do i need a seedbox on this tracker?

[Polarbear]

this is a messge to all people who believe they gotta buy a seedbox to get on private trackers.


i read this over and over again. "if you want to join tracker x or tracker y you do need a seedbox. you can't survive there without one. you can only keep your ratio on high level trackers when you have a seedbox!"

let me clear one thing up for all newcomers and future private tracker members.

it's a myth. it's simply not true!

you can keep excellent ratios, have great buffers and have the easiest and most comfortable life on any tracker without a seedbox.

an average connection of 1mbit/s upload is enough to download more content than you will ever be able to consume in your whole life on every tracker.

especially on those "high level" trackers you absolutely don't need a seedbox, because exactly they are the easiest to keep a good ratio or don't even have one.

so please don't believe people who tell you, that you need a seedbox here or there. it's wrong. there's not a single tracker where a seedbox is mandatory for you to survive.

please don't get me wrong. if you want to rent one, go ahead. they are great and provide others with excellent speed.


i just wanted to let you know that you are absolutely fine without one - everywhere!

[wevotedno]

Yes i tend to agree with you on the subject pb. But, i also believe that as far as "precious" trackers are concerned i believe that is best to get a seedbox for a month or two in order to buffer the ratio up to a secure lvl and also in order to obtain rights to view nfos or top10 or whatever else requires certain ratio lvls.

In general i agree with you. My Home pipe is 24mb/1mb and i currently have a 2TB buffer on a known lvl 4 tracker.

[tknaught]

I agree, it's not necessary for any of them, but for some sites like What? or BMTV, you will either need to make your own uploads or put in a lot of work to keep a good ratio.

[Nemrod]

You are right PolarBear... when you state 1 mbit connection as a standard, but not everybody has that upload speed.
90% of my life as torrenteer was with 256 kbits/s, then 512 kbits/s, few days ago I could get 1 mbit up. connection, but before that I have always had a ratio superior to 3 in all trackers.
But I can´t deny that lately there are some sites where a seedbox is, if not necessary... almost. Let me name 2: SCT and BitMeTv... every day is becoming harder and harder to keep a good ratio on those both sites, even so I have a very good ratio, but I can´t allow myself download some things that I´d like to.
You are absolutely right when you say that in very high level trackers you don´t need a seedbox, not only because they usually have innovative and extremely friendly ways to measure the ratio, they are also very easy to seed, even with crappy connections.
But as a general conclusion I have to say that your message is true.

[yakz091]

i agree with nemrod that those two sites + kg need some help with seedbox to maintain a good ratio and thanks to polarbear to let us know that high-level trackers not necessarily need seedbox, as max i have only level5.
it will be good to know this fact while requesting invites for higher level, as some of them give preference for seedbox while giving away invites.

[deadalive1]

If you are selective with what you download and when you download them (like getting in early on a new torrent) then no a seedbox isn't needed. But if one doesn't exhibit self-control as Nemrod stated then you can get into trouble (ratio wise) fast on trackers like BitMeTV and the likes. But overall yes I agree Polarbear it isn't necessary to go out and get a seedbox or dedicated server.

[integral]

I agree, you don't really need a seedbox on any tracker, as long as you download what you know you can seed back. But let's face it, seedboxes are just more convenient for most people, since the whole obsession with huge TB buffers is getting more popular these days.

And the popularity of seedboxes on some trackers irrefutably makes it harder for users with slower upload speeds to even get an even 1.000 ratio on torrents. SCT is a good example of this.

Some users will be smart, and download wisely to maintain a good ratio; take advantage of free leech, popular torrents etc. Some users will collapse under the pressure, and end up with a horrible ratio and give up. And some users will of course resort to a nice seedbox to solve all their problems; thus the problem grows.

[SgtMajor]

The main reason we talk so much about seedboxes here is we are a highly experienced lot and therefore have a much more concentrated view of torrenting, whereas in the overall torrenting world we are prob only a minuscule percentile of those that do torrent, so we do tend to talk about the elite ways of torrenting, and with that comes the view that seedboxes and high level trackers go hand in hand.

I doubt that view will ever change, as every day we get new members who have googled either torrents or seedboxes and found FST, and hence the two will always go hand in hand here.

But the more that view can be balanced out by posts such as what PB has just made, then that can only be for the better as he is right, he is always right, you don't need a seedbox, but it does make torrenting a much more pleasurable experience if you do have a seebdox, and it makes your uploads much easier to seed.

It's a personal thing, and one that can only be answered by what you want from your torrenting life, your average torrenter won't ever need a seedbox, but as one progresses more & more into an experienced torrenter and feel you can offer more & more to your site(s), then and only then should you consider getting a seedbox, and only then if you have the time & money needed to get the most out of your purchase, don't just get one because you have read everyone needs one, it's just not true :)

[Potet]

I'm lucky and got a good connection at home, but don't you feel that you have a too slow connection even if you are downloading a torrent just after it is released? You aren't able to upload enough before "everyone" got the file(s). Like BitMeTV, the first few hours count a lot, and after that I feel there is just the season packs that give you a lot of uploaded MB over the next week/month or so.

[TP635]

With a connection speed of just 512kb I have no problem with ratio. My secret:
Seed 24/7
Have a large hdd.

and I never donate for GB

[wevotedno]

The main reason we talk so much about seedboxes here is we are a highly experienced lot and therefore have a much more concentrated view of torrenting, whereas in the overall torrenting world we are prob only a minuscule percentile of those that do torrent, so we do tend to talk about the elite ways of torrenting, and with that comes the view that seedboxes and high level trackers go hand in hand.

I doubt that view will ever change, as every day we get new members who have googled either torrents or seedboxes and found FST, and hence the two will always go hand in hand here.

But the more that view can be balanced out by posts such as what PB has just made, then that can only be for the better as he is right, he is always right, you don't need a seedbox, but it does make torrenting a much more pleasurable experience if you do have a seebdox, and it makes your uploads much easier to seed.

It's a personal thing, and one that can only be answered by what you want from your torrenting life, your average torrenter won't ever need a seedbox, but as one progresses more & more into an experienced torrenter and feel you can offer more & more to your site(s), then and only then should you consider getting a seedbox, and only then if you have the time & money needed to get the most out of your purchase, don't just get one because you have read everyone needs one, it's just not true :)

I concur old chap http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3s4p.jpg

ta :D

[Acumen]

There may be implied conditions to that question.

You don't need a seedbox to survive.
But you need a seedbox to thrive.

Most people are concerned with thriving, and not merely surviving.

Picture an old man, with an unshaven beard, holding onto his cane, shaking, and grimly smiling as he finally lifted himself off of his weathered rocking chair, just so he may reach the unplugged refrigerator, in order to pour that week-old milk, smelling foul, into a bowl half-full of half-eaten cheerios. That is you without a seedbox.

[TP635]

There may be implied conditions to that question.

You don't need a seedbox to survive.
But you need a seedbox to thrive.

Most people are concerned with thriving, and not merely surviving.

Picture an old man, with an unshaven beard, holding onto his cane, shaking, and grimly smiling as he finally lifted himself off of his weathered rocking chair, just so he may reach the unplugged refrigerator, in order to pour that week-old milk, smelling foul, into a bowl half-full of half-eaten cheerios. That is you without a seedbox.

No, I never see myself like that old man.
The album that I listen to sound the same as yours
The movies that I watch look the the same as yours
they don't smell foul
Jet Lee and Chuck Norris still kick ass in their movies; not a day older do they look:cool:

[renwickftw]

How is it that it is easier to seed on sites where the speeds are faster, without a seedbox? I thought that peers in a swarm like to choose other peers that have high speeds, when sharing data. Isn't that how bittorrent works?

[jars]

I'll dispell what a few are implying here too. Needing a seedbox on ScT and bitmetv is also a myth. My upload speed is 65kbs!!! and I have a 200gb buffer at bittv and a 325gb buffer at ScT. That not buying credit either. I don't particularly seed my arse except at Christmas time but it's all about getting the right packs. That's it. 21 jump street etc or a Denz Washington pack etc could supply enough gig credit you for a torrenting lifetime.

[maxitout]

this is a messge to all people who believe they gotta buy a seedbox to get on private trackers.


i read this over and over again. "if you want to join tracker x or tracker y you do need a seedbox. you can't survive there without one. you can only keep your ratio on high level trackers when you have a seedbox!"

let me clear one thing up for all newcomers and future private tracker members.

it's a myth. it's simply not true!

you can keep excellent ratios, have great buffers and have the easiest and most comfortable life on any tracker without a seedbox.

an average connection of 1mbit/s upload is enough to download more content than you will ever be able to consume in your whole life on every tracker.

especially on those "high level" trackers you absolutely don't need a seedbox, because exactly they are the easiest to keep a good ratio or don't even have one.

so please don't believe people who tell you, that you need a seedbox here or there. it's wrong. there's not a single tracker where a seedbox is mandatory for you to survive.

please don't get me wrong. if you want to rent one, go ahead. they are great and provide others with excellent speed.


i just wanted to let you know that you are absolutely fine without one - everywhere!

Two things:

1. Yes, you basically do not need a seedbox at any tracker, because you will get enough information that you will ever need with a simple DSL connection. The key here is that we ALL (I suppose :)) download more than we ever need/can consume. You probably would not even need Private Trackers if you only downloaded what you really needed.
2. I like the strategy of using a seedbox and building a ratio buffer at that Prviate Tracker and then keep using it for a bit. I've used that strategy on numerous trackers and it has always worked fine for me.
3. I have a seedbox and am using it at various trackers I have. And I am happy to pay that little money to make sure I can download at any of my trackers anytime I might feel like.

[dunson]

Generally there is no need for a seedbox. But I think that if you use prefer full DVD/HD and/or download over 5GBs a day, you need a seedbox (or a freeleech tracker).

[GXice]

I've never used a seedbox, but then again I don't upload 5gb movies. I suppose it depends on your needs. I've never had trouble keeping a good ratio though.

[maverick_andy]

everything is bizness. to lure ppl :D

[Ali-g]

I think on overall a seedbox isnt needed. And even in the fastest trackers u jst have to be careful (not DL too much) then when u build a good buffer its so so much easier. It's pretty much a user-thing, not a seedbox thing. Ive seen users who were leechers even with a 16 mbit symetrical connection... grrrrrrr...
If u are mad at a content / or tracker then u probably NEED a seedbox. If u for ex. wanna make a collection of TVs (on BitmeTV) u probably will need a seedbox but for own use u jst have to be careful to ur ratio thats it, and also find alternatives to DL from and UL to the difficult-to-seed sites.

[maxitout]

I'll dispell what a few are implying here too. Needing a seedbox on ScT and bitmetv is also a myth. My upload speed is 65kbs!!! and I have a 200gb buffer at bittv and a 325gb buffer at ScT. That not buying credit either. I don't particularly seed my arse except at Christmas time but it's all about getting the right packs. That's it. 21 jump street etc or a Denz Washington pack etc could supply enough gig credit you for a torrenting lifetime.

That's also a good one. Certain files have brought me tons of GB in upload credit, while others have cost me GB. Finding the right packs, things are easy. The challenge therefore then is finding the right packs :)

[sokrates]

well i never needed a seedbox not even on sct or bmtv or anywhere else.. with an upload speed of 32 kB/s for most of the time..
i dont even find the time to watch everything i download. its a mystery to me how others do it :P

[lukee]

absolutely true. I'm a member of sceneHD, a SWEDISH HD site. That means allot of their members have over 8/8. I still have a ~200GB buffer. Same goes for SCC, i have a ~100gb buffer.

I recommend getting a seedbox for TL, I know its not hard to seed there, but you can build an insane buffer. Some people almost have a PETABYTE uploaded!

[Ghostbusters]

I recommend getting a seedbox for TL, I know its not hard to seed there, but you can build an insane buffer. Some people almost have a PETABYTE uploaded!

We choose to go to the moon... :)

[sear]

PB you may be right about not needing a box but shhhhh.../me likes downloading at max speed.

[Sanka113]

It just depends on the kind of pirate you are. If you're a casual pirate then you probably don't dl much that you'd have to seed back anyways. But if you're like me and love to download hd-movies it certainly helps keep your ratio up.

[markupmaster]

It just depends on the kind of pirate you are. If you're a casual pirate then you probably don't dl much that you'd have to seed back anyways. But if you're like me and love to download hd-movies it certainly helps keep your ratio up.

I Agree...

;)

[Acumen]

Picture an old man, with an unshaven beard, holding onto his cane, shaking, and grimly smiling as he finally lifted himself off of his weathered rocking chair, just so he may reach the unplugged refrigerator, in order to pour that week-old milk, smelling foul, into a bowl half-full of half-eaten cheerios. That is you without a seedbox.
...
The album that I listen to sound the same as yours
The movies that I watch look the the same as yours
they don't smell foul
...
The point is that you have to wait...

[SgtMajor]

Picture an old man, with an unshaven beard, holding onto his cane, shaking, and grimly smiling as he finally lifted himself off of his weathered rocking chair, just so he may reach the unplugged refrigerator, in order to pour that week-old milk, smelling foul, into a bowl half-full of half-eaten cheerios.

/me turns my web cam off - stop spying on me!

[sear]

but even if you do have a box and download it that much quicker (which really isn't much for most people on an ok conncection) you still have to FTP it to your home pc to enjoy it. Besides people rent servers to upload not to get things quicker.

[TP635]

...
The album that I listen to sound the same as yours
The movies that I watch look the the same as yours
they don't smell foul
...
The point is that you have to wait...

The point is: the music still sound just as good one week later:cool:
and so are the movies
even with seedbox and given my kind of connection speed, I will still take a long time to dl from the seedbox to my pc.:P

[Acumen]

but even if you do have a box and download it that much quicker (which really isn't much for most people on an ok conncection) you still have to FTP it to your home pc to enjoy it. Besides people rent servers to upload not to get things quicker.
I'm not talking about the quickness of the download speed...
I'm talking about the substantial amount of time it takes to seed back (you know, the whole ratio thing?), which is infinitesimally larger through a home connection than through the pipes of a seedbox.
The time it takes to download something from your seedbox (which you probably stream anyway) is negligible in comparison.


The point is: the music still sound just as good one week later:cool:
I guess I have to spell it out...
The foulness of the food was a metaphor for the annoyance of waiting to seed back so you can download more. The old man's lack of health is a metaphor for the lack of speed. The lack of health caused the sourness of his milk (yes, it took him a week to get off his rocking chair - and he forgot to plug in the frig because he has Alzheimers ), just as a lack of speed causes annoyance.
Get it now? :pinch:

Edit: :)

[TP635]

I understand you way back in your earlier post.:D

[sear]

I'm not talking about the quickness of the download speed...
I'm talking about the substantial amount of time it takes to seed back (you know, the whole ratio thing?), which is infinitesimally larger through a home connection than through the pipes of a seedbox.
The time it takes to download something from your seedbox (which you probably stream anyway) is negligible in comparison.

lol...I don't find seeding back an annoyance so I guess it's no biggy for me. I like to leave torrents seeding for ages not for ratio but so that someone can come back a couple of months later and be able to download that file. Which if I was using a seedbox would be unlikely because of the large cost involved in having a decent amount of hdd space. Don't get me wrong though boxes are great if your an uploader and they make the swarm that much faster. I just don't personally see the need.

[Acumen]

lol...I don't find seeding back an annoyance so I guess it's no biggy for me.
Ok, two conditions must be met for the frustration to kick in:
1)You must want to download something
2)You must have a low ratio that needs time to improve
The time of which is inversely correlated to the size of your pipe and exponentially correlated to the amount of frustration a normal person would experience.



I like to leave torrents seeding for ages not for ratio but so that someone can come back a couple of months later and be able to download that file.
It doesn't matter what other intentions you might have, only that you have the intention to download freely whatever you want.



Which if I was using a seedbox would be unlikely because of the large cost involved in having a decent amount of hdd space.
Renting a seedbox for a month in order to create a huge buffer (in order to download freely afterward) does not restrict you from seeding 'till your heart's content from your home connection.

[PBT42]

aite 1 thing.
there exists a thing in the world called data caps + sloow upload.
some people are lucky enough to not have one/fast.
others aren't. :-P

[maxitout]

I can only speak for myself.
For my home connection, my download speed is 8 times faster than MAX
upload speed. To then go without a seedbox if I am really torrenting a lot
(which I am) would be insane.

[whiteboy]

If I download something from sct thats not real popular, with my 90kb/s it sometimes sits for weeks and weeks trying to get to 1:1 and I seed 24/7

[Funkin']

I gotta agree with this. I have never rented a seedbox, and I have positive ratio's at my sites. Even at harder to seed sites like bmtv. I think the majority of people(not everyone), rent boxes to buffer their accounts and get their stats up for invites and e-penis.

[SgtMajor]

I gotta agree with this. I have never rented a seedbox, and I have positive ratio's at my sites. Even at harder to seed sites like bmtv. I think the majority of people(not everyone), rent boxes to buffer their accounts and get their stats up for invites and e-penis.

And don't forget like to shout about it from the rooftops, just to make sure we all heard it in case we missed it in a boast post.

[CPC464]

i dont need a seed box, i just download what i need or am asked for. i have been using btorrent for years and have great ratios on all my trackers. i just seed 24/7. if i download something i want with no leechers i just make my ratio up on another torrent with lots of leechers - easy.

i doubt a lot people with seedboxes even know what they have downloaded let alone use it. just obsessed with buffering there accounts without ever using them for the reason they're there.

[monk3y]

1mb/s is not even close to the average speed of home connection upload, get back to reality.

I can not get passed 20kbp/s which is lame and impossible to set a 1:1 ration on most sites.

[hitman51]

i think you are wrong....for ScT you need a seedbox i wouldnt be able to last with my 6/768 connection

[DoobieSnacks]

I have sct, and I survived just fine with only 40kb/s upload, then they gave me up to 80kb/s upstream. Hell, I even got ~100gb buffer over a period of time before the speed increase. Now with only 0.75% of dl counted, its easier then ever! Thing is, you can't just go crazy dling anything and everything. Seedboxes are only needed for those who can't control their download habbits, or uploaders.

[sokrates]

i think you are wrong....for ScT you need a seedbox i wouldnt be able to last with my 6/768 connection
you are wrong.. i never had a problem with the third of your connection ;)
i dont know how it is nowadays, bc i still use µt 1.6.1 but i can not imagine that is harder than a year ago^^
you only have to pay attention to what you are doing the first weeks on a tracker. after that your ratio should be good enough to download what you want, when you want or the tracker just isnt for you ;)

[The Flying Cow]

I don't see the point of discussing this matter. How many times have we read here about this exact same discussion...
It's inevitable that different people will voice differing opinions, invariably right in their own ways.
A seedbox is good to make fast buffers, whereas home connections of average quality in any civilized nation (with, say, 1mbit upstream) work for slow buffer creation.
Yes, some sites make buffer creation difficult (BMTV, BM, and so forth), and yes, the seedbox helps make it easy.

Anything here we didn't already know?

-Sherman

[Swift]

NO you don`t need a seedbox on any tracker .. hmmm maybe on bitmetv :D

[leomero]

is very hard to seed in BitmeTV our SCT so need SeedBox...

[deadalive1]

is very hard to seed in BitmeTV our SCT so need SeedBox...
Not true. It's all about not grabbing everything in sight. Get in early on a torrent. Make sure you are fully connectible (I see a lot who aren't). If there are free leeches on a TV pack or movie pack (grab those and let them run for X amount of days,weeks etc.).

[colbert]

No one needs a seedbox, but it is nice to have and kind of a necessity if you are a hardcore torrenter.

[ConkiZz]

No one needs a seedbox, but it is nice to have and kind of a necessity if you are a hardcore torrenter.
If you have 56k then u need a seedbox ;) But nowadays most people can get good speed with ADSL. At least we in Sweden :shifty: And we also got a big fiber network.;)

[colbert]

damn you Swedes and your fast internet! :P

[DoobieSnacks]

No one needs a seedbox, but it is nice to have and kind of a necessity if you are a hardcore torrenter.
If you have 56k then u need a seedbox ;) But nowadays most people can get good speed with ADSL. At least we in Sweden :shifty: And we also got a big fiber network.;)

If you have 56k then you would NOT need a seedbox. Let me explain:
How do you propose to get the files from the seedbox to your computer?
Do you have any idea how long it would take to transfer any dvd or recent game?
It would be pointless unless you were just buffering to trade the account later.

[deadalive1]

I don't think anyone uses dial up any more. It's archaic. Most have either cable or DSL, well here in the U.S that is.

[Nemrod]

I´ve seen some things since Polarbear opened this post...
A friend lend me a seedbox and I´ve been using it for about 10 days.
Perhaps it´s just me or I see notable differences between today and 3 months ago.

Even with a seedbox today is not so easy to get extraordinary buffers, mostly in some top sites, like S*T and F*N, unless oneself becomes a slave of that compulsive fever that it´s so popular today.
Ten days ago I had a ratio of 3 at S*T, today I have 3.4, but yes, I got promotion in few days, with my home connection it would have taken me several months.
It´s madness... i.e. I see a new DVDr release, perhaps 2 seeders and 8 leechers, in the time I download the .torrent, open it and begins to download it there are 4 or 5 seeders already... OK, I download the movie in few minutes, when it´s finished there are 10 seeders and 10 leechers, for 4 or 5 minutes I get amazing upload speeds and get 1:1 ratio, but then almost... no leechers, and speeds are far away from MBs... 50/150KBs... of course, we are 20 or more seeders with seedboxes and the leechers are mostly regular users with regular connections. At the end, after 3 days I can get 3-3.5 ratio.
The other way is using RSS and download everything downloadable... but I can´t find the sense to it.
OK, I must confess... It´s kinda an addiction... but I´m becoming a slave of this thing and that´s not reasonable... it´s supposed that torrenting is for having a good time and grab useful things... I can´t and I don´t want to be in front of my PC refreshing torrents page every 3 seconds in 4 or 5 different sites, sweating like a pork and stressed with that crazy look.
As a side note, in others sites like TL or TorrentBytes things are slightly different... there you can get amazing ratios and buffers... there are so many leechers that you are always uploading at very good speeds.
And if we talk about not "high level" trackers, the thing can be absolutely madness... I got a 21:1 ratio in one site in 1 day.

In short, in ten days, in these excellent sites I got almost similar ratio with my home connection than with seedbox, the only relevant difference is the amount of data.

I´ll come back to my habits... I´ll run the long distance race with my home connection... I´ll seed until it dies and I´ll get very good ratios, as I always did... and the money I was thinking to spend in a box I´ll use it for donating to those sites that really deserve it and where I feel happy.

But, please, don´t misunderstand me, I´m not criticizing seedboxes or seedboxers... thanks to them we all get benefits, and I know there are people who upload stuff for others to enjoy it waiting for nothing in change, and there are people that really like to share, not for promotions or that greedy feeling of seeing TB in their profiles. It´s just that I don´t find the sense in my particular case.
And yes, now I´m convinced, absolutely convinced that it´s not necessary to have seedbox for surviving in any tracker, unless you are looking desperately for promotions.

[tX]

agree with OP, there are no trackers that REQUIRE a seedbox to survive

they make the job a lot easier though :P