Guide To Avoid Fake Mp3s!

[cborga1985]

Step 1
Click More Search Options
Step 2
Click Artist, then type the name of Artist
Step 3
Click Title type name of song
Step 4
Click Quality, select IS and Click on 192 or whatever you want. You can narrow your results better by setting it on 192 because most files at 192 are real.
Step 5
Set the auto search more for 2 minutes
Step 6
Click search
Step 7
Compare the Lenght of the song by scrolling to the right and Download the one that is between the highest amount of time and lowest. Plus compare the number of users!
Optional
Click Integrity and select Excelent (Useful if you need to norrow results more)

Notice: The more details that you fill in, the results will reduce usually leaving the real files there.
This is what you search should look like:
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/kazaahomepage/search.gif
The guide was corrected and should work better now!

or The other method posted by Gre1

To get the right song all u do is just auto search 5 or 7 times then align your bandwidth from greatest to least by cliking the bandwidth tab then u will see all the ones at the top have plenty of users about 30-1000 with outrageous bandwidth about 3000+ that's the RIAA fucked up songs so just scroll down to a file with about 2-8 users with about 300-400 bandwidth and that's the song and most time they will have 192 quality if you're lucky that's what I do and it never fails me.

[EnJoi]

uh not completely true get David Banner - Like a pimp and u still get the infamous sound

[cborga1985]

Originally posted by EnJoi@15 August 2003 - 20:24
uh not completely true get David Banner - Like a pimp and u still get the infamous sound
I did't say it would work on all mp3's, it works on most. The guide was made for Kazaa Lite K++.

[ghost944]

or you could just use something like winMp3 locator, use an ftp site or a website ;)

[EnJoi]

Originally posted by cborga1985+16 August 2003 - 01:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cborga1985 @ 16 August 2003 - 01:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-EnJoi@15 August 2003 - 20:24
uh not completely true get David Banner - Like a pimp and u still get the infamous sound
I did&#39;t say it would work on all mp3&#39;s, it works on most. The guide was made for Kazaa Lite K++. [/b][/quote]
uh yeah i use kazaaa lite k++ whats that go to do with it ?

[cborga1985]

It was made for Kazaa Lite K++ so other information regarding third party software is not needed&#33;

[Mr. Blunt]

Originally posted by EnJoi@16 August 2003 - 00:24
uh not completely true get David Banner - Like a pimp and u still get the infamous sound
EnJoi is right here.

It don&#39;t matter what quality you search for. Your still going to get fakes. The guide is kinda useless.

[cborga1985]

Originally posted by Mr. Blunt+15 August 2003 - 20:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mr. Blunt &#064; 15 August 2003 - 20:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-EnJoi@16 August 2003 - 00:24
uh not completely true get David Banner - Like a pimp and u still get the infamous sound
EnJoi is right here.

It don&#39;t matter what quality you search for. Your still going to get fakes. The guide is kinda useless. [/b][/quote]
actually it&#39;s not and if you read right it&#39;s not just the quality being changed.

btw is it just me or is it that if someone suggest something in this forum, someone just states negative thoughts and talks about how useless or whatever. It&#39;s the thought that counts. Remember that&#33;

[Bryanhoop]

Why would I ever download a 128kbps song? In my right mind?

[Bryanhoop]

Double the Fun....

[cborga1985]

Originally posted by Bryanhoop@16 August 2003 - 00:22
Why would I ever download a 128kbps song? In my right mind?
It was an example&#33;

[Rocktron]

The best way of avoiding those fakes is: Use Soulseek

Enough said.

[N£MO]

Originally posted by Rocktron@16 August 2003 - 13:31
The best way of avoiding those fakes is: Use Soulseek

Enough said.
You are spot on there. ;)

[Adster]

dammit Rocktron thats exactly what I was gonna say&#33;

[Gre1]

I typed this yesterday but the board messed up and I didn&#39;t want to type again but the most effective way which is about 99.9% for me, to get the right song all u do is just auto search 5 or 7 times then align your bandwidth from greatest to least by cliking the bandwidth tab then u will see all the ones at the top have plenty of users about 30-1000 with outrageous bandwidth about 3000+ that&#39;s the RIAA fucked up songs so just scroll down to a file with about 2-8 users with about 300-400 bandwidth and that&#39;s the song and most time they will have 192 quality if you&#39;re lucky that&#39;s what I do and it never fails me. :ph34r: ;)

[cborga1985]

Originally posted by Gre1@16 August 2003 - 11:21
I typed this yesterday but the board messed up and I didn&#39;t want to type again but the most effective way which is about 99.9% for me, to get the right song all u do is just auto search 5 or 7 times then align your bandwidth from greatest to least by cliking the bandwidth tab then u will see all the ones at the top have plenty of users about 30-1000 with outrageous bandwidth about 3000+ that&#39;s the RIAA fucked up songs so just scroll down to a file with about 2-8 users with about 300-400 bandwidth and that&#39;s the song and most time they will have 192 quality if you&#39;re lucky that&#39;s what I do and it never fails me. :ph34r:&nbsp; ;)
This also works, most of the time I do what I posted though. Also, people we are talking about Kazaa Lite K++. If you want to use SoulSeek or someother p2p software use it but the info on third party software is not needed. This was posted for fans of Kazaa Lite K++, not slow SoulSeek.

Btw I added your method to the guide&#33;

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by cborga1985+16 August 2003 - 19:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cborga1985 @ 16 August 2003 - 19:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Gre1@16 August 2003 - 11:21
I typed this yesterday but the board messed up and I didn&#39;t want to type again but the most effective way which is about 99.9% for me, to get the right song all u do is just auto search 5 or 7 times then align your bandwidth from greatest to least by cliking the bandwidth tab then u will see all the ones at the top have plenty of users about 30-1000 with outrageous bandwidth about 3000+ that&#39;s the RIAA fucked up songs so just scroll down to a file with about 2-8 users with about 300-400 bandwidth and that&#39;s the song and most time they will have 192 quality if you&#39;re lucky that&#39;s what I do and it never fails me. :ph34r:&nbsp; ;)
This also works, most of the time I do what I posted though. Also, people we are talking about Kazaa Lite K++. If you want to use SoulSeek or someother p2p software use it but the info on third party software is not needed. This was posted for fans of Kazaa Lite K++, not slow SoulSeek.

Btw I&#39;ve used SoulSeek, IT&#39;S SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW&#33; [/b][/quote]
Utter Crap in my opinion.
Full, quality, albums ---&#62; SoulSeek
Ppl who are not serious about getting a nice Music Collection,
keep using K Lite ---&#62; keep making these tutorials.
Btw, pretty good tutorial, Thank You.
Obviously i dont have a need for it but im sure someone does. ;)

Cheers:
-GS-

[Gre1]

I have full quality albums on my tracker (http://btrpalace.ath.cx:6969/) but there not from kazaa or soulseek and there not released. :D :P

[cborga1985]

I use K-Lite and I have a nice music collection. It&#39;s called listening to the files and knowing what you are looking for, which is why I made my guide. If follow my guide and the method by Gre1, you will find better results.

Btw I got one cd off SoulSeek and I did&#39;t like the interface and the quality was not any better than Kazaa Lite K++&#39;s. Mp3&#39;s on SoulSeek are usually 192, which I can get off Kazaa Lite K++ with no problem.

[wormless]

wats the address i wanna c wat this site is all bout

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by cborga1985@17 August 2003 - 02:30
Btw I got one cd off SoulSeek and I did&#39;t like the interface and the quality was not any better than Kazaa Lite K++&#39;s. Mp3&#39;s on SoulSeek are usually 192, which I can get off Kazaa Lite K++ with no problem.
Cool. ;)

Cheers:
-GS-

[internet.news]

Most Mp3s I downloaded were at 128 kbps ...
and my audiograbber also rips at this quality.

I will loo out for 192 kbps furthermore :)
but this search window where you can specific information doesn&#39;t it only
exist in original kazaa (yellow)?

thanks anyway, david.

[cborga1985]

Originally posted by internet.news@18 August 2003 - 07:56
Most Mp3s I downloaded were at 128 kbps ...
and my audiograbber also rips at this quality.

I will loo out for 192 kbps furthermore :)
but this search window where you can specific information doesn&#39;t it only
exist in original kazaa (yellow)?

thanks anyway, david.
no it&#39;s in kazaa lite, you have click on audio and then click more search options

[iHadYourMomLastNight]

mp3&#39;s at 160kbs/s are just fine.
you guys are taking up tooooo much space with anything larger&#33; :blink:

[oggy_uk]

Originally posted by Rocktron@16 August 2003 - 12:31
The best way of avoiding those fakes is: Use Soulseek

Enough said.
Where can I get that app?

[iHadYourMomLastNight]

Originally posted by oggy_uk+20 August 2003 - 01:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (oggy_uk @ 20 August 2003 - 01:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rocktron@16 August 2003 - 12:31
The best way of avoiding those fakes is:&nbsp; Use Soulseek

Enough said.
Where can I get that app? [/b][/quote]
Soulseek (http://www.slsk.org/) :blink:
:blink:

[twisterX]

Thanks it workd great ;)

[cosmic doobie]

SoulSeek = Piece Of Crap
------------------------------

TOO many Leechers,
Slow Downloads,
Server always down,
Crashes my machines,
Plastic looking interface,
Queues, Queues and More Queues,
Limited amount of users.


Kazaa & Edonkey still run rings round it for Music if you know what you&#39;re doing B)

[LDeer]

....What the hell are you talking about? I swear, the lengths the thread maker goes to insult SLSK...

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

Originally posted by iHadYourMomLastNight@KaZaa@19 August 2003 - 15:07
mp3&#39;s at 160kbs/s are just fine.
you guys are taking up tooooo much space with anything larger&#33; :blink:
;) I will take a Album at 160 Bitrate or higher...but that is just because I am old and Ears not as good as they use to be.But when Ripping my own shit I do them at 192.

[cosmic doobie]

Originally posted by LDeer@20 August 2003 - 15:10
....What the hell are you talking about?&nbsp; I swear, the lengths the thread maker goes to insult SLSK...
:rolleyes:

Well it&#39;s true - cos i tried it out the past few weeks after loads of folks on here were saying it was the bizzness.
Fraid it doesn&#39;t float my boat for reasons already stated.

Anyhoo this is the K-Lite forum NOT Soul Sux :lol:

Go play on their forum with all of their 20 members :lol: :lol: :lol:

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

Originally posted by cosmic doobie+20 August 2003 - 11:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cosmic doobie @ 20 August 2003 - 11:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-LDeer@20 August 2003 - 15:10
....What the hell are you talking about? I swear, the lengths the thread maker goes to insult SLSK...
:rolleyes:

Well it&#39;s true - cos i tried it out the past few weeks after loads of folks on here were saying it was the bizzness.
Fraid it doesn&#39;t float my boat for reasons already stated.

Anyhoo this is the K-Lite forum NOT Soul Sux :lol:

Go play on their forum with all of their 20 members :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
;) Man...when are People going to realize this is a Peer - to - Peer Community.Just because the Developers of a Certain Program or whatever hang here does not mean that is what this place is all about.

[cosmic doobie]

It says K-Lite Board on MY browser header :P

[cosmic doobie]

I don&#39;t wanna hear anymore about Arse Soul Sux

CASE CLOSED &#33; :P

[cborga1985]

Guide was made for Kazaa Lite K++ but if you want to use SoulSeek go right ahead and do so. I&#39;ve been using SoulSeekand now I realize it is a good program when get users to add you on their list. The only thing, it is slow sometimes&#33; SoulSeek users if you want to use SoulSeek go ahead but don&#39;t insult the K-Lite community for sticking with Kazaa Lite K++. I only only said bad things about SoulSeek before because I felt offended because I use Kazaa Lite K++ and no problem getting full albums on there, I just posted my method of avoiding fakes because it works for me.

[Muse]

More ways to avoid the fakes:

Use the IP blocker Tool and keep it updated with the K-Lite list. So don&#39;t check "Update from the Peerguardian IP Database"

All RIAA fakefiles distributors are located in the US. So use Kazupernodes to stay away from Supernodes in the US.

Don&#39;t use the Search More because that may bring you back in contact with a US supernode

Don&#39;t use the Accelerator for the same reason.

Maybe this can be added to the guide?

[Aimless6]

An other way to sort out the screachy songs.

- search for 10-30 results and only the quality of you choice.
- pick a file with not to much users with bandwith 1000+
- close K++ and open K-dat
- delete users with 10-100+ MB/s bandwith.
- restart K++

Now users that share music at extremely high speeds have been filtered out.

[TikTak]

Everyone getting on ok now.... wow i had a good laugh reading
through the last 3 pages.... SO funny.... :lol: :lol: :lol: newayz imma try
soulseek sounds crappy tho... and what ive seen of it on my mates pc looks
crappy too.... downloads way slower than me and hes on 2 meg ADSL compared
to my smelly cable.... but he seems to get on fine with a combo of soul, K lite
and... dare i say imesh lolol :blink:


and its true whatever someone was on about... dling at 192 uses up space a lil bit
to much.... only doing it coz i have too not like u notice the difference in quality...
unless its one of those ppl holding a microphone to the TV speakers lololo <_< ...
and personally think the help given so far has helped... not 100% effective but
better than dling the the dame song 20 times or waiting all day coz its got like
-400 bandwidth :lol:

[TalonKarrde]

I ran into these problems getting some Iron Maiden songs, and I noticed that there were the same results in most everything, and no matter how many users, the bandwidth was always 1045. So if you see alot of people running at this bandwidth, it&#39;s probably some RIAA drone machines.

[Gre1]

That&#39;s what I said already 3906 is the max bandwidth u will see If u have auto search more selected it will continuing searching till it gets more users then u will see the bandwidth get to that number.

[toast]

I&#39;m not sure if this has been mentioned but I found that higher quality mp3s were good (ie 192). The 128 ones tended to be the bad ones and usually had the highest number of sources.

Also, I always look for files with tags on them that look like they are from a warez distributer; like (tmp for movies files ect)

So it might look like:

track #- artist - album - song title - tag

or something similiar, in lower case.

Hope that makes sense, and helps.

-toast

[MUSLEMAN]

i find the best thing to do about this whole business is to use ilw&#39;s program kc checker (http://www.geocities.com/ian_l_williams/)

[Gre1]

Originally posted by toast@22 September 2003 - 07:07
I&#39;m not sure if this has been mentioned but I found that higher quality mp3s were good (ie 192). The 128 ones tended to be the bad ones and usually had the highest number of sources.

Also, I always look for files with tags on them that look like they are from a warez distributer; like (tmp for movies files ect)

So it might look like:

track #- artist - album - song title - tag

or something similiar, in lower case.

Hope that makes sense, and helps.

-toast
The quality has nothing to do with it they mostly have 192 quality songs with the shreech but about the groups that release music that can be true about 6/10 of those songs written like that are correct.

[WiSE]

if i&#39;m not in wrong, corrupted mp3s are usually made altering the file hex (replacing some original part with "00") so the file size of the corrupted mp3 will be the same of the original but the CRC will be different. Does kazaa do a CRC (or similar) check before downloading a file to prevent corrupted sources?

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[mogadishu]

Originally posted by WiSE@23 September 2003 - 12:42
if i&#39;m not in wrong, corrupted mp3s are usually made altering the file hex (replacing some original part with "00") so the file size of the corrupted mp3 will be the same of the original but the CRC will be different. Does kazaa do a CRC (or similar) check before downloading a file to prevent corrupted sources?

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in order to do such a check, wouldnt they have to download the file first?

[WiSE]

Originally posted by mogadishu+23 September 2003 - 19:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mogadishu @ 23 September 2003 - 19:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-WiSE@23 September 2003 - 12:42
if i&#39;m not in wrong, corrupted mp3s are usually made altering the file hex (replacing some original part with "00") so the file size of the corrupted mp3 will be the same of the original but the CRC will be different. Does kazaa do a CRC (or similar) check before downloading a file to prevent corrupted sources?

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in order to do such a check, wouldnt they have to download the file first? [/b][/quote]
the client that share the file should do the CRC check and then send the result to the client that is downloading the file.
For example: the client A starts downloading a file from client B, client B do a CRC check on the file requested and send it to client A (assume that it is "B6CA7D38"), client A will then accept only sources that sends a file with the same CRC ("B6CA7D38"). Sources that are sharing corrupted files (that have a different CRC for example "B9FA3C64") won&#39;t be added to the download sources of client A. Other P2P programs, such as WinMX, do this check

[Andrex]

http://www.divxland.org/images/FakesDetect.gif

The following are typical characteristics of fake/unwanted music files.

1. The amount of users with the same copy is extremely big.

2. The file name or title name contains numbers like (1) or whatever between ().

3. The length/file size is too big (or too small) compared with normal songs, witht the rest of the files, and/or the lenght you suppose it may have.

4. The same user is repeatedly sharing copies of the same file (typically with altered names)

5. The length/file size of supposed copies of the same file differs from user to user.

6. The bandwidth of the file is extremely big compared to the rest. The download is really fast (if you reach a stable 9-10 Kbps with a56 K modem, this is a fake for sure).

6. When downloading a file, you notice it is restarted at some point (rare).

Well that&#39;s all for know. And I think it is enough to start avoiding fakes. ;)

[nikita69]

Good tip, another way to avoid fake MP3s.

[Gre1]

It&#39;s the same tip as ours just with a diagram. I like that diagram now people will understand more clearly.

[DarkReality]

Perhaps the only real way to avoid fake mp3s is to use a CD ripper, rather than a p2p program, to get them. I don&#39;t mean to sound like a wiseass, but for me, getting songs off K++ using any method is futile, unless I&#39;m looking for a specific song and have the time to filter through fakes.

I buy CDs as they come out that I like and as I can afford them (no offense to those who don&#39;t) and rip them with the confidence that they&#39;ll be perfect, because firstly I didn&#39;t download each from a different user, secondly they weren&#39;t downloaded in chunks or fragments, and third, because I set all the options myself.

When I go places I take my Laptop and rip CDs other people have, and burn CDs for them in return or burn data CDs filled with mp3s for their digital collection.

*ducks pies and flames*

[Gre1]

I can&#39;t wait on cd&#39;s I want to come out in stores so I download them.

[fallenknight308]

Originally posted by cosmic doobie@20 August 2003 - 07:01
SoulSeek = Piece Of Crap
------------------------------

TOO many Leechers,
Slow Downloads,
Server always down,
Crashes my machines,
Plastic looking interface,
Queues, Queues and More Queues,
Limited amount of users.


Kazaa & Edonkey still run rings round it for Music if you know what you&#39;re doing B)
Or you can try WinMX :x
Oh, and by the way, mp3&#39;s will never sound as good to my ears as a "real" cd
as I am a musician and have perfect pitch.
(yes, yes, I know: conversion removes the frequencys that we can&#39;t hear, blah blah blah, but I CAN tell. This is why I use p2p for rare music I cannot find, or don&#39;t have already. Plus piracy is fun :ph34r: )

[Gre1]

Most .mp3s are ripped from a cd and all originals aren&#39;t even 192k I had a cd with 128k

[Andrex]

There is an update to the fakes detection procedure:

http://www.divxland.org/temp/fakesv2.gif

- A copy of the same file has the same exact name in all the sources.
- The names of all users with the file are stupid names, and all of them end with "@KaZaA".

They&#39;ll have to make a bigger effort to trick me with fakes. I&#39;m prepared for everything. :angry:

[Smurfette]

Originally posted by Gre1@8 October 2003 - 16:21
Most .mp3s are ripped from a cd and all originals aren&#39;t even 192k I had a cd with 128k
Eh? Nearly 3,000 posts and you don&#39;t have the slightest clue?

[Johnny_B]

Originally posted by fallenknight308@4 October 2003 - 07:28
Oh, and by the way, mp3&#39;s will never sound as good to my ears as a "real" cd
as I am a musician and have perfect pitch.
(yes, yes, I know: conversion removes the frequencys that we can&#39;t hear, blah blah blah, but I CAN tell. This is why I use p2p for rare music I cannot find, or don&#39;t have already. Plus piracy is fun :ph34r: )
You obviously haven&#39;t listened to an mp3 ripped with Lame&#39;s --alt-preset standard method. The sound is transparent. If you can tell the difference from those, then you are Superman. :o

Anyway, this is a good guide. The only thing that should be changed is step 4.
The quality should be set to &#39;AT LEAST&#39; 192 instead of &#39;IS&#39; 192. This will ensure that higher bitrates (which are rarely fakes too) will also be included in the search results.

[Switeck]

If you REALLY give a shit about killing off fake sources, you&#39;ll have to HUNT THEM DOWN and kill them. :P

Well, figuratively anyway...

Use K-Dat to locate their ip address.
It won&#39;t take long on some of these 100+ source download DATs to see a pattern.

When I did it, I found the VAST majority of fake sources were in the 38.118.0.0-38.119.255.255 ip range.

So add the 38.118.0.0-38.119.255.255 ip range to the BannedIpRanges.txt that KL++ uses&#33;

THEN, keep looking for MORE patterns in the data -- maybe we can sniff out their secondary fake music MP3 servers. Then we can BLOCK those too&#33; After enough of us do it, we&#39;ll only get bad files indirectly -- which may be an acceptable level compaired to what we have now&#33;

[nikita69]

@Switeck - I suggested a while back to pin a topic with excatly what u said. users would follow these steps, and report back their data to be confirmed/tested. Yet I didn&#39;t get any response.

If ud like we can try again and between u and I we would maintain it. :)

[dingdongding]

anyone is welcome to check out the pg forum http://www.peerguardian.net/
where we track down fake file ranges etc- there&#39;s also a bit about the easiest way to track them in the guide to submitting ips which is in my sig line- the forum requires registration but it&#39;s worth it

[Formula1]

you can also add usernames to your filter list in &#39;my options&#39; which may help avoid fakes, isnt much but better than nuthing lol

[nikita69]

Originally posted by dingdongding@3 November 2003 - 06:36
anyone is welcome to check out the pg forum http://www.peerguardian.net/
where we track down fake file ranges etc- there&#39;s also a bit about the easiest way to track them in the guide to submitting ips which is in my sig line- the forum requires registration but it&#39;s worth it
do u have direct link to the guide? i didn&#39;t find it.

[dingdongding]

(it&#39;s in my sig line)

there&#39;s a simple fake file section- the only obsolete part is i list fasttrackmovies as a source that lists fake movie file sizes to refer to but ppl are always reporting fake file sizes in forums - also that&#39;s not necessary for music files- just search the newest releases and you&#39;ll find fake ones all over- i just updated the fake file section there with this kinda stuff so it should be pretty straightforward- let me know if there&#39;s anythign i left out

guide to submitting and reporting ip ranges
http://www.peerguardian.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=114

[nikita69]

I believe u meant this link "http://www.peerguardian.net/forums/index.php?s= 1aab5b2b353055a1c9904f56274d217f&showtopic=141" without the quote and the space in between. i got below when clicked on ur link. aw, i&#39;ll read the topics. thx. :)


Not Found
The requested URL /forums/index.p...p was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

[Andrex]

Strange, I don&#39;t have any blocked IP&#39;s updater in the Kazaa folder. Do I have to write this application, or does it exists already? I hate doing manually stuff that can be done automatically.

[gator]

Originally posted by Switeck@18 October 2003 - 04:07
It won&#39;t take long on some of these 100+ source download DATs to see a pattern. When I did it, I found the VAST majority of fake sources were in the 38.118.0.0-38.119.255.255 ip range.
NetRange: 38.112.0.0 - 38.119.255.255
Performance Systems International Inc.
1015 31st Street, NW
Washington, DC

[dingdongding]

yeah psi, cogent ,nhi networks etc are known fake file hosts in addition to the known fake files companies overpeer, mediadefender etc- the kicker is that we can&#39;t always submit the huge whois ranges to the pg db coz a lot of ppl import the ips into their firewalls instead of using the pg prog or k++ blocker (and those companies are involved in web site hosting so it messes with web browsing)

also the k++ and pg db lists are not identical in terms of the ranges- alot of bogus ranges have been taken out of the pg db that remaain in a lot of other ip lists- also the pg db is only online from 1-5 am gmt (8pm-12 am est) and the normal lists aren&#39;t updated on a daily basis so there&#39;s a lag time (they were just updated nov 1) i keep a daily updated list at the pg forum http://www.peerguardian.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=682

[Teh_Sexy]

ummmmm cborga1985 ...............
all the 192 files i attempt to d/l off of kazaa are fakes.....
face it peeps if u want anything new u better pack a lunch for the long ass wait ....
i seen sum good ways to spot this shit like lookin for high bandwidth .... sounds like it would work but the lot of the rest are a crock.... i seen fakes on aol connections and dsl and cable connections.. see why i said the bandwidth thing might work .... ? ...... not to be a prick here but these methods are a shot in the dark really O_O

nad just because u have kazaa lite kpp dosnt mean u wont get a fake cuzz i got several on reg kazaa and kazaa lite (the latest out from here)....
i thought even gettin a new p2p proggie would work since i thought maby the riaa aint worried bout that one yet.....guese what...... still didnt work..... im finding that these ppl are not only going after kazaa .... there are using kazaa as an example (since it&#39;s the bigest) and just fuckin other p2p&#39;s up at the same time... i thought it was only kazaa ......


***sigh***


i dont really see having a fake file section being any help either..............

Remember PAUL & VB ? the virus section and how out of controll it got...... lmfao
this will only be the same way..... somebody tell me... would you shift through 2 or 3 hundred or how bout a thousand fake file posts to find one song u want ? shit i know right now i would never waste that much time.............
i been lookin for this focus remix for three weeks now and not a good verision yet .... thats off kazaa / emule / shareaza / soul seek / and ares.... still no luck....

[Teh_Sexy]

the only good thing i see workin would be if u knew sumone off of here with it , get on soul seek and get it off of them .....








***just my two penny&#39;s***

[Gre1]

Originally posted by Teh_Sexy@4 November 2003 - 21:23
ummmmm cborga1985 ...............
all the 192 files i attempt to d/l off of kazaa are fakes.....
face it peeps if u want anything new u better pack a lunch for the long ass wait ....
i seen sum good ways to spot this shit like lookin for high bandwidth .... sounds like it would work but the lot of the rest are a crock.... i seen fakes on aol connections and dsl and cable connections.. see why i said the bandwidth thing might work .... ? ...... not to be a prick here but these methods are a shot in the dark really O_O

nad just because u have kazaa lite kpp dosnt mean u wont get a fake cuzz i got several on reg kazaa and kazaa lite (the latest out from here)....
i thought even gettin a new p2p proggie would work since i thought maby the riaa aint worried bout that one yet.....guese what...... still didnt work..... im finding that these ppl are not only going after kazaa .... there are using kazaa as an example (since it&#39;s the bigest) and just fuckin other p2p&#39;s up at the same time... i thought it was only kazaa ......


***sigh***


i dont really see having a fake file section being any help either..............

Remember PAUL & VB ? the virus section and how out of controll it got...... lmfao
this will only be the same way..... somebody tell me... would you shift through 2 or 3 hundred or how bout a thousand fake file posts to find one song u want ? shit i know right now i would never waste that much time.............
i been lookin for this focus remix for three weeks now and not a good verision yet .... thats off kazaa / emule / shareaza / soul seek / and ares.... still no luck....
U must not be doing what i said because I download music alot to make mix cds and I never get the screech.

[Teh_Sexy]

Gre1 Posted on 5 November 2003 - 03:18
U must not be doing what i said because I download music alot to make mix cds and I never get the screech.


dude not gettin pissy and all here....

but im no dumb ass i know how to read ...........
i dun tryed that shit ... i been tryin for three weeks now with that focus remix.....
and im no noob either <<dont pay any attion to that damn post count i been here befor alot>> <<shit i was a serious reg here>>
and i only d/l 192 no crap 128.... i yell at mom for gettin 128 i always tell here it not the same there is a big difference... she never see&#39;s it my way.. **SIGH**

but like i said thats my two pennies

[dingdongding]

i have no problem tracking down the major fake file distributors (not the poor shmuck that has some fake files) and submitting the ranges to the peerguardian database- it works for me when i&#39;m looking for new music- you just need to cancel the dl once pg starts rejecting the connection or the blocked connections will continue forever

so there already is a system in place to to track them and it works

nothing wrong with more ppl getting involved

ddd

[Teh_Sexy]

tru got ya


but like i said just my two pennies

[Switeck]

Originally posted by dingdongding@4 November 2003 - 19:57
yeah psi, cogent ,nhi networks etc are known fake file hosts in addition to the known fake files companies overpeer, mediadefender etc- the kicker is that we can&#39;t always submit the huge whois ranges to the pg db coz a lot of ppl import the ips into their firewalls instead of using the pg prog or k++ blocker (and those companies are involved in web site hosting so it messes with web browsing)
These are the ips for the fake MP3 files I got in a short DAT test. I searched for a couple commonly faked MP3s and used K-Dat to read their ip sources. A longer search using better methods woud yield a probably more precise range.

38.118.139.143
38.118.139.145
38.118.139.218
38.118.150.135
38.118.150.136
38.118.150.138
38.118.150.141
38.118.150.146
38.118.151.8
38.118.154.4
38.118.155.24
38.118.156.10
38.118.156.72
38.118.156.84
38.118.156.88
38.118.156.13
38.118.156.130
38.118.156.135
38.118.156.143
38.118.160.2
38.118.161.68
38.118.161.73
38.118.163.206
38.118.163.218
38.119.64.9
38.119.64.11
38.119.64.21
38.119.64.68
38.119.64.83
38.119.64.87
38.119.64.88
38.119.64.90

[dingdongding]

yeah i think i got similar results when i tested it

here are the current ranges in the pg db for psi 38.xx etc (the 2nd one i submitted a ways back)

Performance Systems International (Hash-Exploiter On KaZaA) fake files:38.118.1.1-38.118.255.255
fake file company (host is psi.net):38.119.0.0-38.119.64.161

i&#39;m gonna go on a tear later and see what other ranges are being used that aren&#39;t in the pg db- on some newer music releases etc

[dingdongding]

i&#39;ve got two new test ranges for fake files (test ranges coz they&#39;re big and need to narrow them down: 4095 and 8191 ips respectively)

test fake files:216.144.224.0-216.144.239.255
test fake file: 66.117.0.0-66.117.31.255

and i got a hit from a psi ip that&#39;s not currently covered by the pg db 38.144.197.87 so i need to do more work there

this is the kinda stuff i&#39;m doin over at the pg forum- so i won&#39;t always post it here but it ends up in the pg db

later,

ddd

[cosmic doobie]

Can someone make sure they send Paul in admin a list of these new I.P&#39;s sharing Faked files so they can be added to the K-Lite Bad IP list.

[dingdongding]

those test ranges i posted earlier shouldn&#39;t go in they&#39;re too big- we have more accurate ranges for those and others as well over at the pg forum...

i&#39;m pretty sure paul goes by the pg db list -not sure how often it&#39;s updated though- i&#39;ve suggested that they stick with the pg db list (just the pg db list since it&#39;s constantly being edited) to make life a little easier but not sure that got heard

the other problem is that the pg db isn&#39;t up full time but we have a daily list posted as a sticky in the db discussion forum secton (pg forum)

later,

ddd