Stop Giveaways?

[orfik]

I'm surprised this forum still allows public giveaways. It's generous, no doubt, but don't the mods worry about the fact that the criteria for most giveaways is a ratio/speedtest screenshot, which are pretty easily faked and no real reflection of the person's intent. With all the heat on BT, has there been any thought to disallowing this?

[bikernin]

lol. so you are saying allow trading and stop giveaways?

[Horatiu]

It depends on the level of responsability of the person giving away.

It's his responsability the people he invites.

Heat was and will be, that's not a reason.

[athenaesword]

people will just find alternative sources... they'll just move to another site that allows for giveaways and trading. until such a time where trackers no longer accept new members at all, there will always be people trying to get into them.

[Bleacher]

It depends on the level of responsability of the person giving away.

It's his responsability the people he invites.

Heat was and will be, that's not a reason.

Agreed.

Well said.

[Cr3sp0]

Allow the trading and stop the giveaways ?
I can't understand you.

[Dark Archon]

Some members are essentially good users, without giveaways lots of them cannot contribute to their favorite trackers.

[fOrUmAs]

I'm surprised this forum still allows public giveaways. It's generous, no doubt, but don't the mods worry about the fact that the criteria for most giveaways is a ratio/speedtest screenshot, which are pretty easily faked and no real reflection of the person's intent. With all the heat on BT, has there been any thought to disallowing this?

why are u suprise?? its sure better than trade,also if u look some GA u will see that some member ask that u need to be active (here) so that people can see if u good or not for certain invite...if u really trust some member that need invite then u will give to him without asking speedtest or something like that..nah u cant find here faked screens at least i havent see (except something abouth FTN screen) anyway..

so if we stop GA we can simple close invite section or rename it to tradeing invite section:sick:

and so i dont agree with u at all:P

[orfik]

lol. so you are saying allow trading and stop giveaways?

No, although I do think giveaways are more dangerous than trading.



It depends on the level of responsability of the person giving away.

It's his responsability the people he invites.

Heat was and will be, that's not a reason.

That may be true, but when the user isn't aware or capable of upholding that responsibility, shouldn't it be modified? It just seems like better ground rules, at least, would make this practice safer for the sites themselves.

[bikernin]

whats next? close the invite section? shut down FST?

[orfik]

Some members are essentially good users, without giveaways lots of them cannot contribute to their favorite trackers.

I think I'm being misunderstood. I'm not suggesting we stop the practice of giving each other invitations. It's the mass, essentially blind giveaways I'm questioning. The opportunistic ones involving multiple trackers at once. I'm saying that it seems dangerous (which is why many trackers discourage or explicitly prohibit it, often ones still seen here), and could use better rules at least.


whats next? close the invite section? shut down FST?

Haha, settle down.

[ideto]

Sure they are, and that why some guy's (like me) ask for URL profiles when have some doubts.
Btw, there are more people scamming trades then giveaways.

[orfik]

Sure they are, and that why some guy's (like me) ask for URL profiles when have some doubts.
Btw, there are more people scamming trades then giveaways.

Define "scamming" and let me know how you came to that conclusion. I'm not doubting the fact that dishonest people concoct various schemes to profit from trades, but I think we may be talking about different things.

[Tokeman]

The last few giveaways I entered, had those types of requirements, and I did not post them and stated that they are easily faked, and to PM me if considered and I would provide profile links. I was chosen in a few giveaways dispite my refusal to post SS's. People do judge on other things, like past posts, rep, profiles on other trackers. I think most people just ask for SS's cause it's the 'norm' and its easy for people to do, and it keeps their account names anonymous.
Get rid of giveaways? never, the FST invite section has come a LONG way since I joined, transitioning from a hardcore trading group, to a very helpfull generous community.

[Bleacher]

At the end of the day, all these trackers will be being "watched", it is better to have people giving their invites away to a community member rather than selling, trading or scamming people, people can request their own requirements before they give out their invites, so it is up to them.
I say it is fine as it is. Just my thoughts.

[Gothan]

so what the begainer shall do to get some good trackers if they have no thing to trade

[VIZFX]

No one is requiring anybody to do giveaways in order to continue to be a member. Most people do give aways because the want to give something back. Don't forgot that sometime ago you where also new, and it would have been great help to get an invite. Remember, we are talking about torrent tracker invites, not a kidney.

[Gish]

the FST invite section has come a LONG way since I joined, transitioning from a hardcore trading group, to a very helpfull generous community.

great point! when I was first a member their was very few give aways it was all trading invites to the highest bidder. the invite section has come along way. I for one rather have giveaways than a cut throat mentality even though there is and will always be some of that going around.

[soulreaper]

orfik,i agree that mass giveaways are dangerous as ratios and speedtests can be faked even though you maybe doing a giveaway out of goodwill or so you get into people's goodbooks(with a hidden agenda).Giveaways and trading are two different things so don't mix them up.
I would just say it's best to "giveaway" to a really close friend of yours(like a real life friend) who's an experienced "torrenter".

[Neo]

If it wasn't for the giveaways and having in mind that all ( or almost all trackers ) strictly forbid trading how would someone even start?

I mean, there must be someone that has to trust that guy who doesn't even have a ratio ( let alone a good one ) to show, and we all know how easy those can be forged...

I feel unconfortable giving away invites to people who have 5 posts and have registered yesterday but I won't feel uncorfotable giving it to a guy that shows that he's commited to the community.

Not everybody actually know people well enough ( specially over the internet ) to say 'I'm sure this guy will be a great member there' In the end it's all about trust. it's about giving. That's what P2P is about IMHO.

I, for one, have decided I won't trade again. I got scammed. I was breaking tracker's rules. I'm tired of that. If I give an invite just to find out it wasn't such a good option I'll just be more demanding next time. I'll look at number of posts, quality of posts and reputation.

In the end I hope that someday someone will come to me and just say "I think you are F*N material. Here. There's an invite"

Cheers!

[lostdemon]

To stop giveaways is crazy talk.
Many people including myself would have nothing if it weren't for a very giving person willing to invite us. Ending giveaways here is like telling porn stars not to have sex in their films because they will get aids like people who give out invites might get scammed or banned. Its enjoyable to both parties the giver knowing they are helping someone and the taker getting to be apart of something they really want. If you feel so strongly about not giving away invites even though you were probably handed an invite when you first started then don't give them. Although there are many who abuse the invites their given which is why this thread has been created but all can't be judged by some.

[SenorBubbz]

No

Simple as that. NO. If you don't like that section, don't browse there.

[sheriflove]

Every one try to stop something
some ppl say stop trading and then the traders attack them
some ppl asy stop the anti-traders then the anti-traders attack them
now you want to stop giveaway but i think now all the trader and the anti-trader will eat you alive
why just can't every one do what they believe or what they wanna do with out attack the other side

ppl every one have his opinion you may agree with him or you disagree that don't make us enemies

[cocalait]

The OP is talking about stopping giveaways for the security of the trackers. He's not asking people to be less kind and stop giving away to take away the possibility from a good guy to enter a tracker. We all know what happened to Oink, cops came in and BANG! Oink died. These are private tracker/communities, they're not intended to be accessed by any guy who wants to. And any guy who wants to enter, posts a ratio proof (fake) and he gets in, and puts in jeopardy the life of the tracker.

I get your point, but I'm not able to come up with a solution that can replace the giveaways.

[orfik]

The OP is talking about stopping giveaways for the security of the trackers. He's not asking people to be less kind and stop giving away to take away the possibility from a good guy to enter a tracker. We all know what happened to Oink, cops came in and BANG! Oink died. These are private tracker/communities, they're not intended to be accessed by any guy who wants to. And any guy who wants to enter, posts a ratio proof (fake) and he gets in, and puts in jeopardy the life of the tracker.

I get your point, but I'm not able to come up with a solution that can replace the giveaways.

People like you restore my hope in the power of reason. And like I said, I'm not saying anyone should stop giving away tracker invites. It's how most of us started, I'm sure. But I had to prove that I'd be a sincere, valuable member to the first site I joined. I wasn't picked out of a hat. That's the point I'm trying (and apparently failing) to make.

[supper]

what the diffrent between tradeing and giveaways ? my point of view both of them against the rules and u wont be never sure u invited the right person i mean that person u just invited him he could be a trader in other forums or he could be cheater so u put ur account under risk i do some giveaways ok i am not against this ofcourse but i see many anti traders just support it and they do not for trades even both of them is almost the same thing !!!!

[carinio]

should be more giveaways -.-

[athenaesword]

without giveaways there won't be flesh blood, which is never healthy for any community in general. not everyone starts out with loads of E friends who can invite them. in fact, no one does. new guys don't have anything to trade with either, so they can only restrict themselves to open signups or public trackers, if giveaways were nonexistent. it's a necessary risk i would think. and the pros outweigh the cons in the long run.

[ceasar]

orfik post history, orfik stfu
ahahahaha, what about RL, what do you think about ppl giving money to teh poor, should it be stopped too?

Giving away or not giving away invites is decision which is up to teh person doing it and noone else and there's absolutely no reason we should restrict anything in this area.

[cocalait]

I think that 90% of the people who posted here think that the OP is criticizing giveaways. The word trade has nothing to do with this thread.

HE IS NOT CONCERNED BY HOW PEOPLE ENTER A TRACKER, HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT TRACKER'S SECURITY.

Sorry for the caps, hope y'all understood.

[athenaesword]

if you have to apologise for caps, you shouldn't ve done it in the first place :0

:D