is filesharingtalk classed as a 'warez' site?

[djkemp1]

hi all,

hope you can help. i heard that 'warez sites' get in bother quite a bit and individuals who use them can get in trouble.

i just wanted to know is this site or rlslog or vcdquality.com for example classed as 'warez sites' or are they safe to be on?

thanks for the help

[Skiz]

FST is safe, unless you live in some country that won't even let you "chat" about file sharing.

There are no illegal or copyrighted files hosted on this site whatsoever.

[LaPistola]

Short answer, no it is not a warez site.

[djkemp1]

thanks for the info, what about other sites that share release info such as rlslog and vcdquality e.g? or are they just information sites too, sorry a little confused

[Sonnentier]

I think Vcdq also only offers information about releases with no metadata or direct links.

With Rlslog I am a bit unsure. Sometimes the site offers Rapidshare links to samples, so they directly link to downloadable samples. A sample is part of the movie, I think you are also not allowed to distribute parts of a movie without authorization, but I'm not sure. Then also, rlslog often directly links to a Torrent on NewTorrents - not only automatically suggesting with which query to look for it, but directly deep linking to the specific torrent - I think this can also be seen as scienter action with the author directly involved in linking to a working torrent.

But release sites are of course not such a big target like the actual warez sites..

[djkemp1]

ah i see, yeah but then FST also links directly to torrents and nzb's so surely that would be saying that this site also acts the same as rlslog. can individuals get in trouble for visiting these 2 sites for example?

[Skiz]

FST hosts NZBs, yes. There is nothing illegal about that whatsoever.

That is completely different from hosting torrents which we do not do. Linking to such content is also against the rules and is expressly stated on the Rules page.

Doing so could bring FST into a different classification known as "third-party liability", which is something we do not want.


Rule 10 - Cracks/Keygens/Warez
Posting of direct download links to copyrighted material such as private ftp sites, serial numbers, warez sites and torrentlinks are prohibited. Posts directly or indirectly containing this information will be edited. Sig2dat quicklinks and hashes are NOT considered to be downloadable and will be allowed. Don't ask for torrents, cracks, serials or keygens to be posted, you are asking someone else to break this rule. Hacking/Cracking discussions are not allowed.

[djkemp1]

what is the difference then between a torrent and a nzb? surely they both allow you to download the content?

[100%]

if "warez" is defined as "empty words".
then yes,
it is.

[djkemp1]

"empty words"??

[tesco]

what is the difference then between a torrent and a nzb? surely they both allow you to download the content?nzb is like a torrent, but it's used on for newsgroups, not for bittorrent.;)

[djkemp1]

yes thats what im trying to say, a bit further up someone said that nzb's are fine but torrents aren't so why would nzb's not be classed as warez when torrents are?

[ideto]

Providing URls is diferent of talking about who provide them.
No it isn't.

;)

[emperor_prem]

thnx for the superb info

[tesco]

yes thats what im trying to say, a bit further up someone said that nzb's are fine but torrents aren't so why would nzb's not be classed as warez when torrents are?
Not sure.
IMO, Torrents are fine.
The only reason we don't allow torrents here is because of all the heat on torrent sites. RIAA sueing and stuff.
They don't go after NZB sites (yet).;)

[yayyyyyy]

Even in netherlands many sites has been seized and ppl invistegated just becouse there were ed2k links in them :)

http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-outfit-threatens-shareconnector-071114/

so for that... everything depends on where you live... in many countries ed2k links are the same as torrent trackers and both can be seized... in others (canada? sweden?) both appears legit :)

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-ed2k-verifieds-15/

[djkemp1]

so if thats the case then in the future this site could get in trouble for hosting nzb's. i think its a great site and can learn a lot from here so i would hate for it to ever go down because of nzb files that it hosts

[enoughfakefiles]

Why does the lounge have to have all the spam posts?

/my bad i thought i was in the lounge :lol::lol:

[djkemp1]

does anyone know if RLSLOG is a legit site? i don't want to visit sites that people could potentially get in trouble for for viewing. hope you can help and clear it up for me?

[kloot]

does anyone know if RLSLOG is a legit site? i don't want to visit sites that people could potentially get in trouble for for viewing. hope you can help and clear it up for me?

You can't get into any trouble for viewing rlslog. If the owner of the site is a serious filesharer aswel as running that site, then the site is the last of his/her worries if s/he gets caught.

[djkemp1]

ok so is it a legal site in the eyes of the law?

[Sawyer2020]

ok so is it a legal site in the eyes of the law?
sure m8 its legal site
give it try to look around all sections and see yourself :naughty:

[djkemp1]

how do u mean try and look round all sections?

[markupmaster]

I wouldn't classify it as a warez site...

[saqib]

this is bullshit , we r clean

[Sawyer2020]

how do u mean try and look round all sections?
:yup::yup::yup::yup:

[djkemp1]

no sorry i was talking of rlslog.net, is rlslog.net a legit and legal site?

[REALiSTiC]

i could say that FST is not a Warez site.
because it doesn't host illegally files in it's servers.

[Daisy]

no way !

[Swift]

i could say that FST is not a Warez site.
because it doesn't host illegally files in it's servers.
:yup:

[AvRiL LaViGnE]

it isn't a warez site

[Ri0T]

It's not a warez site. It's a site in which file sharing is discussed, just like it name says...

[djkemp1]

thanks for the info guys. does anyone know about the site RLSLOG.NET. is that site a legitimate and legal site?

[Mr JP Fugley]

I agree with Rossco. I see no intrinsic difference between NZB and Torrent files, from a technical viewpoint.

However I also agree with him in that it's currently torrent providers who are attracting all of the attention. Just look at what happened to Oink.

So from a purely pragmatic viewpoint it makes absolute sense for him to allow posting of NZB files but not torrent files. I'm sure he would agree that may change as the filesharing World changes.

Where I fundamentally disagree is this whole "invite trading" thing, as I think it leads to other people being put at risk. We have discussed that at some length elsewhere.

[grimms]

I agree with Rossco. I see no intrinsic difference between NZB and Torrent files, from a technical viewpoint.

However I also agree with him in that it's currently torrent providers who are attracting all of the attention. Just look at what happened to Oink.

So from a purely pragmatic viewpoint it makes absolute sense for him to allow posting of NZB files but not torrent files. I'm sure he would agree that may change as the filesharing World changes.

Where I fundamentally disagree is this whole "invite trading" thing, as I think it leads to other people being put at risk. We have discussed that at some length elsewhere.

Definitely agree. You save yourself a lot of hassle, headaches and legal problems by just disallowing hosting and links to torrent files on FST. NZB files are ok due to it not being a problem or even a grey area (Yet)as far as file sharing. That could all change but probably won't (Not at least for the time being).

To the OP, all the concerns you have as far as getting into trouble with the said sites you mentioned= no trouble at all (Unless your country prohibits any activity related to file sharing or even talk relating to file sharing).

Meaning if your sites do not ban the mention or access to file sharing resources then it should be ok. Reading the opinions of others is not problematic or illegal, meaning it is not illegal(In most places).

[brotherdoobie]

if "warez" is defined as "empty words".
then yes,
it is.


It isn't and I don't believe that as a whole - our words are empty.
Why do you, Zed?


-bd

[mbucari1]

yes thats what im trying to say, a bit further up someone said that nzb's are fine but torrents aren't so why would nzb's not be classed as warez when torrents are?
Not sure.
IMO, Torrents are fine.
The only reason we don't allow torrents here is because of all the heat on torrent sites. RIAA sueing and stuff.
They don't go after NZB sites (yet).;)

But all an nzb file is is a reference to a location of files. They're essentially no different from an RS link or a link to a page with RS link. An nzb points to the location on a server, just like a url.

[tesco]

Not sure.
IMO, Torrents are fine.
The only reason we don't allow torrents here is because of all the heat on torrent sites. RIAA sueing and stuff.
They don't go after NZB sites (yet).;)

But all an nzb file is is a reference to a location of files. They're essentially no different from an RS link or a link to a page with RS link. An nzb points to the location on a server, just like a url.
I'm well aware of what an NZB file is. I've done extensive work with them for this site... :blink:

[mbucari1]

But all an nzb file is is a reference to a location of files. They're essentially no different from an RS link or a link to a page with RS link. An nzb points to the location on a server, just like a url.
I'm well aware of what an NZB file is. I've done extensive work with them for this site... :blink:K, so why ban RS links? There's more heat on usenet right now than on hosting sites.

[SonsOfLiberty]

Ummm, no there's not, Rapidsahre is giving away customers details to the feds/cops/governement officials, not just the US ones either, I've only no of 1 or 2 nzb sites that are under pressure, one was closed due to the Wolverine leak, and the other one is FTD which is fightning since it's legal were they are....as far as I know, there has never been a letter sent to someone for download/uploading to Usenet, except in teh cases of child pron. And a NZB does not point to a URL or server, the client you use to download has to read the Message ID from the post, and it has to "decode" teh message, that's not even remotely the same as Rapidshit.

[mbucari1]

And a NZB does not point to a URL or server, the client you use to download has to read the Message ID from the post, and it has to "decode" teh message, that's not even remotely the same as Rapidshit.It's doesn't point to a specific server, that's where the differences end. An NZB is a specific location of a file. Yes, the newsreader has to read the message id and download the file. Similarily, the web browser has to resolve the domain and request the specific file. The newsreader decodes the download into a useable file, just like the user decodes a rar or a zip to get a useable file.

There's nothing "special" about usenet and nzb's. In the end it's binary data transfered over tcp/ip.

[SonsOfLiberty]

It's XML and as you can see it's quite different then Rapidshare....besides Raidshare links (for very hot titles) last days not 300 days. Thank god for my Firefox add-on when I do surf sites that have those links, it will have a green checkmark for good and red x for not there anymore, which is becoming more common, them not being there.

[mbucari1]

But it's still data pointing to other pirated data. The pointing data in itself is not illegal, but the data it points to is. In that sense, there is no difference. Semantics aside, they do the same thing.

[Villalltheway]

End of the day dont this site help distripute illegal downloads through its nzb files, so to say this site is a 100% legit site is not so accurate. The argument of saying that this site dont host these files but merely links to where the files are did not really work for the pirates bay.

[SonsOfLiberty]

Ummm, we not TPB, we don't have torrents, NZB's are not illegal in any country. It's not illegal to use Usenet. There may be a court case against Newzbin...guess we will have to wait to see how that plays out...but back to the point....it's not illegal matter of fact it's legal to download from Usenet (even pirated content) in some countries as an example look at the FTD case.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-news-section-95/t-why-usenet-community-ftd-went-after-brein-352307

or google FTD and find out for yourselfs.

[mbucari1]

Ummm, we not TPB, we don't have torrents, NZB's are not illegal in any country. It's not illegal to use Usenet. There may be a court case against Newzbin...guess we will have to wait to see how that plays out...but back to the point....it's not illegal matter of fact it's legal to download from Usenet (even pirated content) in some countries as an example look at the FTD case.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-news-section-95/t-why-usenet-community-ftd-went-after-brein-352307

or google FTD and find out for yourselfs.It's not illegal to download from RS either. And I'm sure there are countries where pirated downloads are legal (or at least not prosecuted). I've never said usenet is illegal, I've said that posting nzb's is inherently no different from posting RS links.

[SonsOfLiberty]

Sure it is, Rapidshare links last for a month maybe less maybe longer, Usenet now has 300 days and counting. It's not illegal to download from Rapidshit, but they (you know who they are) are watching your downloads and exspecailly your uploads...have fun having your details given out by Rapidshare....they've did it numerous times.

[mbucari1]

From what I've read, RS doesn't give details for downloaders, only uploaders. This is also similar to usenet in that providers have given out account details for uploaders (I think only in the case of child pornography) but not downloads (unless there are reports about RS that I haven't read about?).

Also, you didn't comment on the part of my previous part about the near-indetical nature of nzb's and url's. Do you agree?

[SonsOfLiberty]

Somewhat, a URL and a Message ID are two different things, you don't need a NZB to download a file, but you do need the URL to grab whatever from Rapishare, correct?

[mbucari1]

Agreed. I just thought that they were similar enough where if one was allowed both would be allowed.

[zot]

In practice, a "warez site" is anything the copyright cartel define it to be. There are no boundaries.

Does anyone remember the TV-links bust 2 years ago?

http://www.thenewfreedom.net/wp/2007/10/19/tv-linkscouk-raided-owner-arrested/

TV-links was a site that had links to YouTube, Google, and other supposedly "legal" video sites.

But despite that their sole "crime" was linking to pages on a legal website, TV-Links was busted. Theirs servers confiscated, and the admin and several mods (in more than one country) were arrested and their houses searched.

TV-links is only one of many sites to be busted this way. It seems that the one thing that the admins of all these busted 'link' sites had in common was that they all thought they were abiding by the letter of the law (since they hosted no actual content) and therefore had nothing to fear.

One busted site, ShareConnector, actually won its case in court, but the long, hard battle eventually took its toll, and the site admins lost the desire to keep on fighting, and shut down the ED2K site so they wouldn't any longer have to deal with additional lawsuits - both current and future.

[SonsOfLiberty]

Sharereactor lost in court and is back and looking pretty good...I'm a long time scene member from all those old ed2k sites...I was a mod at the one you mentioned above and Adi I don't think wanted to run the site anymore and hence the shutdown. In some countries Usenet is legal and download from Usenet is legal even if it's copyrighted work, because if you aren't sharing it and it's only for personal use they don't care...and no I don't remember the country it's in one of the news thread I posted but FTD is hosted there. Also, you can shutdown a tracker, but you can' shutdown Usenet for one simple reason, common carrier law.

[zot]

In the Sharereactor bust, the police did not seize the domain name, as is standard policy these days. But Sharereactor was not really a bust in the usual sense, because Simon Moon/Christian Reisen had an ongoing 'relationship' with the police for months before a judge ordered the servers seized at a court hearing - supposedly after Simon admitted that he was making a lot of money from ShareReactor. So it was not a true police raid in the usual sense.

These days the copyright orgs work hand-in-hand with the police (often across several countries simultaneously) and will seize the server, arrest the admin(s), and hijack the site's domain name at the same time.

Simon Moon probably could have immediately put ShareReactor back online (like the Pirate Bay did) from a backup since he never lost the domain name. But since the police let him keep his other servers (unlike TPB) he probably didn't want to push his luck, I'm sure. I don't remember exactly what the situation was with ShareConnector. It seemed that after Shareconnector was taken down, the attention shifted to torrent sites, and the remaining ed2k sites stayed out of the crosshairs.

Here in the USA it's not uncommon for the police to use SWAT teams to serve arrest warrants for non-violent crimes (typically drug charges) - and send them busting down the door in the middle of the night - but it seems that tactic has not caught on in the rest of the world yet.

I remember that in the early ed2k years, there were only a few people who were releasing the majority of files on index sites, and no one was ever busted, to my knowledge. Usenet might be much the same. At least Usenet can be a lot safer, since anyone can post NZBs without being the original uploader.

[iLOVENZB]

Ehh whats wrong with a xml document (NZB) or a bunch of numbers (Verified numbers)?

[$SnoopDo2G$]

Ehh whats wrong with a xml document (NZB) or a bunch of numbers (Verified numbers)?

.nzb files are just like .torrent files to me...
except that with that nzb u don't need to upload shit
but i don't see what's wrong with both neither.

[Gruelius]

its a warez site, no doubt about it.

But i dont think that they should be legally responsible or persecutable (or whatever the word is).

[lynx]

its a warez site, no doubt about it.

But i dont think that they should be legally responsible or persecutable (or whatever the word is).
Isn't it good to see that someone with so much experience of such things can give us the benefit of their wisdom. :dabs:

[turin]

I have been here for a long time and never gotten into trouble for it, so I would say it safe.

[Skiz]

its a warez site, no doubt about it.

But i dont think that they should be legally responsible or persecutable (or whatever the word is).

You obviously have a skewed definition of "warez".

"Warez" generally refers to releases of copyrighted materials in an illegal manner or in some way in violation of that softwares copyright intentions.

How could you possibly consider this site a warez site when we do not host anything or release anything at all for download? We don't even allow links to warez...

[ckrit]

its a warez site, no doubt about it.

But i dont think that they should be legally responsible or persecutable (or whatever the word is).

You obviously have a skewed definition of "warez".

"Warez" generally refers to releases of copyrighted materials in an illegal manner or in some way in violation of that softwares copyright intentions.

How could you possibly consider this site a warez site when we do not host anything or release anything at all for download? We don't even allow links to warez...
I'd class him as an idiot.

No doubts about it.

[abosamer]

yes thats what im trying to say, a bit further up someone said that nzb's are fine but torrents aren't so why would nzb's not be classed as warez when torrents are?
Not sure.
IMO, Torrents are fine.
The only reason we don't allow torrents here is because of all the heat on torrent sites. RIAA sueing and stuff.
They don't go after NZB sites (yet).;)

I think usenet got some trouble recently .;)

[Skiz]

I think usenet got some trouble recently .;)

Nope. Usenet.com got into trouble. And that was because they were stupid as fuck.

[abosamer]

I think usenet got some trouble recently .;)

Nope. Usenet.com got into trouble. And that was because they were stupid as fuck.

lol What is the difference between got some and got into ? they seems have the same meanings to me :P

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[kaffeine]

Nope. Usenet.com got into trouble. And that was because they were stupid as fuck.

lol What is the difference between got some and got into ? they seems have the same meanings to me :P

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The difference Skiz was talking about was not between got some and got into. It was between Usenet in general (which you were referring to) and Usenet.com (which is a site that provides usenet access). That is the site that got some, got into, trouble. Not usenet in general.

[DuneCat]

If you live in somewhere like North Korea, Yes :)