a philosophical question

[WarrenBuffet]

So here, at file SHARING talk, many seem to join the flock of anti- TRADERS.

To effectively share/get files one needs access to various trackers whether it be through trading or whatever method.
So let me ask you fst, where do you draw the boundary between "sharing" and "trading"? Pure sharing would be 1 person making giveaways all the time. This is sometimes unfair because then you get "leecher" noobs that go in and beg in all the giveaways. Its a 1-sided kind of thing. In a trading situation something is offered for something about equal in return as seen by the traders. Spend some time and think of the definition of sharing. Don't have intellect? Let me help you out.

From Wikipedia,
Sharing is the joint use of a resource or space. In its narrow sense, it refers to joint or alternating use of an inherently finite good.

For all I know, "sharing" in that sense sounds like sharing 1 acc with multiple people. Too bad that is also looked down upon in this community. S what isn't looked down upon?! I can't stand people saying "I hate trading" and post in every single damn giveaway and make (made) 10 ftn requests. Human Nature bleeds greed. For this reason, VIP privleages are implemented for uploaders at trackers and similarly I would expect if someone offered something "valuable," he/she should get something in return. Lets be real. People that make giveaways here don't wake up and think "boy I love helping ppl" and giveaway 10 sct invites. They want that damn btrep or rep of the users so when they think its their "time" they can request some level 9 tracker that they "heard" good things about.
Where do you stand on this? I know I can't expect to get results like I would if I posted in the drawing room, but oh well. I'll give it a try here. I am truly interested in this and would like thoughtful responses please.

[Crutavv]

sharing is about LEVEL 11 lol:naughty: :frusty:

[Sylar666]

This issue is going on and on...Hope You see the light, though.

[kaffeine]

One thing is for sure... the Sharing in FST's name doesn't refer to accounts/invites of BT sites at all, as you're trying to view it that way lol. If you read more carefully, you'll see the name is "file"sharingtalk.

Please visit other areas of the board. BT is hardly what FST is all about.

:dabs:

[1000possibleclaws]

well I think the whole concept being it is that the people who are already members to all the tracker sites they need give away all their invites, because what else are they going to do with their invites?
when the 'n00bs' get experienced with torrents and become members of the sites they want, they will become the people who start the giveaways.
Then there are also people who give away their invites, but don't have all the trackers they want yet (like me), and hope to eventually build up a reputation of being generous so other people will fill their requests for invites.

[krunktastic]

You're one hundred percent right about people who trade being just as in the wrong as those who do giveaways. They are for the exact same purpose, ultimately, and both types people go about it different ways. This is not to say that a trader is better than someone who does giveaways, but they are both looked down upon by the tracker.

When a tracker states that they want someone to share, they don't mean give them away to random strangers over the internet; this might was well be trading. They want you to share them with your friends; when your friend gets one invite, he'll give it to someone who he thinks will make use of the account. Friend A might be interested in music, while Friend B likes movies. The problem here is that people trade to work their way up the invisible ladder when what they really want is easily achievable. Someone would rather have an account at E**** than an account at What.cd or Pedro's, even though they (usually) coudn't tell the difference between a .mp3 and vinyl. It's a convoluted system that is easily misunderstood. The point is: both trading and giveaways are forms or trading invites, whether directly or indirectly.

[WarrenBuffet]

One thing is for sure... the Sharing in FST's name doesn't refer to accounts/invites of BT sites at all, as you're trying to view it that way lol. If you read more carefully, you'll see the name is "file"sharingtalk.

Please visit other areas of the board. BT is hardly what FST is all about.

:dabs:


File Sharing (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-file-sharing-8/) (18 Viewing)
BitTorrent (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-43/) (255 Viewing)
Kazaa [Lite] & Fast Track (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-kazaa-lite-fast-track-58/) (3 Viewing)
Newsgroups (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-newsgroups-79/) (76 Viewing)
eDonkey & eMule (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-edonkey-emule-42/) (11 Viewing)



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[kaffeine]

That doesn't mean EVERYTHING has to be related to BT. FST was here way before BT came into the picture.

[nixonsparanoia]

What's there to say really? You have a firm grasp on the concept. Sharing is trading. Giveaways are trading. Trading is sharing. It just depends on whether or not you're giving away, sharing, or trading with someone you "know" and more importantly your motivations for doing any of those things. A lot of people just give away invites in hopes they'll be invited into "better" trackers once they've done enough giveaways. In my opinion those people are the worst. And the people who call members who post in all the giveaways "greedy" apparently fail to recognize what sharing files instead of paying for them is; other than poor or cheap. GREEDY! But yea, the whole rep system only encourages people to give away invites with the motivation that they'll get into better sites. But if you're getting invited are you really concerned with the persons motivation? Not until you're in right?

[pro267]

Making a public giveaway could sometimes be just as wrong as trading, although I think there is a fine line between the two (a fine one maybe, but there still is a line):
For one thing, there are quite a few sites that do not prohibit giving away invites in public. On the other hand, there are almost no sites which allow trading of their invites, not to mention accounts trading. In addition, I believe that since inviters are held responsible for their invitees they are more likely to conduct an extensive background check on the invitees than someone that just trades an account and forgets about it 5 minutes later.

Now, as for the differences between trading/making blind giveaways and inviting your friends, here are a few:
Every additional person invited to a tracker adds some potential for security compromise. When you invite a trusted friend that potential is minimal, but when you trade with an unknown person it is maximal. In addition, when you invite your friend to a tracker, you're most likely inviting someone who is likeminded (since he *is* your friend) vs. a situation where you invite a random person which might not fit into the community. In other words, trading can hurt the community since people who do not fit in might get into the community. In addition, traders often look at the tracker as a stepping stone for the next level, therefore are just "fly by" members not interested in investing in the tracker in the long run, so why would any site want them as members? Sure, they often rent seedboxes, generate a lot of traffic on the trackers and have huge buffers but that does NOT help the trackers, on the contrary: it just puts a lot of stress on the systems and prevents other members from having good stats.

And as to how you could misinterpret the term "FileSharing" by taking the word "Sharing" and twisting its meaning to "sharing 1 acc with multiple people" - I'm afraid that's quite beyond me. FileSharing refers to sharing of files, not tracker accounts.

[DV8type]

Seems to me you emphasized the wrong word its File Sharing TALK not File Sharing Invite

[kaoblanco]

Not to him, it's not... All level 11's are like that, don't you know. :rolleyes:

[Something Else]

I'm talking an absolute load of wank.

Agreed. :smilie4:

[aysomc]

Seems to me you emphasized the wrong word its File Sharing TALK not File Sharing Invite

exactly what i was thinking

looks like zaa is going back to making stupid threads that dont really mean shit, this is the reason why everyone hated you before you left the first time. so annoying.

[Artemis]

Zaa you keep on trying to justify trading, yet without trading so many things would lessen or disappear. I'm talking here about the scamming and invite selling which goes on all the time and which is bringing more and more attention to bt all the time.
Not all traders scam, I do thoroughly realise that, but here we get into a really grey area of good traders vs. bad traders.... with the only proof being the person saying I will never cheat etc blah blah blah...... but the scamming and invite selling goes on all the time.
You cannot separate these and go thats not part of trading, it is part and parcel of it, there are many members here who only conduct there 'business' in pm and are collecting multiple a/c's to 'high value' trackers to sell in one way or another.
This is the real problem with trading, the fact that it removes the access to the website from the people that built the tracker and leaves them with a long hard job trying to find out who exactly is selling the invites or hit & running on that a/c which sometimes has gone through 5 or 6 people.
I fully understand that there are reasons why some people trade, if they took more time to get to know people then they would get the invites for free but some simply do not have the patience, although oddly it often takes traders alot longer to get those 'higher level' invites than others.
What trading brings with it though is what causes so many problems, and you now have the situation where many bt communities are simply closing their doors many with hardly any intention of opening them up in the near future for one simple reason, to stop the scamming and a/c trading that is going on.
Make of it what you will but the effects of trading are being felt more and more, and less and less people are going to be trusted or allowed into some communities because of this.

[BlueLabel]

They want that damn btrep or rep of the users so when they think its their "time" they can request some level 9 tracker that they "heard" good things about.

well that might be true but think of that this way
when a noob making request it almost impossible for him to get it, and thats why they try to build reputation
in one hand it seems that people main reson to giveaway its because the rep points
but in other hand.... those people dont realy have much choice, what else they should do to get invites to the trackers they want??

so even if people giveaway only to build their reputation they still giveaway and a lot of people join those invites



When a tracker states that they want someone to share, they don't mean give them away to random strangers over the internet; this might was well be trading. They want you to share them with your friends; when your friend gets one invite, he'll give it to someone who he thinks will make use of the account.

and what should people do if they don't have friends in this "trackers wrold"?
people always try to find somethings they want in the net cause not everything you can find at your friends, thats good way to meet different people from different countries and its very nice thing.
thats called community, and I dont see any problem why not giveaway in communities.
as long the people you invite isnt cheater/scammer its look ok to me. and I dont think that the trackers would survive without communities like FST
most of the advertising come from communities like FST.
and please be objective on this one
how mamy members were be in any tracker without FST publicity ???
how many members would donate to those trackers without FST publicity???

so maybe there is some disadvantages but there is alot of advantage too

[Nemrod]

I am not anti-anything... well... I could say I am anti-antis.
I believe in free will, everybody has the right to do whatever wants... and deal with the consequences of that.
Now, with some time of experience in this community, and because of that, I must say that today I´m a much better user in each and every tracker I´m at. I learned here valuable things.
For me, every rule that a site makes, has a reason. No one tracker would raise and keep a good site without rules, and no one staffer would ever make a rule just for fuc**** off users.
And for me, happy giveways, those where the requirements are "the first in asking wins", a nice photo, a joke or whatever, are an act of supreme irresponsibility.
An invite is a serious thing, you are giving clearance to other person for getting into a site and obtain goods. As I see, invites are a demonstration of confidence that the site gives you, you can´t ignore that, you must use that privilege wisely, and putting in first place the welfare of that site that trusted in you.

If you want talk in a philosophical way, how deep do you want to go?. Because the only fact of giving an invite with the most strictly requirements could be a trade... and your profit would be acceptance, popularity, good reputation... the desire to impress somebody from who you want something... and so on until infinite.

Every person is unique and must follow his own code of behavior. If you like trade accounts or you give a crap to the invites, beyond the value that they imply for obtaining something in change, then you shouldn´t join the site, because just in the moment you press the "Accept" button, you are breaking the rules... and you are not being consistent with yourself

And even more philosophical: each and everyone of us have broken sites rules at some point, the thing is how many times, how seriously and what for.

[rvt]

Not read the whole topic yet, but one thing:

Don't have intellect? Let me help you out.

From Wikipedia,

You define intellect as wikipedia? You do know how often they are wrong don't you?

[WarrenBuffet]

Not read the whole topic yet, but one thing:

Don't have intellect? Let me help you out.

From Wikipedia,You define intellect as wikipedia? You do know how often they are wrong don't you?

I'm so sick of that statement. It can be vandalized, but essentially its just an index of links put together concisely. They nearly always reference their sources.