New trackers.....

[Rumblin]

People need to stop making trackers to get some type of glory.......WE HAVE ENOUGH TRACKERS......now if you wanna make a specialty tracker be my guest (be original).....but please....no more general trackers.....just my 2 cents

[Scavenger]

True. All the new sites are like the others. If you are going to make a site, get this one something special, not like the others, otherwise it will die.

[CPC464]

ok,

i am going to make a tracker that specialises in photos of peoples feet,

just for people with foot fetishes.

i'll let you know when to pm me your pics.

I'm going to call it

feetthe.net

:D:D

[ahcorac72]

ok,

i am going to make a tracker that specialises in photos of peoples feet,

just for people with foot fetishes.

i'll let you know when to pm me your pics.

I'm going to call it

feetthe.net

:D:D


Nice idea :D:D
Will be specialty tracker.
FTTN :lol:

[hitman51]

LMFAO!
yea its getting really annoying...they are posers

[toti]

i am with you man
i hate this

[respawn40]

Instead of people starting new trackers, why can't they help contribute to an already existing tracker; as there are already plenty of (especially 0-Day) trackers. The person would still feel good for helping to contribute something to the tracker, and the tracker would benefit from said contribution,

[Enlightened]

People need to stop making trackers to get some type of glory.......WE HAVE ENOUGH TRACKERS......now if you wanna make a specialty tracker be my guest (be original).....but please....no more general trackers.....just my 2 cents

And then they[ wannabe Trackers] wants to make it a "BIG" secret,,,so that ONLY the "elie" few can join and the Syscop becomes "God"...
then U finally get to see what soo."GREAT" about this SH*T Tracker and guess what?/.....NO FU*KING Leechers...haha :lol::lol::lol:

[Raban]

1000% agree by god NO MORE TRACKERS... there are way way way too many already...

and there are very good ones.... why would you want some brand new junk tracker when there are INCREDIBLE trackers out there...

no more... not even 1 more !

[markupmaster]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:p52vT8dwnZxTPM:http://bp2.blogger.com/_85fniBFIu-o/SBqilUFZAMI/AAAAAAAABmE/tgsiovas4h8/s400/cropped%2Bfeet%2B2.jpg

This is my feet can I plzzz have invite to your new tracker!!!!

:P

That would be a crazy(yet useless) tracker.


:P

[binocular]

That's GODDAMN true! I totally agree with u Rumblin!
@ CPC464
I'm counting the days. :lol:

[nemrac]

People need to stop making trackers to get some type of glory.......WE HAVE ENOUGH TRACKERS......now if you wanna make a specialty tracker be my guest (be original).....but please....no more general trackers.....just my 2 cents

And then they[ wannabe Trackers] wants to make it a "BIG" secret,,,so that ONLY the "elie" few can join and the Syscop becomes "God"...
then U finally get to see what soo."GREAT" about this SH*T Tracker and guess what?/.....NO FU*KING Leechers...haha :lol::lol::lol:


+1

It's always a let down when you get in.

[jayz707]

people start trackers for so many reasons. your thread won't make a deference. but the 'evolution process of the trackers' will make sure only the needed ones will stay alive...

and if some person want to start a tracker just for fun. i see no problem with that :) i mean if you think the tracker is bullshit don't signup! lol thats all.

[Rumblin]

seriously wth is tehsource..........i dont mean to put down i can make a tracker down its just why.....what can you do that others cant?!

[stupidcrab]

I agree.

If you want to make a tracker,be a dedicated tracker rather than general tracker.
We don't need a tracker with nothing special than others.

[bikernin]

while it is understandable that many new trackers are coming up, it is really tiresome to see that none of them have actually sat down to think about it. everyone seems to be opening a 0-day tracker which is not at all a big deal anymore. if you want to start a tracker, start one which is centered around a particular thing and try to create a community in doing so. even people in this thread have been more creative (i.e FTTN) :P

[robyn04]

i would like to respectfuly disagree with you , take for example there are 10 million new broadband connections this year in BRIC nations, and just 5 million of them started using bittorent , so they will need 500 new trackers with a capacity of 10,000 or 250 new trackers with capacity of 20,000. and that is like every year, if new websites are not coming up, do you realy think existing trackers have capacity to absorbs every one of them ?

[bblogs]

Don't be so sure that even a new 0-day tracker has no chance, from what I've seen good management can bring a site to the surface against all the odds.

But yes, creativity is almost certainly needed for a new tracker these days.


there are 10 million new broadband connections this year in BRIC nations, and just 5 million of them started using bittorent

But how many of them use private trackers?
I'd say 80% would use TPB or similar

[Acumen]

Why do you care?

[Rumblin]

Why do you care to post?

[invadercat]

Don't be so sure that even a new 0-day tracker has no chance, from what I've seen good management can bring a site to the surface against all the odds.

But yes, creativity is almost certainly needed for a new tracker these days.


there are 10 million new broadband connections this year in BRIC nations, and just 5 million of them started using bittorent

But how many of them use private trackers?
I'd say 80% would use TPB or similar
yes they might. but what about the users who were using the PB and decides to move to private sites... it happens every day. more people are coming in to private trackers.

[bilkenter]

well guyz, you are right at one thing, we dont need much general trackers. But, in the beginning, it is for me right for the new tracker to follow the steps of big trackers... then make his own packs, so that they can move forward... Also quit deterring new trackers... it is not nice... I admit, it would be freaking awesome for us to unite under 3 or 5 trackers... but that is not case unfortunately. New trackers, shall take example of SCC and for the rumours, SCT... Also PTNs policy is awesome 2... no ratio :D takes time to get used to:) but awesome, you share bec you want to not bec you were forced to share... Anyway in short, there are numerous ways to make a better torrent tracker, For example, i dont know how they get the stuff that we download, but for the original content, money may be collected, with the transperency since we will know where the money goes, i would be glad to donate some money, if i see it is used properly...You need to dedicate both yourself, and your users to the site, so that you can get to the top, to do this, the best way would be to have no ratio system however, there must be some contributions that follow the no ratio system...If he hasnt means to do so, other users shall share their staff with them, be it seedbox or any other thing. People shall get rid of their self-centered ego, so that we can benefit both to the site and other users :) I know they are not original ::)

[StefanSamara]

General trackers are everywhere, we need some diversity

[invadercat]

well guyz, you are right at one thing, we dont need much general trackers. But, in the beginning, it is for me right for the new tracker to follow the steps of big trackers... then make his own packs, so that they can move forward... Also quit deterring new trackers... it is not nice... I admit, it would be freaking awesome for us to unite under 3 or 5 trackers... but that is not case unfortunately. New trackers, shall take example of SCC and for the rumours, SCT... Also PTNs policy is awesome 2... no ratio :D takes time to get used to:) but awesome, you share bec you want to not bec you were forced to share... Anyway in short, there are numerous ways to make a better torrent tracker, For example, i dont know how they get the stuff that we download, but for the original content, money may be collected, with the transperency since we will know where the money goes, i would be glad to donate some money, if i see it is used properly...You need to dedicate both yourself, and your users to the site, so that you can get to the top, to do this, the best way would be to have no ratio system however, there must be some contributions that follow the no ratio system...If he hasnt means to do so, other users shall share their staff with them, be it seedbox or any other thing. People shall get rid of their self-centered ego, so that we can benefit both to the site and other users :) I know they are not original ::)
no ratio is always good! :D

[robyn04]

yes even if majority first time users of bittorrent use public trackers, eventually they are going to migrate to the private trackers, like many of us here on fst, i just think we are just at the initial growth stage of the bittorrent phenomenon , we are going to need hundreds of private bittorrent sites every year, it just a simple suply and demand thingie

[bilkenter]

well i dont think so buddy... I have buffer over 600 gb on the best trackers i use... I wish i can give some away to those who need it... You can do it only on tti but that requires you to seed for a while and it is only 5 gb ! :S i wonder whether i will be able to download this much :D even if i do, what is wrong with sharing it?

[fatcat69]

aww cmon i need my 10000th zero day tracker...

[Polarbear]

it's all a matter of demand and supply. trackers need members. without them they can't survive.

we are at a point where some new trackers literally beg for members. they act like they were rare, secret and elite, but as a matter of fact they are desperately looking for uploaders, contributors or just plain leechers.

like every free market the private tracker scene regulates itself. if you think there are too much trackers stop joining them for god's sake.

as long as people join every new tracker that is advertised here no matter how bad it is, the inflationary development of new trackers will continue.

i think i had at least 15 offers to join new (invite only) trackers during the last six month and i only joined one of them.

better be supportive on the trackers you're on than fail with your own.

be more selective and careful where you join and the amount of useless trackers will be on the decrease.

[bilkenter]

Well, actually if you think about it, most of the trackers are copy of each other... I see one torrent on one site, then it goes to another and another... Also we have a hierarchy of torrents, based on this, it is not hard to infer that most of the level 5 or 6 or whatever torrents are copied from the top... Then level 3 2 copies from 4 5 and so forth... Even if this is not true for some of them, it is true for most in my opinion... well there are also trackers who release their own work, i appreciate their effort though...

[stoi]

You have to think as well, there are a hell of a lot of people that dont even know private trackers exist, ok there are those that hate them as well lol

But if every tracker closes its doors and shuts up shop, then where are the new members going to go that want to get in, or at least to try out a private tracker to see if they like/dislike it.

The big problem is, all trackers that are opening now, only want small userbases, and are not inclined to sift through the dupes, hit and runners, cheats, to find a few new gems in the mix.

Or they ban full countries, just because a lot of them are cheats.

We are discussing banning Brazil and Israel atm, personally i dont want to, as i dont think its correct, but 99.9999% (and thats no exageration) are cheats and just keep creating dupe accounts.

I would rather put a wait time on for new users only, so they have to wait a few days before they can download a torrent, hopefully this will stop them abusing the site in the way they are doing now.

For me, bring new trackers on, if they want to come onto the scene let them, the problem is when they only advertise here, everyone here already knows or is a member of most anyway, they need (doesnt matter how much they hate the idea) upload nulled torrents to mininova, and see the members roll in. but have a lot of crap as well as a few gems.

Edit:

to me trackers that are levels 1-2 are more important than the trackers at 4-10, 4-10 already have their userbase, but members get bored, leave, die, etc etc, where are they going to get new members from if there are no trackers for new members to join.

[Rumblin]

i have been torrenting since suprnova (no idea how long).......and i got on the scene last year around this time when demonoid had down time.....i had no where to go except for isohunt...the black hole of torrenting (public trackers)...anyone who says they knowingly seed 1:1 is a liar....its literally every man for himself out there....people fight tooth and nail for any sort of bandwith....its like a 5th world country....after i got on the scene i first got to revtt then tl then tvt.com and it progressed lada lada lada........my point is that yea there are new users nothing that TL or RevTT or Demonoid who are still to this day EXPANDING....its not like its the big crunch where everyone needs to open up a tracker to get there 15mins of fame or save torrents....trackers and bittorrent arent going anywhere for a long time and as long as the big boys (fl, demonoid, scc, basically large userbased sites) they can handle and actually encourage the flux of new users


and to quote stoi....."We are discussing banning Brazil and Israel atm" i think the fact that there is language barrier promotes non-english speaking users to cheat, trade, or create dupes....which in a sense is understandable but certainly annoying, its probably unfair and inmoral to ban an entire country but garuentee if they knew the language most of them wouldnt resort to such primitive measures

[lolek1]

i think i had at least 15 offers to join new (invite only) trackers during the last six month and i only joined one of them.

Can You tell us which one have You choose? :naughty:

[DKre8ive1]

Stoi has made a very good point in that advertising a site on a public tracker might give you a good start in getting members since back in the day when Suprnova was around some of private trackers back then would up a torrent to it and when a user tried to download it there would be a comment saying that they needed to go to www.nameoftracker.com and sign up and of course the user limit would depend on what the staff of the site in question decided on.

Or the staff could decide to make the torrent in question a freebie and allow the user to download off what ever public tracker and maybe leave a comment like for more torrents like these signup at www.nameoftracker.com before we reach our user limit.

Yes I know the above steps are risky but I think you would gain more from it then posting here since there is already alot of tough competition here on FST and like stoi said most users already have there sites were they get there stuff at.

As for everyone starting trackers I could careless but I wont be signing up to them unless I truly trust the staff, since with all the holes that the different BT sources have it could be a nightmare if a site gets hacked because a hole was not patched and the database is released like it has been done in the past on a few sites.

[stoi]

so why join a tracker if you cant speak the language, its like English speaking members joining, SweDVDr and a few others, and asking here what something means in the rules.

Why??

there are plenty trackers for english speaking people as there is, why join a foreign one.

and if they are foreign, and cant speak English, and there is no tracker in your language, then create one.

One of our admins is from Brazil, he is an excelent member. but having the rules and FAQ translated into 160 different languages just is not possible im afraid.

TL is closed. Demonoid is semi public, SCC is closed, RevTT is closed (you cant say they have invites is open, because its not).

lvl 1-2 trackers are open, but for some reason, as soon as a member from those gets into a lvl4-10 tracker, they forget all about the lvl 1-2. Why?

this is where you should be inviting from, not on here to total strangers, but the lower lvl trackers, if you see someone busting a gut on there, invite them to a lvl 3-4 tracker and so on.

peope dismiss the low lvl trackers, but they are more important than you think, without them, we would be stuck in a rut.

This is what i dont understand about new trackers, only advertising here. like i said, most members from here (and its only 74,000 members and they dont prune accounts, ive still got friends on here from 2002, that have not been seen on here since 2003) all have most trackers, or their fair share anyway, so why would you want another one.

The places to get members is the link sites, i would say a lot of our good members we got from mininova, and they have moved up that list as well to other trackers.

I have just uploaded our 5 best seeded torrents onto mininova. when i do that the comments are, wtf, 800 seeds, damn, they have never seen anything like it on a game lol

and i have to say, that since we opened we have got a few decent members in.

[Rumblin]

"so why join a tracker if you cant speak the language, its like English speaking members joining, SweDVDr and a few others, and asking here what something means in the rules.

Why??"

Lets all be honest........are there many israeli trackers? no, are there good israeli movies? no.

That aside why wouldnt you join an English tracker or for that matter a HQ site? With crappy connections and horrible english to even to attempt to ask for help is a REASON why they are what they are known for. They probably have some dialup crap connection and cheating is almost the ONLY way out for them.....I dont blame them, heck i would if i was in their position

Why do they not create trackers?
1) competition, if its not "rare" people arent going to talk about it, if they dont talk then word doesnt get around
2) whose going to upload HEBREW only torrents and wut type of axx is that? hardly none would be my guess
3) it takes money and a coder to make a decent site
4) the demand is ENGLISH, not hebrew which would make the userbase next to nothing, some of these guys cant even survive on demonoids ratio requirements which is more like for every 1 GB upload 1KB (certainly close to it)

"This is what i dont understand about new trackers, only advertising here. like i said, most members from here (and its only 74,000 members and they dont prune accounts, ive still got friends on here from 2002, that have not been seen on here since 2003) all have most trackers, or their fair share anyway, so why would you want another one."

Fame, glory, a chance to l33t on the internet? Tell us you primary reason why you created a tracker so we can try to see whats the actual logic behind it.

[bilkenter]

oh gosh this is terrible banning countries .. i am sure you have your reasons, but isnt it possible to let some worthy members? I am not brazilian or smt... I just dont like others to judge a country bec of some cheaters. Maybe we can create a place in which people from certain areas can come together and meet with staff or so forth so that they can be accepted as members. If that is possible, I shall emphasize it, i know you have your reasons but...

also admin is right about the foreign language... My friend got polish tracker from someone, i said to him, you cant even read the rules, how will ya use this site? anyway the only reason i can think of to get foreign invites would be to get foreign content for language studies and so forth... otherwise, it is not wise to get polish tracker for example since you cannot even read rules even though it has english forum :S

[stoi]

Well BCG was one of the first trackers, i created it in 2003, albeit a public tracker, we turned private in 2005 (i think)

I did not create it for fame, or recognition, i was sick of going to 20 other places and using kazza at the time as well to get the games i wanted, so thats why i created it.

Bitconsole was about, but we still survived. if i thought back then, well Bitconsole is there, solops is there, why bother, then we would not have BCG now.

Its like we have other trackers in the pipeline, specialist trackers that are linked to BCG (same members), is the fact there is already a lot of trackers putting me off NO. why? because i know we can run a tracker, and a big tracker at that.

OK running a tracker is not easy, but its also not that hard either, same as torrents, if you spend 15 minutes reading the rules and FAQ and ask questions, then you know how to torrent with the best of them, its not brain surgery.

Just look at what happened with Oink, they closed it down and it was like, wtf, where are we going to go for our music now, ok 2 took the place of 1, but for a week or so it was panic stations for a bit lol

all im trying to say is, just because your a member of such and such a tracker, does not mean someone else is a member of any, or even know they exist.

as to your language thing, whats the point in downloading an English language movie if you dont speak English.

and we have SP on BCG, there is no need to bloody cheat, its just greed, not a language barrier.

[Rumblin]

there always subtitles?

i watch arabic movies and i dont even understand it

beats watching a hebrew movie

[stoi]

so upload them onto your Israel tracker then lol

[Rumblin]

lol.....(i win)

that was fun thought really was nice to see what actual tracker making should be like

but making one then and now id say is totally different eh?

[Something Else]

i watch arabic movies and i dont even understand it


:lol: That's just mental.

[stoi]

not really.

Ok how many people throughout the world do you think are a member of a private tracker.

200,000
300,000 and thats pushing it

there are always youngsters coming through the ranks, members that were 9 when i first started are 14 now and just getting into the scene.

what you will find is there are a core of 3000 i would say, that are a member of most trackers, so dont want anymore, well its simple, just dont join them, but the problem is, if you dont, and they turn into a lvl 9 tracker in 5 years, you may regret it, so you have to join them, just incase lol

and its only hard to start a new tracker, if you advertise only on here for new members, upload to mininova etc and your laughing.

I know a tracker that just started not long ago (run by x-staff of BCG) and they already have over 2000 members. when they advertised on here they got 100, uploaded to mininova and they have 2000 in just a few weeks.

so no its not impossible.

[r00t]

I must admit that I also think there is about to be, too many trackers. We could easily be satisfied with half of those that exist now..

[Rumblin]

"what you will find is there are a core of 3000 i would say, that are a member of most trackers, so dont want anymore, well its simple, just dont join them, but the problem is, if you dont, and they turn into a lvl 9 tracker in 5 years, you may regret it, so you have to join them, just incase lol"

story of my life :)

[magushun]

yeah there are already a ton of it. these secret sites, luckily not including my favourite, iTS, are dying...

[jayz707]

not really.

Ok how many people throughout the world do you think are a member of a private tracker.

200,000
300,000 and thats pushing it

there are always youngsters coming through the ranks, members that were 9 when i first started are 14 now and just getting into the scene.

what you will find is there are a core of 3000 i would say, that are a member of most trackers, so dont want anymore, well its simple, just dont join them, but the problem is, if you dont, and they turn into a lvl 9 tracker in 5 years, you may regret it, so you have to join them, just incase lol

and its only hard to start a new tracker, if you advertise only on here for new members, upload to mininova etc and your laughing.

I know a tracker that just started not long ago (run by x-staff of BCG) and they already have over 2000 members. when they advertised on here they got 100, uploaded to mininova and they have 2000 in just a few weeks.

so no its not impossible.
what do you mean upload to mininova? :blink: anyways i think this is a great tip to anyone who is going to start a new tracker :whistling

[stoi]

you get a nulled torrent, so passkey is all 000000000000000000, you then upload it to mininova, but they cant download the contents of that torrent, they get told to come and join XXXXX site.

they then have to come and join your site, to be able to download the contents of that torrent, and any other torrents you have on your site.

hopefully this snags them and they become a good member, other times, and which is more usually the case, they will join, grab 4 downloads, dont seed back, make another account or just cheat and make another account.

but if you have good staff, they are pretty easy to catch, but by that time they have already grabbed 4 new torrents and have them lol

this is why we are thinking about putting a wait time on the tracker, if you have to wait a couple of days to even download the torrent, i doubt your going to bother making dupe accounts.

[BOOM]

We are discussing banning Brazil and Israel atm, personally i dont want to, as i dont think its correct, but 99.9999% (and thats no exageration) are cheats and just keep creating dupe accounts.
I think it happens cuz here, in Brazil, 99.9999% (and thats no exageration):P of game players are childrens/teens...we do not have the habit of play games after we grew up (with some exceptions, obviously).
So, how the internet speeds here sucks, some of that childrens do not have patience for seed for a long time and they prefer to use cheaters programs for increase their ratios ( I do not agree with it. I`m only trying to explain why it happens imo).

[stoi]

so if we ban Brazil from signing up, tough.

honestly the rest of the staff are lets ban Brazil and this has been going on for a year and a half. I am always NO, they have to learn sooner or later.

well a year and a half later they still havnt, and its getting to the stage now, where we may have to ban the whole country, just to save our sanity, its not just 1 or 2 that get in, its 1000`s of them lol (in all honesty this is why we were closed for so long, because of this problem)

[BOOM]

Although I`m bazilian, I agree with this decision (but only if more than 90% are really cheaters) . If bcg brazilian members don`t learned how to behavior within a year and half, then has no more option except ban all. It`s better than harm all other members.

Just an advice, let all br users aware why they are being banned. Only this way they will become conscious of what they are doing.

[bilkenter]

I see that is your judgement, but did they know that brazil was behind the site being down? i mean if they knew, they would stop probably, still it is your judgement, and you probably warned them earlier...

[jayz707]

i watch arabic movies and i dont even understand it


:lol: That's just mental.
why not download the subs? :wacko:


you get a nulled torrent, so passkey is all 000000000000000000, you then upload it to mininova, but they cant download the contents of that torrent, they get told to come and join XXXXX site.

they then have to come and join your site, to be able to download the contents of that torrent, and any other torrents you have on your site.

hopefully this snags them and they become a good member, other times, and which is more usually the case, they will join, grab 4 downloads, dont seed back, make another account or just cheat and make another account.

but if you have good staff, they are pretty easy to catch, but by that time they have already grabbed 4 new torrents and have them lol

this is why we are thinking about putting a wait time on the tracker, if you have to wait a couple of days to even download the torrent, i doubt your going to bother making dupe accounts.
oh ok i get it :) but i wonder how successful this method is... i doubt most of them even know about private trackers and all the ideology behind them...


so if we ban Brazil from signing up, tough.

honestly the rest of the staff are lets ban Brazil and this has been going on for a year and a half. I am always NO, they have to learn sooner or later.

well a year and a half later they still havnt, and its getting to the stage now, where we may have to ban the whole country, just to save our sanity, its not just 1 or 2 that get in, its 1000`s of them lol (in all honesty this is why we were closed for so long, because of this problem)
will banning the country solve the problem? can't they just use a proxy and signup...?

[CPC464]

you get a nulled torrent, so passkey is all 000000000000000000, you then upload it to mininova, but they cant download the contents of that torrent, they get told to come and join XXXXX site.

they then have to come and join your site, to be able to download the contents of that torrent, and any other torrents you have on your site.

hopefully this snags them and they become a good member, other times, and which is more usually the case, they will join, grab 4 downloads, dont seed back, make another account or just cheat and make another account.

but if you have good staff, they are pretty easy to catch, but by that time they have already grabbed 4 new torrents and have them lol

this is why we are thinking about putting a wait time on the tracker, if you have to wait a couple of days to even download the torrent, i doubt your going to bother making dupe accounts.

thats how i got my account at filelist. by having to register there for a torrent i got at mininova. that was in 2005 and i have hardly used a public tracker since. i couldn't belive the speeds of fl compared to public trackers.

Filelist had wait times for new torrents, but my connection was so slow at the time i was better of waiting as couple of days for them than downloading at isohunt mininova etc

[Rumblin]

[quote=benchez;2871024]

:lol: That's just mental.
why not download the subs? :wacko:

Try to find me the subs for ALqrain-Mal Ashaad..........exactly

[puckface]

Don't want em? Don't join em.

[Rumblin]

Don't want em? Don't join em.
thanks for your input

might as welll asked my dog the question.

[sear]

I just want to chime in a bit here. First off I want to repeat something system pointed out to me a while ago that the more new sites the better. We're all a lot safer if there is upteen new sites. It makes it easier to get lost in the crowd. Having three or four big sites makes it that much easier for us to be controlled.

It's up to torrenters to use their judgment on whether to join a new site. I say let them make millions of new sites but I'm only going to join if I feel they can be trusted. There are a few criteria that need to be filled before I'll sign up so just do your research. Find out if there's a reputable crew behind the scenes or if it's run by a bunch of prepubescent almost teenagers, or worse traders :fear2:

Also, stoi asked why join a site where you don't speak the language. I can understand that but sometimes you want the content. For example I joined HHBase when it started up. It's Romanian (i think?) anyway at the time I couldn't understand a word not even the sign up page, but I knew they had a lot of cool hip hop and more importantly graffiti torrents so I was in.

[invadercat]

Don't want em? Don't join em.
:yup: +1.
new trackers == more heads for the hydra ;)