Anyone been caught by MPPA/RIAA on private sites?

[Ali-g]

OK its a lot of time i havent been here but hell its SUMMER... I cant even believe it... Like Andre says: The summer is here-U wanna feel somebody :happy:

Anyway in october im moving to Canada. I like to share a lot and UL as much as I can and am top member in my preferred sites... so anyone can help me with the rules (if there are any) to not get caught sharing?

First o all is it even possible to get caught on a private tracker without the tracker being caught? And is it legal in Canada to torrent by the way? U know anything of PeerGuardian or Proxy Servers?

Thanx

[integral]

I'm pretty sure users from oink got arrested, fined or whatever. Yes I believe it's quite possible to get caught on a private tracker. Likely? No, but possible.

I believe filesharing laws in Canada are less strict, unless you get caught for doing something major, like leaking screeners or pre-released albums.

[r00t]

I do not think there is so much to be afraid of, if you just use a seedbox to upload and download with .. But yes, I think that MPPA, resulting in what is happening in the torrent world.

[dunson]

1) Don't use big sites. Demonoid, TorrentLeech, BitSoup etc are all too big and insecure to really be safe from getting a letter sent to your ISP. Also, sites with anonym modes or that don't let you view the peers are much, much safer.
2) Don't upload pre-release torrents. (This is what happened in Oink).
3) Don't immediately jump on the newest hottest movies and don't seed forever (If you jump on new torrents, the alphabet boys might be taking notes of all the IPs on that new movie or whatever. Also, the longer your IP is exposed, the more vulnerable you are, especially if you are one of only a few seeders).
4) Don't worry, think about all these users who have uploaded TBs and realize that even though you upload a lot, you're a very, very small target.

[mbucari1]

Simple way to alleviate fear of getting caught is to use usenet ;)

[bilkenter]

Kamon, that sucks, usenet, no way, i used it trust me, rapidshare is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy much more betten than usenet, mostly comments are in german so you dont know whether file works or not and so forth. There is a very big possibility that the game you download wont work...and so forth. Dont waste your money on usenet, get seedbox, buffer like hell :D

[soulreaper]

RIAA/MPAA? They can all join me for a hot cup of tea at my place,no problem.

People here get away with murder,what's piracy infront of that?
Lawlessness rocks sometimes!

[Ali-g]

Thank u guys for comments...

So to come up with my questions:

1. Is Canada safer than Us for example?
2. Any hint on using PeerGuardian or Proxy Servers (is it safer)?
3. SO there really is a chance that u will get caught on a private tracker while the tracker will still go on running>?

I hate UseNet by the way sharing should be about caring not paying.

[Ali-g]

Thank u guys for comments...

So to come up with my questions:

1. Is Canada safer than Us for example?
2. Any hint on using PeerGuardian or Proxy Servers (is it safer)?
3. SO there really is a chance that u will get caught on a private tracker while the tracker will still go on running>?
4. What is less safe to DL? XXX, TV, new films, old films, new games, old games, e-learning?

I hate UseNet by the way sharing should be about caring not paying.

EDIT: Sorry for double post, to mod --> Delete above if u can : )

[tknaught]

3. SO there really is a chance that u will get caught on a private tracker while the tracker will still go on running>?

There is always a chance of being caught. If you can't bear the risk, don't share files.

[Bionic]

You guys are way tooooooooo down-to-internet discussing this thread. Goodluck. :p

[integral]

In a way, Canada is "safer" than the United States; ISPs there won't really get on your ass like in the US where they'll shape your traffic or throttle you completely (Comcast?)

As I said before, there's always a chance you'll get caught. Proxies won't save you if authorities really want to get you.

I don't really believe in things that are "less safe" to download. If the MPAA is targeting a specific tracker, then movies wouldn't be "safe". If the RIAA is targeting you, then music wouldn't be "safe". It's best not to think about this stuff, it probably won't happen to you.

[SkyW]

use peerguardian if you're paranoid

[lysine]

sites with anonym modes or that don't let you view the peers are much, much safer.


how is that safer? download .torrent, join swarm, view IP addresses. hiding your name on the site offers no security at all.


edit: you don't even have to download/upload any data to other peers to get a list of IP address on a torrent.

[stoi]

Kamon, that sucks, usenet, no way, i used it trust me, rapidshare is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy much more betten than usenet, mostly comments are in german so you dont know whether file works or not and so forth. There is a very big possibility that the game you download wont work...and so forth. Dont waste your money on usenet, get seedbox, buffer like hell :D

ok i probably shouldnt get involved in this argumet saying as though i run a torrent site.

but wtf are you talking about.

I have used Usenet for 5 years, never got 1 fake, never downloaded 1 german game, and never ever seen any german comments.

in the last month i have downloaded 400gig from there, and everything works fine.

so i dont know what you were using, but you were obviously not using it properly lol

as for safety on private sites, its very debatable, just because no one has been sought after yet (apart from the oink uploaders) does not mean in the next year they are not going to come down hard.

it is safer than public, but how safe, is anyones guess, especially with them coming after us these days.

[Acumen]

4. What is less safe to DL? XXX, TV, new films, old films, new games, old games, e-learning?
E-learning and porn torrent sites will be the last torrent sites taken down, since the owners of the pirated material hosted on those sites don't form a conglomeration as large and as powerful as the owners of the pirated music and movies. Power influences the government more than principle, as you are well aware.
So, to answer your question: the least safe commodities are new films and music - anything under the watchful eye of the MPAA and RIAA. You don't have to worry about getting sued for downloading ebooks, audiobooks, applications, or even games - but knock on wood!

[extreme08]

I live in Canada and never had a problem with them:)

[Disme]

I do not think there is so much to be afraid of, if you just use a seedbox to upload and download with .. But yes, I think that MPPA, resulting in what is happening in the torrent world.

Rather short-sighted argument imo. Why would you be safer using a seedbox. Don't you pay for that seedbox? When you have to pay for it there will also be a trace back to you.

Anyway ... if sharing copyrighted stuff is illegal in your country you always have the risk being held responsable for it. There are degrees in 'safety', like the difference between a closed private tracker and a public tracker, the location where the tracker is hosted, etc ... but in the end you're always vulnerable when using P2P cause there isn't any way to do it completely anonymous.

Someone said the fact you have an anonymous peerlist on a tracker makes it more safe. I don't believe that is true. The tracker logs show who you are, the tracker staff can see who you are and when authorities get their hands on the server you ain't gonna be safe because your name appeared as 'anonymous' on the peerlist.

A BT-user is always at risk, some more than others and you can do some things to make it a bit less unsure but never completely.

:fst:

[amiga500]

I've never had a problem on any private site. I've also never had a problem when I was using soulseek, emule, or public torrent sites.

[Ali-g]

Ok good debate...
I dont wanna stop torrenting, but I wanna help myself being safer.
Im not at best economically and I dont wanna get a letter from my ISP and then have to pay 1000-2000 $ ... grrrrr
Anyway so people really get caught without private trackers being put down?

[yayyyyyy]

Take care about the trackers you use...

I think the biggest problem is when a tracker is seized... and all his members are fucked up (snatched history and so on... basically they have a complete confession inside the tracker database...)

public trackers instead do not keep a database that says that you have uploaded xxxmb of that file and yyymb of the other file...

that's just what happened to oink users that got "raped"... and nobody knows if they will stop to those uploaders or if they will go further and assrape all the UK users.....

[sokrates]

lol, there is only one thing about a database of a private tracker.. it cannot be considered evidence as the sysop could have been editing everything anyways ;) (atleast in a country with real judges :P )
i havent been caught and dont plan on being caught.. and i cant imagine that they go after one that even gets disabled for inactivity at tl :D

[Ali-g]

Yeah I also dont think the database can be used as evidence.
There are so many things u can consider:
1. U can like me have been in another country where DL & UL copyrighted material was not illegal
2. U could have been trading the accounts, which well can happen
3. The SysOp could have changed manually the database

So I dont think u can be convicted if u arent caught on act, UL material

[yayyyyyy]

Will be nice too see from where the UK police got the infos to make the arrests about oink uploaders...
don't you think it's quite strange that they got arrested AFTER the police ended to analyze oink site? if they had catched them with other ways they would have arrested them way before... with no need to take down the site....

anyway most tbdev installations around keeps everything... even your IP and client used on a certain torrent.
take a look at the "completed torrents" section on hdbits :)

yes ... everything can be faked...

[invite420]

Canada is a safe heaven - isp's block MPPA/RIAA , and by law are not required to
give out customer information in canada

However a new law being pass right now in the commons, may change all that
but for now CANADA is 10 times safer than the states

P.S - Feel unsafe - use PROTOWALL

[becomehokage]

ive been caught.
But i fought back.
And i won.
WIN~

[predateur]

1) Don't use big sites. Demonoid, TorrentLeech, BitSoup etc are all too big and insecure to really be safe from getting a letter sent to your ISP. Also, sites with anonym modes or that don't let you view the peers are much, much safer.
2) Don't upload pre-release torrents. (This is what happened in Oink).
3) Don't immediately jump on the newest hottest movies and don't seed forever (If you jump on new torrents, the alphabet boys might be taking notes of all the IPs on that new movie or whatever. Also, the longer your IP is exposed, the more vulnerable you are, especially if you are one of only a few seeders).
4) Don't worry, think about all these users who have uploaded TBs and realize that even though you upload a lot, you're a very, very small target.

you mean dont use torrent , right?
c'mon lol

[dunson]

sites with anonym modes or that don't let you view the peers are much, much safer.


how is that safer? download .torrent, join swarm, view IP addresses. hiding your name on the site offers no security at all.


edit: you don't even have to download/upload any data to other peers to get a list of IP address on a torrent.

It seems to me that having my name & ip address known to authorities, as well as how much I've uploaded, how long I've been on the torrent, etc. is much more damaging than just joining the swarm and having a list of IP addresses...

@ predateur, I don't know wtf you're talking about...I use torrents according to these guidelines (as much as possible).

[Ali-g]

Ok Ill certainly keep up torrenting... No matter what... And ill keep seeding like crazy like Ive done til now... besides anyone knows any good ISP in Canada(Toronto or Ottawa)? Ive heard the main ISP (Rogers) throttles torrenting very much and u get suck speeds...grrrr

[xbawksz]

the only thing that is safe to download is porn. everything else leaves you at risk so you should exclusively download porn.

[Ali-g]

+1 /\/\/\ hahahah good one ;P

[yayyyyyy]

the only thing that is safe to download is porn. everything else leaves you at risk so you should exclusively download porn.

yeah, porn and linux distributions!

[respawn40]

Gene Simmons wants you to be caught >.>

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080619-gene-simmons-blames-fans-p2p-for-killing-music-industry.html