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Mr JP Fugley
04-13-2008, 06:52 PM
Does your name come from cells, your love of rats, serious illness or some combination of all of them.

manicgeek
04-13-2008, 07:11 PM
I could tell you that, but I wont... me being a cunt and all :lol:

Squeamous
04-13-2008, 10:20 PM
Yeah, I heard it during a lecture once....as a type of epithelial cell. I just liked the word. Should be squamous really but I mis-spelled it. I wish it was more interesting than that :dry:.

Alien5
04-13-2008, 10:22 PM
its a cross between a squeak & a mousse.

Mr JP Fugley
04-13-2008, 10:23 PM
I had assumed the mis-spelling.

In what circumstances were you attending this lecture. Were you tax dodging at the time and if so to what end.

Squeamous
04-13-2008, 10:23 PM
'Tisn't :snooty:

Squeamous
04-13-2008, 10:25 PM
I had assumed the mis-spelling.

In what circumstances were you attending this lecture. Were you tax dodging at the time and if so to what end.

Well! That's a very cynical way of putting it! :shifty:

I believe I was trying to pass exams at the time and going to 2/3 lectures was a prerequisite for being allowed to stay on in the uni bar for another year.

Mr JP Fugley
04-13-2008, 10:27 PM
I had assumed the mis-spelling.

In what circumstances were you attending this lecture. Were you tax dodging at the time and if so to what end.

Well! That's a very cynical way of putting it! :shifty:

I believe I was trying to pass exams at the time and going to 2/3 lectures was a prerequisite for being allowed to stay on in the uni bar for another year.

And the ultimate goal was a degree presumably. I'm just interested in what you were studying at the time.

Squeamous
04-13-2008, 10:34 PM
Yeah I know.....I just thought the answer would be boring :(. Biology.

Mr JP Fugley
04-13-2008, 10:38 PM
Not boring at all, it interests me.

Did you complete this course and go on to be a biologist or do something else.

CrabGirl
04-13-2008, 10:41 PM
Yeah I know.....I just thought the answer would be boring :(. Biology.

Snap.

Squamous is a brilliant word. Other phrases I love include:

Crypts of Lieberkuhn, Islets of Langerhans and Phloem.

Brilliant.

Squeamous
04-13-2008, 10:51 PM
I love those ones too! God we're sad.

Mr JP Fugley
04-13-2008, 10:55 PM
So did you go into a career in biologism or do something else.

Squeamous
04-13-2008, 11:02 PM
Look, can we just cut to the chase...you know your finger is itching over that ignore button. Just tell me what you're waiting to hear and we can get it over with.

Mr JP Fugley
04-13-2008, 11:04 PM
Look, can we just cut to the chase...you know your finger is itching over that ignore button. Just tell me what you're waiting to hear and we can get it over with.

Not at all, I am genuinely interested.

True Story.

Alien5
04-13-2008, 11:05 PM
Look, can we just cut to the chase...you know your finger is itching over that ignore button. Just tell me what you're waiting to hear and we can get it over with.

Not at all, I am genuinely interested.

True Story.

:lol:

Snee
04-13-2008, 11:05 PM
I think JP's just making conversation, like. It's been known to happen.

manicgeek
04-13-2008, 11:06 PM
Look, can we just cut to the chase...you know your finger is itching over that ignore button. Just tell me what you're waiting to hear and we can get it over with.

Ignore him first... go on ;)

Alien5
04-13-2008, 11:07 PM
i love the way Squeamous chose to take the harsh route over the make idle conversation route. :glag:

classic post.

Mr JP Fugley
04-13-2008, 11:09 PM
Not at all, I am genuinely interested.

True Story.

:lol:

Don't you dis the "True Story" post.

manicgeek
04-13-2008, 11:09 PM
Harsh people get thought of harshly.

Biggles
04-13-2008, 11:10 PM
I think JP's just making conversation, like. It's been known to happen.

:lol:

Mellow JP is more unsettling than regular JP

Strange but true.

Alien5
04-13-2008, 11:11 PM
diet jp > regular jp.

Squeamous
04-13-2008, 11:15 PM
Wellll...alright then Fug....but if you're nasty to me that's it, we're finished :snooty:.

I became a school lab tech and then went into medical research.....been there ever since.

Squeamous
04-13-2008, 11:17 PM
I think JP's just making conversation, like. It's been known to happen.

:lol:

Mellow JP is more unsettling than regular JP

Strange but true.

It does feel a bit strange :unsure:.

Mr JP Fugley
04-13-2008, 11:18 PM
I was also a school Lab Tech.

True Story.

How did you get into medical research. Did you re-train.

Squeamous
04-13-2008, 11:33 PM
Hardest game in the woooorld....

Nope, just went for a new job and got it. It took lots of training to do but I was paid for it. Truth be told I didn't know what it was all about and I kind of landed on my feet.

Proper Bo
04-14-2008, 12:28 AM
Hardest game in the woooorld....
:lol:
30 years, man and boy.

Mr JP Fugley
04-14-2008, 07:16 PM
Hardest game in the woooorld....

Nope, just went for a new job and got it. It took lots of training to do but I was paid for it. Truth be told I didn't know what it was all about and I kind of landed on my feet.

So are you still working as a technician or did you really go back to square one and re-train from there.

Squeamous
04-14-2008, 09:55 PM
As a school technician? No, I did it for about a year. I left uni in Leicester and outside the university there's fuck all to do with a science degree. Worked in a bar for 6 months, then a school in Rutland for a year as a computers in science tech, setting up/devising datalogging experiments for the kids and being general PAT testing/maintenance dogsbody. I didn't really go back from there, it was a step up. I got a job in a medical research facility as a technician with more money and responsibility and everything. The job used my degree education better and rather than re-train me, gave me some training in something practical rather than academic. I'm useless for anything else now, my role is so specific, but there are at least a few places that do it in the UK and I could go abroad and do it. Just as I took the job (it's been 6 years now), all this stem cell research started bearing fruit and micromanipulation skills of said stuff became really useful. Hence, I was really lucky :yup:.

Mr JP Fugley
04-14-2008, 10:06 PM
Forgive me for this and I know it's probably like asking you to crochet jelly but what is it that you actually do, in a way that a non medical researcher would understand.

If you could manage it in words of as few syllables as possible that would also be nice.

Squeamous
04-14-2008, 10:14 PM
Ok, I work in a technical support division. The academic labs use our services to do things that are fiddly. So, we create genetically altered mice and we help with storage of mouse, fish and rat lines and assisted reproduction (like IVF). I suppose we help them maintain and create their animal colonies is the best summary. None of it is that difficult to understand, it's just fiddly work that scientists can't be arsed to learn. Like, you buy your shoes from a shop because you can't be bothered with cobbling them yourself type of thing....and if you did they'd probably fall apart in a few weeks.

Snee
04-14-2008, 10:18 PM
It would probably be a bit a of a shame if the mice started falling apart, like. Good thing you are there.

CrabGirl
04-14-2008, 10:20 PM
You've done well there. I'm glad you are using your degree in your job. The nearest I get is talking about vineyard pests!

Something Else
04-15-2008, 01:26 AM
Ok, I work in a technical support division. The academic labs use our services to do things that are fiddly. So, we create genetically altered mice and we help with storage of mouse, fish and rat lines and assisted reproduction (like IVF). I suppose we help them maintain and create their animal colonies is the best summary. None of it is that difficult to understand, it's just fiddly work that scientists can't be arsed to learn. Like, you buy your shoes from a shop because you can't be bothered with cobbling them yourself type of thing....and if you did they'd probably fall apart in a few weeks.

It's like this week's episode of South Park was based on you or something else. :O

Uncanny.

Have you ever grown an ear on a mouse. :unsure:

If yes, is there anything you wouldn't grow on a mouse. :naughty:

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 06:19 AM
It would probably be a bit a of a shame if the mice started falling apart, like. Good thing you are there.

:shifty:

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 06:26 AM
You've done well there. I'm glad you are using your degree in your job. The nearest I get is talking about vineyard pests!

I didn't tell them my specialisation was in botany...that's what my final year was on :shifty:. You have to lie a little bit don't you? I mean a lie of omission isn't as bad as one of addition, and I was desperate.....right? :unsure:.

So are you working for defra or something or a private company? I know people from my course who are working for banks or in the service sector....now that's a real waste of a science degree I think.

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 06:31 AM
It's like this week's episode of South Park was based on you or something else. :O

Uncanny.

Have you ever grown an ear on a mouse. :unsure:

If yes, is there anything you wouldn't grow on a mouse. :naughty:

I'll probably have to wait a couple of years to see it. I don't have cable and the DVD box sets are only out up to the fifth season so far. I'm not sure I like the way they always portray us as being obsessed with putting extra arses on everything but I suppose I'll live with it :dry:.

I once glued my glove to a mouse by accident, but no I've never grown anything on one. I would probably draw the line at an extra arse.

CrabGirl
04-15-2008, 10:24 AM
You've done well there. I'm glad you are using your degree in your job. The nearest I get is talking about vineyard pests!

I didn't tell them my specialisation was in botany...that's what my final year was on :shifty:. You have to lie a little bit don't you? I mean a lie of omission isn't as bad as one of addition, and I was desperate.....right? :unsure:.

So are you working for defra or something or a private company? I know people from my course who are working for banks or in the service sector....now that's a real waste of a science degree I think.y.

No sadly I'm working in the service sector for a wine company. Wasn't doing too badly within the company but cutbacks and relocation have just stripped my department back to the post I was in two years ago. I graduated specializing in ecology, primarily also botany and spent a few years working in conservation officer posts for various charities, and within environmental education. Most of these were short term contracts as they often are and because i stupidly decided to stay in the west country where opportunities are limited, I was forced to take customer services roles in between "proper jobs" and now I'm kinda stuck. I'm looking for jobs further afield again though now.

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 10:51 AM
:lol:

Pmsl!

http://i30.tinypic.com/2ufu91u.jpg

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 10:56 AM
y.

No sadly I'm working in the service sector for a wine company. Wasn't doing too badly within the company but cutbacks and relocation have just stripped my department back to the post I was in two years ago. I graduated specializing in ecology, primarily also botany and spent a few years working in conservation officer posts for various charities, and within environmental education. Most of these were short term contracts as they often are and because i stupidly decided to stay in the west country where opportunities are limited, I was forced to take customer services roles in between "proper jobs" and now I'm kinda stuck. I'm looking for jobs further afield again though now.

Mmm, that's exactly the position I found myself in when I was working at the school. I knew if I stayed for much longer I'd be fucked, so I ended up moving to London before I got a chance to settle down and lost the will to live. My OH is in your position now....he's done a job he fell into in hospitality while looking for a 'proper job' for so long now he can't really do anything else without retraining. I don't mind supporting him while he does, but he's lost the will to try because he hates his job so much.

Glad you've not fallen into a rut you can't get out of CG :yup:.

Something Else
04-15-2008, 11:28 AM
I'll probably have to wait a couple of years to see it. I don't have cable and the DVD box sets are only out up to the fifth season so far.

Ewe don't have teh internets. :blink:

Mr JP Fugley
04-15-2008, 06:32 PM
So, we create genetically altered mice and we help with storage of mouse, fish and rat lines and assisted reproduction (like IVF). None of it is that difficult to understand,

Yeah , it sounds it. :blink:

Who amongst us hasn't created a genetically modified mouse.

Are you now happy with what you do or do you see it as a stepping stone to other things. For example would you wish to work in the academic labs, or do you prefer the "fiddly" bits you are currently working on.

I'm not making a value judgement there, though I can see how it might sound as if I am. Just curious on how you see your career developing.

J-dye
04-15-2008, 07:07 PM
i just saw someone that looks exactly like you mous :unsure:

her name is fey by the way :dabs:

J-dye
04-15-2008, 07:07 PM
am too drunk to post anything else :dabs:

Mr JP Fugley
04-15-2008, 07:11 PM
That's a shame.

Biggles
04-15-2008, 07:13 PM
i just saw someone that looks exactly like you mous :unsure:

her name is fey by the way :dabs:

fey

by the way

is very poetic

or something else

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 10:15 PM
i just saw someone that looks exactly like you mous :unsure:

her name is fey by the way :dabs:

Ooooo, spooky, that sounds like the last syllable of my name :unsure:. You sure you're not just pished and seeing double?

brotherdoobie
04-15-2008, 10:28 PM
Here you go: http://www.surfthechannel.com/show/television/South_Park.html


-bd

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 10:54 PM
Yeah , it sounds it. :blink:

Who amongst us hasn't created a genetically modified mouse.

Are you now happy with what you do or do you see it as a stepping stone to other things. For example would you wish to work in the academic labs, or do you prefer the "fiddly" bits you are currently working on.

I'm not making a value judgement there, though I can see how it might sound as if I am. Just curious on how you see your career developing.

Well I'm kind of doing a bit of both. I've got co-authorship on a paper being submitted by one of the labs. We hear back in about 3 weeks if it's been accepted by the journal. That'll be my first :D. I could have gone down the PhD route (maybe), but I couldn't see where it would take me. I applied for a few posts but my heart wasn't in it. I was worried I would end up with a doctorate working as a sales girl for Glaxo SmithKline or something :O. The way I saw it only the best should get a doctorate...the kind of person who is capable of finding the questions, not just the answers. I'm very good at finding the answers but fuck me if I know what the questions are. I didn't want to waste my time and everyone else's....end up with a token doctorate and no real good to do with it. I think you only need one if you're good enough to be a lab head, and I'm not.

This way I can become really good at something specific, which suits me, and then colaborate with the labs now and again. I also have my own projects I'm doing that could lead to published research within the technical progress side. Anyway, all great discoveries are preceded by great leaps in technology. Scientists can't find things out until someone gives them the tools to do it. Maybe one day I'll have built up enough work to get a retrospective doctorate.

Snee
04-15-2008, 11:04 PM
Welcome to the gradutard ( manker :dry:) club, like.

You should have gone for a PhD, like, titles are fun to collect. I almost did, 'cept I didn't feel strongly enough for anything to devote the ages it would take to research it. My track record for finishing thesises (thesii? :blink:) is less than stellar as it is.

sara's got a PhD, though. I think she told me she sorted her paper in a month of something, the witch.

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 11:18 PM
I'll probably have to wait a couple of years to see it. I don't have cable and the DVD box sets are only out up to the fifth season so far.

Ewe don't have teh internets. :blink:

Tsk! You have to watch it on a TV screen on the sofa shirley?

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 11:19 PM
Welcome to the gradutard ( manker :dry:) club, like.

You should have gone for a PhD, like, titles are fun to collect. I almost did, 'cept I didn't feel strongly enough for anything to devote the ages it would take to research it. My track record for finishing thesises (thesii? :blink:) is less than stellar as it is.

sara's got a PhD, though. I think she told me she sorted her paper in a month of something, the witch.

Yeah, but they're kind of ten a penny. I am an artisan :snooty:.

:lol:

CrabGirl
04-15-2008, 11:21 PM
i just saw someone that looks exactly like you mous :unsure:

her name is fey by the way :dabs:

Ooooo, spooky, that sounds like the last syllable of my name :unsure:. You sure you're not just pished and seeing double?

That IS my name. Fecking Stalkers.

Something Else
04-15-2008, 11:24 PM
Ewe don't have teh internets. :blink:

Tsk! You have to watch it on a TV screen on the sofa shirley?

I do, like. :blink:

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 11:25 PM
I know nothing about computers. Please don't point and laugh :cry:.

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 11:26 PM
Ooooo, spooky, that sounds like the last syllable of my name :unsure:. You sure you're not just pished and seeing double?

That IS my name. Fecking Stalkers.

Maybe we're the same person. So which one of us is Brad Pitt and which one is Edward Norton? :unsure:

Something Else
04-15-2008, 11:28 PM
I know nothing about computers. Please don't point and laugh :cry:.

I watch them on the telly with a device that play's stuff that's stolen from the internets. It's called a hexbawks. :smilie4:

CrabGirl
04-15-2008, 11:30 PM
That IS my name. Fecking Stalkers.

Maybe we're the same person. So which one of us is Brad Pitt and which one is Edward Norton? :unsure:

I'd be the short squat one. You are, I think, taller and blonder than me?

Something Else
04-15-2008, 11:35 PM
Ooooo, spooky, that sounds like the last syllable of my name :unsure:.

lao tsung tsai :unsure:

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 11:54 PM
I know nothing about computers. Please don't point and laugh :cry:.

I watch them on the telly with a device that play's stuff that's stolen from the internets. It's called a hexbawks. :smilie4:

Oh! Ok. I have an Atari ST520. I win!

Squeamous
04-15-2008, 11:56 PM
Maybe we're the same person. So which one of us is Brad Pitt and which one is Edward Norton? :unsure:

I'd be the short squat one. You are, I think, taller and blonder than me?

You want to be Meatloaf? :O

CrabGirl
04-16-2008, 06:52 AM
I don't think I get to choose but squat and hairy seems about right! Anyhoos, off for a few days now so be good! :lol:

brotherdoobie
04-16-2008, 07:04 AM
I hope you enjoy yourself, CG.



Peace, bd :happy:

Squeamous
04-16-2008, 07:17 AM
I don't think I get to choose but squat and hairy seems about right! Anyhoos, off for a few days now so be good! :lol:

Don't kill your mother...the urge always becomes strong after about 2 days :unsure:.

Have fun :D

CrabGirl
04-16-2008, 07:22 AM
I'm taking her to the Vintage Fesival on friday night. Seeing as she gets tipsy just sniffing wine it should be hilarious. :glag:

Squeamous
04-16-2008, 07:28 AM
I'm taking her to the Vintage Fesival on friday night. Seeing as she gets tipsy just sniffing wine it should be hilarious. :glag:

Does she do that old lady type of drunkeness where they laugh like drains for hours on end and keep thumping you on the arm in that 'eh? EH?' sort of a way? :fist:

CrabGirl
04-16-2008, 07:32 AM
I'm taking her to the Vintage Fesival on friday night. Seeing as she gets tipsy just sniffing wine it should be hilarious. :glag:

Does she do that old lady type of drunkeness where they laugh like drains for hours on end and keep thumping you on the arm in that 'eh? EH?' sort of a way? :fist:

My mum is an old hippy so she thinks she's hella-cool when drunk. She may even dance. If this happens at the VF I'm leaving her there. There's no thumping but she starts laughing like a hysterical Greek owl and can't stop. "Hooo hooo hoo hooo hoo hooooooooooo" :ouch:

Squeamous
04-16-2008, 07:38 AM
She sounds like a hoot!

(sorry :lol:)

J-dye
04-16-2008, 08:01 AM
i just saw someone that looks exactly like you mous :unsure:

her name is fey by the way :dabs:

Ooooo, spooky, that sounds like the last syllable of my name :unsure:. You sure you're not just pished and seeing double?

i was drunk :dabs:

J-dye
04-16-2008, 08:02 AM
Ooooo, spooky, that sounds like the last syllable of my name :unsure:. You sure you're not just pished and seeing double?

That IS my name. Fecking Stalkers.


do you have a perfectly round bubble butt :shifty:

Chip Monk
04-16-2008, 03:29 PM
Yeah , it sounds it. :blink:

Who amongst us hasn't created a genetically modified mouse.

Are you now happy with what you do or do you see it as a stepping stone to other things. For example would you wish to work in the academic labs, or do you prefer the "fiddly" bits you are currently working on.

I'm not making a value judgement there, though I can see how it might sound as if I am. Just curious on how you see your career developing.

Well I'm kind of doing a bit of both. I've got co-authorship on a paper being submitted by one of the labs. We hear back in about 3 weeks if it's been accepted by the journal. That'll be my first :D.

Good luck with that, let us know how you get on.

Squeamous
04-16-2008, 04:01 PM
Thanks CM, that's really kind of you.

Mr JP Fugley
04-16-2008, 06:31 PM
Is it possible for you to explain to the hard of thinking what your paper is about. Just an overview like, not the paper itself. It's an area which is a totally closed book to me, most other people as well I should think.

Squeamous
04-17-2008, 08:24 AM
It's not really my paper. The science behind it belongs to the lab, but the technical side is what I advised on. I'm surprised they gave me a co-authorship to be honest, but I have reasoned that if I hadn't been doing my job so well they would have got half as much info as they needed, and I did advise them with some specific things they didn't know how to do. Although to be honest I would have been happy with an acknowledgement.

Anyway, the paper is about a gene that among other things contributes to limb formation. It's present in mammals, amphibians, fish, even in animals without limbs where it's expressed in the region they would form if they had them (ie torso). The lab wanted to find out how it goes about helping limbs to form, all the various things that interact with it to do its job. I have to be a bit vague anyway because there's a competition issue and I don't want to get in trouble :unsure:.

Barbarossa
04-17-2008, 08:37 AM
Millipedes must be choc-a-bloc with that then, eh :unsure:


/me doesn't really understand about genes

Squeamous
04-17-2008, 08:43 AM
:lol:

I don't think it's in insects :unsure:.

Barbarossa
04-17-2008, 09:07 AM
Are you trying to trick me? :dabsrod:

millipedes aren't, you know, insects, innit :blink:

Squeamous
04-17-2008, 11:33 AM
Oh yeah. What are they then? Can't say I've ever given much thought to the taxonomy of the millipede :unsure:.

Barbarossa
04-17-2008, 11:43 AM
They are classed as "diplopoda" of the subphylum "myriapoda" of the phylum "arthropoda" of the kingdom of "animalia".

"creepy crawlies" for short :blink:

Biggles
04-17-2008, 12:07 PM
That IS my name. Fecking Stalkers.


do you have a perfectly round bubble butt :shifty:

No idea what relevance that has but it is a good question.

/pics would help.

Somebody has to make an effort with Mulder on the sulks.

brotherdoobie
04-17-2008, 12:54 PM
Oh yeah. What are they then? Can't say I've ever given much thought to the taxonomy of the millipede :unsure:.


They have more than six legs. So they're not considered insects.
However, they're close enough. Yuck.


-bd :unsure:

Biggles
04-17-2008, 01:16 PM
They are classed as "diplopoda" of the subphylum "myriapoda" of the phylum "arthropoda" of the kingdom of "animalia".

"creepy crawlies" for short :blink:

:snooty: I knew that...well the latter part anyways

Mr JP Fugley
04-17-2008, 03:14 PM
It's not really my paper. The science behind it belongs to the lab, but the technical side is what I advised on. I'm surprised they gave me a co-authorship to be honest, but I have reasoned that if I hadn't been doing my job so well they would have got half as much info as they needed, and I did advise them with some specific things they didn't know how to do. Although to be honest I would have been happy with an acknowledgement.

Anyway, the paper is about a gene that among other things contributes to limb formation. It's present in mammals, amphibians, fish, even in animals without limbs where it's expressed in the region they would form if they had them (ie torso). The lab wanted to find out how it goes about helping limbs to form, all the various things that interact with it to do its job. I have to be a bit vague anyway because there's a competition issue and I don't want to get in trouble :unsure:.

Promise I won't plagiarise.

Cross my heart ... with a kidney and pump pish through my veins.

Mr JP Fugley
04-17-2008, 03:14 PM
Oh yeah. What are they then? Can't say I've ever given much thought to the taxonomy of the millipede :unsure:.


They have more than six legs. So they're not considered insects.
However, they're close enough. Yuck.


-bd :unsure:

That's why spiders aren't classed as insects either.

Something Else
04-17-2008, 03:33 PM
I watched a 'Giant Centipede VS Mouse' Video on youtube.
Terrifying. :fear:

Mr JP Fugley
04-17-2008, 03:58 PM
Who won.

That one's to you Ben.

Something Else
04-17-2008, 04:00 PM
Giant Centipede Eviscerates Mouse

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RoXfYvoUsxg

Goes well to Piano Trio in E flat, D.929 - IV. Allegro moderato - Franz Schubert

Mr JP Fugley
04-17-2008, 04:07 PM
A draw then.

CrabGirl
04-17-2008, 10:14 PM
That IS my name. Fecking Stalkers.


do you have a perfectly round bubble butt :shifty:

What kinda question is that?

Mr JP Fugley
04-17-2008, 10:23 PM
Impertinent one would have thought.

Biggles
04-17-2008, 10:24 PM
Impertinent one would have thought.

Tangential and impertinent.

Squeamous
04-21-2008, 05:20 PM
Giant Centipede Eviscerates Mouse

RoXfYvoUsxg

Goes well to Piano Trio in E flat, D.929 - IV. Allegro moderato - Franz Schubert

That's horrible. There are some sick fuckers out there.

JPaul
04-21-2008, 05:49 PM
I think it's just nature to be entirely fair.

You growing a cawk on the ear on a mouses back, now that's sick

Something Else
04-21-2008, 06:36 PM
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JPaul
04-21-2008, 06:42 PM
Who would have fucking thought that.

C-mos
04-21-2008, 06:42 PM
that`s a huge d**k :P

brotherdoobie
04-21-2008, 06:50 PM
that`s a huge d**k :P


:dabs:


-bd

Squeamous
04-21-2008, 11:15 PM
I think it's just nature to be entirely fair.

You growing a cawk on the ear on a mouses back, now that's sick

I haven't got a problem with the worm beast eating the mouse, merely that it's doing it for the amusement of a bunch of retards. It's to all our misfortune that despite their obvious lack of status on the evolutonary scale they still possess the opposable thumbs necessary to operate digital recording equipment.

Squeamous
04-21-2008, 11:20 PM
Oh, and if I could actually grow a cock on a mouse do you think I'd be talking to you lot? Or married come to think of it....

JPaul
04-22-2008, 05:47 PM
I think it's just nature to be entirely fair.

You growing a cawk on the ear on a mouses back, now that's sick

I haven't got a problem with the worm beast eating the mouse, merely that it's doing it for the amusement of a bunch of retards.

Again, I think it's doing it because that's what it does. I'm quite sure it never gave a seconds thought as to whether it would be amusing anyone. Whether or not they had learning difficulties.

Are you opposed to national history programmes showing hunting, killing and eating. Sometimes prey being eaten while it is still alive, albeit the victim may be in shock.

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 09:25 PM
Maybe that was worded poorly. I object to an animal doing what it's doing naturally but in a completely alien, man-made environment while a bunch of baying juveniles take amusement from it. I don't have a problem with what it's doing.....more the people who out of some sick morbid fascination are filming and photographing an animal obviously in pain, having staged the whole thing. It's barbaric.

And it fucks me right off that this is ok, yet when I work on animals I get protestors yelling abuse at me, despite the fact that if I was involved in anything like this I would be fired and possibly imprisoned.

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 09:26 PM
Dupe

JPaul
04-22-2008, 09:30 PM
I'm genuinely not seeing your problem. The event itself is perfectly natural and would happen whether or not the pricks filmed it. All they are doing is recording what is happening, they aren't actually causing it to happen per se.

It's really not any different to what someone like David Attenborough does. He and people like him record nature, as it happens then broadcast it to millions of people. Which is exactly what happens in that video.

I have seen BBC documentaries which show that type of thing happening. How is it different.

EDIT - Busy edits excepted.

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 10:06 PM
It's different in the ways I explained. Either I'm bad at explaining, in which case I apologise, or you're a bit fick, in which case you should. Maybe someone else can adjudicate.

JPaul
04-22-2008, 10:12 PM
No need for an adjudicator, we're just chatting about stuff.

Are you like a competitive person in :earl: or something else.

The only difference is that you are making a value judgement on the people who are recording the event. The event itself is just the harshness of nature.

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 10:18 PM
Exactly.

JPaul
04-22-2008, 10:22 PM
Great post.

True story.

Something Else
04-22-2008, 10:24 PM
What about that shark attacks whale vid on youporn.
Is that wrong. :unsure:

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Observant and 100% right....you're on a roll :P.

JPaul
04-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Almost half eleven.

Biggles
04-22-2008, 10:27 PM
I didn't enjoy the video

1) because I think giant psycho centipedes are pretty gross.

2) because it was filmed for vicarious pleasure rather than any natural science insight. As rule people who keep pets that prey on mice, such as spiders, snakes and giant centipedes, feed them dead ones warmed up to body temp. They don't usually lob a live one into the cage for fun.

3) It is actually possible to pick pet spiders and snakes up - the latter quite enjoy it - but giant centipedes are very poisonous and are not desperately cuddly.

Snee
04-22-2008, 10:27 PM
What about that shark attacks whale vid on youporn.
Is that wrong. :unsure:

It's fantastic is what it is.

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 10:28 PM
What about that shark attacks whale vid on youporn.
Is that wrong. :unsure:

It's not wrong if you're not getting any pleasure out of it.

I swear that's a line from Rob Roy :unsure:.

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 10:29 PM
I didn't enjoy the video

1) because I think giant psycho centipedes are pretty gross.

2) because it was filmed for vicarious pleasure rather than any natural science insight. As rule people who keep pets that prey on mice, such as spiders, snakes and giant centipedes, feed them dead ones warmed up to body temp. They don't usually lob a live one into the cage for fun.

3) It is actually possible to pick pet spiders and snakes up - the latter quite enjoy it - but giant centipedes are very poisonous and are not desperately cuddly.

Point 2...spot on.

Something Else
04-22-2008, 10:36 PM
Poor predatory animals. It's not half the fun for them with dead prey.

Not only have they been taken from their natural environment, but they've had their hunting skills demoted to munching warmed up dead stuff to appease our sense of squeamousness. :no:

JPaul
04-22-2008, 10:38 PM
2) because it was filmed for vicarious pleasure rather than any natural science insight. As rule people who keep pets that prey on mice, such as spiders, snakes and giant centipedes, feed them dead ones warmed up to body temp. They don't usually lob a live one into the cage for fun.



That's meaningless, the motivation is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that in nature the big bug thing would kill the mouse and eat it. Not necessarily in that order. It would not get a dead one and heat it up to body temperature prior to eating it.

You are verging on anthropomorphising in order to pass judgement on morons. The fact is that what they recorded is more natural than filming a warmed up corpse being eaten.

Why they did it is irrelevant.

In fact it probably gave us a better "natural science insight" for that. As they didn't fell encumbered by the normal social mores when filming it. The BBC would have shown something much more sanitised.

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 10:51 PM
So you're suggesting we don't anthropomorphise morons? Maybe you have a point.

Biggles
04-22-2008, 10:55 PM
2) because it was filmed for vicarious pleasure rather than any natural science insight. As rule people who keep pets that prey on mice, such as spiders, snakes and giant centipedes, feed them dead ones warmed up to body temp. They don't usually lob a live one into the cage for fun.



That's meaningless, the motivation is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that in nature the big bug thing would kill the mouse and eat it. Not necessarily in that order. It would not get a dead one and heat it up to body temperature prior to eating it.

You are verging on anthropomorphising in order to pass judgement on morons. The fact is that what they recorded is more natural than filming a warmed up corpse being eaten.

Why they did it is irrelevant.

In fact it probably gave us a better "natural science insight" for that. As they didn't fell encumbered by the normal social mores when filming it. The BBC would have shown something much more sanitised.

Well giant centipedes do scavenge as well as catch live prey so a dead one is perfectly OK.

I actually have no issue with the centipede, its motivation is not in question. They are predators, they eat. However, the motivation of the video makers is an issue. They are getting their jollies at the expense of the mouse. A small thing perhaps but I tend to distrust those so jollied as it is often a small step to more vicious past times.

My objection is solely with the video makers - unattractive though I find the wee multi-legged type.

Something Else
04-22-2008, 10:56 PM
I had the sound off when I watched it so I haven't a clue what you are all talking about. :blink:

JPaul
04-22-2008, 11:03 PM
That's meaningless, the motivation is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that in nature the big bug thing would kill the mouse and eat it. Not necessarily in that order. It would not get a dead one and heat it up to body temperature prior to eating it.

You are verging on anthropomorphising in order to pass judgement on morons. The fact is that what they recorded is more natural than filming a warmed up corpse being eaten.

Why they did it is irrelevant.

In fact it probably gave us a better "natural science insight" for that. As they didn't fell encumbered by the normal social mores when filming it. The BBC would have shown something much more sanitised.

Well giant centipedes do scavenge as well as catch live prey so a dead one is perfectly OK.

I actually have no issue with the centipede, its motivation is not in question. They are predators, they eat. However, the motivation of the video makers is an issue. They are getting their jollies at the expense of the mouse. A small thing perhaps but I tend to distrust those so jollied as it is often a small step to more vicious past times.

My objection is solely with the video makers - unattractive though I find the wee multi-legged type.

That's the point, they only recorded nature they didn't cause or manipulate it.

Much as we may find their motivation unpalatable their product is probably more accurate than that created and broadcast by serious natural historians.

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 11:06 PM
Rubbish! You're going too far now. How is putting prey and predator in an empty confined space going to teach anyone anything about their behaviour? All it shows can be predicted without the use of film.

JPaul
04-22-2008, 11:11 PM
Rubbish! You're going too far now. How is putting prey and predator in an empty confined space going to teach anyone anything about their behaviour? All it shows can be predicted without the use of film.

I'm not entirely sure where I said it was a quality teaching video.

Squeamous
04-22-2008, 11:19 PM
'Much as we may find their motivation unpalatable their product is probably more accurate than that created and broadcast by serious natural historians.'

I could tell you were taking the piss earlier on but I thought I'd see where you went with it :shifty:.