Japan's $5 billion child porn industry

[Submission]

"Figures for the total value of the Japanese child pornography industry are hard to come by, but annual sales of manga alone in 2000 amounted to over 600 billion yen (US$5.5 billion), nearly one quarter of the total sales of all published material."

http://www.littlespeck.com/region/CForeign-Jp-080226.htm

:sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick:

This isn't including other forms of CP. The CP industry alone in Japan is supposedly bigger than the US internet porn industry.

[dedro]

holy shit only 4 years ago, pretty sick

[Something Else]

:lol:

Manga isn't pornography ewe bell-end. :dabs:

[Something Else]

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8361/jimjarmusch1qx4.jpg
(http://imageshack.us)

[Biggles]

It is just another of Submission's lame anti-Japanese threads.

[weenden]

nahh magna good animai good wish i could spell

[Snee]

Nice.

I especially like:

The current child pornography laws in Japan do not regulate manga and art that depict children who are not real, or "virtual child pornography".

Which pretty much says nothing, seeing as that sort of thing is just as legal in most of the world.

Anyone know if this has gone through, yet. (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/02/reid_wants_child_law/)

The manga-quote is also nice, especially considering it goes on to say:

It is estimated that 30-40% of manga contains sexual themes or content, much of it representing schoolgirls of elementary or junior high school age in themes including rape, sado-masochism and bondage.

I'd like to know a) Who estimated that? b) How much of it is "much of it" really? and c) Does the "themes" in "representing schoolgirls of elementary or junior high school age in themes including rape, sado-masochism and bondage" actually mean that they actually have that sort of thing done to them, or is he being deliberately vague with statistics so as to make it sound more sensational?


a reporter told Weekly Playboy.


an employee of a medium-sized DVD manufacturer producing material featuring models under 15 years old told Weekly Playboy.
lulz

EDit:
(Weekly Playboy is a dodgy sort of japanese men's mag, wot features articles, pics of wimmin, manga, and plenty of ads for manly stuff.)

[BawA]

thats too much porn, and its not much a surprise japans is kinda marvel/cmoic maniac society so no wonder they like manga more then real porn.

[Submission]

what difference does it make if perverts want cartoon vs real? Its depicting children. Its digusting either way especially for a country thats "modern".

Sorry but outlawing 2003, ONLY 4 YEARS AGO, says everything. Imagine how big the industry was BEFORE it was outlawed.

What modern country has legal cartoon child porn? Go ahead and name a country.

[Something Else]

If ewe were beaten to death with an obscure, Japanese, schoolgirl sex-doll. :smilie4:

That'd be some fine ironing.

[Biggles]

If ewe were beaten to death with an obscure, Japanese, schoolgirl sex-doll. :smilie4:

That'd be some fine ironing.

He should be so lucky :lol:

[Actatoi]

what difference does it make if perverts want cartoon vs real?

Ye because cartoon is the real fucking deal, every child that watches Tom and Jerry is sooner in life gonna fuck someone up real bad!

It's not hurting any child so bother about other things instead that are more important?

[SAM]

i dunno why you mad at japan mate

[J-dye]

a japanese manga with superpowers raped his mom while she was young . and thats how submission was born

[manker]

Sorry but outlawing 2003, ONLY 4 YEARS AGO, says everything. Imagine how big the industry was BEFORE it was outlawed.Those bastards made a whole year illegal. I really liked 2003 as well.

:angry:

[Something Else]

:lol:

Your sig's broke. manker. :emo:

[manker]

So it is. Still looks hawt, but :smilie4:

[Snee]

What modern country has legal cartoon child porn? Go ahead and name a country.

It was legal in Canada until 2005, it was in the UK as late as last year as stated in the article I linked, dunno' if it's illegal there yet, I'm pretty sure it isn't. It wasn't officially illegal in the US until 2004.

Not sure on the current state of affairs in all of Europe, but it was legal in Sweden as late as 2002, afaik, and though it's supposedly illegal now, it's not been tried in court, the last goes for Norway as well).

It's legal in the Netherlands, and at most fineable in Australia, the internets just told me.

[Biggles]

What modern country has legal cartoon child porn? Go ahead and name a country.

It was legal in Canada until 2005, it was in the UK as late as last year as stated in the article I linked, dunno' if it's illegal there yet, I'm pretty sure it isn't. It wasn't officially illegal in the US until 2004.

Not sure on the current state of affairs in all of Europe, but it was legal in Sweden as late as 2002, afaik, and though it's supposedly illegal now, it's not been tried in court, the last goes for Norway as well).

It's legal in the Netherlands, and at most fineable in Australia, the internets just told me.

Alas you are taking reason for a walk with blind prejudice.

[peat moss]

My friends at work call it a nation of pedophiles just for the vending machines with the soiled school girl panties . I said wait a minute they don't even allow pubic hair in their pron mags . His reponce ...... ah ,ah . :huh:

[Septimus]

it is very disgusting :sick:

[Submission]

what difference does it make if perverts want cartoon vs real?

Ye because cartoon is the real fucking deal, every child that watches Tom and Jerry is sooner in life gonna fuck someone up real bad!

It's not hurting any child so bother about other things instead that are more important?

Pedophiles are the ones that watch child porn, cartoon or not.

Eventually it will escalate. The point is there's a huge market for child porn when there shouldn't be one at all.

But lets ignore the fact that the $6 billion is fuelled by pedophiles. Its just cartoons!!! WHY SO BAD?!!?

If the cartoon CP industry alone is $6 billion i dont want to know what happens in the real world. Its just revolting. Whats more revolting are the Japanese who instead of being revolted are actually defending this.

[Artemis]

Oddly most of the international pedophile rings have been traced to Belgium, The Netherlands etc., mostly Western European developed nations and surprisingly enough most pedophiles are actually professionals, so I am kind of surprised at the anti-japanese stance here, maybe you should add Belgium and Holland to your axis of evil, or just hate the whole professional class ?

[Biggles]

Oddly most of the international pedophile rings have been traced to Belgium, The Netherlands etc., mostly Western European developed nations and surprisingly enough most pedophiles are actually professionals, so I am kind of surprised at the anti-japanese stance here, maybe you should add Belgium and Holland to your axis of evil, or just hate the whole professional class ?

You will note that Submission ignores all facts that don't tally with his anti-Japanese stance - just a troll with nothing to say? If he bothered to look he would see for example that the age of marriage in places like Yemen is 9. That is happening to real girls yet he has his panties in a bunch over cartoons. He either has an axe to grind or is simply trolling because he knows there are a lot of anime fans on boards like this or :) most prolly, just a racialist.

[Submission]

Oddly most of the international pedophile rings have been traced to Belgium, The Netherlands etc., mostly Western European developed nations and surprisingly enough most pedophiles are actually professionals, so I am kind of surprised at the anti-japanese stance here, maybe you should add Belgium and Holland to your axis of evil, or just hate the whole professional class ?

Holland and Belgium? You have proof or is this a blind accusation?

I think you are confusing something. Most people who buy the services of hookers are middle aged married professionals. CP is on a different plane.

The mere fact that you are not disgusted says everything. Not only that but you are actually defending this practice and justifying it.

Welcome to the Japanese mind?

btw this isn't some anti-anime or an anti-japanese rant. Its disgusting. Japs should be revolted but instead they embrace it.

[Squeamous]

what difference does it make if perverts want cartoon vs real?

Ye because cartoon is the real fucking deal, every child that watches Tom and Jerry is sooner in life gonna fuck someone up real bad!

It's not hurting any child so bother about other things instead that are more important?

I agree that cartoon or mocked-up child porn can satiate people with those leanings in a safe way, although there is an argument that it encourages that behaviour. I don't know enough about it to judge.

I would worry though about it becoming the norm to get off on sexual images of children throughout society and not just as a sexual fetish indulged in by the few. I don't think it would be very healthy for this sort of thing to become acceptable.

[Alien5]

the law is an ass.

[Something Else]

the law is an ass.

A young ass. :no:

[Alien5]

the law is an ass.

A young ass. :no: :o pervert

[J-dye]

maybe young japs are really adult women ?

[Squeamous]

It is hard to tell. They seem to go from being 15 to 50 overnight :unsure:.

[Biggles]

Holland and Belgium? You have proof or is this a blind accusation?



btw this isn't some anti-anime or an anti-japanese rant.

You should get out and about more. There is an awful lot of truly awful stuff happening out there that is far worse than a few cartoons. So what is your view of the fact that half of all marriages in Afghanistan are to girls under 14 (some well under 14)?


As to your second, the fact that you constantly deflect real abuse like that which I have just mentioned to talk about cartoons sounds like an anti-Japanese rant to me. The simple fact is that Japan is no more dangerous than most other developed countries and a lot safer than most places on this planet. You might not like their culture but girls there could be born into far worse socieities. It is not exactly a bundle of laughs being a girl in Saudi Arabia or Iran or in some of the African countries where a virgin is considered a cure for aids (the desperate will clutch at any straw).

:unsure: although why I am taking a troll seriously is beyond me :idunno:

[Squeamous]

So if I start up a series of threads on Africa and most of the Islamic world, can we talk about Japan then? Or is it a taboo subject.

[Biggles]

So if I start up a series of threads on Africa and most of the Islamic world, can we talk about Japan then? Or is it a taboo subject.

:lol:

I suppose we could set up specific threads to trash every single country - I mean there are only a couple of hundred countries - :unsure: although I don't know a lot about the Marshall Islands or Djibouti.

Just trying to set some sort of context level for the evil of cartoons versus real life - not making a lot of headway though. :frusty:

To be honest I am not desperately familar with Manga but I have noted that in the little I have seen it does feature school uniforms a lot but that the girls in the uniforms have bewbs like Sam Fox - :unsure: so I am not sure if that really counts as CP.

[J-dye]

It is hard to tell. They seem to go from being 15 to 50 overnight :unsure:.


middle aged jap women only exist in movies :(

[J-dye]

and its CGI

[Squeamous]

:lol:

I suppose we could set up specific threads to trash every single country - I mean there are only a couple of hundred countries - :unsure: although I don't know a lot about the Marshall Islands or Djibouti.

Just trying to set some sort of context level for the evil of cartoons versus real life - not making a lot of headway though. :frusty:

To be honest I am not desperately familar with Manga but I have noted that in the little I have seen it does feature school uniforms a lot but that the girls in the uniforms have bewbs like Sam Fox - :unsure: so I am not sure if that really counts as CP.

I love the word 'Djibuti'. I think I like incongruous consonants at the start of words. I used to know a lady caled 'Mncube', pronounced 'Uncoobay' which I thought was lovely.

Anyway, I digress. Maybe the Niponese just like retards then? You know....grown women with the minds of infants. In which case it's still sick-o-rama :snooty:.

[Squeamous]

It is hard to tell. They seem to go from being 15 to 50 overnight :unsure:.


middle aged jap women only exist in movies :(

I bought some Japanese porn once for a friend of mine for his birthday, but I didn't really know what I was buying. When it arrived it was full of middle aged Japanese wives. He was so disappointed :lol:.

[Biggles]

:lol:

I suppose we could set up specific threads to trash every single country - I mean there are only a couple of hundred countries - :unsure: although I don't know a lot about the Marshall Islands or Djibouti.

Just trying to set some sort of context level for the evil of cartoons versus real life - not making a lot of headway though. :frusty:

To be honest I am not desperately familar with Manga but I have noted that in the little I have seen it does feature school uniforms a lot but that the girls in the uniforms have bewbs like Sam Fox - :unsure: so I am not sure if that really counts as CP.

I love the word 'Djibuti'. I think I like incongruous consonants at the start of words. I used to know a lady caled 'Mncube', pronounced 'Uncoobay' which I thought was lovely.

Anyway, I digress. Maybe the Niponese just like retards then? You know....grown women with the minds of infants. In which case it's still sick-o-rama :snooty:.

That the Japnese are well mental is not in dispute. It is just that their mentalism is a fair bit more complicated than being given air play here and this is in fact the root of my disagreement with the OP.

Edit: Djibouti is a cracking name which is why I used it :happy:

[Squeamous]

You're disagreeing over the degree of mentalism in the Niponese? Quality!

[Snee]

The main problem with this particular thread, and threadstarter, is that it's a combination of dubious sources, a bit of exaggeration and quite a bit of him making it sound as if Japan is the worst country in the world or somesuch, while he simultaneously ignores or distorts anything that doesn't fit.

It's a bit like his hangup on the age of consent, which in effect is higher in much of Japan than in a lot of western countries, what with regional ordnaces overriding the base-law.

Kiddie-pron obviously isn't cool, but quoting some sensationalist article which in turn quotes some IMO dubious sources accomplishes nothing.

The whole business with cartoon porn being such a problem in Japan is also a bit strange, what with how it's actually treated in the rest of the world.

It's also a bit funny, reading the article, that it says:

Last October, the Japanese government issued the results of its Special Opinion Poll on Harmful Materials, in which 86.5% of respondents said that manga and art should be subject to regulation for child pornography...
That hardly sounds as if child-pornography, in cartoons or not, is acceptable by a majority, and furthermore, as that quote concerns cartoons alone, you have to wonder how many more would object to the real thing.

All of that, coupled with all the nasty crap going on in a lot of western presumably more advanced cultures (at least that's how I'm reading him), wrt child abuse and whatnot, makes me wonder how much worse Japan is than anywhere else, really, if at all, when it comes to actual abuse and directly harmful actions rather than some idealized notion of innocence and (extremely and unpleasantly so) youth being desirable.

[Snee]

And on a somewhat unrelated note, a vietnamese friend and I was watching some haduri-vids yesterday (Korean thingie), and I found it really unpleasant (she didn't notice, I don't think) finding some tards commenting on on whether some girl (can't have been more than 12 or so) was a virgin or not and so forth (it got worse), and this was westerners (at least I'm pretty sure it was) making those comments.

Some seriously nasty people come out to play, from all over, on the internet, and people viewing young girls as sex-objects, at that.

[Biggles]

You're disagreeing over the degree of mentalism in the Niponese? Quality!

:shifty: I thought so.

[Squeamous]

On a slightly related note, I bought a dress the other day that my OH says makes me look like a Japanese schoolgirl. Admittedly I bought it in a Niponese shop in Covent garden. Now I'm wondering if I dare wear it out lest I end up with half a dozen letcherous old orientals stuck to the hem :unsure:.

[Actatoi]

Pedophiles are the ones that watch child porn, cartoon or not.

Yes, ofcourse since pedophiles are attracted by pre pubertal girls. But you rather ban it and make it fucking bad, let's hate more on them. Let's make them disgusted over themselfs for something they were born with, I'm heterosexual, someone I know is a homosexual. You judge me and him/her because of that?



Eventually it will escalate. The point is there's a huge market for child porn when there shouldn't be one at all.

Your assumption.



But lets ignore the fact that the $6 billion is fuelled by pedophiles. Its just cartoons!!! WHY SO BAD?!!?

Yes, tell me why it's so bad. Bring me some serious facts, serious studies. Tell me, argue like you actually know some more about it and maybe I will listen, I often tend to do it and can change opinion if I see I'm wrong.



If the cartoon CP industry alone is $6 billion i dont want to know what happens in the real world. Its just revolting. Whats more revolting are the Japanese who instead of being revolted are actually defending this.

I don't see any logic here. Open your eyes to the real world then instead, like Biggles are trying to point out. Instead of focusing on cartoon.

[Biggles]

On a slightly related note, I bought a dress the other day that my OH says makes me look like a Japanese schoolgirl. Admittedly I bought it in a Niponese shop in Covent garden. Now I'm wondering if I dare wear it out lest I end up with half a dozen letcherous old orientals stuck to the hem :unsure:.

:sick: an image in my head I could have done without

...

/pics though :)

I ask on behalf of Mulder like :sneaky:

[chalice]

I had a friend when I was growing up. He was more a friend of my cousin's whom I met vicariously.

He was uniformly ugly with very little social skills. I had never held out much hope for him, knowing that our paths would soon part.

I jumped on a bus several weeks ago to find my previously mentioned cousin driving the bus. Free bus journey fwt. However, that's not important. During our re-collective conversation my cousin relayed to me certain sobering facts. Fact.

Turns out that Brian sexually abused his sister's daughter whom he happen to share a domicile with.

And you think you know people.

[Biggles]

I had a friend when I was growing up. He was more a friend of my cousin's whom I met vicariously.

He was uniformly ugly with very little social skills. I had never held out much hope for him, knowing that our paths would soon part.

I jumped on a bus several weeks ago to find my previously mentioned cousin driving the bus. Free bus journey fwt. However, that's not important. During our re-collective conversation my cousin relayed to me certain sobering facts. Fact.

Turns out that Brian sexually abused his sister's daughter whom he happen to share a domicile with.

And you think you know people.

That said your original assessment seems close to the mark - and with a name like Brian probably not a big reader of Japanese books either.

[Mr JP Fugley]

I had a friend when I was growing up. He was more a friend of my cousin's whom I met vicariously.

He was uniformly ugly with very little social skills. I had never held out much hope for him, knowing that our paths would soon part.

I jumped on a bus several weeks ago to find my previously mentioned cousin driving the bus. Free bus journey fwt. However, that's not important. During our re-collective conversation my cousin relayed to me certain sobering facts. Fact.

Turns out that Brian sexually abused his sister's daughter whom he happen to share a domicile with.

And you think you know people.

Went for lunch with a chum the other day, an apres Mass thing. Long story short, someone he knew and thought a decent spud had been named in a Paternity suit. He took the DNA test as requested to prove the wean wasn't his.

Couple of days later Plod came to his work and lifted him, turns out his DNA showed that he was a chap they wanted for a kidnap, rape and murder.

[Squeamous]

:sick: an image in my head I could have done without

...

/pics though :)

I ask on behalf of Mulder like :sneaky:

*sigh* since it's Mulder....

http://i25.tinypic.com/2wgagxz.jpg

[Alien5]

:wank:

[Mr JP Fugley]

:wank:

Up yours I was just relating a story.

[Biggles]

:sick: an image in my head I could have done without

...

/pics though :)

I ask on behalf of Mulder like :sneaky:

*sigh* since it's Mulder....

http://i25.tinypic.com/2wgagxz.jpg

I can see why the OH thinks it makes you look a bit Japanese - it even changes your hair colour :huh: Cute pants though.

JP that is absolutely terrifying. I think I would find that really disturbing - in a long term sort of way too.

[Squeamous]

:happy:

[saqib]

it is deranged

[Alien5]

it is deranged

so are you.

japanese animation > Allah

[Submission]

I dont know whats more weird, their super nerdiness or the prevalent CP in Japan.

[J-dye]

japan rawks . they have robots

so stfu submission . canada doesnt have robots :ermm:

[J-dye]

*sigh* since it's Mulder....

http://i25.tinypic.com/2wgagxz.jpg

i would hit her :mellow:

[Squeamous]

Better be quick then.....you've got 6 months before she's a granny!

[J-dye]

oh shit , i dont wanna see her becoming a granny whe she reaches orgasm . i have to be real quick . lol

[Submission]

you're openly talking about banging an underaged girl?

Seriously are you stupid?

[J-dye]

am horny and stoned

[J-dye]

white summer black mountain side , niceeeee

:smilie4:

[Squeamous]

you're openly talking about banging an underaged girl?

Seriously are you stupid?

You're only as stupid as the people you talk to.

Damn :(.

[Actatoi]

you're openly talking about banging an underaged girl?

Seriously are you stupid?

WATCH OUT FOR ZE COPS

or?

[Submission]

uh what?

[Submission]

Holland and Belgium? You have proof or is this a blind accusation?



btw this isn't some anti-anime or an anti-japanese rant.

You should get out and about more. There is an awful lot of truly awful stuff happening out there that is far worse than a few cartoons. So what is your view of the fact that half of all marriages in Afghanistan are to girls under 14 (some well under 14)?


As to your second, the fact that you constantly deflect real abuse like that which I have just mentioned to talk about cartoons sounds like an anti-Japanese rant to me. The simple fact is that Japan is no more dangerous than most other developed countries and a lot safer than most places on this planet. You might not like their culture but girls there could be born into far worse socieities. It is not exactly a bundle of laughs being a girl in Saudi Arabia or Iran or in some of the African countries where a virgin is considered a cure for aids (the desperate will clutch at any straw).

:unsure: although why I am taking a troll seriously is beyond me :idunno:

One crime does not negate another crime. What happens in Afghanistan, which is a 3rd world country, is irrelevant to laws in Japan that are socially accepted.

I'm not deflecting anything, on the contrary its you who's deflecting.

[Submission]

oh noes! it wont go away!!

[Submission]

lolicon: In Japan, the term describes an attraction to young girls,[3] or an individual with such an attraction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon