Idea for Tracker reviews and WTAW

[stoi]

This has got nothing to do with reforming the WTAW so dont worry.

The way it is atm, submitted Tracker reviews are public and anyone can make one, as soon as a tracker review gets acccepted you get straight into the WTAW thread. obviously some tracker owners do not want their site to be there, but once its there its impossible to get it off.

So here is my suggestion.

Tracker reviews should be like the report section, private betwenn the OP and the Mods.

If just a member has posted a review (you dont know if they are a good member or someone thats just been banned, and trying to get an exclusive site noticed.) then the mods try to get intouch with the owner/staff of those trackers.

and ask them if they would like a review on here, also offer them CR and explain what that entails (invite trading/acccount trading etc etc).

If they say yes, they want a review, make sure they know it will never be removed.

If they say no, then they cant have CR but then its a free for all in the invites/account trading etc.

Just with a couple of trackers lately, who do not want to be on that list, but cant get removed because a "member" made the review, imo that member might as well have grabbed 1000 torrents off those trackers and changed the announce to a null announce and uploaded them to the link sites, mininova etc.

We are also working on a new project as well, and i dont want it to be listed in the WIAW thread, but if a member makes a review, i cant do anything to stop it.

No one will probably care about this tbh, but i do think that it "might" bring FST and tracker staff closer (if thats possible lol)

[monk3y]

review should be minimal and not contain tracker's address or hints to it's address.

that way it can stay private and people can ask their friends in PMs if they have invites to this or that tracker.

[stoi]

my point is, clover doest want to be on their at all, but a member made the review, not the staff (im not sure if the staff gave the go ahead though or not) but if it was done how i suggested, and they didnt want it on here, then now they wouldnt want it off.

[Cabalo]

I don't think that it will work, because as the staff here already hinted, this is not a playground for trackers' staff.
it is enough polite for FST to agree with site owners who ask their accounts not to be traded here, accept community reps that are sometimes used for the worse reasons, it censors some trackers name etc.

now, i see no reason why FST, being a FORUM, meaning public, to hide the existence of a site. Thus, hiding information or keeping it private between a OP and a CR...

Internet is public, people know about a site, they want to write about it, so they are allowed to.

Just my 2 cents, though i understand your pov, but you probably know that not being at the WTAW will even make people's interest rise higher about it, and a lot of open threads will come up asking for info about it. And that imo is even bigger propaganda for the site that wanted to remain "forgotten" ;)

[Dark Archon]

if trackers want privacy for a certain length of time, they should be provided so and FST should respect the decisions of trackers by manually removing reviews from the site.

[stoi]

sorry i dont agree with your last point there.

there are trackers in the Post all trackers here thread that are not on the WTAW. and ive never seen them mentioned once in the invites section, or the bittorrent section either.

it just seems to me, that the less notice a tracker wants, the more it gets on here. (if there is a review for it and its in the WTAW anyway) and i bet that most of those that want to remain under the radar, didnt give their permission to be on there in the first place.

[Cabalo]

but for me the main question at your idea is how does it cope with this forum's philosophy.
do they want to keep this as a forum, i.e. information for the audience (as in latin) or they want to be a instrument of the tracker's owners.

I'd be more than happy to agree with you if all trackers' staff here were like you, but unfortunately that's not the case as seen in some recent threads. So, as a defensive posture i defend that FST should allow this information being spread.

this kind of posture (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-cant-recover-my-scl-acc-flower-post2606229/postcount33 and subsequent posts) supports me saying that.

[Nemrod]

Well, I´m going to be kinda cynical... but I think that today many trackers wish have a review here... are beginning, need members, want the world know their existence... many reasons, if they get success they´ll regret that when they achieve their goals.

[stoi]

k its only private between the OP and the mods until the tracker staff say yes or no.

If it was just the review i wouldnt be making this thread, but correct me if im wrong, it seems that all trackers that have a review, are put into the WTAW thread, well once in there its impossible to get out.

so lets take a new tracker for example, that wants members.

a member makes a review, the mods here ask the owner/staff if they want the review on here, if they want users they will jump at the chance, but then in the future, if they change their mind, then its tough, they agreed to it.

the way it is now, the owners/staff dont get a look in, its on there and tough anyway, then they complain they dont want to be there, the staff on here say tough your on, so that causes some animosity.

I dont expect the staff on here to bend over backwards, but it could bring relationships closer together between tracker staff and FST, and that has to be a good thing imo.

[grimms]

Looks like we are treading into a grey area here. I think the idea you propose stoi could work though, if, big IF, more tracker staff push the idea to FST mods. Censorship towards a tracker name being mentioned will never happen or could happen(internet is bigger then us all unfortunately), but do agree that the WTAW thread could and should be private between OPs and Mods within this site.

[Nemrod]

k its only private between the OP and the mods until the tracker staff say yes or no.

If it was just the review i wouldnt be making this thread, but correct me if im wrong, it seems that all trackers that have a review, are put into the WTAW thread, well once in there its impossible to get out.

so lets take a new tracker for example, that wants members.

a member makes a review, the mods here ask the owner/staff if they want the review on here, if they want users they will jump at the chance, but then in the future, if they change their mind, then its tough, they agreed to it.

the way it is now, the owners/staff dont get a look in, its on there and tough anyway, then they complain they dont want to be there, the staff on here say tough your on, so that causes some animosity.

I dont expect the staff on here to bend over backwards, but it could bring relationships closer together between tracker staff and FST, and that has to be a good thing imo.


You have a good point. :yup:

[sleepyy]

I agree with cabalo you make a good point.

If it is frowned upon by torrent sites why not just encourage banning for those people that make reviews? or even speak about the tracker in public which i find silly because no matter what you do the name will always be mentioned best thing i could think of is just to keep your doors closed. what sort of attention do torrent site owners want to aviod?

[stoi]

well from our POV, and granted we have had 100,000 members before so probably a mute point.

I didnt even know this forum as it is now existed till 8 months ago, i never knew there was a WTAW thread, but we have been on their for 2 years at least as far as im aware.

Did we ever get asked, or even asked our opinion of the actual review, no we didnt.

(btw i was a member when this was the k-lite forum, hence why i had 600+ posts and a member since 2002, i didnt come back here till 8 months ago).

Life would be boring if people didnt suggest new ways to do things, if this falls on deaf ears at least i have put it out there to be discussed. but like the Reformed WTAW thread, i actually got listened to (that doesnt even happen on my tracker lol) so thought why not throw something else ot there, that might get noticed.

[grimms]

I didnt even know this forum as it is now existed till 8 months ago, i never knew there was a WTAW thread, but we have been on their for 2 years at least as far as im aware.

but like the Reformed WTAW thread, i actually got listened to (that doesnt even happen on my tracker lol).

Stoi i think people listen you. Sometimes it's just not in the timely manner that you want or prefer. Same her about FST. I didn't even know about this site until Oink.me shut down on October 23rd. Read the news that linked to here and torrent freaks.

[fOrUmAs]

Idea sound very good to me and it should be something like stoi said

review should be there only if sites owner sysops allowe it

[grimms]

Idea sound very good to me and it should be something like stoi said

review should be there only if sites owner sysops allowe it

Like i previously stated it could happen but stoi would need some serious support to sway the mods decision on this one due to FST site rules. I'm for it but unfortunately my opinion won't matter cause i'm not a Tracker Staff, Mod, or Administrator at any tracker.

[stoi]

Who keeps adding tags, as its not me "fst in mexico" wtf lol

lets take the only level 10 in the WTAW.

they got closed down, came back and their main focus is on security.

But they are lvl 10 so are getting a lot of attention just for that.

It seems the sites that dont care about security are lvl 1-3 those that do are lvl 4-10, but no one wants 1-3 trackers, they all want 4-10 trackers.

also regarding that post, i cant speak for the OP there, but maybe he was like that because there was a review of his site, and he didnt want it there.

And you mentioned, just ban the user that posted the review, fine and dandy but by then its to late, the review has already been posted and your already on the WTAW thread.

[sleepyy]

So it's the fear of getting shut down i don't think that any site owner can 100 percent ensure that details of the site the site name content whatever that it will not be put on the net once one person wants to be a member others will also talk and the people that are wanting to shut down the sites i somehow don't think they are stupid enough to miss the opportunity to add another torrent site to their list i know threads such as wtaw don't help but that's just one list out of the 100s already around.

All you can do is prevent a site with 50000 members is always more of a risk than a site with 1000 members because the 1000 members will not get so much attention and not so many people will speak of the site 50000 it's hard to silence all of those people and you can't do it that's just something sites have to put up with if all sites closed their doors so early nobody would be bittorrenting now

[ideto]

Agree with stoi.
There are second intentions about osme Reviews, goods or not, we don't want them.

I don't look for Rarity, (in my opinion Levels should be made based on Quality, or simply shouldn't be) and there are some 'hot subjects' here about that. Perfectly unecessary that subjects. Everyone should look by his side, not looking for what the other do as well :S

[sleepyy]

it's not just rarity look at what the sites have to offer 0day specific content bla bla it's helpful if you look beyond the levels i would have been without a hd and music site if it wern't for that thread after oink was closed i had nowhere to go then i moved else where and im now happy that's the first place i went to look for an alternative how else would people join sites if nobody knew about their existence if owners want the site to be so private then before opening the site there should be some sort of hidden forums to advertise to the type of members they want to atract.