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$nax
07-30-2003, 06:37 PM
Looking at some of the posts i have seen on here, its not an entirely absurd idea that RIAA are on this messageboard trying to scare users.

Comments such as,

"Im not sharing my files nor shoudl anybody else, or we wil be caught."

and

"I dont like P2P, its bad"

and the list goes on.

It makes you think, the easiest way for the RIAA to reduce Kazaa users is through Scaremongering, an what better way to do it than on a message board :unsure:

cosmic doobie
07-30-2003, 06:44 PM
this is the most sensible post re: riaa i have read on here for days :)
scaremongers should be banned

IamCool
07-30-2003, 06:50 PM
&#036;nax, i think you work for the RIAA. <_<

cppwarrior00
07-30-2003, 07:09 PM
hey RIAA if you&#39;re reading, i have message for you

:devil: FUCK YOU RIAA AND YAH COULD SHOVE THE COPYRIGHT UP YOUR ASSES :devil:

mogadishu
07-30-2003, 10:38 PM
yes they are on the board and we should all go hide in our holes.

J'Pol
07-30-2003, 10:45 PM
I keep telling people I am a spy here.

Don&#39;t worry about it. You have freedom of expression.

You can say what you want.

The board is just a talking shop.

That is not an offence.

greystreet1
07-31-2003, 06:10 AM
I&#39;m smelling a witch hunt.

ripley02
07-31-2003, 06:30 PM
them riaa spies should just quit hiding. they are so aggressive about finding out everyone&#39;s identity but they cant make themselves known out in the open even on the boards? sorry bastards.

J'Pol
07-31-2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by ripley02@31 July 2003 - 19:30
them riaa spies should just quit hiding. they are so aggressive about finding out everyone&#39;s identity but they cant make themselves known out in the open even on the boards? sorry bastards.
I did - see above.

ripley02
07-31-2003, 09:01 PM
so do you yourself participate in filesharing? and not as means to share bogus files. let me ask you this also, since you are employee of riaa/mpaa do they make you sign or agree not to use any p2p programs? if you do use p2p for illegal means then why do you work for antipiracy organization but only if you do.

Rat Faced
07-31-2003, 09:15 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You have a bite there JPaul...dont reel him in too quick now..

J'Pol
07-31-2003, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by ripley02@31 July 2003 - 22:01
so do you yourself participate in filesharing? and not as means to share bogus files. let me ask you this also, since you are employee of riaa/mpaa do they make you sign or agree not to use any p2p programs? if you do use p2p for illegal means then why do you work for antipiracy organization but only if you do.
I share more files than you can imagine. This persona shares in excess of 14,000 - over 110 GB.

It&#39;s not illegal, I work for the people who own the copyright, therefore I have permission to do what I want with them. That&#39;s the point.

Of course I don&#39;t sign that I won&#39;t use p2p, that&#39;s what I&#39;m paid to do. Share files to get the IP of people who get them from me.

It is legal for me to put them online, it is illegal for you to take them. It&#39;s like the police leaving a car unlocked (called a rat trap). If you take it it is theft.

Please feel free to come over to the Soul Seek room and ask after me. I use a different name there, but I am the one with around 14,500 files, normally the second or third highest. Most people there can identify my name there. In fact minimal research here will identify that other name.

Download what you want, please.

Mosfos
07-31-2003, 10:58 PM
I don&#39;t think they would waste time on a discussion board :P

DJ_Mutey
08-01-2003, 12:27 AM
Jpaul - thats so crazy&#33; so if you get more of the same Ip that people download from you they are most likely to be put on the list?

DasScoot
08-01-2003, 04:47 AM
Can the RIAA actually do that? Give one person permission to give away a song, but not give permission to the other guy to recieve it? :blink: How could it be given away if it can&#39;t get recieved?


That&#39;s like handing a guy a baseball bat, asking him to hit me, then suing him when he does it.

Adster
08-01-2003, 06:17 AM
People who are parnoid are just letting the RIAA win

I love the challenge becaseu i knwo Ill win easy :P

Renegade720
08-01-2003, 06:43 AM
not only are the RIAA on the board they are jacking off to sweet sweet kazaa porn at blazing speeds...damn pigs :blink:

J'Pol
08-01-2003, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by DasScoot@1 August 2003 - 05:47
Can the RIAA actually do that? Give one person permission to give away a song, but not give permission to the other guy to recieve it? :blink: How could it be given away if it can&#39;t get recieved?


That&#39;s like handing a guy a baseball bat, asking him to hit me, then suing him when he does it.
Of course we can. If you own the copyright you can do what you want with the file. That&#39;s the point.

I make it available, but I don&#39;t give you my permission to take it.

Think about the car again. If I leave e my car open, with the key in the ignition and the engine running can you drive away in it.

No it would be stealing.

If I leave my front door open, can you come in and take what you want.

No it would be stealing.

If I have files on my hard drive and you can see them can you take them.

No it&#39;s still stealing.

Think about it, the logical way to catch you is for me to place the files there. Then when you take them i can get your IP. With your IP I can go to your ISP and get your details. The rest is a piece of cake. People will be prosecuted when we are ready to do it, not when it suits you. The evidence is being gathered.

It doesnīt involve baseball bats at all.

$nax
08-01-2003, 09:30 PM
nice little story, with the car and shit,
Have you heard of
Entrapment

Yes if i stole the car, and you had leave the door open, with the engine running, waiting for me to steal it, then in court the case would be thrown out because its entrapment.

Because you have not alarmed your car or taken security procusions which is considered the actions of a "Reasonable" person, then it is considered entrapment, especially when you have come on this board admitting the only reason you share files is to TRAP kazaa lite users.

So unfortunately your method would not be legal.

Thankyou and good day. :)

DasScoot
08-01-2003, 09:54 PM
Putting a file up on Kazaa is a lot less passive than just leaving your door unlocked. It&#39;s more like putting your TV out on the curb with a sign saying "Take this&#33;&#39;

Arm
08-02-2003, 12:19 AM
GODDAMN IT PIRATING MP3S IS NOT STEALING :angry: :angry: It is merly copyright infringement. :P

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by &#036;nax@1 August 2003 - 22:30
nice little story, with the car and shit,
Have you heard of
Entrapment

Yes if i stole the car, and you had leave the door open, with the engine running, waiting for me to steal it, then in court the case would be thrown out because its entrapment.

Because you have not alarmed your car or taken security procusions which is considered the actions of a "Reasonable" person, then it is considered entrapment, especially when you have come on this board admitting the only reason you share files is to TRAP kazaa lite users.

So unfortunately your method would not be legal.

Thankyou and good day. :)
Specious nonsense.

It cannot be entrapment, because I am not a law enforcement officer. I am a civilian. RIAA is not law enforsement, we can only gather evidence and give it to the authorities, believe me the political donations really help.

I ran into a shop, leaving the engine running, because I was in a hurry. You drove off in it, that is stealing.

Thank you and enjoy your 3 free meals a day.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by DasScoot@1 August 2003 - 22:54
Putting a file up on Kazaa is a lot less passive than just leaving your door unlocked. It&#39;s more like putting your TV out on the curb with a sign saying "Take this&#33;&#39;
Not even remotely analagous.

There is no sign on my hard drive saying take this.

Neither is there any implied offer. Trust me, we have checked with some very expensive lawyers. Both in the US and Europe.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by Arm@2 August 2003 - 01:19
GODDAMN IT PIRATING MP3S IS NOT STEALING :angry: :angry: It is merly copyright infringement. :P
Which is an offence which may be dealt with criminally or civily.

In the majority of case we will deal with the matter civily, i.e. sue people. If they are only sharing for personal use.

However for people who do this for profit we will deal with it in the criminal courts.
There are plenty of test cases where people have been imprisoned for selling pirate CDs Videos and DVDs, this is no different.

If this does not succeed we will become more draconian.

Adster
08-02-2003, 10:12 AM
yeah but since when is downloading data illegal??? mp3s are data am I wrong??

shelly
08-02-2003, 10:19 AM
;) Well thanks J Paul if I ever get caught then I tell them that I got the files from you because there is permission on your your computer allowing file sharing it called"disable sharing of files with other users" and if you have not marked this its "allowing" files to be shared from you with your permission &#33;

So how many " legal" Files are you sharing :P

[QUOTE]I share more files than you can imagine. This persona shares in excess of 14,000 - over 110 GB.

It&#39;s not illegal, I work for the people who own the copyright, therefore I have permission to do what I want with them.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Hogster@2 August 2003 - 11:12
yeah but since when is downloading data illegal??? mp3s are data am I wrong??
You are wrong.

Under the terms of the DPA, data in electronic form is considered to be the same as any document.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by shelly@2 August 2003 - 11:19
;) Well thanks J Paul if I ever get caught then I tell them that I got the files from you because there is permission on your your computer allowing file sharing it called"disable sharing of files with other users" and if you have not marked this its "allowing" files to be shared from you with your permission &#33;

So how many " legal" Files are you sharing :P

[QUOTE]I share more files than you can imagine. This persona shares in excess of 14,000 - over 110 GB.

It&#39;s not illegal, I work for the people who own the copyright, therefore I have permission to do what I want with them.
The files are tagged, therefore we will know where you got them from anyway.

Like I said earlier the fact that I have them online is not an implied permission for you to take them. Whether I switch this option on or not.

The is the opinion of very senior counsel, expert in international copyright law.

Adster
08-02-2003, 10:47 AM
yes but doesnt it come to the term of open soure??? the person who created mp3s would own the copyright

like MS don&#39;t want other software development to ripp off there file extentions

shelly
08-02-2003, 11:03 AM
The files are tagged, therefore we will know where you got them from anyway.

Like I said earlier the fact that I have them online is not an implied permission for you to take them. Whether I switch this option on or not.

The is the opinion of very senior counsel, expert in international copyright law.[/QUOTE]



:unsure: I think you are Wriggling now&#33;

since when has a opinion been a fact of Law ?

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by shelly@2 August 2003 - 12:03


The files are tagged, therefore we will know where you got them from anyway.

Like I said earlier the fact that I have them online is not an implied permission for you to take them. Whether I switch this option on or not.

The is the opinion of very senior counsel, expert in international copyright law.



:unsure: I think you are Wriggling now&#33;

since when has a opinion been a fact of Law ? [/quote]
I didnīt mean to suggest that it was (other than expert opinion) which you obviously realise has an entirely diferent status than normal testimony.

All I was saying was that opinion was sought from experts. This is common practice for law enforcement, large companies etc.

The law (including legislation) is not made until it has been tested. There are then stated cases on which the rest of the law is based.

I am sure you realise all of this, the point is that in the opinion of senior counsel there is no problem with this tactic.

There are other potential problems, but for obvious reasons I wonīt go into them.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Hogster@2 August 2003 - 11:47
yes but doesnt it come to the term of open soure??? the person who created mp3s would own the copyright

like MS don&#39;t want other software development to ripp off there file extentions
Open source copyright :lol:

Surely that would verge on an oxymoron.

ISthisLEGAL.com
08-02-2003, 11:15 AM
Hi jpaul, this is abit off topic but ive just thought of something, if we down load tagged albums they get are I.P`s and sue us if we produced the original albums that we down loaded meaning we would own the copyright would charges be dropped???

If so we could just buy the albums if we got busted&#33;

what are your views on this?

RealitY
08-02-2003, 11:23 AM
@JPaul
I pissed myself lauging reading this post, it is quite absurd although you have truly outdone yourself. Although Shelly is close to poping that bubble.

Also may I have your IP so that I can dl directly dl from you before you hall me away. I also hope you have some porn I can bring to the big house with me.

As for everyone else...
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/300153/SpongeBobPants.jpg <<== JPaul Is In Ya
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by ISthisLEGAL.com@2 August 2003 - 12:15
Hi jpaul, this is abit off topic but ive just thought of something, if we down load tagged albums they get are I.P`s and sue us if we produced the original albums that we down loaded meaning we would own the copyright would charges be dropped???

If so we could just buy the albums if we got busted&#33;

what are your views on this?
It really depends where you are, that is one of the complications.

For example in the UK you cannot make a copy of an album, even for personal use. Donīt listen to what people tell you it simply is not the case. So that wouldnīt work.

You can make reasonable use copies in the US. So your theory has some grounds.

However as the files are tagged they obviously are not copies from the album. As such you would have to convince the Court that there was a reason you downloaded the file rather than copying it from the CD which you claim to have owned at the time.

I feel my argument that you simply stole it would be more plausible, however we can let the Judge decide.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by REALITY@2 August 2003 - 12:23
@JPaul
I pissed myself lauging reading this post, it is quite absurd although you have truly outdone yourself. Although Shelly is close to poping that bubble.

Also may I have your IP so that I can dl directly dl from you before you hall me away. I also hope you have some porn I can bring to the big house with me.

As for everyone else...
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/300153/SpongeBobPants.jpg <<== JPaul Is In Ya
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
As I said earlier, please come over to the SS room and take what you want, thatīs what they are there for. ;)

shelly
08-02-2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by REALITY@2 August 2003 - 11:23
@JPaul
I pissed myself lauging reading this post, it is quite absurd although you have truly outdone yourself. Although Shelly is close to poping that bubble.

Also may I have your IP so that I can dl directly dl from you before you hall me away. I also hope you have some porn I can bring to the big house with me.

As for&nbsp; everyone else...
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/300153/SpongeBobPants.jpg <<== JPaul Is In Ya
:lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:
:lol: Nice one Reality&#33; :lol: :lol:

I think he should give us his IP and a list so we can see if its even worth it to DL from him,

Also he keeps saying he not a law enforcment officer and as far as I know if he "RIAA" are tracking and coping files for "Evidance" then they are breaking the law.

In some Countrys only A Judge can allow such actions and only against a certain person who is copying and selling it.

I think they are doing more damage to themselves at the moment, because even if they win this round there are lots of great guys out there who will find a way around this, So till then :wub:

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 11:48 AM
To monitor who is taking stuff from our servers is not illegal.

To download from you is not illegal, we own the copyright so we are the only people who can legally do it.

To access your hdd remotely would only be legal with a court order. Only law officers are allowed to get those (itīs similar to phone tapping).

Or job is to gain sufficient evidence to prove a prima facie case. It is then up to the Police to get the evidence for prosecution. They would simply get a warrant for your house and remove the computer.

However as I said that is extreme. In most case we wish to sue. The proof in a civil case is balance of probability. Therefore we do not need the criminal evidence.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 11:51 AM
Oh and you donīt need my IP, seriously come to the SS room. Iīm there now.

jetje (Mod here) will tell you the name I use there and confirm it is me, as will many others.

Faethe
08-02-2003, 04:32 PM
Like I said earlier the fact that I have them online is not an implied permission for you to take them. Whether I switch this option on or not.

Wrong. Perhaps you would like to take that argument to

http:&#092;&#092;www.eff.org

If you have items of whatever nature in your share folder, and are using a p2p folder - the implication is that you wish to share them. Whether you own the copyright on them or not is irrelevant - you are making these copies available for mass distribution on a p2p network. I find it hard to believe that the RIAA would approve of such a scheme, as it would implicate that they themselves are the originators of the material that they are seeking to defend. Try explaining THAT to a judge - we just had to spread more of it around to make damn sure we were nailing people who had copywritten material. Explain WHY you had to spread it around in the first place - and if your case is still alive at that point - prepare to be countersued into oblivion for FRAUD. And if you think still, that you have a valid technique for defending your copyright, by all means continue to do so, because I am positive CNN would love to broadcast the exact technique being employed by the RIAA to "ensnare" persons trading copywritten material.

Bullshit.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Faethe@2 August 2003 - 17:32

Like I said earlier the fact that I have them online is not an implied permission for you to take them. Whether I switch this option on or not.

Wrong. Perhaps you would like to take that argument to

http:&#092;&#092;www.eff.org

If you have items of whatever nature in your share folder, and are using a p2p folder - the implication is that you wish to share them. Whether you own the copyright on them or not is irrelevant - you are making these copies available for mass distribution on a p2p network. I find it hard to believe that the RIAA would approve of such a scheme, as it would implicate that they themselves are the originators of the material that they are seeking to defend. Try explaining THAT to a judge - we just had to spread more of it around to make damn sure we were nailing people who had copywritten material. Explain WHY you had to spread it around in the first place - and if your case is still alive at that point - prepare to be countersued into oblivion for FRAUD. And if you think still, that you have a valid technique for defending your copyright, by all means continue to do so, because I am positive CNN would love to broadcast the exact technique being employed by the RIAA to "ensnare" persons trading copywritten material.

Bullshit.
Excellent post, well presented.

It would be easier for people if you could make that a quick link tho&#39;

Like this I think (http://www.eff.org)

stonecold1203
08-02-2003, 05:23 PM
Don&#39;t think there are spies in this forum.

But more popular forum&#39;s like dslreports have spies

Faethe
08-02-2003, 05:55 PM
Jpaul - you are doing this just to be the spy for the day, huh? Come on - fess up. Because if that is the case, you are doing a fantastic job of it. If the RIAA is making use of viral techniques to spam message boards with propoganda - don&#39;t you think they would be making a more direct case? Like download a file - go directly to hell, and your mom will not love you anymore?

If you support the RIAA why not just say so? Its something to argue about at any rate...

DasScoot
08-02-2003, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by JPaul+2 August 2003 - 09:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 2 August 2003 - 09:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DasScoot@1 August 2003 - 22:54
Putting a file up on Kazaa is a lot less passive than just leaving your door unlocked. It&#39;s more like putting your TV out on the curb with a sign saying "Take this&#33;&#39;
Not even remotely analagous.

There is no sign on my hard drive saying take this.

Neither is there any implied offer. Trust me, we have checked with some very expensive lawyers. Both in the US and Europe. [/b][/quote]
You actively have to download Kazaa, and install it.
You actively have to select the files to be shared (either by selecting the folder to be shared, or placing the files in the My Shared Folder).
The Kazaa network asks your computer &#39;what files can we download from you?&#39; and your computer responds with the files in your shared folders.




I honestly don&#39;t see how lawyers could consider that not being entrapment. But then, if they&#39;re RIAA lawyers, perhaps it&#39;d be more profitable for them to go along...

basics
08-02-2003, 06:32 PM
id just like to add that ive read an article which says that they will be going after the people who are sharing the files in the first place not neccesarilary the people who are actually downloading them&#33;&#33;&#33;

the point is that the people who are sharing the originals are the ones who are breaking the copywrite law and are the people who are fueling the industry&#33;&#33;&#33;

without the people who are holding huge amounts of files there would not be a p2p community, therefore that is why the riaa et al are chasing theses pepertrators first&#33;&#33;1

i think that means u mr jpaul or mr knowit all as u shall now be known&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;







i shall post a link to the article when i can find it again

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by basics@2 August 2003 - 19:32
id just like to add that ive read an article which says that they will be going after the people who are sharing the files in the first place not neccesarilary the people who are actually downloading them&#33;&#33;&#33;

the point is that the people who are sharing the originals are the ones who are breaking the copywrite law and are the people who are fueling the industry&#33;&#33;&#33;

without the people who are holding huge amounts of files there would not be a p2p community, therefore that is why the riaa et al are chasing theses pepertrators first&#33;&#33;1

i think that means u mr jpaul or mr knowit all as u shall now be known&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;







i shall post a link to the article when i can find it again
You really don&#39;t have a clue do you.

No matter how many time it is explained to you. Please read the words and try to understand them.

I live in the UK. The RIAA are unlikely to try to sue me, it is possible but very unlikely.

I disable showing people a list of what I have, I also use a proxy (and a NAT router for that matter). I change my own IP on a regular basis.

It&#39;s too much bother to come after someone like me, when there are easy targets, using KMD from a static IP, displaying a list of what they share.

basics
08-02-2003, 07:36 PM
me too;) so what di u think about the possibility of their uk counterparts to follow suit over here then?

RealitY
08-02-2003, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@2 August 2003 - 20:19
I live in the UK. The RIAA are unlikely to try to sue me, it is possible but very unlikely.
Ah, I take it the facade has left the building.
That EFF thing did ya in I&#39;m guessing.
Gotta give Faethe credit, I&#39;ve seen some of his other posts.
Nice addition to the board.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by basics@2 August 2003 - 20:36
me too;) so what di u think about the possibility of their uk counterparts to follow suit over here then?
The closest UK counterpart I can think of is Federation Against Copyright Theft. Their resources go on trying to catch people who are doing this for profit, selling DVDs and CDs at markets and car boot sales, that type of thing.

Take sensible precautions and you will be absolutely fine. There are plenty of easy targets, so until they start on them I wouldn&#39;t even think about it. Honestly it isn&#39;t a problem.

Unless you are one of the sheep who just blithely goes about using KMD, leaving their file list open etc.

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by REALITY+2 August 2003 - 21:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY @ 2 August 2003 - 21:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@2 August 2003 - 20:19
I live in the UK. The RIAA are unlikely to try to sue me, it is possible but very unlikely.
Ah, I take it the facade has left the building.
That EFF thing did ya in I&#39;m guessing.
Gotta give Faethe credit, I&#39;ve seen some of his other posts.
Nice addition to the board. [/b][/quote]
No I really am a spy, I just can&#39;t be bothered answering questions any more, it was an excellent post though. Well thought out and written.

Faethe
08-02-2003, 10:41 PM
Ah well geez thank you&#33; Ever since this whole thing started up I make it a habit to read copyright law, test cases, etc. As of this date - as far as I know - no one knows how they are doing it exactly - althought there has been much speculation. As speculation has a tendency to turn into paranoia - some of it has been amusing. Like people blocking their lan ips through peer guardian, and thence having mass anxiety sweep over entire message boards, as people ping themselves over and over again, and think it is the **aa hammering their firewalls. Or like the bloke here who thinks that the **aa is after him, because of the odd tag on the Tomb Raider games he is trying to download - that&#39;s not the them by the way. That&#39;s the BSA - Bussiness Software Alliance - and while I have no idea of they have IP "traps" - its concievable they do have something - as I have seen some evidence of this in Cease and Desists that people have recieved.

Some of the techniques are a bit dodgy, no doubt, because they play games with privacy issues in the US. This mainly centers around the nature of the subpoenas being swapped around - subpoena&#39;s are NOT something to be toyed with&#33; In many cases - the **aa is skipping the step involved in getting a judge to "review" the subpoena before it is issued, and going strictly off "good faith" (both of these elements have to be in place before a subpoena gets issued).

What this means is that they "see" a file that "appears" to be a source of infringement - document it, and use this as evidence to issue a subpoena. As the method for gathering the evidence for the subpoena is not disclosed (to my knowlege), and a judge is not consulted in determining whether the "infringement" has met the test to issue a subpoena, many of these are nothing but shams to force isp&#39;s to turn over information.

This is not ALL subpoenas - but MANY of them. This is why people like Bay Area ISP are refusing to disclose information - because if they do, and it turns out that it is NOT what it was purported to be, they can be sued BY YOU.

So see, this is all a bit dodgy to begin with legally. One case, where this did happen, is that an old man apparently had wedding videos in his share file with the name of "usher" on them. This is one of many cases you can read about at EFF, and is the reason why now some lawmakers are getting involved in this.

Plus - remember - the DMCA is a TREATY honored by many different countries - your country may have its own views on "fair use" as defined by the DMCA. Also - the ISP&#39;s are plenty pissed off about the way its being interpreted in the US, because when the ISPs gathered together to help write the DMCA - they never agreed to patrol their subscription base (users) - only the content on their servers (web Pages). Specifically this is section 512 (h) of the DMCA - and is the chief reason why ISP&#39;s are now suing the **aa. Isp&#39;s are simply not setup to monitor their system logs for copyright infringement - illegal activity such as kiddy porn providers, yes, people accessing Kazaa - no.

At any rate - no one, according to the terms of the DMCA, is allowed to just turn over your information. They MUST give you a chance to respond to their query as to whether you are downloading infringing material BEFORE they give the **A anything at all.

Oh bloody hell I know too much about this nonsense - but there you go.

And bless you Jpaul for sharing your files so the US might leech of it.

Proper Bo
08-02-2003, 10:58 PM
:lol: :lol:
JPaul, you have outdone yourself my man&#33;
These fools don&#39;t seem to suspect a thing&#33; :lol: Not even after Rat Faced&#39;s message making everything blatantly obvious&#33;

J'Pol
08-02-2003, 11:04 PM
Everyone who is worried should take a leaf from your book and do a bit of research. However most don&#39;t even go to the bother of reading the posts here before they reply to them, so what chance do they have.

The bit about the number of files and the size was true btw. I really do share over 14,500 files totalling around 115 GB. I am well aware that there are loads of peole who share substantially more. Have a look on DC++ or SoulSeek.

Proper Bo
08-02-2003, 11:07 PM
Oh I totally believe you, I just find it amazing that so many people are so easily fooled and go in to defense/smart-arse mode so quickly without even looking at any other posts by you&#33;
The slightest bit of research (or even common sense for that matter)would have been enough&#33; :lol:

ISthisLEGAL.com
08-03-2003, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Faethe@2 August 2003 - 23:41
the **aa is after him.
Wow&#33;&#33;&#33; The AA are in on this too??? them bastards, riaa spys everywhere&#33; "i see the problem sir, you have 6 copies of bobby brown jammed in your fan belt" the next time i break down i`ll be calling the RAC for a tow, thanks for the tip off mate&#33; ;)

draqon
08-03-2003, 08:09 AM
HAHAH DAMN THIS SHIT IS SO ENTERTAINING&#33;&#33;&#33; THANKS MAN, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK JPUAL DO MORE OF THESE STUFF&#33; I LOVE IT MAN&#33;&#33;

Sex
08-03-2003, 09:43 AM
This is for RIAA spies

SUCK MY COCK YOU LITTLE CUNT :o :D :swear: http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/bj3.gif

Adster
08-03-2003, 11:15 AM
This is for RIAA spies

SUCK MY COCK YOU LITTLE CUNT

ncie saying from a member called sex

J'Pol
08-03-2003, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by draqon@3 August 2003 - 09:09
HAHAH DAMN THIS SHIT IS SO ENTERTAINING&#33;&#33;&#33; THANKS MAN, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK JPUAL DO MORE OF THESE STUFF&#33; I LOVE IT MAN&#33;&#33;
Sorry out bean, I only pop out of the Lounge infrequently nowadays.

With so many people hating the RIAA it&#39;s just too dangerous. The people there are basically just mentalists, so they don&#39;t really mind what people do.