Which PC to buy?

[Ali-g]

Ok Im now thinking of buying a new affordable PC
I got the 2 options below:

PC 1
Motherboard: ASUS P5G-MX
Chipset: Intel 9456C
Processor: Intel Pentium DUAL CORE 2.0 Ghz E2180
FSB: 1066 / 800 MHz
Memory RAM: 2048 MB DDR2 (2 GB)
Hard Drive: 250 GB, 7200 RPM
Graphics Onboard: 256 MB Shared Memory
Audio: On Board Sound Card
Networking: Integrated 10/100 Network Card
Optical Drive: DVD-Writer
Keyboard: Standard Keyboard
Mouse: Optical Mouse
Monitor: LCD 19"

PC 2
Processor: Intel Pentium DUAL CORE 1.8 Ghz E2160
Memory RAM: 1024 MB DDR2 (1 GB)
Hard Drive: 160 GB, 7200 RPM
Graphics Onboard: 512 MB GF8400GS Super DDR2
Audio: On Board Sound Card
Optical Drive: DVD-Writer
Keyboard: Agis PS2 Multimedia
Mouse: Agis Optical Mouse PS2
Monitor: Agis LCD 19"

+ Genius Headphone and Microphone
+ Pen Drive 2 GB
+ Sweex Webcam Nightvision
FREE (Which I dont really need)

The price is almost the same (400 Euros) and u can also add/remove parts so if u have a suggestion make it : )

[Detale]

How much??

[IdolEyes787]

What OS are you planning on running and what's the intended use?
Also where from?

[kooftspc11]

within those two choices....you are sacrificing quite a bit just for that video card.

are you buying this pre-packaged?

[Ali-g]

Ok the PC would cost at 400 Euros which would mean 600 $ (I guess, Im from Europe)

The PC is intended mostly to work on projects on an AutoCAD-like program called Microstation (I also may play a lil this summer :P)

And this is pre-packaged, but u can add things. For ex. at PC 1 with another 29 Euros u could get a 512 MB HYPER MEMORY (256 MB) ASUS PCI EXPRESS. ATI X1050, DDR, 128BIT while on PC 2 with some money (IDK how much) u can get another 1 GB RAM

The thing Id want to know is: Is there any big difference btw shared memory card, hyper memory, and GF8400 GS...? Cuz when it comes to RAM its all about numbers but when its about graphics I really get stuck so many things to take in count

SO WHICH ONE WOULD U CHOOSE? (I also added MotherBoard and FSB on PC 2)

[kooftspc11]

i would definitely go with the first one. you can always upgrade a video card later on if you decide you need it.....for autocad kinda stuff im guessing you probably will

[Detale]

$600 US right? well here how about these. I'm sure some of the parts will be better Like the PSU and the Ram. I just did this quickly but you can tune it to fit your needs/budget. These prices are from Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/), does NE ship to wherever you are if not TigerDirect (http://www.tigerdirect.com/) is about the same price and I do think they ship everywhere.

Here goes:

GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813128337) $89.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819115029) $177.99

ASUS GeForce 8500 GT EN8500GT TOP/HTP/256M (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814121094) $69.99

Patriot 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820220174) $43.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822148262) $59.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817139004) $99.99

Grand Total:$536.94

This leaves you with around $65 to get a halfway decent Case nothing special but as good if not better than you would get with your current selections. Either way homeboy Good Luck

[Ali-g]

Thanx for the heads up detale...
But I need u to dedicate me another little of ur time and possibly clarify me in some points. Ive never done online shopping so...

1st: How much would shipment cost to Europe and after how many days will it arrive?

2nd: U posted me various pieces... only problem is as Im new to this IDK how to put together/install the pieces... so if these pieces come one by one can u address me to somewhere where they sell whole PCs (and u jst choose the specs kind-of)

3rd: emmm did u possibly forget the video card and monitor (monitor would cost like 169 Euros or around 250 $ :S

Thank you, Im really a newbie in this kind of problems.

[kooftspc11]

i dont think newegg ships to europe
(http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../../newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2885605)

[Detale]

@ Kooft Your link is broken but you are right my man


Does Newegg.com ship internationally?

Newegg.com does not currently ship internationally; we only deliver to locations within the United States and to Puerto Rico.


:( , But...



Does TigerDirect.com ship internationally? (http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/help/faq3.asp#)

Yes. TigerDirect.com does ship internationally via UPS World Wide.


Yeah!!


OK back on topic Ali Dude I know you can do it It really is quite easy and you will save a bunch of money. Start reading now man Everything you EVER wanted to leard is right here at your fingertips. Honestly I can find more than a few tutorials on how to build your own PC. Everything basically screws together in its respective place. You know what we do need a good tut here on FST maybe I can DARE Clocker to write one if he has time and we can get it stickied :) . The only thing which is a little nerve racking the first time is installing the CPU but even that is easy as long as you follow directions to a T. Otherwise I am sure because you are a member here you would have no problems "aquiring" a copy of XP right? I will give you a quick rundown in a few steps now and if no one else wants to write a tutorial then I will in a day or so.


Get all items needed


Install Power supply in the case



Install the CPU( carefully) add thermal grease and throw the white goop away


Install the CPU heatsink by snaping it in the appropriate holes and pluging in the Cpy fan where it says CPU fan on your MoBo


Get the backplate from the MoBo box and snap it in to the case after removing the one that comes on it.


Install the Mobo into the case using the provided screws (make sure to use those red washers)


Gently install your ram and video card( follow Video card directions)


Screw in the Hard drive and DVD drive where they go



Plug in all data and power cables and check them twice :)


Plug in the power switch, HDD light, and reset button on the correct pins on your Mobo ( read the manual for the MoBo)


Ummmmmm I think thats it



Start that bitch Up 9/10 it will start right up and go into Bios, set the date and time put Your copy of windows or whatever OS you like in the DVD drive restart and install the Operating System. I know this may seem like alot but believe me once you do it you will never look back. and say "shit that was easy" If you still feel uncomfortabe Try Tiger for some pre assembled and there are a few others out there but since I don't buy like that I couldn't recommend a good one.



Also there are many many ways to build a PC not exactly in this order I can't even honestly say what order I build in so don't nit pick you fuckers! :P

[Ali-g]

Thank u for helping me out mate, It is very appreciated : )
I think I found a good tutorial here: http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/ (it looks like a lot :P)
Anyway could u possibly answer my other question?
3rd: emmm did u possibly forget the video card and monitor (monitor would cost like 169 Euros or around 250 $ :S)
Cuz if it goes around the same price Im not that keen on shopping online and/or getting together the pieces (always on the same price)

[kooftspc11]

detale is right. if you have any desire to put together your own pc you should give it a try. its actually much much easier than it may seem. once you have all the parts you will pretty much know where they go...like putting together a puzzle.

and yes....if you do your own build you will NEVER look back :)

monitor is purely a matter of preference imo but if you want to do design on your pc you should look into a more high-end video card. im not saying a gx2 or gt280 but something that you wont want to switch out later just to buy what you should have bought in the first place. i dont know what types of cards are good for autocad-ish stuff but my recommendation (no surprise here) is 8800gt

if money is a factor then let us know and somebody will recommend something more suitable.

[Ali-g]

Yep money is a factor :P (if I got what detale told me + got a 250 % monitor it would go around 850$) I actually wanna spend around 600-700$

I got some new offers by the way tell me what u think:

MotherBoard:FOXCONN 945PL7AE-KS2H
Processor Socket: LGA775 socket supports Intel Core 2 Duo (E4xxx), P4, P 4PXE, P D, Celeron D
Processor: Dual Core E2200 2.2 GHz LGA 775 1MB/800 MHz
Chipset: Intel 945PL + ICH7
FSB: 533 / 800 MHz
Main Memory: 2 x 1 GB DDRAM II 667 MHz, Dual Channel 2xDDR2 533/400 (max 2 GB)
Hard Drive: 160 GB 7200 rpm 8MB, SATA, 1 x ATA 100, 4 x SATA II
Graphics: XP Vision PCI Express 256 MB, GF7330GT Sonc, DDR3, 128 bit
Device Storage: DVD Writer
Audio: 5.1 Channel, Realtek ALC 653 Ac'97
Networking: PCIe GbE LAN, Realtek 8111B
Expansion Slots: 1 x PCIe x16, 2 x PCIe x1, 3 x PCI
I/O Interfce: 1 x PS/2 Keyboard, 1 x PS/2 Mouse, 1 x parallel, 1 x COM 1, 3 x USB2.0, 1 x coaxS/PDIF
Modem: 56 KBps
Case: DLC-MT372 Power 450 W
MONITOR: LG Monitor 19" :CD L1919S-SF

TOTAL: 505 Euros (around 750 $)



MotherBoard:FOXCONN P35AX-S
Processor Socket: LGA775 socket supports Intel Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Extreme, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core, Pentium D, Pentium 4, Celeron
Processor: Dual Core E2200 2.2 GHz LGA 775 1MB/800 MHz
Chipset: Intel P35 / ICH9
FSB: 1333 / 1066 / 800 MHz
Main Memory: 2 GB DDRAM II 667 MHz, Dual Channel DDR2 1066/800/667 (max 4 GB)
Hard Drive: 350 GB 7200 rpm 8MB, SATA, ATA x 1, SATA II x 4, eSATA x 1
Graphics: PCI Express 512 MB, GF8500GT, DDR2, 128 bit
Device Storage: DVD Writer
Audio: 7.1 Channel, Realtek ALC888
Networking: GbE LAN, Realtek 8110SCB
Expansion Slots: 2 x PCIe x16, 1 x PCIe x1, 3 x PCI
I/O Interfce: 1 x PS/2 Keyboard, 1 x PS/2 Mouse, 1 x parallel, 1 x COM 1, 4 x USB2.0, 1 x coaxS/PDIF
Modem: 56 Kbps
Case: M-619 Power 550W
MONITOR: LG Monitor 19" :CD L1919S-SF

TOTAL: 577 Euros (around 850$)



(I know little about this one)

Processor: Dual Core E2180 2.0 GHz LGA 775 1MB/800 MHz
Chipset: Intel P35 / ICH9
Main Memory: 2 GB DDRAM II 667 MHz
Hard Drive: 160 GB 7200 rpm
Graphics: VGA 128MB / 512MB shared (I didnt understand this very good)
Device Storage: DVD Writer
MONITOR: LG Monitor 19" :CD L1919S-SF

TOTAL: 436 Euros (around 650$)

[Acid_death69]

ali where abouts do you live in europe?

[Ali-g]

Albania... back to the question... any thoughts?

[maverick_andy]

Recently I upgraded my CPU, which cost

Intel C2D E4600 120 $
MOBO, ASUS P5E VM DO onboard 384 MB shared grafix card 182 $
Transcend 2 DIMM DDR2 RAM 45 $
Cabinet 27 $
HDD Hitachi 250GB 49 $

TOTAL 423 $ :D

[Detale]

Thanx for the heads up detale...
But I need u to dedicate me another little of ur time and possibly clarify me in some points. Ive never done online shopping so...

1st: How much would shipment cost to Europe and after how many days will it arrive?

2nd: U posted me various pieces... only problem is as Im new to this IDK how to put together/install the pieces... so if these pieces come one by one can u address me to somewhere where they sell whole PCs (and u jst choose the specs kind-of)

3rd: emmm did u possibly forget the video card and monitor (monitor would cost like 169 Euros or around 250 $ :S

Thank you, Im really a newbie in this kind of problems.


ASUS GeForce 8500 GT EN8500GT TOP/HTP/256M (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814121094) $69.99

This is the video card homie.

What other questions? I would say keep your current monitor until you save up enough money to get one you really like. I'll take a look at the computers you have and let you know which I think is the best for the dough.

[lopezfd]

Go for the first one.

1gb RAM is terrible ;)

[kooftspc11]

ASUS GeForce 8500 GT EN8500GT TOP/HTP/256M (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814121094) $69.99
This is the video card homie.

What other questions? I would say keep your current monitor until you save up enough money to get one you really like. I'll take a look at the computers you have and let you know which I think is the best for the dough.

it looks like his video card is actually the 512mb one.

i agree with the monitor though. it's better just to wait until you find one you are really going to be happy with for a few years. a 24" would be nice if you are ever going to be interested in watching hi-def. they are still pretty expensive right now though $~500usd (i think)

[Detale]

Exactly and for a few bucks more you might as well get a HDTV 24"

[onlinetragedy]

do yourself a favor and goto ibuypower.com
at least you get a decent vid card

or even better newegg/tigerdirect/ebay and BUILD

[kooftspc11]

you still havent told us whether or not you'd be willing to build your own

[MEDBEDb]

go to global.ebay.com ;P
and id replace the pc with a good mac :P
still aint got that much money :))

[rtxs]

I think to work in autocad the best option would be the first

[silent h3ro]

You want a cheap video card? I'm selling my old 7900 GTO on eBay... :P