if someone else wants to I think they should be free to do so.

I also believe that if people are breaking the rules they should be subject to any ramifications that are put in place for breaking them. For example Ftn does not allow or welcome traders, so if someone gets caught trading it FTN has every right to ban them.... I have no problem with this.

Alls I am saying is that i think we should all lay off the judgemental attitude we have towaards traders. Even though we may not agree with it, people do have the right to do what hey want with there invites.

In closing I'd like to offer advice to traders.... You guys dont have to trade to get what you want, just be helpful, give, and post around here and eventually u will get the tracker you want. But if you must trade you wont have to listen to me bitch at u ne more

Let me know what u guys think....
Jon

let me ask you a question:

what about cheating? should we be allowed to discourage cheater and make statments how bad their actions are?

should we on the other hand encourage newcomers not to cheat, because cheating breaks tracker rules?

yes of course we should, because cheating is bad and it will get you banned, right?

account trading is not sooo bad, but will get you banned as well, right?

everyone agrees, traders, non traders, anti traders that cheating is bad and should not be tolerated.

so what's the difference? why should we tolerate account traders and punish cheater?

tracker owners already made their decision. they don't evaluate. they handle both the same: they ban them.

it's not up to us to decide whether there are good rule breakers and bad rule breakers.

fact is, both (cheater and account dealer) don't care about tracker rules.

but wait, why should i care? those actions don't affect my account, so let them do what they wanna do.

wrong! you a part of the tracker community and those people try to rape it. it is your god damn right to stand up against them and convince them that their actions are bad.

both steal from the tracker. the account dealer steals accounts that does not belong to him, the cheater steals ratio that doesn't belong to him.

the fact that we move (post) in an environment (forum) that allows one way of rule breaking and blames the other, doesn't mean that we have to shut our mouth and be quiet about it.

unlike most account dealers i love my trackers and i don't want to lose any of them.

that's why i decided to play with them - not against them.

everyone is free to repect tracker rules and everyone is free to break them.

in the long run there will only be those who enjoy their membership and those who need to trade for another account.

i'm not an anti-cheater, anti-trader, anti-collector... i'm simply against people who break the rules of my trackers.

feel free to choose your side everyone.

[broomhead]

wow nice one squirrel, its rare to see long posts on FST

[LordS]

Well said, why discriminate in one sense and then encourage another?

Either way you look at it, Site staff give u the chance to be part of a community, and some even the ability to invite.

You wouldn't ratio cheat, so why would you put in all that effort to get invites to waste them and end up banned like so many other worthless sacks of shit.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTbX1aMajow

[SAM]

@squirr3l
to funny stuff , right away dude :)
we have a game to play
excuse me invite traders ,yuk

[SpiderPig]

Trading fucking rocks, man!

Let's all trade to people we don't know who may be a member of some anti-piracy organization who, under normal (non-trading) circumstances, may never obtain an invite! Better yet, let's go around being like morons putting a price tag on free invites: yes, I am referring to the "What Invites are Worth" Deity! I wonder what putting a price tag on everything will do.. I guess it'll bring more goodness, such as encouraging invite/account sellers, account trading (oh, I won't even get into that), scammers, cheaters to buffer accounts to trade, etc.

Ahhh

Invite Trading Rocks.

[broomhead]

^^^^^ U ARE RETARDED^^^^^

Trading is bad dont do it

[SpiderPig]

Sweet! I love being called a retard by an tracker collector!

Btw, why don't you go ahead and read my post again with more than a hundredth of that brain of yours

[Artemis]

^^^^^ U ARE RETARDED^^^^^

Trading is bad dont do it

Not the brightest crayon in the box are you ? can you say the word sarcasm ?

on the subject of crayons will someone take Squirr3l's bloody huge art set away before my brain bursts :naughty:

[jonny81985]

Hey guys I just wanted to start a discussion about invite trading. I want to make it very clear that I am by no means a trader. I believe that invites/trackers were meant to be free but i think it is wrong how people troll around putting down people who choose to trade.

Granted I myself am guilty of posting in topics discouraging trades, but upon further thought i think that we should let people do what they want regardless of our beliefs. I mean it is up to us whether or not we send an invite to a trader or not. I for one will not encourage trading by giving invites out to traders, but if someone else wants to I think they should be free to do so.

I also believe that if people are breaking the rules they should be subject to any ramifications that are put in place for breaking them. For example Ftn does not allow or welcome traders, so if someone gets caught trading it FTN has every right to ban them.... I have no problem with this.

Alls I am saying is that i think we should all lay off the judgemental attitude we have towaards traders. Even though we may not agree with it, people do have the right to do what hey want with there invites.

In closing I'd like to offer advice to traders.... You guys dont have to trade to get what you want, just be helpful, give, and post around here and eventually u will get the tracker you want. But if you must trade you wont have to listen to me bitch at u ne more

Let me know what u guys think....
Jon

let me ask you a question:

what about cheating? should we be allowed to discourage cheater and make statments how bad their actions are?

should we on the other hand encourage newcomers not to cheat, because cheating breaks tracker rules?

yes of course we should, because cheating is bad and it will get you banned, right?

account trading is not sooo bad, but will get you banned as well, right?

everyone agrees, traders, non traders, anti traders that cheating is bad and should not be tolerated.

so what's the difference? why should we tolerate account traders and punish cheater?

tracker owners already made their decision. they don't evaluate. they handle both the same: they ban them.

it's not up to us to decide whether there are good rule breakers and bad rule breakers.

fact is, both (cheater and account dealer) don't care about tracker rules.

but wait, why should i care? those actions don't affect my account, so let them do what they wanna do.

wrong! you a part of the tracker community and those people try to rape it. it is your god damn right to stand up against them and convince them that their actions are bad.

both steal from the tracker. the account dealer steals accounts that does not belong to him, the cheater steals ratio that doesn't belong to him.

the fact that we move (post) in an environment (forum) that allows one way of rule breaking and blames the other, doesn't mean that we have to shut our mouth and be quiet about it.

unlike most account dealers i love my trackers and i don't want to lose any of them.

that's why i decided to play with them - not against them.

everyone is free to repect tracker rules and everyone is free to break them.

in the long run there will only be those who enjoy their membership and those who need to trade for another account.

i'm not an anti-cheater, anti-trader, anti-collector... i'm simply against people who break the rules of my trackers.

feel free to choose your side everyone.

You make a good point here, people do have a right to protect their respective communitites. I didnt look at it that way but it does make a lot of sense.

I never said that trading should be encouraged, I myself dont agree with it at all. I just wanted to make a thread to strike up some conversation and i guess it worked. Thats what community is all about isnt it--sharing ideas and talking about our views.

Thanks for the input, you sold me :)

Jon

[broomhead]

Sweet! I love being called a retard by an tracker collector!

Btw, why don't you go ahead and read my post again with more than a hundredth of that brain of yours

LOL sorry mate, that was pretty stupid man. Sorry. But I am NOT a tracker collector.

[SAM]

i dunno guys ,
but it seems to me that all our discussions are pointless lately .
trading invites is against trackers rules but fst allowed it .
what we can do about this , nothing
really i'm sad to say it but what we can do really ?

[Polarbear]

i just wanted to give everyone an easy to understand example why trading is bad.


imagine you are an owner of a new club. you spent a lot of time and work on it to establish the best club in town.

you decide to make it a private club, because you want to party exclusively with your friends and cool people who you know and trust.

so you hand out membership cards to your friends and selected people.

every membership card has the receipients name on it and is property of the club. it has the words "non-transferable" written in bold letters on it.

unfortunately after some time you recognize, that a group of people gave their membership cards away to strangers. some traded them for other clubs, some sold them, some just gave them to unknown people on the street.

now every evening more and more strangers show up in your club who behave badly, cheat and don't pay their drinks.

so you enforce the rule, that people are not allowed to give their cards to others and only use them for themselves. i mean first of all you invited cool people to your club and not some douchebags.

then you hire a bouncer, that throws out all the people who have no right to be in the club, because they didn't get the membership from you but traded for it.

those bouncers have a real hard job, because all those losers are wining, bitching and keep arguing in front of the door. i costs you a lot of money and even more stupid strangers show up that you simply don't want in your club.

now everyone (including the good members who kept their cards) is pretty pissed at those who traded them away to strangers, because they are the ones who betrayed the club and ruined all the fun.


i hope some traders get the message.

[LordS]

100% correct, I love the analogy :)

[ScreaminJay]

It's not as much trading invite that is bad... I don't really trade, but often, I'll give invite to site A... person say thanks and ask if I'd be interested in site B. Not meant as a trade, but it's sort of the same thing. As long as you are not doing it in the open, it's fine. After all, it's the same small group of people on many of those private trackers.

Posting invites to popular sites here is a very good way to be banned, so you do it at your own risks. Trading here is also something that get you banned. If you'd do it in private with people you know, no one is going to bother you. On IRC or small private forums via pms. On a site visited by thousands of people like this one, it only risk opening the doors to the wrong people... and I'm not only talking about cheaters.

[supper]

dose that club owner asked u to invite ppl from the internet u even not sure about who they are ( could be cheater , seller,trader .etc )

giveing away invites to ppl u dont know who they relly are unless u know them in real life and thats so rare thats beside who u call them

strangers could be ppl worth to stay then u just banned them ( even the trackers admns when they do giveaways he will find traders and cheaters in his invite tree

so traders =anti traders ( as we take the same risk of invite ppl we relly dont know about just his nick name and some posts could be not his real opinion )


so plz guys dont take it so serious fst allowed invites tradeing so accept it or leave it

and stop whining all the time u dont like to c any traders around then make onther BCC by ur own and just leave every one do what ever he do

and stop bother every trader thread every one

u know its dose not worth to talk about traders and anti traders any more i wont talk about this agien thats promise




@ SAM drink ur tea with ur FUC*EN CAMEL away from me plz

[SAM]

i guess it's tea time
http://giftube.com/gifs/1530.gif

[pandabear]

What the hell is wrong with all you people saying don't trade because its against the tracker rules, because giving away invites is just as much against the rules, but that is not frowned on at all.

If we are going to be against anything at all, its should be do not trade/give your invites to anyone you don't know. Trading invites with friends is ok in my book. I have go alot of invites in the way ScreaminJay says, where there was just a sort ofn agree if i invite a friend someone, when they get invites to a site i want, they should invite me first.

[Polarbear]

and stop whining all the time

exactly supper! you tell them, hardcore trader!



come on. be nice :cry:


any!!!


i got extremely hard invite to get pm me:huh:


come on any one can still ask for invite to F***? i will give u almost all the high levels for it waiting ur pm



up :cry:

note ( i can give u the whole WTAW list but uk-t and F*** ) for what i just mentioned

poor little supper. is it cold outside the door?

i have to admit i really like you. your posts always amuse me a lot. you have a certain innocent simplicity and unsophisticatedness in your posts and i do like your greenness. it's simply sweet. let's meet in real life, listen to some trance and do a little dance.

[supper]

exactly supper! you tell them, hardcore trader!



come on. be nice :cry:


any!!!


i got extremely hard invite to get pm me:huh:


come on any one can still ask for invite to F***? i will give u almost all the high levels for it waiting ur pm



up :cry:

note ( i can give u the whole WTAW list but uk-t and F*** ) for what i just mentioned

poor little supper. is it cold outside the door?

i have to admit i really like you. your posts always amuse me a lot. you have a certain innocent simplicity and unsophisticatedness in your posts and i do like your greenness. it's simply sweet. let's meet in real life, listen to some trance and do a little dance.sorry i am not gay:cry: i hope u find what u want maybe u can pm SAM






http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-waffles-giveaway-261407


http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-waffles-giveaway-260772

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-libble-giveaway-249075



those giveaways not against the tracker rules too? go to sleep polar relly u have no point


DO U THINK the club owner will be happey when u give invites to ppl u dont even know like candy

sorry but i am trying to understand what u talking about

[SAM]

why don't you come along ?
http://giftube.com/gifs/3847.gif

yes supper , he can call me anytime he likes
but don't get mad at us , it isn't our fault that you are not even good at trading :(

[Polarbear]

DO U THINK the club owner will be happey when u give invites to ppl u dont even know like candy?


i invited two people: spark and a good girlfriend of his.

and yes, the club owner is very happy. in fact they make very sexy moves on the dancefloor :D

[supper]

DO U THINK the club owner will be happey when u give invites to ppl u dont even know like candy?


i invited two people: spark and a good girlfriend of his.

and yes, the club owner is very happy. in fact they make very sexy moves on the dancefloor :D
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-rsr-giveaway-239650





http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invites-90/t-it-giveaway-239640

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-43/t-how-can-create-poll-240051

there is more :D:huh: btw the sec link was giveing away ( account ) thats even worse

why u dont make FTN giveaway or FSC too or just the low levels accept the giveaways ?polar no harm but relly i want u to get what u want and any tracker u need thats why we all here and dont be so serious about something its the first place for fun if u have belives then just keep it to ur self we are here to share the invites and help each other and get what ever we need no more so peace plz

[Polarbear]

there is more :D:huh:

:wub: mmmh, baby. i turns me on when you browse through my post history. please give me more you sexy little boy. :kiss:

[pandabear]

Those last two link have me laughing so hard. :D

[supper]

there is more :D:huh:

:wub: mmmh, baby. i turns me on when you browse through my post history. please give me more you sexy little boy. :kiss:oh try to ask the owner club that u did giveaways in fst by his invites and see what he will do he will be happy :D or mad:angry:

in onther word ( hey admn i made by ur own tracker some giveaways to day and i got rep point for it :w00t: how do u feel admin are u happy

and admn said ( :w00t:wow relly i love to give invites of my own tracker to strangers. :yahoo: take more invites plz )
( give me a break )

[SAM]

supper , dear
why you messing with bears?!

seriously,
we don't need to flame each other
everyone has his own beliefs and opinions and we have to respect them

[Polarbear]

:wub: mmmh, baby. i turns me on when you browse through my post history. please give me more you sexy little boy. :kiss:oh try to ask the owner club that u did giveaways in fst by his invites and see what he will do he will be happy :D or mad:angry:

( give me a break )

sorry kiddo, playtime is over. gotta watch prison break now.

[supper]

en t
supper , dear
why you messing with bears?!

seriously,
we don't need to flame each other
everyone has his own beliefs and opinions and we have to respect themwhen they do by what they are saying i will respact i just hate to be plastic nothing personal though;)

[reese]

I think trading has its pros and cons i personally dont trade but i get so sick of all these anti traders picking at the traders.. who are you to cast a stone? i mean how many of us actually follow rules around here?

Your the RIAA of the BT world. If there idiots they will get banned on there own trust me. No need to poke them with a stick and call them names. There breaking the rules and dragging you community down by inviting random people? if a tracker opens it doors to the public is that the same thing? I understand getting pissy when people are trading invites to a private community that has never had open sign ups.. but i dont get the other situation.

I have so many mixed emotions about this topic but i can promise you i dont care if you trade your invites as long as your smart about it.

[silhoutte]

I don't care if people trade invites. Personally I don't trade, for obvious reasons, but if people want to swap invites they will both get disabled if the torrent site is against it. Even if they don't get caught the first time ... the seconds time, the third time, then they get hit with a chain ban that goes back to open sign ups. What irritates me the most is when I see people with "anti-trader" in their signatures.

hey, where you are from...We both have the same mind set. lol
But the anti-traders.... its rather funny to me than irritating.:lol:

[pandabear]

Personally the true funny is when anti traders finally get a few invites from giveaways, then start acting like total bigshots, giving out advice to others (esp tracdrs) like they are high and mighty, rather than some guy who begged extremely hard for long enough to get an invite.

[Artemis]

Where as I on the other hand dislike all the fencesitters, it's like some kind of new age hippy-ism, ' I don't trade but I don't see anything wrong with it , why can't we all just live in peace and knit yoghurt ? At least the traders and those against trading have the courage of their convictions and are not afraid to stand up for them. I enjoy the debate, I have come to respect and understand other points of view because of it and the debate has taught me much. But to just stand there in the middle and say self righteously I don't , and then go on to babble on about how much you would like every one to be nice and fluffy............ FOR FUCKS SAKE GROW SOME BALLS!

This is a forum it is a vibrant community everyone has different opinions thats what makes it great not this new age love everyone crap!

[SAM]

i don't give a fuck about trading :)
how is this sound "courage"
i don't think so

another thing

i see these debates for many months now and nothing changes.
traders will never quit and anti-traders will never stop nagging and crying every time a trader post a thread .
it's pointless, as long as FST allows trading to tell people to stop because they will never stop.
i don't trade and i don't like trading . this my belief.
why do i have to force it on other people , why i have to breach them every minute of the day if i know it's useless .
talking and words and those posts and treads won't do anything at all.
there are here trackers admins and staff members from every tracker in the world.they are watching daily their tracker accounts and invites trading and giving away against their trackers rules and what they do
nothing
it's no use
http://giftube.com/gifs/3468.gif

[Diiyad]

i just wanted to give everyone an easy to understand example why trading is bad.


imagine you are an owner of a new club. you spent a lot of time and work on it to establish the best club in town.

you decide to make it a private club, because you want to party exclusively with your friends and cool people who you know and trust.

so you hand out membership cards to your friends and selected people.

every membership card has the receipients name on it and is property of the club. it has the words "non-transferable" written in bold letters on it.

unfortunately after some time you recognize, that a group of people gave their membership cards away to strangers. some traded them for other clubs, some sold them, some just gave them to unknown people on the street.

now every evening more and more strangers show up in your club who behave badly, cheat and don't pay their drinks.

so you enforce the rule, that people are not allowed to give their cards to others and only use them for themselves. i mean first of all you invited cool people to your club and not some douchebags.

then you hire a bouncer, that throws out all the people who have no right to be in the club, because they didn't get the membership from you but traded for it.

those bouncers have a real hard job, because all those losers are wining, bitching and keep arguing in front of the door. i costs you a lot of money and even more stupid strangers show up that you simply don't want in your club.

now everyone (including the good members who kept their cards) is pretty pissed at those who traded them away to strangers, because they are the ones who betrayed the club and ruined all the fun.


i hope some traders get the message.

LOL

[SAM]

that's not funny :(
please edit your post

[Diiyad]

that's not funny :(
please edit your post

Edited

[Artemis]

Sam a simple question for you and the crux of my post, why should the debate change ? I am saying that debate is healthy, if you cannot stand it why on earth are you on such a public forum ?

[SAM]

i can stand it :)
but i see it useless
i guess that's my right

[pandabear]

that's not funny :(
please edit your post

Edited

Rofl. If only the whole internet was as spineless as you. There would never be arguements.

"You suck!"
"Thats not funny"
"Oh sorry, i take back what i said"

[SAM]

next time
i won't ask him to edit
@Diiyad (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../../members/diiyad-193767)
i'm very sorry , man

[pandabear]

I really hope that was sarcasm.

[Diiyad]

Edited

Rofl. If only the whole internet was as spineless as you. There would never be arguements.

"You suck!"
"Thats not funny"
"Oh sorry, i take back what i said"

I just remembered how gay the moderators are here... one more infraction and I'm banned.

[Artemis]

I do note that the yoghurt knitters seem to have headed for the hills ?

awww come back.............. we can all live in peace and harmony and love one another and eat bean curd :naughty:

[stitched]

there is more :D:huh:

:wub: mmmh, baby. i turns me on when you browse through my post history. please give me more you sexy little boy. :kiss:

stop picking on supper,every time you do that,..
nobody is perfect every one learns from their share of mistakes.....you r 36 years old atleast your profile says so...you should know better about how to behave and how things work.
you have went thru posting history of someone else just to put down some one...dont you like the taste of your own medicine
and whatever supper says makes total sense, what were u thinking when u made those giveaways,because those trackers are lower level dont their rules mean anything to you.."

now everyone (including the good members who kept their cards) is pretty pissed at those who traded them away to strangers, because they are the ones who betrayed the club and ruined all the fun."
" what about all the ruined fun when you invited those strangers and betrayed the club ...all that big posts trying to teach/preach everyone ..do those words even mean anything to you?

[pandabear]

Stop talking out of your arse. Waffles does not forbid giveaways in their rules. I suggest you take a second and think before you make your next post.

[LordS]

Simple: Everyone should respect Tracker site rules and do as requested.

Otherwise they can be banned and ridiculed.

[stitched]

Stop talking out of your arse. Waffles does not forbid giveaways in their rules. I suggest you take a second and think before you make your next post.

i dont want to fight about it or try and offend you with words,its just not worth it....... but here are a few giveaways..."rSR giveaway" "IT giveaway" by him...may be you should think before you start talking out of your arse....it wont take more then a second

[amade]

I agree also - no need to let people confused with many threads in which they'are not very intereted in.

[Artemis]

I agree also - no need to let people confused with many threads in which they'are not very intereted in.

I repeat again , if you are not interested in the threads why on earth are you even here ?

[LordS]

Because we can?

[whitmar]

It amazes me how this debate typically progresses. It usually starts out reasonably enough, with those who deplore the practice of trading stating the facts that originally led them to that conclusion. By that, I mean facts such as: it's against tracker rules, it puts trackers at risk, it jeopardizes entire invite trees, etc.

I would expect the other side to respond with their own facts extolling the virtues of invite or account trading, e.g. it provides liquidity in the tracker "commodity market", it provides access to people who don't have the communication skills or integrity to seem trustworthy enough to be given a free invite, etc. (I am admittedly reaching, because I don't agree with trading in principle.) Pro-traders could undoubtedly come up with better arguments.

But they don't...

The least pugnacious retort is something like: "I'll trade all I want, and I don't care what anyone else thinks." Well, at least it's honest. I'm glad, though, this doesn't represent the vast majority of bit torrent community members, because there would be very little file sharing taking place. For that matter, there wouldn't have been many collaborating coders and web designers to have started the trackers in the first place with attitudes like that.

The pro-trading tactics I find most objectionable are those that personally attack members who state opposing views. Comments about someone not acting their age or speculations about a member's sexual preference tend to degrade their side's credibility and draw attention to the vacuous nature of their arguments. Attempts to brand vocal opponents as hypocrites does not serve the pro-trading cause very well either, except perhaps as only a distraction from an apparently unsupportable position. I find it laughable that Polarbear was singled out here in that way. I can't think of anyone in this forum with more integrity than he has, and I though his arguments and his analogy were right on target. I was surprised that links were chosen that actually proved that Polarbear showed due diligence in selecting invitees to Waffles and Libble. The poster had to go all the way back to his first two giveaways as a newcomer to the invites section to find what might remotely be seen as casual giveaways to lessor known trackers. And the one asking advice on how to start a poll? The only reason I can think of for adding that one is to look like one more example of hypocrisy to those readers who didn't check the links and assumed they all had some sort of validity. They didn't.

If I may be so presumptuous as to offer some advice to my pro-trading friends, I would simply recommend that when participating in threads like this, just state your case. Many people have open minds here and you just might win people over, recruiting more traders, producing access to more trackers, thus improving you own chances to obtain more trophies, and achieve higher status! Attacking anti trading members tends to create sympathy for them, and ultimately hurts your argument. It might also create some hard feelings that can come back to haunt you.

[SenorBubbz]

damn whitmar... you don't give 2 cents, you give thousands of dollars, lol

I say let people trade, it provides a bigger community to the tracker. Yes, some may be cheaters but there are also cheaters with good communications skills that can make friends and still get the invite, so it doesn't matter. Better to let him get the invite by trading, so he gets banned sooner.

[whitmar]

Sorry for the double post. Don't know how that happened.

[Skiz]

Rofl. If only the whole internet was as spineless as you. There would never be arguements.

"You suck!"
"Thats not funny"
"Oh sorry, i take back what i said"

I just remembered how gay the moderators are here... one more infraction and I'm banned.

If you don't like us or how we moderate, I'd be more than willing to assist you in fucking off. :happy:

[Rumblin]

he means happy skizo, dont take it to hard

[grimms]

My 2 cents here, even though some of my staff disagree with me.

Invite trading i dont realy care about. lets say we opened another tracker, (we are games atm, so lets say a music tracker) we gave invites out. The trader want`s a movie tracker, but the person on the movie tracker want`s a Music tracker, so they trade and we hopefully get a good member, and he might even become a better member than the trader.

but i suppose thats because we are a specialist tracker. I can understand these top lvl sites not wanting invite trading, as the trader might go to another top lvl site and like that better and never come back (im sure its not the only reason they don`t like it but its one of them i bet).

and if you trade and your invitee is a cheater (could happen in a giveaway on a public forum and to a personal friend as well) then just take the invites away from them.

What i dont agree with is Account trading, but as that isnt the subject of this post, i will let that one go.

We share the same view my friend. Invite trading i'm not really against. (Don't engage in it, but have offered exchanges in the past not knowing some perceive it to be trading, so i don't do that anymore) Now account trading is a no no, I am an anti-trader and don't like to offer my services to those members (unless you have a really really good compelling story about how you reformed from trading, still probably won't get an invite from me though) But i agree account traders risk others people accounts getting banned and the trackers quality degrading cause of the influx of possibly more traders int he future. Thats my one to all real talk.;)

[mrnobody]

I just remembered how gay the moderators are here... one more infraction and I'm banned.

If you don't like us or how we moderate, I'd be more than willing to assist you in fucking off. :happy:

:lol:

[jonny81985]

Wow this thread really took off, Its good to see some conversation atleast but can we atleast try and be nice to eachother. There is no need to pick on anyone. we all have our beliefs and we should respect others.

Jon

[Zaxx]

I just remembered how gay the moderators are here... one more infraction and I'm banned.

If you don't like us or how we moderate, I'd be more than willing to assist you in fucking off. :happy:

+1 roflmfao

No more 'gay' than you pming me begging for an FTN invite after your very first post here! :lol:

[pone44]

If u sign up n agree to rules.? u should follow them, i think that is the point. Respect n trust.

[grimms]

Yup agree 100% with pone on this one. Just respect the rules, enjoy the content, and have safe fun. But instead we have account traders running rampant everywhere making it hard for good legit members.

[stitched]

It amazes me how this debate typically progresses. It usually starts out reasonably enough, with those who deplore the practice of trading stating the facts that originally led them to that conclusion. By that, I mean facts such as: it's against tracker rules, it puts trackers at risk, it jeopardizes entire invite trees, etc.

I would expect the other side to respond with their own facts extolling the virtues of invite or account trading, e.g. it provides liquidity in the tracker "commodity market", it provides access to people who don't have the communication skills or integrity to seem trustworthy enough to be given a free invite, etc. (I am admittedly reaching, because I don't agree with trading in principle.) Pro-traders could undoubtedly come up with better arguments.

But they don't...

The least pugnacious retort is something like: "I'll trade all I want, and I don't care what anyone else thinks." Well, at least it's honest. I'm glad, though, this doesn't represent the vast majority of bit torrent community members, because there would be very little file sharing taking place. For that matter, there wouldn't have been many collaborating coders and web designers to have started the trackers in the first place with attitudes like that.

The pro-trading tactics I find most objectionable are those that personally attack members who state opposing views. Comments about someone not acting their age or speculations about a member's sexual preference tend to degrade their side's credibility and draw attention to the vacuous nature of their arguments. Attempts to brand vocal opponents as hypocrites does not serve the pro-trading cause very well either, except perhaps as only a distraction from an apparently unsupportable position. I find it laughable that Polarbear was singled out here in that way. I can't think of anyone in this forum with more integrity than he has, and I though his arguments and his analogy were right on target. I was surprised that links were chosen that actually proved that Polarbear showed due diligence in selecting invitees to Waffles and Libble. The poster had to go all the way back to his first two giveaways as a newcomer to the invites section to find what might remotely be seen as casual giveaways to lessor known trackers. And the one asking advice on how to start a poll? The only reason I can think of for adding that one is to look like one more example of hypocrisy to those readers who didn't check the links and assumed they all had some sort of validity. They didn't.

If I may be so presumptuous as to offer some advice to my pro-trading friends, I would simply recommend that when participating in threads like this, just state your case. Many people have open minds here and you just might win people over, recruiting more traders, producing access to more trackers, thus improving you own chances to obtain more trophies, and achieve higher status! Attacking anti trading members tends to create sympathy for them, and ultimately hurts your argument. It might also create some hard feelings that can come back to haunt you.

i wasnt trying to single out polarbear,i dont even know him, its just the way he would react to situations,and his talks...i was just asking him not to pick on some one in particular because this was not the first thread he(ideal,anti-trader) picked on supper (trader) about how supper speaks his english,the way he speaks .....like everything is perfect about polarbear....when his old giveaway posts are brought to light he should have just accepted the fact that yes,he had flawed in his past just like everyone else ,instead he defends himself by making fun of supper saying sumthing like "


there is more :D:huh:

:wub: mmmh, baby. i turns me on when you browse through my post history. please give me more you sexy little boy. :kiss:

....before all this happened he said something like "now everyone (including the good members who kept their cards) is pretty pissed at those who traded them away to strangers, because they are the ones who betrayed the club and ruined all the fun." about how traders make the rest of the community members pissed and how traders betray the community...may be you should read his whole thread again it meant a lot more then that...now when some one makes such a statement he better believe in it, if u argue that those giveaways posts are very old""rSR giveaway" "IT giveaway",polarbear is now a changed man and he will never break the rules...what about traders."once a trader is always a trader"
when i said i wont trade this is what he had to say


the point is, that you seem to be one of those opportunists who trade when they have the chance and claim to never trade again the next day.

i respect people who stand for what they are. may it be a trader or not.

if a non-trader offers you an invite, you will be the first to say: i quit trading, i will never trade again."

this annoys me. and not the fact that you are a trader.

honestly i don't care at all wether you trade, get scammed or anything.

i just don't like hypocrisy.
and you accuse me of manipulating the readers..its either you cant see or u chose not to see ...who is manipulating who..

well i believe giveaways is as bad as trading.....just that when you trade you r asking for something in return.....i did what i tot was necessary then...when anti traders make a giveaway its something divine,when traders trade they dont have a life,they r a bunch of losers.....i requested(begged) for my invites too just like every one else,guess what my requests(begging) doesnt work...i have to earn what i want myself and dont advice me to make friends i already have enough of them i dont need more.....no one should accuse nobody of anything unless they cheat or try and sell their invites or scam someone ....that should be the only rule...anyways forget it.,i have lately lost interest in bittorrenting...soo no one will be hearing from me in the invites section,since fsc has closed down invites...i wont be trading after all...are you trying to suggest lessor known trackers = their rules dont matter,anyone can do what they want with it...people always see what they want to see,it works both ways...

[chiefosceola]

...nvm to long winded and wont be read. Let me sum up which will be said. Ummmmm....trading is bad m'kay. Oh wait trading is the only way to get what you want mmmmmmkay. Invites are meant to be free as long as they go to me mmmmkaay. Pretend to be nice, spam other ppl threads, give the same advice that has been given a hundred times before and/or use google and you will seem wise. What other ones have I seen....? Ah yes, the traders turned anti-traders to get that elusive invite then turn supposedly neutral and spout shit (mind you same shit everytime just worded different) about the rules of a site they have broken many time before. If you want my advice, stay out of the invite section, use the bittorent section for informative post which is few and far between (My god you guys are the spamminest sons of bitches around) and stick to your favorite trackers both in forum and IRC and you will go farther.

[grimms]

chiefoscelo pretty valid point you got going on there. I feel the same way i am an anti trader but do feel like being your self, being trustworthy to good members whether your a non trader like myself or a trader (for that movement), being noticed in a positive light is whats going to get people to like you, wanna gravitate towards you and also offer you invites to sites you may or may not like. I pretty much got FSC, FTN, and iTS in the same week, due to helping others, making friends, being respectful, participating in discussions, and most importantly being myself. So i can see where your coming from. Best policy is to keep it real and honest. Lying and being deceitful won't get you anywhere.

[stitched]

...nvm to long winded and wont be read. Let me sum up which will be said. Ummmmm....trading is bad m'kay. Oh wait trading is the only way to get what you want mmmmmmkay. Invites are meant to be free as long as they go to me mmmmkaay. Pretend to be nice, spam other ppl threads, give the same advice that has been given a hundred times before and/or use google and you will seem wise. What other ones have I seen....? Ah yes, the traders turned anti-traders to get that elusive invite then turn supposedly neutral and spout shit (mind you same shit everytime just worded different) about the rules of a site they have broken many time before. If you want my advice, stay out of the invite section, use the bittorent section for informative post which is few and far between (My god you guys are the spamminest sons of bitches around) and stick to your favorite trackers both in forum and IRC and you will go farther.
nuthing is good or bad...its just the way you see it....i tot you said just be yourself and you will get the invites you deserve..and now you want me to pretend to be nice...your post is confusing sir..or may be i dont have the skills/iq to understand what you have said in between....and thanks for your suggestion, like i said i dont want invite to no tracker at this moment..i guess maybe the ones who need it will use your sugesstion..what do u mean by "spamming" if u call me a spammer then i guess u r new here ..u havent met the professionals

[grimms]

Stitch don't fret, just know the whole point to chiefosceola post is being yourself whether your a trader or anti-trader, good user or bad users (bad users should take heed and read up). It's harder for traders though, you may get sites faster but you got alot more to prove and i find it's harder to have to proof things, also you lose trust in good members here and on other communities(IMO) I welcome all criticism or any corrections if needed to my post.

[LordS]

Trading is gay, simple.

Summed up the whole thread and any discussion in the future.

[fatcat69]

Trading is gay, simple.


:lol:

Couldnt have said it better :lol:

[iNSOMNiA]

Maybe not as gay as your site but still..

[fatcat69]

Maybe not as gay as your site but still..

Wow...I hope you didnt spend all night thinking of that funny one liner.

:lol::lol:

http://incarna.andablog.com/2007/10/08/loserLarge.jpg

[iNSOMNiA]

Speaking the truth.. You should lurk moar and learn when to shut the fuck up instead of trying to look good to a random tracker staff. Fag.

[fatcat69]

Speaking the truth.. You should lurk moar and learn when to shut the fuck up instead of trying to look good to a random tracker staff. Fag.


LoL look good? I dont need to look good, all the staff at sites know who I am. They will all vouch for me...will any vouch for you?

Didnt think so junior...

So stop being a immature little kid by pouting on an internet forum for no reason...

:lol:

[Zaxx]

The phrase 'open mouth, insert foot' comes to mind about now. :mellow:

[Diiyad]

It amazes me how this debate typically progresses. It usually starts out reasonably enough, with those who deplore the practice of trading stating the facts that originally led them to that conclusion. By that, I mean facts such as: it's against tracker rules, it puts trackers at risk, it jeopardizes entire invite trees, etc.

I would expect the other side to respond with their own facts extolling the virtues of invite or account trading, e.g. it provides liquidity in the tracker "commodity market", it provides access to people who don't have the communication skills or integrity to seem trustworthy enough to be given a free invite, etc. (I am admittedly reaching, because I don't agree with trading in principle.) Pro-traders could undoubtedly come up with better arguments.

But they don't...

The least pugnacious retort is something like: "I'll trade all I want, and I don't care what anyone else thinks." Well, at least it's honest. I'm glad, though, this doesn't represent the vast majority of bit torrent community members, because there would be very little file sharing taking place. For that matter, there wouldn't have been many collaborating coders and web designers to have started the trackers in the first place with attitudes like that.

The pro-trading tactics I find most objectionable are those that personally attack members who state opposing views. Comments about someone not acting their age or speculations about a member's sexual preference tend to degrade their side's credibility and draw attention to the vacuous nature of their arguments. Attempts to brand vocal opponents as hypocrites does not serve the pro-trading cause very well either, except perhaps as only a distraction from an apparently unsupportable position. I find it laughable that Polarbear was singled out here in that way. I can't think of anyone in this forum with more integrity than he has, and I though his arguments and his analogy were right on target. I was surprised that links were chosen that actually proved that Polarbear showed due diligence in selecting invitees to Waffles and Libble. The poster had to go all the way back to his first two giveaways as a newcomer to the invites section to find what might remotely be seen as casual giveaways to lessor known trackers. And the one asking advice on how to start a poll? The only reason I can think of for adding that one is to look like one more example of hypocrisy to those readers who didn't check the links and assumed they all had some sort of validity. They didn't.

If I may be so presumptuous as to offer some advice to my pro-trading friends, I would simply recommend that when participating in threads like this, just state your case. Many people have open minds here and you just might win people over, recruiting more traders, producing access to more trackers, thus improving you own chances to obtain more trophies, and achieve higher status! Attacking anti trading members tends to create sympathy for them, and ultimately hurts your argument. It might also create some hard feelings that can come back to haunt you.

Welcome to FST.
I know FSC starts with an 'F' too, but they're completely different ;)

[yacine911]

i agree

[LordS]

lol. Gotta love the idiocy displayed by some members.

I have to admit I'm starting to warm to this place, everytime u come back you suddenly feel smarter and even better about yourself seeing how retarded others are ;)

insomnia being a great example :p

edit: wtf is this BT rep thing?

[grimms]

Flaming others is not going to get you any respect insomnia. Tone it down a bit.


Wow this thread really took off, Its good to see some conversation atleast but can we atleast try and be nice to eachother. There is no need to pick on anyone. we all have our beliefs and we should respect others.

Jon

I wish it was that easy young grasshopper.:happy: j/k this always happens. Somebody starts a thread then it completely diverges into something else. Small ego's meets large ego's, which turns into some people getting emo, misconstruing the facts, and bashing one anothers opinions to get over on the other person or people, yada, yada, yada.:yup::whistling It's verbal war son.;)



edit: wtf is this BT rep thing?

Too prove to others that your e-penis is 12 feet long.:whistling It's mostly to show others that you could be trusted depending on the amount that you have(basically i give you an invite you give me a rep point in exchange). I don't gauge peoples trustworthiness on rep points though. Good post history, seeing if your a trader or not, figuring out if your a potential good member is what i go by.;)

[jonny81985]

Flaming others is not going to get you any respect insomnia. Tone it down a bit.



I wish it was that easy young grasshopper.:happy: j/k this always happens. Somebody starts a thread then it completely diverges into something else. Small ego's meets large ego's, which turns into some people getting emo, misconstruing the facts, and bashing one anothers opinions to get over on the other person or people, yada, yada, yada.:yup::whistling It's verbal war son.;)



edit: wtf is this BT rep thing?

Too prove to others that your e-penis is 12 feet long.:whistling It's mostly to show others that you could be trusted depending on the amount that you have(basically i give you an invite you give me a rep point in exchange). I don't gauge peoples trustworthiness on rep points though. Good post history, seeing if your a trader or not, figuring out if your a potential good member is what i go by.;)


Thats the best way to look at it, Alot of traders have a high rep count but you probably dont want them in your invite tree.

IMO you can usually tell what kind of person someone is just by talking to them briefly. Granted there are scam artists out there so you gotta be careful, but post history is huge :)

[grimms]

Yea man i hate scammers their worse then traders. Even though most if not all scam artists are traders. Hmm...I guess their one in the same (does that make any sense?). Yea.. all you really can do is talk with someone through pm, check their post history, just analyze the things they write and say in the forums. I usually could spot traders instantly (which then means you get no love from me, even though the'll say they don't care for emo purposes). But I like to associate myself with good trusted members.

[jonny81985]

You know what else sucks, these traders and scammers will do anything to get invites. I get a lot of PM's asking for invites to some higher level sites and when I refuse (becasue they are traders or scammers) they get really mad and begin to start shit. I try to ignore these people but they are very persistent at times.

Does anyone else have this problem?

Maybe it is because I have done a few giveaways lately so people know what Trackers I have to offer. Either way it is really annoying

Jon

[Polarbear]

Does anyone else have this problem?


no, i don't get many pm's from people asking for invites.

[stitched]

one thing about people is you cant please them all...there will always be people who hate you and people who like you...no matter how big or how good or how right the person is,its always true.....and when its about bittorrenting,something as small as bittorrenting just do whatever you want...follow your own rules...know what is right and what is wrong..try and do the right as much as you can...again whats right for someone will not be right for someone else..in the end even this will pass, you will eventually lose interest in this whole invites concept just like everything else in life...

and stop messing with people during this small phase of their lives while they r bittorrenting with how to and not to obtain invites.. every one has better bigger problems to be worried about...and some stupid site will absolutely have little or no significance in their lives 10 years from now...atleast for 90% of the bittorrent users its true...

[LordS]

But I didnt do anything to receive this +1 BT Rep.

I dont even know how to check who gave it to me.

[Sylar666]

You know what else sucks, these traders and scammers will do anything to get invites. I get a lot of PM's asking for invites to some higher level sites and when I refuse (becasue they are traders or scammers) they get really mad and begin to start shit. I try to ignore these people but they are very persistent at times.

Does anyone else have this problem?

Maybe it is because I have done a few giveaways lately so people know what Trackers I have to offer. Either way it is really annoying

Jon
Just disable PMs, Dude. That's the solution.

[SgtMajor]

You know what else sucks, these traders and scammers will do anything to get invites. I get a lot of PM's asking for invites to some higher level sites and when I refuse (becasue they are traders or scammers) they get really mad and begin to start shit. I try to ignore these people but they are very persistent at times.

Does anyone else have this problem?

Maybe it is because I have done a few giveaways lately so people know what Trackers I have to offer. Either way it is really annoying

Jon

But your sig says to PM you, you can't have it both ways:

Signature

If you need help dont hesitate to PM me
Thats what I am here for
FST rocks

Jon

Traversely, I get no PMs, I wonder why! ;)

[fatcat69]

Traversely, I get no PMs, I wonder why! ;)

Idk how that works for you, I still get bundles. I mean not as many as when I didnt have my sig...but I still get them.

[grimms]

I don't get alot of pms but i know why. I am very strict. Don't even ask for invites unless you know for sure, i know that your a trusted member or you see me mentioning it in a giveaway. Pm'ing me for advice is always fine though.

[fOrUmAs]

You know what else sucks, these traders and scammers will do anything to get invites. I get a lot of PM's asking for invites to some higher level sites and when I refuse (becasue they are traders or scammers) they get really mad and begin to start shit. I try to ignore these people but they are very persistent at times.

Does anyone else have this problem?


hehe yea i have recived many times from different guys/girls with one post to send them FTN or some other tracker invite,but most are for FTN:D

but i dont hate them at all,they need to try luck

:)

[grimms]

Trick is not to put the sites your on in your sig. When i had them in my sig i got loads of pms. Now i'm just fan of everyday things i either play or use.

[SHUVT]

I read all my PMs oh wait I have not had access to them in 6 months...ha

[pandabear]

lol. Gotta love the idiocy displayed by some members.

I have to admit I'm starting to warm to this place, everytime u come back you suddenly feel smarter and even better about yourself seeing how retarded others are ;)

insomnia being a great example :p

edit: wtf is this BT rep thing?

Heh your not too smart yourself, if you remember a certain IQ test :P
And people will bt rep you when your staff in hope you will give them an invite :shifty:

Also oddly enough no body pms me, apart from a rare one, so i usually just humour them.

[Sylar666]

Trick is not to put the sites your on in your sig. When i had them in my sig i got loads of pms. Now i'm just fan of everyday things i either play or use.
No offense, but this is just FUN at the end of the day...U join these amazing communities (like FST) and always hope that U find guys with similar field of interest. Then U realize how dead-serious some people take this whole BitTorrent - issue. RL always has priority, and some tend to forget it.

[fatcat69]

Trick is not to put the sites your on in your sig. When i had them in my sig i got loads of pms. Now i'm just fan of everyday things i either play or use.
No offense, but this is just FUN at the end of the day...U join these amazing communities (like FST) and always hope that U find guys with similar field of interest. Then U realize how dead-serious some people take this whole BitTorrent - issue. RL always has priority, and some tend to forget it.

So ironic that you are posting this. You have the reputation to flip out on people all the time on this forum, and seem to like bragging alot too:lol::lol::lol:

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/peace_irony.jpg

[rvt]

But I didnt do anything to receive this +1 BT Rep.

I dont even know how to check who gave it to me.

Given by aolemy (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/members/-188671)
Comment: ya gamed man

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/members/lords-191799 then click BT Rep

[silhoutte]

But I didnt do anything to receive this +1 BT Rep.

I dont even know how to check who gave it to me.

Given by aolemy (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/members/-188671)
Comment: ya gamed man

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/members/lords-191799 then click BT Rep

Why should he give such a comment? :thinking:

[Sylar666]

@fatrat
I don't care about U, Honey. Neither about Your solid judgement. I have a lot of fun here - especially because of poor souls like u. This is fun, baby. But yet again, there are so many stupid questions and remarks - yours is no exception. Hope no offense made - and yes, i don't wanna please U. Not now, and not in the future. But U have every right to these constructive posts, kid. Just try to make at least 10% of giveaways i did, bloke...And, Oh, I can't marry, U...

[fatcat69]

@fatrat
I don't care about U, Honey. Neither about Your solid judgement. I have a lot of fun here - especially because of poor souls like u. This is fun, baby. But yet again, there are so many stupid questions and remarks - yours is no exception. Hope no offense made - and yes, i don't wanna please U. Not now, and not in the future. But U have every right to these constructive posts, kid. Just try to make at least 10% of giveaways i did, bloke...And, Oh, I can't marry, U...


If you didnt care you wouldnt have responded.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

and as for giveaways, unlike you, I dont need to brag about it, so I do it in private, and trust me, you havent handed out nearly as many invites as me...plenty of people on this forum can attest to that.

[silhoutte]

@fatrat
I don't care about U, Honey. Neither about Your solid judgement. I have a lot of fun here - especially because of poor souls like u. This is fun, baby. But yet again, there are so many stupid questions and remarks - yours is no exception. Hope no offense made - and yes, i don't wanna please U. Not now, and not in the future. But U have every right to these constructive posts, kid. Just try to make at least 10% of giveaways i did, bloke...And, Oh, I can't marry, U...

I liked it except for that in bold. I think, its not necessary. In fact, there are so many giveaways now, but noone seems to want them. You will not get as many requests now if you start a giveaway. lol

[Sylar666]

If you didnt care you wouldnt have responded.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I like Your style, fatrat.;)

[fatcat69]

If you didnt care you wouldnt have responded.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I like Your style, fatrat.;)

Keep showing everyone your beautiful personality...we all adore it so much:lol:

Found a pic of your tattoo btw...
http://www.beautifulontheinside.com.au/blog/wp-content/themes/boti/images/footer.gif



hahaha:lol:

[silhoutte]

How do you know he is actually fatrat in a cat's clothing? :lol:

[Gmoney]

I have Trecker electronik I will SCT P.M me

[pandabear]

:o some people do take this shit all too seriously.

[grimms]

Yes indeed.

[Dark Archon]

Leave traders alone < Chris Crocker
http://i6.tinypic.com/6prl5x1.jpg

[FatBob]

can i get pm's too requesting invites ? kinda makes me feel important i guess

but then am gona tell you to fudge off because that kinda makes me more cool i guess

[grimms]

It just getss annoying. Especially if you don't know the person. If i know somebody it's cool, but if i don't know you i will get upset.