Is Kazaa Dying?

[Freek1e]

Just an observation, but Kazaa network seems to be a dying duck

I have been faithfull to Kazaa and been posting my stuff for nearly a year, but have regretfully come to the conclusion that the network seems to be dying

Especially compared to Emu|e and b|t0rrent both of which I have been using to unbelievable success and posting the stuff I d/l off these networks onto Kazaa

It seems a shame that the d/l on Kazaa is dying out and slowing the U/L of files because of slow sharing

You may think I am wrong, but I think it may only be a matter of time until the network falls down to its final hard user base and remains an operating network albeit on a small scale

I invite your comments on this, if u think I am wrong say so, but don't start a flame war with inane comments (i.e you are gay for saying this, you %$£&$** etc...)

In truth I hope that I am wrong, but all the signs are there to be seen :unsure:

[titey]

http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/flame.gif You are gay for saying this, you %$£&$**

[sharedholder]

You are gay for saying this, you %$£&$** AMIN :lol: :lol:


Titey your picture??

[titey]

Originally posted by sharedholder@11 August 2003 - 18:38
Titey  your picture??
Take your pick (http://www.danheller.com/me.html)...


They ain't me, but it's as good as your gonna get. :P

[Arm]

Am I doing something wrong with Bittorrent because I can never use it? It seems like a big piece of shit to me. A good concept that bad badly executed.

[chalkmongoose]

Originally posted by Arm@12 August 2003 - 00:36
Am I doing something wrong with Bittorrent because I can never use it? It seems like a big piece of shit to me. A good concept that bad badly executed.
It is a piece of shit. And no, FT isn't dead yet. I still download all the illegal pornography off of their and Sharaza.

[lynx]

Originally posted by Arm@12 August 2003 - 01:36
Am I doing something wrong with Bittorrent because I can never use it? It seems like a big piece of shit to me. A good concept that bad badly executed.
2 problems with bittorrent

1: userbase is too small.
2: no way of 'searching' for torrents, they have to be posted somewhere, and have a 'tracker' to co-ordinate things, which is a bit like having a central database.

[balamm]

Yes, kazaa is dead. the funeral was held last weekend. That's the real reason the site was closed ;) Did you not get your invite?


And what the hell does any of this have to do with Bittorrent ?? :blink:

[imnotanaddict]

I strongly believe with anti-depressants (an ocassional halucinagen), shock treatments and years of therapy we can get through this and be stronger
for it. Or institutionalized. Dying ?? HA!! HA!! HA!! HA!!

[riesdepies]

For single downloads Kazaa Lite still rules, for albums emule is the best...

[marine_aart]

for albums emule is the best...
I think soulseek is way better :P

[chalkmongoose]

Piolet's the best for music, if you can ignore the banner advertisement.

[kylej458]

I think the popularity has gone down a bit, but it's not even close to "dying".

[DasScoot]

I haven't tried all the new stuff, but Kazaa is still better than the alternatives I have tried (DC++, Bittorrent, WinMX, etc), imo. Sure, it'll die eventually, but it's still my #1 pick.

[pyromonkey]

i think that the reason Kazaa is dying, is not because of the people like us who use verified files, but those who simply flood the fasttrack network with fakes! i use different file sharing progs for different uses (eg soulseek for albums) but i still use Kazaa for single file downloads. imo even if kazaa dies, another filesharing network will come up, and be bigger and better than kazaa was (eg how kazaa outdid napster by a long shot)


nobody can take p2p 100% off the internet, its like taking drugs 100% off the street

[Amarjit]

In my opinion, yes the FastTrack Network is dying away and slowly collapsing. This is because the network is full of bogus files i.e. corrupt and mainly fake, more so than any other network, and it doesn't help with the fact that KaZaA and all of it's other FT clients lack advanced features such as I.C.H. or "ipfilter.dat" etc., it's only a matter of time. Other networks such as eDonkey2000 have survived all this time, I reckon they'll survive a bit longer. Other networks like BitTorrent are great because leechers have a hard time using them. The premium network out there at the moment is G2, an improvement over FT with extra functionality.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by titey+12 August 2003 - 00:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey @ 12 August 2003 - 00:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sharedholder@11 August 2003 - 18:38
Titey your picture??
Take your pick (http://www.danheller.com/me.html)...


They ain&#39;t me, but it&#39;s as good as your gonna get. :P [/b][/quote]
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Funny Guy

[Freek1e]

Amarjit CONGRATULATIONS you understand the point I am trying to make

I have enjoyed all my time on this board but it has become evident that the FT network is dying a SLOOOOOWW death, the user base seems to be crumbling slowly and the network is hammered with fakes, even verified files can take days to d/l because of the leech base in the network

As for bittorrent having a small user base and no way to search for files ever heard of google??? you can find 90% of torrents just on a google search

What I am getting at, is that I am not slagging off Kazaa or the FT network too much (I love being involved in the p2p community/family here and posting my contributions), but it is evident that the network is being killed by fakers and leechers and because of this the user base sems to be shrinking

FYI, d/l of m@trix:relo@ded on b|tt0rrenT was via a constant 60kbps on a 576 dsl
same d/l on kazaa was at peak 12kbps and at worst 0.6kbps
and on emule peak 47kbps at worst waiting

B|T=27hours Emule=2days 5hours Kazaa=4 days 2 hours

simple maths point to the problem, p2p is about sharing, but kazaa is being choked by leeching

I know that ppl love the community here and will defend it to the death but I am sorry to say that the network is dying, it may take a good while yet, but without some upgrading to the network in general (note of I.C.H or fake filtering) it will happen sooner rather than later

However on a plus point if programs can be implemented to enforce a bit more sharing and a bit less leeching then maybe the family can grow once more

If you agree or disagree just say so, but lets put some valid points to gether on this and not just some silly comments, I would welcome some other perspective on this

P.S I will continue to contribute to this board for as long as it remains, I do not join forums as a rule but enjoy the community spirit and lack of flame wars that are here :~

[zapjb]

Only the scared are leaving. The sharers & some shitsticks (fakers) are staying. Let the scaredy cats go. I just wish they&#39;d take the shitsticks with them. :lol:

[THATSHAYNE]

Ya, slow DL&#39;&#39;s is a total drag. You can see that if everyone just opened up their bandwidth, then people would be guaranteed a DL in a couple hours max. But some hoard their UpL bandwidth and set to 1 - total drag. Slows everything - clogs everything - total waist of time... Thats what&#39;s killing Kazaa, but Kazaa don&#39;t give shit so let it die - sounds like there are afew better places to go and they will last cause they set up ways to put an end to abusers.

BTW Shayne loves Wendy - Come to me Baby...

[Renegade720]

titey a man of your image is entitled to be disgruntled :lol:

[IamCool]

no :angry:

[Clint mathis]

I&#39;ve tried using everything said in the topic but nothing but kazaa seems to d/l as fast and as easily as kazaa&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Kazaa still and always will RULE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[megadethew]

I doubt it will last very long if this &#39;non-share&#39; attitude is going to be continued.
I tried grabbing about 20 files (mp3 joke tunes) this morning.. only got 2 to finally connect and these were at approx 0.23k and 0.08k :(
Hopefully, I won&#39;t find they are fakes in 3 or 4 days when the downloadz complete.
lol I miss the 120k download speed of a month ago

[Lamsey]

I just downloaded 2 verified Age of Mythology BINs in under 2 days... I think there&#39;s life in Fastrack yet ;)

[MetroStars]

Yep every movie i can think of is on Kazaa, so there is still life in the old Gal yet..

[pyromonkey]

although kazaa has nearly everything anyone could want on it, getting it is becoming harder and harder due to floods of fakes&#33;

[Freek1e]

It has to be said that I agree MOST files are on Kazaa, but it is the d/l speed that is killing the client.

and 2 AOM bins in 2 days is definitely not fast (try AOM from bittorrent in 3 hours)

this is the problem with the FT network, there needs to be a plug pulled on the share cheat to kill the leeching & there needs to be an ICH handler to kill the fakes

I don&#39;t like the idea of the supreme being and lowered bandwidth for less files shared, but I think there should be a minimum share u/l of 10kbps for all bandwidth users, I mean this will not affect 56k&#39;rs and those ppl with dsl,T1,T3 and better can specify 20kbps and more without touching the bandwidth

This will speed up the network and hopefully revive a flagging beast

Surely ppl who are involved in the kmd & k-lite clients can see what is happening and build in a minimum u/l bandwidth and kill the sharerating restrictions, it is simple, KILL LEECHING, KILL U/L bandwidth scrooges and speed up the network for all

Lets help the family grow

[NightStalker]

I believe as time goes on, KaZaA will progress.. ;)

[Freek1e]

it is hope that keeps this p2p running at the mo.

Simonno2003 hit the nail on the head when he gave the ave of 1.5kbps per user

this is a sad state of affairs.

It is no good hoping that kazaa with evolve.. IT NEED TO EVOLVE TO KEEP GOING

[Freek1e]

btw.... I know that ppl have a special place for this forum and the K-Lite client

but the question is for objective comment, not "I love k-lite & it will never die) etc...

All clients fade eventually but with a little help from the client programmers the network can be a better place

lets hope that they listen&#33;

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Freek1e@14 August 2003 - 20:54
All clients fade eventually but with a little help from the client programmers the network can be a better place

lets hope that they listen&#33;
Truth is Sharman is not doing much in our benifit these days.
It is fortunate that the KL++ team exsists.

[EnJoi]

titey whyd u change ur name?

[Freek1e]

can we not get the message across to the KL++ ppl

Is there any chance that this thread and the thread by simon no2003 could be pinned to get more awareness of the problem

everyone seem to just shrug it off, but leeching is killing the network that is simple fact

what about starting a poll on this subject

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Freek1e@14 August 2003 - 21:57
can we not get the message across to the KL++ ppl

Is there any chance that this thread and the thread by simon no2003 could be pinned to get more awareness of the problem

everyone seem to just shrug it off, but leeching is killing the network that is simple fact
I missed it perhaps, what do you intend to change realisticly.

[Darkshade]

Kazaa-lite is still the fastest on my machine. I use other p2p, but I certainly still use K-lite. I use K-lite for speed, Edonkey2000 for selection and rare files, and BT for stability and reliability.

[stoi]

i cant believe people are still using kazaa/k++, a year ago i did think it was the dogs bollocks, but that is because i didnt know any better, as soon as i discovered bittorrent, irc, newsgroups, i uninstalled kazaa and have not seen a reason to reinstall it.

i regularly hit 130KBs (my max) download speed on BT, irc and newsgorups and thats for the whole file, not just for 20 minutes here and there and then back down to 1KBs.

IMO kazaa/k++/fastrack is the worst p2p/filesharing/just getting anything program out there and the sooner it is put in its coffin the better, especially with bittorrent growing the way it is, it wasnt even mentioned on this forum 6 months ago, and now look at it, its all over the place.

and if you get slow speeds on bittorrent, your either doing something drastically wrong or have elected to get the file as soon as the torrent has been seeded which means you will be getting it from 1 person. wait till a few ppl have seeded it and then get it.

and before anyone flames me, and says "piss off. if you dont like it then stop using this forum" i have probably put more files and verifieds on this site than you (apart from freak1e that is) in my time, but i just dont see the point of the fasttrack network anymore.

stoi

[DasScoot]

piss off. if you dont like it then stop using this forum





Well, really. I get better results with KL than I do with BT, IRC and newsgroups, but I don&#39;t go to them and tell them they suck.

[stoi]

why dont you, i know if i didnt like something about a program, or had a suggestion to make it better, i would speak out, and not just think "well, its crap but i will still use it" and for my newsgroups its my isp, you might have to pay for yours, and with download caps with the pay per use ones then you might not get your full download. but even if i was getting dial up anything is better than kazaa/k++.

stoi

PS: speed isnt everything, even if it takes me 2 days to download something, and on kazaa it would take 3 hours, i will still have it 4 weeks before the kazaa user, because new releases are that slow to spread on the fasttrack network.

[DasScoot]

So what are your suggestions?


And I don&#39;t care much about speed, it&#39;s really just the setup of BT, IRC, etc, that I don&#39;t really like. With KL I can search in half a dozen movies, start downloads, then just leave my computer on for a week and there they are. FTPs are the fastest sources I can find, but finding a file on KL is just so much easier.

[Freek1e]

REALITY:
I missed it perhaps, what do you intend to change realisticly.

I am trying to change the leechs attitude and the &#39;don&#39;t give a toss&#39; attitude of the clients programmers

A good client example is EMULE whre fake files and leeching is minimal due to the client software

This is the type of upgrade required for K-Lite to become a better platform and make the FT network a better place for all

:beerchug: to Stoi as always the voice of reason

Everyone can take a blinkered view to this thread but I am staing the simple truth
it is a fact that simon no2003 also has posted on and that a number of ppl have noticed but said nothing

Kazaa & the FT network are dying due to leeching and clients that do not support the network as much as the users

[Clint mathis]

I cannot believe that you said this about kazaa, probably the best one ever.

The people who misname are the only people killing kazaa.

Everyone stop misnaming&#33;

[DavidPH55]

say... where can i get this bittorrent? it sounds great, since im tired of fakes and slow downloads&#33; and leechers&#33; i have my own thread on leechers, if you care too look, its titled &#39;leeching&#39; description &#39;should it be allowed?&#39; if you wanna check it out *too lazy to put web address* anyways, so yea, where can i find bittorrent...

[Freek1e]

I cannot believe that you said this about kazaa, probably the best one ever.

The people who misname are the only people killing kazaa.

Everyone stop misnaming&#33;

no, clint it is not just the fake files it is the leeching and the client that is killing the network, we need a new k++ client to help with fake files and leeches

[internet.news]

First, I do not know how many users napster have cause I was not very long
there until it was sued ... :(

But what I can say is - it is my experience - that on audiogalaxy were many many people and audiogalaxy was the fastest service for me :) and it is still the fastest one when it will wake up from sleep :) - after ag was closed many people
go to many different p2p programs - that is the issue and the problem:

We have to go to one program together which is similar fast to audiogalaxy - and the best for me is Kazaa Lite K++ at the moment which is much more faster than
the original Kazaa (yellow) version :) and it is more faster than any other client -
cause other clients are bigger, have less users or are not fast enough :)

But anyway, to ensure my file will be available further on I usually have Kazaa
running in background - and sometime Kazaa & SoulSeek - cause many people
like my cousin also went to SoulSeek :) and you can find a lot of music there only the fact that many people get queued while downloading/uploading means at Kazaa
the ul/dl system is probably a little bit better :)

What I want to say is: at the moment we should use more clients at a time :)
probably like me Kazaa & SoulSeek ( http://www.slsk.org ) in backgrund running :)

I also have had sometimes my own SlavaNap Opennap server :)
:) connected to Ballad Network but Opennap is much more slower than
SoulSeek :) It is only good for community but a good community you also can
find on Kazaa and #klchat (now: #kchat - irc.p2pchat.net:6667 )

thanks anyway, david.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Freek1e@15 August 2003 - 18:08
A good client example is EMULE whre fake files and leeching is minimal due to the client software
Although this would involve Sharman Network to get involved, which I am wondering if they even give a shit anymore.

I posted about an email I sent them regarding these problems just to see if I get any resonse at http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?act=ST...t=0#entry455246 (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?act=ST&f=13&t=62541&st=0#entry455246).

Also why not just use eMule, I use Shareaza all the time.

[internet.news]

Although the RIAA sues some people - they can use Kazaa furthermore - c
cause it is decentralized :)

and although I understand this copyright issues, there is more behind the idea of sharing: we have to share our thoughts openly to understnad each other better, ALSO OFFLINE, that&#39;s it&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; and the RIAA are also just humans - and I do not think
the guys in the RIAA headquarter or offices do not talk with each other :)
I do not think so :)

or are they alien? hell, shit&#33;&#33;&#33; WHY didn&#39;t I realize the invasion???

thanks anyway, david.

[jetje]

Well i posted before in a threat like this...

I think there is somehow a point in what freek1 (and Stoi) are saying.
Speeds gone down dramaticly and sometimes i think there are more fakely renamed files on the network then real one. luckily we have some tools to avoid those.. (verify it with verifieds and avi preview&#33;).

Think there are multiple reasons for the drop of speed.
1 st of all leechers, because of all the riaa fuzz more people stop sharing their files and are only takers&#33;
2 nd a lot use more programs to get their files, therefor they limit or divide their upload speed in those programs.

Probably some more reasons... but think these are the main&#33;.

Btw the 2nd one goes up for all. This will also kill bittorent or whatever other program.

[abu_has_the_power]

kazaa can&#39;t and will never die. wat will all the noobies and newcomers to the p2p universe do? :lol: :lol:

[TheFilePirater]

the main reason why kazaa is "dying" is of leechers,fake files,people scared of the RIAA and the most important...the average kazaa user (kmd) has no idea bout divx,riaa making bad files,why movies dont play and spyware, they just dont relize wat is happing, they download 1 song, it plays for 15sec and doesnt work then they go for another 1, and soon they share 15 currypt sogns

[Switeck]

One thing that&#39;s been completely ignored is that firewalled/router users are screwed by design on Kazaa. As more and more broadband users get routers to have multiple computers connected to the internet at once, fewer and fewer of those will be able to use Kazaa (or KL++) to their full extent.

If you are one of the firewalled/router users, you desperately need to get KaNAT, use port-forwarding at the router level, and unfirewall Kazaa. Otherwise, the only people you can download and upload to are non-firewalled users which don&#39;t have a router -- which in other words means mostly 56k users&#33;

Leeching is incredibly bad now on Kazaa. Out of the last 20 or so people who&#39;ve downloaded from me, only about 3 were visibly sharing files (although some of the 20 were no doubt using KL++&#39;s privacy patch.)

The lack of partial file sharing makes Kazaa very poor for sharing big files.

The lack of file integrity checking means even a 1-byte error in sending of a 600+ MB movie means that particular copy (probably) cannot be used as another source for that movie. And as files get copied many times, the levels of corruption increase.

Kazaa&#39;s network was doomed from the start. It took the Gnutella network ideas -- made it proprietary -- and stagnated. While even the Gnutella network has p2p programs on it now that support partial file sharing, hash checking, automated sharing of additional source lists for downloads (called alt locs), and UltraPeers/supernodes that now rival the size of the supernodes on the fasttrack network.

[ISthisLEGAL.com]

Kazaa will only die if we let it, there needs to be a new version that wont allow leeching maybe a credit system where you get credits from people uploading from you, you can then use them to download off people that way everyones going to be sharing files that people want in order to get credits.

the main problem if possible at all would be to make the older versions of kazaa not work on the updated net work.

[Freek1e]

When I started this thread the majority of ppl said " ftnetwork/kazaa will not die", but as the thread has carried on I have noticed that a lot of ppl share my opinion that leeching is killing the network, along with the obvious fake files and the RIAA

The truth that SHARMAN do not give a crap has been posted by a number of ppl and moderators

Therefore I think it inevitable that ftnetwork will die sooner rather than later, ppl do not care enough that we have a good sharing community with the majority of files on tap, instead stupidity reigns in the form of leeching and fake files, ppl even post happily saying that they leech?&#33;?&#33;?

Do they not realise that they are the ones killing the network and will be the fist ones complaining of slow downloads or that they cannot d/l a certain file/game/***

Is there any chance that the new version of KL+++ will include anti-leech measures? I think not, but we can hope&#33;

patience may take practice, but stupidity and greed annoys all

[Freek1e]

I think that all that can be said on this subject has probably been said

If anyone has anything to add then go ahead

If not let this thread be closed

[teikyo30]

What the hell is going on with kazaa lite? It was working fine, and still does if I want to download porn or music, but now all of a sudden movie files won&#39;t download faster than 1 or 2 kbps, and I have a T-1 connection. I&#39;ve also noticed that in the preferences I have it set lower for transfer rate to other users, and it keeps defaulting back to unlimited when I restart the program. What the hell is up with that?

[nukemdomis]

I understand what you are trying to determain Freakie.


I live in Nevada and am a frequent user of K-L. I am thankful that I have not experienced the same challenges as you have with Kazaa++ recently.

Recently, I have been able D/L 50+ audio filesat one time. If I just go smoke or something and leave Kazaa to be after a search those 50+ mp3. files in 20-25 minutes on a 450mhz Pentium II computer carrying a 150kbs/sec. cable connection I will just die and hga
Actually the longer I use K-L the more I D/L, then the more I share those downloads, as uploads, the faster I d



ownload, and the faster I download means that you download faster and so on. A simple process that pertains to all of us users

[nukemdomis]

Originally posted by nukemdomis@6 September 2003 - 03:47
I understand what you are trying to determain Freakie.


I live in Nevada and am a frequent user of K-L. I am thankful that I have not experienced the same challenges as you have with Kazaa++ recently.

Recently, I have been able D/L 50+ audio filesat one time. If I just go smoke or something and leave Kazaa to be after a search those 50+ mp3. files in 20-25 minutes on a 450mhz Pentium II computer carrying a 150kbs/sec. cable connection I will just die and hga
Actually the longer I use K-L the more I D/L, then the more I share those downloads, as uploads, the faster I d



ownload, and the faster I download means that you download faster and so on. A simple process that pertains to all of us users
Yes I do agree with you about the childish behavior that that SOME of the users in here replie to erbehaivor by some of the users in here.

It&#39;s seems pretty popular around the 1000-2500 PSI

[Amplifier_SFH]

It just comes down to the speed on Kazaa really. A year ago I was getting Music Videos at ove 100kbps. Now I get 1 and maybe 10+ if I am getting LUCKY&#33;

[BabyGeniuses]

Is Kazaa dying?
In a practical sense, yes. The combined efforts of the RIAA and other "questionable" private agencies have bullied enough people into removing shared files of questionable legality. They&#39;ve also forced the major ISPs of the US to give into their demands.
Also, people are becoming turned off by KMDs lack of support for their users, a sort of "don&#39;t give a damn" attitude that is somewhat justified, at least to the extent that up to now, they&#39;ve been able to produce an incredibly crappy program and still draw millions of users.
The last straw came, in my opinion, when Kazaa released 2.5, the much-heralded "remix" of the Kazaa GUI that included multiple search tabs, a feature that turned out to be a farce.
And also, there is another thing to consider. If Kazaa Media Desktop cannot gain enough income to support Sharman Networks, and Kazaa Plus falls through, they may have to close up shop, leaving Kazaa Lite in the dust. Although Kazaa Lite has been improved tremendously, it still relies on KMD for connectivity to the decentralized network. Once Sharman decides to close that network, FastTrack will be truly dead.

[Switeck]

Another problem which may be slowing the WHOLE network down as much or more than ALL the leeches and RIAA/MPAA/BSA&#39;s efforts COMBINED is the ever-growing number of spreading trojans and viruses. Once these have infected a computer, their effective upload rate (of GOOD files) to other users quickly drops to nil... and yet another user is effectively converted into a leech.

One of the biggest Kazaa viruses makes a lot of fake files for game patches, cracks, serials, lots of small helper programs, and even spoofs Kazaa versions (v2.5 anyhow) as well as other p2p programs. BearShare 5.1.1.exe is the &#39;keyword&#39; I use to search for it, and I often find 100&#39;s of people sharing it even after searching for less than 2 minutes.

[stonecold1203]

Turned on kazaa.

Over 4 million people online.

Summer vacation is over.

Back to normal

[lmagers]

Reading about Kazaa dying. Put Sinatra in Search and got one file. Is Kazaa Lite not functioning properly, or are people just not using it due to Court Legal suits.Thanks. Batcatone. I am at: [email protected]

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by lmagers@6 September 2003 - 20:47
Reading about Kazaa dying. Put Sinatra in Search and got one file. Is Kazaa Lite not functioning properly, or are people just not using it due to Court Legal suits.Thanks. Batcatone. I am at: [email protected]
jump nodes or connect to a different one i got like well lets say its still going