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j2k4
04-04-2008, 12:35 PM
Well, then.

Do you die-hard global-warming enthusiasts question those who question global-warming?

After all, it is the U.N. ...:whistling

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346310,00.html

clocker
04-04-2008, 03:10 PM
A small number of scientists doubt whether this means global warming has peaked and the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted, but Jarraud insists this is not the case and notes that 1998 temperatures would still be well above average for the century.

"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he told the BBC. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming."
Um, OK.

I have a question, j2.
If you doubt that "global warming" actually exists, what is lost by following the recommendations of those who believe it's true?
How can cutting down emissions and developing alternative energy sources be a bad thing even if it doesn't lead to a cooler planet?

j2k4
04-04-2008, 07:30 PM
A small number of scientists doubt whether this means global warming has peaked and the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted, but Jarraud insists this is not the case and notes that 1998 temperatures would still be well above average for the century.

"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he told the BBC. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming."
Um, OK.

I have a question, j2.
If you doubt that "global warming" actually exists, what is lost by following the recommendations of those who believe it's true?
How can cutting down emissions and developing alternative energy sources be a bad thing even if it doesn't lead to a cooler planet?

I realize now I should've formulated my post for the discriminating palate...


First of all - by way of amending my post - I don't quarrel the argument (however tenuous) that global warming may actually be occurring.

My dispute has to do with the part of any actual "warming" attributed/attributable to humans - I find the associated reasonings (the "science") to range from questionable to utterly silly.

As to your last:

Cutting emissions and developing alternative fuels/sources is naught but a good idea, but to do so at so drastic a cost as prescribed by the current crop of "experts" borders on suicidal.

These things should be done because they are sensible and good practice, not just because Al Gore says so.

Punitive taxation for the purpose of "fighting global warming"?

The Kyoto Treaty?

Rubbish.

One need look no further than the carbon credit scam or the ethanol boondoggle.

Ffs, a fellow can't afford to buy an ear of corn anymore. :whistling

clocker
04-04-2008, 08:46 PM
I like corn.

j2k4
04-04-2008, 11:14 PM
I like corn.

I'll remember that. :whistling

Another thought, one with horrible implication:

Rare (unaffordable) corn=expensive(r) bourbon.

Yoiks. :cry:

clocker
04-05-2008, 12:19 AM
I like bourbon as well.

Damn Al Gore.

bigboab
04-05-2008, 06:41 AM
Global warming will be a reality when they start saying 'This has been the hottest day ever', not, 'This has been the hottest day since 150 years ago'. How did the ice in the ice age melt away? We seem to have survived that 'global warming'.


1998 temperatures would still be well above average for the century


1998 Phew, that would melt iron.:whistling

ilw
04-05-2008, 10:01 AM
Well, then.

Do you die-hard global-warming enthusiasts question those who question global-warming?

After all, it is the U.N. ...:whistling

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346310,00.html

are you taking the piss out of fox?
if not:
why have they picked 1998, is it because ten years is a nice round number... or is it because 1998 was the second hottest year in the last 118 years? Are they really comparing an el nino year just ten years ago to a la nina year and using that to justify anything? They'd have to either be cretins, or intentionally misleading

clocker
04-05-2008, 12:23 PM
They'd have to either be cretins, or intentionally misleading
One does not preclude the other.

Let's be generous and assume they're both.

j2k4
04-05-2008, 12:51 PM
Well, then.

Do you die-hard global-warming enthusiasts question those who question global-warming?

After all, it is the U.N. ...:whistling

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346310,00.html

are you taking the piss out of fox?


Even a cretin would realize I'm taking the piss out of the U.N., Ian. :whistling

ilw
04-05-2008, 07:11 PM
are you taking the piss out of fox?


Even a cretin would realize I'm taking the piss out of the U.N., Ian. :whistling

perhaps i was giving you too much credit... :whistling

j2k4
04-06-2008, 02:33 PM
Even a cretin would realize I'm taking the piss out of the U.N., Ian. :whistling

perhaps i was giving you too much credit... :whistling

Cretins always do that. :whistling