Water cooled setup [Archive] - Page 2

clocker

03-17-2009, 11:49 AM

Semi-threadjack time.

I finally got around to installing the EK block you so graciously donated to Sprocket.
I was waiting for a CPU block so I could break the loop but once, unfortunately my "friend" with the block is a lazy barsteward and never came through, so I went ahead without it.

No way to compare "before/after" results.
The smart thing to do would have been just swapping the GPU block but I seem unable to make incremental changes and instead made sweeping changes to the whole computer.
I remade the front panel (not a big performance mod but a significant aesthetic improvement), changed the pump top, added a different reservoir and eliminated the northbridge block in favor of a Thermalright sink with fan.

Also reconfigured the HDDs and reloaded the OS with Win7 RC1 (64-bit , build 7057).
To top it off, the weather jumped into the mid-seventies, so pretty much nothing is the same as before.

A teaser shot of the hastily assembled setup...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/NL1.jpg

All this was squeezed on top of another project I'm involved in...cramming a 1996 Camaro V-8 engine into a 1993 Mazda RX-7.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/P1010267.jpg

I've been a busy boy...so busy that I was unable to hit the post office yesterday but I promise to get there today.
Really...promise.

OK, end threadjack.

Detale

03-17-2009, 10:25 PM

Looks good man. Let me ask you how do you mount those cross braces going up/down, left/right? Are they just screwed in. Also is that a blue LED on the ram cooler!!!! :P

On the engine, where do you work on it? Is the engine new or rebuilt? What would posses you to do such a thing??

clocker

03-17-2009, 10:52 PM

Looks good man. Let me ask you how do you mount those cross braces going up/down, left/right? Are they just screwed in. Also is that a blue LED on the ram cooler!!!! :P
Yup, just screwed in.

On the engine, where do you work on it? Is the engine new or rebuilt? What would posses you to do such a thing??
We're working in his home garage.
He bought the car last March- in "running" condition- and had been chasing down problems ever since.
His back problems (he's scheduled for surgery in a month) have hindered progress, so he put a notice in the RX-7 forum and I responded.
The engine is a pull from a 1996 Camaro that supposedly has had all sorts of performance work done to it- I can't confirm or deny that since we only got it running last weekend and there is still a lot to do before it's semi-driveable.

"What would possess you to do such a thing"?
Put a stonkin huge American V-8 into one of the best handling sportscars of the last 20 years...hmmm, isn't that what Carroll Shelby did to create the original Cobra?
Why yes, yes it is.

Detale

03-18-2009, 02:30 AM

"What would possess you to do such a thing"?
Put a stonkin huge American V-8 into one of the best handling sportscars of the last 20 years...hmmm, isn't that what Carroll Shelby did to create the original Cobra?
Why yes, yes it is.

Well I meant I wish I had that sort of time. I taught my brother about engines when he bought a '77 Monte Carlo with a 350 small block and we rebuilt the entire thing in my cousins garage. Took around 6 months but it was cool. I SOOO appreciate this kind of thing and think it's alost art. On my car a 2001 Dodge Durango I can barely change the spark plugs without removing 100 plastic pieces :dabs:

clocker

03-18-2009, 02:38 AM

Ah.
I know nothing about American engines (pushrods,really?) but I am a fabrication fool and am having a blast on this car.
We'll see how it turns out.

Detale

03-18-2009, 03:01 AM

American engines fucking rock!!!! Well pre 1980 I'd say even some later ones but not many at all.

clocker

03-18-2009, 10:19 AM

Well this one has been kicking our ass.
Especially the cooling system- a "reverse flow", double acting thermostat setup that was such a great idea that Chevy dropped it in '97.
Took a while but I think I finally understand it and with the parts coming in this week, I hope we'll be done with it.
I hope.

Detale

03-20-2009, 09:16 PM

Update:

Ok so thanks to Clockers ongoing generosity I now have the Swiftech MCW60 universal GPU cooler. Thanks again man I owe you.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8380/mcw60010749719.jpg

I decided to get the Swiftech GTX200 heatsink as shown here

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1858/gtx280mcw60gtx200xbackx.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2129/gtx280mcw60gtx200x40031.jpg

Now it looks really cool especially the backplate part which seems like it's included by looking at the pics but I found out today it does not.

It clearly says "The GTX200 heatsink utilizes the stock solution back-plate and fasteners (spare screws also included) " but I guess I missed it.

When I got my part and thought it was missing as my EVGA GTX 260 doesn't have a backplate :dabs: Some searches on Google and the EVGA forums showed me that the 65nm older models did in fact have them but on the newer 55nm models they DO NOT! So needless to say I was pissed. I dont think that its really needed but from reading over on overclockers forums they say its about a 10 degree difference using the backplate so now I MUST have one.

Again I was astonished by their customer service, What a great damn site!. Within an hour they replied back and PPCs had promptly contacted a Swiftech Rep and we are awaiting his reply.

It's such a relief to know that truely exceptional customer service still exists in this day and age. Thanks to Hank the Ppcs guy as he sure did go above and beyond the seemingly standard "You have to contact the manufacturer" response. Things like this renew my faith in the system.

Do you guys have any suggestions on where I could possibly get one? I have read a backplate will fir on the 55nm models from a 65nm card leaving one screw out. I would buy someones old broken one but EVGA has a lifetime warrenty so I doubt I could find one. Anyone have any other ideas at all?? I guess I could try my hand at making one as it seems pretty straight forward, Yes/No??

clocker

03-20-2009, 11:16 PM

I don't understand what the backplate does...is it cooling anything or just allowing for a better block mount?

A 10 degree difference is pretty substantial...

Detale

03-21-2009, 01:40 AM

The backplate is supposed to help support the weight of the card and pull heat from the backside. I believe there are thermal pads between it and the card.

clocker

03-21-2009, 02:09 AM

Why not try running without it and see what happens.
You could always add it later without breaking the loop.

Detale

03-21-2009, 05:11 AM

Dude that is honestly the best damn idea. I guess I wasn't thinking that simply. Well I did manage to get the stock cooler off without a hitch and then I try to fit the sink on the card and it doesn't FU@KING FIT!!!! Damn this sucks balls. On the swiftech site it claims its for this card but no. Here are the problems. Pardon the pics I took them with my cell phone I didn't have my camera handy.

The overall view
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7031/imag00011775803.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6031/imag00041781912.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/700/imag00051785401.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3492/imag00022103195.jpg

Well this blows bigtime. Back to the drawing bored I guess. Anyone have any suggestions for cooling the ram and other parts that were cooled by the stock cooler??

clocker

03-21-2009, 11:35 AM

Copper RAM sinks. (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3885/vid-54/Swiftech_MC14_Forged_Copper_16-Pin_Video_Card_BGA_Memory_Ramsinks.html?tl=g40c18s236)

Detale

03-21-2009, 07:07 PM

Ok cool. I do have a few more tedious questions if you happen to know.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8245/gtx26055nmganz090225145.jpg

I did see a D-Tek heatsink (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=411&products_id=24427) but do you think it will work with the swiftech block? Here is what it looks like.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3251/nv20001.jpg
Still from the looks of the back of it it may not be a fit for the 55nm card :frusty:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/398/nv200022352587.jpg

:idunno:

Detale

03-23-2009, 08:18 AM

Got my answer ;)

http://www.linustechtips.com/build-logs/using-a-d-tek-uni-sink-with-an-mcw60

clocker

03-23-2009, 02:46 PM

Yikes.

Honestly D., I think you're overcomplicating this...at the very least being premature.

Take the simplest solution and try it first, then adjust as necessary.
Complexity looks good in pics but the extra hardware and money doesn't always result in better performance- in fact, sometimes the opposite occurs.

You know how to monitor the temps, so get yourself a baseline and go from there.

Detale

03-23-2009, 03:48 PM

Yeah I was leaning toward the regular copper sinks but I'm unsure that they will fit as there are two different sizes. Is there a set I could get? I cant seem to find one.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8245/gtx26055nmganz090225145.jpg

Detale

03-26-2009, 04:33 PM

Hoi where is everyone??

clocker

03-27-2009, 12:21 AM

I get 403'd out of here so frequently it's a major PITA to even visit anymore.

Detale

03-27-2009, 03:32 AM

LOL, I know what you mean. Especially when I was modding if I had more than 3 tabs open to cross reference things it drove me nuts like.

So do you think I can put a heatsink on that thing in the front of the card that doesn't appear to be ram of mosfet? :huh:

clocker

03-27-2009, 09:15 AM

Sure...can't hurt.

Detale

04-26-2009, 08:00 AM

OK so it's been a long journey but I finally got her done. I forgot to take the pics off the HTPC so I will do it tomorrow and here's where we are now.

-Bertha:wub:
Q9550 running at 3.2
Gigabyte EP45 UD3R
GTX 260
Gskill 1000 4Gb ( will install 8 but wanted to make sure she was stable first)
3 750GB Seagate drives 2 in RAID 0 (also soon to change)
2X samsung DVD drives
Corsair 620HX
Win7 RC1

Now I feel like the temps are still a bit high but it's about 80 degrees here today and I haven't put the AC on yet so I know ambient is high to begin with. Here are a few various temp screens
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2203/coretempscr.png

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1189/426200934220am.png

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3584/426200934113am.png

I just feel like those temps are high and uneven. I'm going to pull of the CPU block and see if its mounted right first.

The water loop is like this: I'm cooling the CPU then the northbridge and the the Vid card (thanks to Clocker for the GPU block ;) )then on to the rad the res then Pump. I did downsize a bit with a 2 fan rad instead of the 3 fan one I had so I could mount it on top of the case.I do happen to have a pic of this oddly

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/949/dsc025077199747.jpg

And some performance pics ones also

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1899/score1z.png
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5554/426200933152am.png

Now do you guys have any idea why my HDD score is so low? I have 2 750's in Raid 0 and I turned off the write back cache thing on all drives.

So what do you guys think? What can I do to improve the scores and/cool this bitch down?

clocker

04-26-2009, 12:42 PM

Open the Intel Matrix Storage console.
Under "View", check "Advanced Mode".
Right click on your raid volume and enable "Volume Write-Back Cache".
You may need to reboot, doesn't hurt, so do it anyway.

Now see what your score is.

Edit:
Just wiped and reloaded a fresh Win7 RC1.
Some comparison scores...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/Win7RC12.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/Win7RC1.png

OS is on a RAID 0 array comprised of 2 x 250GB Seagates.
CPU is running at 3.5GHz.
You have a much better vid card than I.

Detale

04-26-2009, 05:02 PM

Meh, It got worse when I enabled write back cache. I always thought it was something to be disabled for performance?
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4117/4262009123518pm.png

I have the GTX 260 but it looks like your score is better than mine, no? My other scores are liveable for the time being. What temps are you running at with that OC? Like I said my ambient here is fucking hot ATM but I still feel like my baby should be cooler than it is. Today my temps are:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3149/4262009124236pm.png

Do you think I have too much on the one loop with a 120X2 rad? This (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21619) is the one I have now. If need be I can re use my older one. I'll give up the top mount and rear mount the triple 120mm or something. Also I could always add another loop for just the Vid card. The thing I dont get is this. The loop goes CPU>Northbridge>Vid Card. So the Vid card is getting the warmest water right? but my vid card temps aren't bad I dont thing, just the CPU is hot. Here are the temps as everest sees them.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8959/everesttemps.png

Any Ideas??

EDIT: Looks like I did have to disable the write back cache as my disk scor is now somehow way better, but the CPU score is slightly slower.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6538/latest.png

clocker

04-26-2009, 05:30 PM

Go to nVidia and get their latest driver (181.71)...don't use the MS supplied version.

My CPU sensors are all FUBAR so RealTemp/CoreTemp are useless.
My Everest supplied "CPU temp" has always been in the low 30's, so we're not that far off.

Go to Device Manager, right click on your disks (volumes) and check "enable write back caching", do the same in Intel Matrix Storage.

Don't argue, just do it.

Detale

04-26-2009, 05:38 PM

LOL, I did enable them and I got the lower scores. I'll try it again if you say so bro.

clocker

04-26-2009, 08:42 PM

Hmmm.
Are these new Seagate drives?
Are the jumpers capping them to SATA 1 speed still in place?

Detale

04-26-2009, 09:54 PM

They're relatively new (around 4 months) And yes I removed the jumpers. Something's a foot though.

clocker

04-26-2009, 09:55 PM

Feet make terrible storage devices.

Detale

04-26-2009, 11:14 PM

Well I just noticed that it had the f5 bios in it. Hopefully this will help some. I'm updating it now and will re-run all tests. Also I just started pumping the AC so things will cool off in here as well and trickle down to Bertha (new name :) )

Well I OC'd to 3.6 and looks like things are looking up. I didn't install the new vid driver yet (damn kids and their dinner time!!) Here's whats happening now
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1136/426200972526pm.png
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7127/426200970927pm.png
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/705/cpuj.png

Take 2 with the Nvidia driver installed:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2463/newestest.png

We're getting there I guess. A little more tweaking and playing with the Ntune util and I will feel better I think :)

Detale

04-27-2009, 08:14 PM

OK so I tried that Nvidia driver, it worked for a while but I think it FUCKED up my system. I had to do startup repair twice. I'm not totally sure that was the problem though. The BSOD said it was win.sys something or other, usually when I have had a problem with vid drivers it said Nvid blah blah. Where can I look at the boot logs it talks about?

BTW here are some of the pics of the new rig I never posted :)

First the Video card with the GPU block CLocker(as awesomeas he is) sent to me. Thanks so much again man :) I swaped out the plastic barbs with some bitspower converters and fittings, hope you don't mind. Also i got the Ramsinks but I had to get a 3rd party thermal tape as the stock stuff didn't stick for shit.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2221/dsc025187328390.jpghttp://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5276/dsc025177316514.jpghttp://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7762/dsc025167304396.jpghttp://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9650/dsc025157291971.jpghttp://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3683/dsc025147282288.jpghttp://img16.imageshack.us/img16/835/dsc025087211384.jpg

Here it is before I filled it.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3987/dsc025007121338.jpghttp://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8651/dsc025017131262.jpghttp://img4.imageshack.us/img4/474/dsc025027144464.jpghttp://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7504/dsc025047168135.jpghttp://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9279/dsc025057178022.jpghttp://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4664/dsc025067186866.jpg

And here we have the finished product....for now.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3586/dsc028184414737.jpghttp://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3541/undercard4442242.jpghttp://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9358/dsc028174406320.jpghttp://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4861/front4431841.jpg

I did give up a little in the basement with trying to hid the wires any further, It's a shame I know

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2002/dsc028194421478.jpg

Hope you guys like it, I certainly do :)

On another note Which Temp sensor program should I believe??
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6517/temps.pnghttp://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6940/occt.pnghttp://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7138/everestj.png

Detale

04-28-2009, 07:59 AM

Just did a quick super pi check and got:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6364/superpi1299.png

I wonder how much better I can do?

clocker

04-28-2009, 09:36 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/bones26.jpg

Detale

04-28-2009, 09:20 PM

Bastard!!!

What were the specs at the time of this test?

clocker

04-28-2009, 11:16 PM

It was running faster....

Detale

04-28-2009, 11:35 PM

lol got me. I'v been struggling with "restart" issues. i keep getting all kinds of Bsod errors and I don't know why. Whenever I try and push her above 3.6 shit goes awry. I don't ever get the same message twice and it flashes so fast I cant see what the entire thing says. Meh head hurts so Im at stock speed for the time being :dabs:

Detale

11-02-2009, 09:04 PM

Well folks here we are again. Time for me to redo my rig. I'm going to get a dual water loop going this time. Here are the parts I have so far.

2 x Swiftech MCP350 (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2539) pumps
1 x Black Ice Pro 120mm Radiator (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=3984)
1 X HW Labs Black Ice GTX M184 - Dual 92mm Radiator (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=336&products_id=23325)
1 x XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Res (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=318&products_id=25767)

Swiftech MCW60 (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=582&products_id=4086) GPU block ( thanks to Clocker ;) )

PrimoFlex Pro Tubing (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=292)
I'm going with a white black thing. One loop will be white and the other black. I don't think I'll be using any UV lights this time, maybe just a few plain white lights to accent the inside of the case if any at all.

I'm still using my Q9550 chip, Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R, Corsair 620HX, and EVGA GTX 260 card, a little older but it works awesomely.

Now I haven't worked out the design just yet as I have a few ideas up in the air. I was even given a ARCTIC COOLING Accelero XTREME (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186032) for free which will fit on my 260 so I may even air cool the vid card and use the dual loop on my CPU and northbridge I dunno yet. Also as I have mentioned in another thread I may get a new case also, the Antec 1200 over my current Silverstone TJ-07 for no good reason other than I like new cases.

Now this could prove a slight challenge as I ordered one rad for dual 92mm so i could mount it outside the 2 92mm fans in the TJ but I'm sure I could get some adapter to mount it outside with the 2 120mm's on the 1200. Suggestions anyone??

I'll take pics later or tomorrow of some of the parts as I have time. As always suggestions are greatly appreciated guys;)

clocker

11-02-2009, 11:33 PM

Don't bother with the northbridge.
It's tough to do anyway as the Gigabyte has weird hole spacing on the northbridge sink and it's almost impossible to find a block that'll fit.

This (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7921/duc-47/8092mm_to_120mm_Fan_Adapter_-_Black_FG01-0100-AKS.html) might work for adapting your rad but then again, maybe not.

Detale

11-03-2009, 03:02 AM

Oh I know all about the NB issues. I have a generic block from EK that I got to work with some new screws but everywhere I read says there's no benefit from water cooling the NB on this board. Maybe I'll just put the heatsink back on and be done with it. I have read the thing gets that hot and is fine. I know on both of these boards the thing does produce a great bit of heat. Still folks say it OK like that.

Detale

11-05-2009, 04:26 AM

OK so here we are today. I am surely going to get the Corsair Obsidian :D
http://www.techgadgets.in/images/corsair-obsidian-series-800-chassis.jpg

I'm not too sure about the SSD's I keep trying to read up on them because my SSD knowledge is to say the least, sub par. I have read on a few sites like Toms saying "Just to make sure that you have right expectations, it's the access time where SSDs are much, much faster than mechanical drives. The transfer rate on SSDs is faster than most hard drives, but not that much faster (and for writing it's slower than some hard drives)." If this is true I'm not sure if its worth teh money. I would want a drive that's 128GB but my budget is $250 so there are a few options out there but again I'm uneducated on the subject and unsure of the "bang for buck" aspect of things.

Could someone please give me the lowdown in a nutshell if it's worth it or not. The one I have my eye on is the Kingston SSDNow V-Series SNV125-S2BN/128GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139005) for $283, but again for the money I could get a VelociRaptor 150GB for (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136296) $179 so :idunno: as I read these stats though I get second thoughts. This is making me nuts!!!

Kingston SSD vs WDC VelociRaptor
http://www.overclockers.com.au/articles/815652/datamarck_seek.png
Datamarck (http://www.datamarck.com/) didn't run into any of the irregularities that HDTune did with regards to access times, and the results require no explanation.

http://www.overclockers.com.au/articles/815652/datamarck_read.jpg
Again, this paints quite a different picture from HDTune, as it's now the VelociRaptor suffering from a low minimum read transfer rate (55.7MB/s), whilst the SSDNow V+ didn't dip below 145.3MB/s. The average and maximum read speeds of the VelociRaptor were similar to previous results, as it tops out just shy of 120MB/s. Pretty quick, but overshadowed by the SSDNow V+ crunching along 20% faster, at over 150MB/s.

CrystalDiskMark 2.2:
This application (http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDisk/index-e.html) tests sequential transfer read/write speeds, and also randomised read/write transfer rates at 512k and 4k file sizes.

http://www.overclockers.com.au/articles/815652/crystal_sequential.png
As before, sequential tests bring out the best numbers from a drive. Kingston's SSD is 48% faster than the VelociRaptor in the read tests; although that margin again drops, this time to 20%, in write performance.

http://www.overclockers.com.au/articles/815652/crystal_512k.png http://www.overclockers.com.au/articles/815652/crystal_4k.png
The 512k test shows some remarkable discrepancies, as the SSD doles out a 150% thumping in read testing, which dwindles to 38% in write operations.

The 4k test reinforces the previous results; in read tests, at small file sizes, the two technologies performances are worlds apart; however, in a by-now familiar pattern, the write results are much closer.

Windows Boot Time:
A fresh install of Vista Ultimate x64 SP2 was prepared for each drive, and these are the results:

http://www.overclockers.com.au/articles/815652/vista_boot.png
The SSD manages a slender 6% lead here, not really much to "write" home about. Ahem.

Crysis 1.2.1:
This test recorded the time taken to load the first level of Crysis, just after installation.

http://www.overclockers.com.au/articles/815652/crysis_load.png
The second real-world test shows a more decisive win for the SSDNow V+, as it chalks up a 17% win.

Conclusion:
The general trend of results has been unquestionably in favour of the Kingston SSDNow V+. Where Western Digital's VelociRaptor can take the fight to this SSD, and others, is in size. In overall performance characteristics, the venerable VelociRaptor still hasn't been blown away (though the same can't be said for access times and IOPS), but it's clearly not the king of the pack anymore.

So, to answer to the proposition in the introduction, you wouldn't pay AU$20 more, for 4.5 times the capacity, if you're the kind of enthusiast that lives on the bleeding edge. The choice really couldn't be any clearer: 300GB of fast storage or 64GB of really fast storage, for around the same price. Take your pick!

Source: http://www.overclockers.com.au (http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=815652&P=1)

clocker

11-05-2009, 01:16 PM

Could someone please give me the lowdown in a nutshell if it's worth it or not.
My opinion, not at all humble, it's worth it.

I have a very early first gen SATA 1 SSD- no load leveling, no fancy controller, no nothing- supposedly so pathetic that it was given to me free...and during regular use it felt snappier than my 3 disk RAID array.

Admittedly, I underuse my super specced PC...99% of the time I'm just online browsing forii and DLing shit, so your impressions may differ.

As soon as winter clamps down and I stop squandering all my cash on the car, I plan on upgrading to a new SSD.
The plan- which is how I've been setting up my computers for years now- is to get the smallest drive I can find, probably 32 GB, and install the OS on it.

My current C: drive- after nearly a year of use- only takes up 12GB...as everything possible has been stripped out or moved to a different partition.
Pretty much the only things on it are Win7, the browser(s) and a few frequently used apps (Nero, etc.)
All the other programs, especially big ones like Office, reside on a separate partition with a dedicated Program Files folder.
Everything that creates temp files (uTorrent) has been configured to create these files off the C: drive.

Using the SSD as the main drive gave me instant browser access and the whole experience was noticeably faster...especially using Chrome (which is remarkable, you should try it).

For my PC usage, access time trumps all the other benchmarks and nothing beats the SSD for that.
Now that Win7 has finally gotten the sleep function working correctly, I rarely turn the PC off, so boot times are irrelevant.

Hit the keyboard and BAM! it's awake, click the Chrome icon and BAM!, I'm online.
For a while I had the browser set to open with Windows but when the PC resumes from sleep it takes a few seconds to reestablish the network connection, so now I use that "downtime" to run CCleaner and then begin browsing.

Works for me.

Detale

11-06-2009, 04:24 AM

Clocker as always I do value you opinion greatly. I am going to get one in a week or so, I still have to do some more research on them, for now I went with the case and a few "goodies" that should come soon. Do you have any recommendations on a 128gb drive at all? Are you up on the SSD scene as of late man?

clocker

11-06-2009, 02:32 PM

Nope, not really.

I know there's been a lot of development lately and when the time comes, I'll see what I can afford.
I'll let you be the guinea pig on this one...

Detale

11-06-2009, 05:02 PM

LOL, Thaaaaaanks. It'll be a week or so for now I'm just getting everything else and want to get the new build going. UPS JUST RANG MY BELL!!!! Yep the case is here already and most everything else is coming on Mon but I have to throw together another temp computer using my TT DH0102 case and I think the wolfie is coming out of retirement for the temp setup so I can prepare my build.

Temp specs:

Thermaltake DH-102
8600 Wolfdale/q6600 as I can't decide
GA-EP45-UD3R
4gb ram
500gb HDD (prob an external too so my pirating isn't interrupted :P )
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 4850CORSAIR 650TX

Not too shabby for a temp rig ;)

Detale

11-16-2009, 10:03 PM

OK so I got off my ass and found the camera. Here are some pics of the What I've been doing.

Corsair Obsidian 800D :)
2 x Swiftech MCP350 (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2539) pumps
1 x Black Ice Pro 120mm Radiator (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=3984)
1 X Black Ice GT Stealth 360 Radiator (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/4283/ex-rad-88/Black_Ice_GT_Stealth_360_Radiator_-_Black.html?id=7EHcozEW&mv_pc=202)
1 x XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Res (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=318&products_id=25767)

Swiftech MCW60 (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=582&products_id=4086) GPU block

PrimoFlex Pro Tubing (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=292)
I'm going with a white black thing. One loop will be white and the other black. I don't think I'll be using any UV lights this time, maybe just a few plain white lights to accent the inside of the case if any at all.

I'm still using my Q9550 chip, Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R, Corsair 620HX, and EVGA GTX 260 card, a little older but it works awesomely.

Now I didn't have the guts to sleeve my entire PSU so I have a 24 pin ATX extension cable I sleeved instead. I have to mention that you cannot see through the sleeving in real life only with the flash of the camera. I even bought some of that fancy MurderMod sleeving (http://www.murdermod.com/sleeving-kits.htm) and it is GREAT stuff ;) Really you can't see through it for 5hit!

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7319/dsc03552r.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3607/dsc03554a.jpg

Also the 8 pin connector
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9804/dsc03555w.jpg

A 4 pin power "double" connector I made
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9587/dsc03557e.jpg

The LED's and wires from both of the pumps.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1334/dsc03556y.jpg

Something else I've been doing is spray painting stuff. I am going with a White/Black theme so I decided to take apart some of the fans and spray the blades white.
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9349/dsc03565cl.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9691/dsc03569ws.jpg

I also painted the DVD drives black on the parts that will be seen. You will notice I went with IDE drives so I would have more SATA headers available. AFAIK the interface won't affect the performance of a DVD drive.

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4961/dsc03560l.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9717/dsc03559v.jpg
A little messy :(
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3120/dsc03573l.jpg

Also as the back of the case is completely black I sprayed the IO panel
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3545/dsc03570f.jpg

Now I want to attempt to cut the original heatsink for my EVGA GTX 260 so it can work with the swiftech block. I think it'll work :) I don't know if anyone has tries this before
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1681/dsc03580zi.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7557/dsc03579n.jpg

I went with the obvious top mount placement for the 3.120 RAD with the 3 fans pulling air into the case, more on that later.
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3072/dsc03562g.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2021/dsc03561m.jpg

The other 120mm Rad I think I'm going to place on the bottom here.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6871/dsc03563h.jpg

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9265/dsc03564t.jpg

Also that fan is pulling air in. The rear 140mm fan will be the only exhaust fan there to create positive air pressure inside the case.

Some Misc pics I have left over.

Tubing
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5914/dsc03571c.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4279/dsc03572h.jpg

BEST THING EVER TO REMOVE THERMAL PASTE!!!
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5701/dsc03581w.jpg

The mess i work in :(
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/10/dsc03568.jpg

OK so what I'm not sure of it the White/Black tubing. Do you guys think I should go with one loop white and the other one black OR have black as the inlet tubes and white as the outlet tubes?

Here is my idea for the airflow inside the case. i think the idea is sound what do you guys think?

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3381/airflowidea.jpg

Whaddya think!?

clocker

11-17-2009, 04:22 AM

I think your pics are too damn big and my index finger is tired of scrolling.

Detale

11-17-2009, 05:38 AM

Yeah I know. Imageshack didn't resize them for some reason. If you wait a sec the site will make them smaller and have a bar above it saying " This image has been resized. Click this bar to view the full image"

Lest try this again with better sized pics.

So here is what the fans came out looking like
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3083/dsc03584640x480.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8008/dsc03583640x480.jpg

DAMN IT! I missed one
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/358/dsc03587640x480.jpg

I also sleeved some more- PCI cables

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/152/dsc03586640x480.jpg

A shot of the DVD drives and the Res/pump

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8546/dsc03589640x480.jpg

I do hate the way the top of the double IDE cable looks. Anyone have an idea what I can do with it?

clocker

11-17-2009, 02:52 PM

Yeah, ditch the IDE devices.

Snee

11-17-2009, 05:01 PM

Here is my idea for the airflow inside the case. i think the idea is sound what do you guys think?

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3381/airflowidea.jpg

Whaddya think!?

I think it looks like you've got one fan blowing out, and a bunch blowing in, if that's anything to go by.

I know there are a lot of fans of having positive pressure inside of your rig out there, but I dunno about it.

Otherwise, maybe you should just have gone with fractal design fans and saved yourself some paint.

Detale

11-17-2009, 05:33 PM

Clocker- I'm using the IDE's so I can have more SATA headers available ;)

Snee - Painting is fun :), Honestly I had a bunch of Scyth S-Flex fans here, brand new in the box. Those fractal fans are snappy lookin' though.

Doesn't it make sense to have the air pushed out of the case instead of it being sucked in through dvd drive spaces and such? Please elaborate.

Snee

11-17-2009, 06:57 PM

Far as I know, you get better cooling* with negative pressure.

With too much positive pressure the air can act as an insulator**, I reckon.

The good thing about it is that air gets pushed out of drives and stuff, which means less dust buildup, they say.

My old build is a shuttle with a push-pull setup sandwiching the radiator, that has crazy negative pressure. The weird thing is that I don't get much dust settling in there, somehow. Probably cos the whole thing is like a wind tunnel or something. Sounds like one too :dabs:

*Not as much of a point with a wc setup, though
**And it looks like you might get a lot of that, depending on how much air the sole fan at the back can push

Detale

11-19-2009, 08:24 PM

I'm going to read up more on the pressure. What you're saying makes sense, Hmmmm.

OK so I've been busy but I managed to get going on the Idea I had for using the stock cooler for my GTX 260 along with the Swiftech MCW60 GPU block. I had some doubts at first but now I'm glad I tried :)

First I removed the Enzotech copper heatsinks I had installed previously. May they rest in peace
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5268/dsc03593sw.jpg
Next I hacked it up!!
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3075/dsc03595f.jpg

I had to remove the newly cut fins one at a time as not to ben the rest of them. Needless to say it was tedious as hell.

I also had to cut two holes for the tubing to pass through.

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/8174/dsc03597i.jpg

Not my best work. I should have used a sanding bit. Not too shabby I don't think but I know I could have done better.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3272/dsc03594g.jpg

I did even them out a bit but my camera battery died so i have no final product pics yet, sorry.

Another mistake I made was cutting the last heatpipe thinking I was going to remove it as well.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3178/dsc03601.jpg

I am going to try and solder a new piece of copper tubing there and patch it as I think it will help a little bit in the long run.

Here is what it looks like with the Swiftech
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6553/dsc03600h.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7928/dsc03598v.jpg

this corner gave me the most trouble
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8523/dsc03602.jpg
I have since cleaned up the cuts there and on the side of the fins using a dremmel cutting wheel and "shaving" each fin on both sides to get it to look original.

Another "fitting" pic
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5663/dsc03603yf.jpg

So i assembled the pieces to see what it is going to look like somewhat.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9904/dsc03604g.jpg
Looks like its fitting nicely.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9264/dsc03606q.jpg

Snap the top on and here's what we have now
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2857/dsc03607p.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7636/dsc03609.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2857/dsc03607p.jpg

As I said My camera battery died so i will take some better shots in a few hours. Hope you guys like it :)

clocker

11-19-2009, 10:58 PM

I'm going to read up more on the pressure. What you're saying makes sense, Hmmmm.
IMO, any talk of "pressure" -either positive or negative- in a computer case is just wishful thinking.
PC fans are not capable of creating that kind of airflow and PC cases are too riddled with holes and gaps to hold pressure even if it were to appear.

I removed the Enzotech copper heatsinks I had installed previously. May they rest in peace
Those are entirely too cool to be consigned to a box.

Another mistake I made was cutting the last heatpipe thinking I was going to remove it as well.
I am going to try and solder a new piece of copper tubing there and patch it as I think it will help a little bit in the long run.
Don't bother, once cut, the heatpipe is dead.
They contain a wick and a thermal material (usually ether, IIRC) and with the ether gone and the wick cut, there is no "patching" that will return functionality.
It's dead, you killed it, deal.

Detale

11-19-2009, 11:52 PM

R.I.P Heatpipe http://www.smileyhut.com/sad/rip.gif

Do you genuinely like the ram sinks or was that a bad lounge joke?

clocker

11-20-2009, 12:04 AM

No, I think they're very cool.
Literally.
No joke.

Detale

11-20-2009, 12:07 AM

If you want 'em theyre yours man.

While you're on. I have a guy on Xtreme telling me that it's better to have a single loop with 2 pumps back to back, but that just doesn't make any sense to me. What kind of makes sense to me is: OK I have two seperate loops ATM with the res/pump top now if I cross the pump intake and creat an "infinity sign" where it is a single loop but it has a pump and a rad on opposite ends. Do you think it would work better that way or what?

clocker

11-20-2009, 12:22 AM

If you want 'em theyre yours man.
Thanks, I could use them.

While you're on. I have a guy on Xtreme telling me that it's better to have a single loop with 2 pumps back to back, but that just doesn't make any sense to me. What kind of makes sense to me is: OK I have two seperate loops ATM with the res/pump top now if I cross the pump intake and creat an "infinity sign" where it is a single loop but it has a pump and a rad on opposite ends. Do you think it would work better that way or what?
Huh?
Can you do a simple Paint diagram for simple ole me?
Infinity sign?
Two pumps?

My head hurts.

Detale

11-20-2009, 03:15 AM

Sure no prob.
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5940/tubelayout.jpg

So Like I said there are two pumps and two separate water loops, but someone had said it would be better off putting both pumps "back to back" and it doesn't make sense to me at all. I wondered if you had ever heard of this?

clocker

11-20-2009, 12:12 PM

Yeah, I've heard of it.
I'm a "simpler is better" advocate and if you're going to have dual loops (which is in itself a violation of that precept) then your way is how I'd do it.

Detale

11-20-2009, 02:14 PM

Sorry if I'm being pleb, but my way=2 separate loops or the infinity idea? Also PM me you addy again I'll probably go to the post office today or tomorrow.

clocker

11-20-2009, 02:18 PM

Two seperate loops.
PMed.

Detale

11-20-2009, 02:27 PM

I CAN't believe I forgot to mention this!

So i was going for a water test last night. Everything was perfect, I was well rested, kids were asleep, no nagging wife. So I fill up one res and....wait for it.....A Mother fucking leak! Tighten a fitting you say? No The acrylic res is leaking from between two panels damnit! Now i would have to disconnect all four tubes (they don't come off easy at all and RMA the defective thing Or I could hit the spot with some phenoseal and be done with it. I can see exactly where it's coming from. Opinions?

clocker

11-20-2009, 02:34 PM

Pic?

Detale

11-20-2009, 02:46 PM

meh, I can't find my camera again. I'll point it out on these pics. it's so slow i'd have to take a 1 min video to show you 2 drops. It's right between the acrylic faceplate and the side panel halfway up from the bottom. Only on the side of the 1st pic though. The 2nd is only to show you where.

clocker

11-20-2009, 02:48 PM

Meh, new part that leaks?
Send it back.

Detale

11-20-2009, 02:53 PM

Yeah but the hassle of the whole thing.... i know, you're right. I'm going to the post office anyway. Shit this sucks ass :(

clocker

11-20-2009, 02:58 PM

Yeah, I sympathize.
Given that you've already suffered one catastrophic failure, starting afresh with a part that has failed out of the box seems like a risky move, no?

Detale

11-20-2009, 03:06 PM

Indeed, I have a RMA number already. I'm going down to dismantle damnit all the hell.

clocker

11-20-2009, 03:25 PM

Just enjoy Thanksgiving and get back to it afterwards.

You'll have plenty of time to flood it before Christmas.

Detale

11-20-2009, 04:57 PM

Yeah, as usual....you're right. Good news though When i contacted performance-pcs.com they must have contacted xspc directly as I recieved an Email from them saying:

Sorry to here about the defect.

Would you like to send me a photo about that leaking? If it is a fault product, we will send you a replacement right now.

Best Regards
Dazhong

That is really nice of them I thought. The issue is i already took it out of my system so i had to fill it up by my sink and took this pic. Like I said before its a slow ass leak so hopefully he can see it in the pic. Can you?

clocker

11-20-2009, 11:54 PM

Kinda.
You're right there, you see water, so I believe you.

Detale

11-21-2009, 01:04 AM

Well he asked for better pics so I hunted down the camera.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9576/dsc03618.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2553/dsc03620c.jpg

clocker

11-21-2009, 01:09 AM

Not much to argue about there.

Detale

11-21-2009, 01:17 AM

Now I'm board and have little to work on my rig damnit! :frusty: Patience, I know man

clocker

11-21-2009, 02:05 AM

I feel your pain.
Nothing beats the excitement of watching water slowly drip over your PC's internals...

Detale

11-21-2009, 04:44 AM

LOL, well for me It's the hassle of having to wait for a new one. Luckily it started dripping after about 4oz of water so it wasn't even like I had to drain the entire loop. They just sent me an email they are going to send a new one to me. I think my action photo of a water drop got em ;) . So should I try and fix this one? Na, I wouldn't even risk it.

clocker

11-21-2009, 11:42 AM

They're going to let you keep the faulty piece?
Sure, go ahead, see if you can fix it.

Snee

11-21-2009, 01:41 PM

Been meaning to ask about this:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3083/dsc03584640x480.jpg
The fans closest to the camera, is that a 6-slot corsair dominator ram cooler?

If so, are you ok with how it sounds?

I had to put a resistor on it to make it tolerable. Granted, my setup runs a bunch of large low-rev noctua fans, so it's fairly quiet to begin with, but yours is also quiet enough for the sound from one to be noticeable and annoying, what with the scythes and the wc, which should make it really silent otherwise.

IMO, any talk of "pressure" -either positive or negative- in a computer case is just wishful thinking.
PC fans are not capable of creating that kind of airflow and PC cases are too riddled with holes and gaps to hold pressure even if it were to appear.

I disagree. I'm fairly certain you can achieve an airflow pressure variance with case fans.

My old build was intended for that, and I think it worked. (Don't really have a barometer here or anything, so I can't check, though.)

But yeah, factoring in mesh doors and vents and stuff on most cases, and it's probably no difference.

Set up my current cooling trying for negative pressure too, before it hit me that, yeah, a whole side of the chassis is made of mesh :pinch:

Detale

11-21-2009, 02:09 PM

I haven't plugged it in yet so I don't know how loud it is. These (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181008) are them. I do like it as silent as possible so please do tell what you did with said resistor to make it quieter, Thanks

Snee

11-21-2009, 02:23 PM

It's just one of the ones that come with noctua fans. You get like two with every flx fan. You don't even have to do any soldering, cos all the wiring's done already, like this:
http://www.endpcnoise.com/e/images/RC-56_epcn.jpg
You can buy them separately wired like that, or, you could remove the mesh on the wiring I guess and solder one in (it's the green bit, the stripes on it is a colour coding telling you much resistance it provides). Just means a lower voltage being supplied to the fans so they rotate slower.

The dominator fans come with a standard connector as well, so you could put it on a fan controller (which uses potentiometers rather than just resistors, usually), so you can adjust the speed on the fly.
EDit: I should add that it can wear your fans out faster, according to some. Others say it increases life span :idunno:

Detale

11-21-2009, 08:07 PM

Hmmm, well I've never seen that before so I'll look into it. I was looking into watercooling the ram as well but it's kind of pricey. These look promising but I'd have to get new ram ( which I may be due for soon).

There are others out there as well so I'll be looking. If anything for now at least I have a sunbeam single fan controller I could use if I had to.

Detale

11-24-2009, 02:38 PM

WOW, I was worried about my package taking foreven to get here. It was shipped the 23rd and will be here today the 24th! From HONK KONG!! Haven't posted any pics in a few days so here's a new one of my res.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6408/trackfv.jpg

clocker

11-24-2009, 03:19 PM

Really?
That would be amazing.

Detale

11-25-2009, 01:46 AM

Yup, I would have had it today but they got my zip code wrong. I'm going to pick it up at UPS in the morning ;) Damn fast from China.

clocker

11-25-2009, 02:00 AM

Yup, I would have had it today but they got my zip code wrong. I'm going to pick it up at UPS in the morning ;) Damn fast from China.
No shit...that's faster than your package from NY to Denver.
Did they pay for expedited shipping?
Be interesting to know what that cost...

Detale

11-25-2009, 05:18 AM

It says "UPS saver" I thought that was their budget rate.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9706/upsdoc.jpg

Sorry bud I didn't get a tracking number for your package :(. I think the time zones have alot to do with this one :P

clocker

11-25-2009, 06:15 AM

Even so.
That package probably still smells like jasmine and rice.

Detale

12-07-2009, 02:51 PM

Sorry I've been busy...Still am. I took these pics a few days ago. The short version is. I was all done! Leak tested for 48 hours and was all ready to go. When I looked it over for the last time before installing the OS, I didn't like the tube routing at all. it looked cluttered and I know I can do a way better job so I drained the loops and am going back to work on it little by little. Here are some pics.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6158/dsc03736u.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9969/dsc03737l.jpg
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8731/dsc03738.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3343/dsc03740w.jpg

This however I am EXTREMELY happy with.
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9003/dsc03743a.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4529/dsc03745z.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9149/dsc03746u.jpg

I think I'm going to do something with this
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/1465/dsc03752.jpg

Fan filters look nice enough I think
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9338/dsc03755.jpg

This is the newer idea for the tube routing. I think it'll look waay cleaner than the old one.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2207/dsc03747z.jpg

clocker

12-07-2009, 03:25 PM

Looks like you're going from the vid card up to the chipset...is that correct?
If so, you're probably heating up the chipset more than if it was just air/passively cooled since the vid card should be putting out more calories than the northbridge ever would.

Just a thought.

Detale

12-08-2009, 02:45 AM

Honestly I did think about that and I am almost convinced to just slap the old Heatsink back on and be done with it. Hey you have the same board as me right Clock? (GA-EP45-UD3R) Does your NB get hot? I don't mean warm I mean HOT. I have read it's just the way it is and that water cooling it doens't really help it all too much but I feel like I should anyway? What route would you suggest NB ->Vid card?

clocker

12-08-2009, 02:34 PM

Yup, same board.
I have one of these (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6347/cpu-tri-46/Thermalright_HR-05_SLIIFX_Heatpipe_Chipset_Cooler.html?tl=g40c16s500)- with an 80mm fan attached- on the northbridge.

The Gigabyte supplied board sinks, as elaborate as they appear, struck me as junk.
I'm debating using the nice copper sinks you donated as sinks for the power transformers but am hesitant due to the age of the board.
It's getting to be a couple of years old now and will probably need replacing sooner rather than later, so I'm thinking I should save them for whatever comes next.

BTW, on a different tack...
I just saw a project completed by a very talented friend and his approach to the wiring was very innovative.
Rather than sleeve the cables, he depinned them and braided everything...think Boy Scout lanyard type weaving.
It's in a clear Plexi case so everything is visible and looked very nice.
Plus, it doesn't cost anything.
I wasn't expecting to see anything when I went over there so I didn't have a camera, but will try to get some pics next time.

Detale

12-08-2009, 02:47 PM

I also don't like the stock heat sinks. That is so funny I actually bought and returned that NB heatsink from FCPU! It gets in the way of too much and I felt that the heat from my vid card would be sucked in to it easily heating it up as well.

Please do get some pics man sounds waay interesting. Speaking of pics, what does your rig look like these days man?

clocker

12-08-2009, 03:25 PM

Mine is still in the TJ06- probably the most heavily modified case I've ever done.
Practically nothing is left of the original inside structure.

Although it's embarrassingly dirty, here are some current pics...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/TJ1-1.jpg

The entire front inner facia was cut out and replaced with a plexi panel which holds the rad, DVD burner, fan controller and reset button.
Due to the crap camera you'll just have to take my word on this since it's only barely visible.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/TJ2.jpg
And the interior.
Note the filthy rear fan, which in all honesty is probably unnecessary anyway, but was installed to fill the stock opening.

Sitting on a shelf is the unused TJ07 and my mint condition (never been used) Apple G5 case, which I keep meaning to modify for PC use but haven't yet and probably never will.
I ought to just sell it.

I'm thinking that my next upgrade cycle- whenever that may be- will be air cooled and as simple as I can make it.
It's just a matter of time and money.
Sadly, I have more of the former than the latter.

Detale

12-08-2009, 04:22 PM

Your HDD setup is still one of my all time favs dude. I always wanted to try and make one but I never got the opportunity. I see your sunbeam fan controller there. How is it mounted. is it internal?

I am prob going to use mine in this build but the LED's are too bright for my liking. I think I'm just going to bend them upwards so they illuminate the res some more. I don't have the balls to cut them out but I can't have them beaming out of the front of the case either. If I could find a way to get it internal but accesable I would jump at the idea.

How much you want for the G5 case man? I may be interested.

EDIT: I know I asked you before but for the life of me I can't find the answer. You had that "Russian Sub clock" what was it called again? The wife is asking what i want for Xmas and refused to get me any computer parts.

clocker

12-08-2009, 04:58 PM

The LEDs in my Sunbeam weren't soldered or anything, I just pulled them out.
The whole thing is just held on the plexi with the nuts on the rheostat shafts.

The G5 case is a (kinda) interesting story.
It's from a Hurricane Katrina insurance claim and when he settled the claim Apple sent him a complete G5 computer...all in pieces.
Realizing that the original aluminum case wasn't damaged by the water, he stripped it out and rebuilt it, leaving the new case untouched.
That's what I bought...still has the factory protective plastic cling sheets on it.
It's literally never been used.
I bought a new Lian-li motherboard/backplane to do the conversion- that seemed to be the method of choice for the mods I'd seen.
I paid $250 for the case + shipping.

It's probably one of the nicest cases I've ever seen which is why I was hesitant to hack away on it till I'd really figured out a good plan.
Bit-tech has a number of quality mod threads featuring the G5 if you want to see what's involved.

PM me if you're still interested...we could work something out.

Detale

12-09-2009, 02:23 AM

I am gonna go looking around and check it out. Your sunbeam is mounted on plexi!? mine is right on a pcb with some foam to insulate the bottom. Also my LED's are soldered so I will have to make a new faceplate so there aren't'y unneeded holes. pics later tonight I think.

clocker

12-09-2009, 02:05 PM

Your sunbeam is mounted on plexi!? mine is right on a pcb with some foam to insulate the bottom.
You misunderstand.
I removed the Sunbeam faceplate and drilled the plexi facia for just the rheostat shafts. I too have the PCB w/foam but the whole thing is now hanging on the shafts instead of being supported by the faceplate/box it came with.

Since the plexi is thicker than the stock metal faceplate, I had to get creative when I drilled the holes but that's another story.

Snee

12-09-2009, 09:27 PM

That 800D has made me want a new case, seeing that black interior and the cable routing options in action, so to speak, made me think I've been missing something. Probably getting a Raven RV01 instead, though, in a week or two.

Detale

12-10-2009, 02:29 AM

Clocker- Ahhh I see i did the same thing with the aluminum faceplates from my tjo7. i just drilled out another one without the LED holes. Also the LED's DO come right out. i thought they were soldered in to a resistor. Waay easies now.

Snee- Honestly this is the easiest case Iv'e ever worked with. Saves so much time not making Mobo Holes.

Detale

12-16-2009, 06:13 AM

OK so I've been able to put some more time in with the rig. Here is the final setup/routing, and I use the word Final very loosely as Xmas is upon us and I'm going to get some new SSD's Shirley along with another side project maybe. but thats in the works :eyebrows:

On to the pics ;)

The new tube routing, Looks waay better IMHO
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3064/dsc037930799251.jpg

The front with the res and Sunbeam controller sans LED's

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/716/dsc037940810810.jpg

My Custom video card cooler which I absolutly LOVE

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1734/dsc037970846906.jpg

Closeup of my apogee GTZ painted white with Bitspower fittings on her

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8122/dsc037960833509.jpg

S'more shots of Bitspower fittings

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2140/dsc038000883306.jpg

Shots of her buttoned up....for now
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8030/dsc038020903260.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8404/dsc038030914775.jpg

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5483/dsc038010892254.jpg

Well I already see some thing I want to touch up and will be working on when I have time but as I mentioned earlied Xmas is upon us and time is tight. Hope you guys like it. as always thanks to all who contributed and I am always open to advice.

ckrit

12-16-2009, 08:56 AM

Snee- Honestly this is the easiest case Iv'e ever worked with. Saves so much time not making Mobo Holes.

Still ordered the Raven, though :p

May be here as soon as tomorrow.

Pretty excited about it, even though the cutouts for cables are said to be less than optimal.

Also getting some Nexus Damptek and a new Zalman MFC-1 plus for it, as well as yet another graphics card and one or two other bits.

Still gonna cool it with air, though, like Jeebus intended.

clocker

12-16-2009, 12:33 PM

Looks nice.

Detale

12-16-2009, 02:04 PM

Snee- Honestly this is the easiest case Iv'e ever worked with. Saves so much time not making Mobo Holes.

Still ordered the Raven, though :p

May be here as soon as tomorrow.

Pretty excited about it, even though the cutouts for cables are said to be less than optimal.

Also getting some Nexus Damptek and a new Zalman MFC-1 plus for it, as well as yet another graphics card and one or two other bits.

The raven is a really nice case as well.

Still gonna cool it with air, though, like Jeebus intended. BLASPHEMY!!!

ckrit

12-16-2009, 02:38 PM

Looks nice.

I meant to say that too, obviously.

Detale

12-16-2009, 09:04 PM

Thanks so much guys

Snee

12-17-2009, 05:43 PM

Raven's here. It's lovely.

Detale

12-17-2009, 06:31 PM

3 words. Pics, pics pics.

Detale

12-18-2009, 07:19 AM

OK so I am up and running on my new baby. I don't know what I did but my transfer speeds are better than ever. I'll usually transfer files from one disk to another at around 80MB/s or so but I'm up over 110 now. I did get some new cables ( SATAIII )do you guys think that would affect it? I got them because they were round and would look better sleeved but it looks like they're working out well :)

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2551/speedw.jpg

Well this pic only shows 100 but it stays around 110 mostly.

EDIT: I stayed upate tonight to wait for newegg's "shell shocker deal (http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx)" as was was on a SSD here is the ad

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6522/captureha.jpg

And so I bought 2 as an Xmas present from the missus. Thanks hun ;) I know she will torture me and not let me have them until Xmas. But hey they're on he way :)

clocker

12-18-2009, 12:03 PM

Gonna RAID 'em?
I may get a pair of the 30GB to do just that.

Storage I've got out the ying-yang, speed is what I'm after.

Detale

12-18-2009, 02:42 PM

Oh yeah I'm gonna raid em. Clcok what are your transfer speeds at? Going hdd to hdd(large file transfer) Any idea what is normal?

clocker

12-18-2009, 02:48 PM

Well, let's see...

OK, just transferred a 2.2 GB .avi file from one drive to another.
Transfer rate started out at @125 mb/s and then settled down to @ 105mb/s, so basically, just about the same as you.

I'll go out on a limb and say that's "normal".

Detale

12-18-2009, 07:43 PM

not normal for me at all. I am plagued by slow speeds in the 60-80 mb/s range for as long as i can remember. i don't recall doing anything differently. :idunno:

clocker

12-18-2009, 10:11 PM

Fine then.

We can call 60-80 mb/s "normal" and 100mb/s "Blazing fast, OMG!", if you'd like.

It does have a certain ring to it, don't you think?

Detale

12-19-2009, 12:38 AM

Shirley! Now i'm looking at mounts for the SSD's I'm growing kind of partial to one of these.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2338/unxbracketvertical01264.jpg (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=26188)

or this variation

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7671/unxbrackets012741012.jpg (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71_442&products_id=26189)

I do have this one already from an old idea
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4448/slotrafter013169551.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3057/slotrafter023229359.jpg (http://img42.imageshack.us/i/slotrafter023229359.jpg/)

I don't like the way they look like that but maybe I can modify it

Not sure which one yet though. What would you do with em Clock? think I could make one??

ALSO I can't believe I forgot to post this. I was thinking about taking on a Modded G5 project as you well know and I decided to check craigslist for shits and giggles and low and behold a guy was selling a g5 with a blown Mobo for $40 so I had to grab it. Looking now I kind of want a "pro" model with 2 DVD drives but I don'treally need it and for $40 fuck it. I am trying to get the damn components out but I'm a little lost due to Apple sucking ass like. I'll post pics later like ;) I'm even checking local powder coating prices :O

clocker

12-19-2009, 01:40 AM

Jeez, $40?
You got a smokin deal, the seller is an idiot.

Know what I'm gonna do with my SSDs?
Couple of velcro tabs and stick em on the back of my mobo tray.
No muss, no fuss, no hardware.

Oh by the way, I missed your earlier question about the "Russian sub clock".
It's called a Nixie tube clock.

Detale

12-19-2009, 01:58 AM

Yeah in fact he even left the DVD, HDD, power supply and they all work fine. I know little about Macs but it's the Dual 1.8Ghz model. Still a huge pain to get the components out of the fucker. Good thing I'm "handy" and have a torx set here and different allen sizes. apparently these arent meant to come out. I may just beat it out of there in pieces like.

clocker

12-19-2009, 05:22 AM

Wait till you disassemble the case itself to mod it for a real motherboard tray.
About 2 million of those little Torx fuckers.

Very curious how you plan on dealing with the integrated board standoffs and mounting the tray to the (fixed) sidepanel.
Very curious, indeed.

Detale

12-19-2009, 05:32 AM

Well I think I am going to use plexi glass as it's easier to cut and from what i can tell I can attach it to the existing standoffs with some screws and attach smaller standoffs to the plexi. Think it'll work?

I'm still just talking through my ass as I haven't even see what I'm up against yet. I was too tired tonight to go look at it so.....

Not just any plexi either. The AC ryan red 3mm one here

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8489/acrylpaneluvr011059303.jpg (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3424)

Snee

12-19-2009, 09:00 AM

clocker

12-19-2009, 01:49 PM

Well I think I am going to use plexi glass as it's easier to cut and from what i can tell I can attach it to the existing standoffs with some screws and attach smaller standoffs to the plexi. Think it'll work?
Nope.
The Apple standoffs are fairly tall (not to mention, swaged into the sidepanel), so if you use them as a foundation, then put a piece of plexi on that, then put standoffs on THAT...your motherboard is now sitting way towards the middle of the case instead of nestled over to one side.

If you use a piece of plexi to mount the motherboard, what about the backplane?

Detale

12-19-2009, 07:00 PM

I just used some deltaco bracket things for mounting 2.5" drives I got when I bought the drives, and put the drives where the regular hds go in an aegis. (Mounting them the way they were supposed to be mounted didn't work with ssds, but flipping the brackets around worked well.) May post pics later of that, if I can find my phone cable. The raven will have to wait though, it's back in my apartment in the city, over 20 miles away.

I kind of like clocker's idea, though, people say ssds are supposed to develop some heat, like ram, but I've never really seen it (granted, there are two 92mm fans blowing straight at my hd bay), so strapping them to a flat surface with velcro sounds ideal to me. Maybe the side of my 5.25" bays. They'll take up less room, whilst looking pretty.

EDit: Balls, I just picked up the new graphics card, an evga gt 240 intended for dedicated physx. It came with a green pcb, not a black one like in the picture :fist:

At least the fan controller they sent me was black, I'd have been even more annoyed if I'd gotten the blue one, again.

Deltaco!?
http://www.driveintheatre.com/evilsam/ff/deltaco.jpg

I'm confused.

As far as the GFX card goes you could order the GTX 275 backplate and mod it fairly easily as I did to fit. I have the 260 so it mostly fit other than some screw holes lining up. There's a saying" Pics or it never happened" ;)

Well Clock how tall would you say the original mac standoffs are. If i drill holes so that they sit "inside" or through the plexi so that the "top" of the apple standoff is the base of the Mobo then mount the new standoffs from the backside of the plexi like. I'll make a simple pic like.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2/simplej.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/simplej.jpg/)

so I am "hiding" some space screwing from both sides of the plexi. I guess the worst case I could always cut the original standoffs and epoxy a new one in there.

clocker

12-19-2009, 07:23 PM

It's never been clear to me exactly how those guys were doing it.
I do know that the original standoffs can be removed without cutting...get a small, deepwell socket that will just slide over the standoff and put a long extension in it.
The wobble/bend the socket and the standoff will pop out.

Supposedly.

I'd try it on one that's not in the way of anything, just in case.

You still haven't said what you think you'll do about the backplane area.

On a side note...
I'm holding two OCZ Vertex 30GB SSDs in my grubbly little hand.
Got 'em from Microcenter where they were only $10 more apiece than Newegg ($109/per, after rebate).
I figured $20 was worth not having to wait till (probably) after Christmas to get them.
Shall return in a few hours- Jeebus willing- with some preliminary thoughts...

Snee

12-19-2009, 07:42 PM

I just used some deltaco bracket things for mounting 2.5" drives I got when I bought the drives, and put the drives where the regular hds go in an aegis. (Mounting them the way they were supposed to be mounted didn't work with ssds, but flipping the brackets around worked well.) May post pics later of that, if I can find my phone cable. The raven will have to wait though, it's back in my apartment in the city, over 20 miles away.

I kind of like clocker's idea, though, people say ssds are supposed to develop some heat, like ram, but I've never really seen it (granted, there are two 92mm fans blowing straight at my hd bay), so strapping them to a flat surface with velcro sounds ideal to me. Maybe the side of my 5.25" bays. They'll take up less room, whilst looking pretty.

EDit: Balls, I just picked up the new graphics card, an evga gt 240 intended for dedicated physx. It came with a green pcb, not a black one like in the picture :fist:

At least the fan controller they sent me was black, I'd have been even more annoyed if I'd gotten the blue one, again.

Deltaco!?
http://www.driveintheatre.com/evilsam/ff/deltaco.jpg

I'm confused.

As far as the GFX card goes you could order the GTX 275 backplate and mod it fairly easily as I did to fit. I have the 260 so it mostly fit other than some screw holes lining up. There's a saying" Pics or it never happened" ;)

I'll make sure to post some pics once I've got the damned cable.

Don't think I'll need a backplate or anything anyhow, it won't be visible through the window, it'll be sitting too far to the back of the case. And I'm generally not that bothered with colour-matching my stuff, just wanted the black pcb for symmetry, I guess.

As for Deltaco, the firm bearing that name in Scandinavia is a whole different animal. They import and rebrand some computer stuff, and for some of it they just act as a reseller. I expect that which they elect to do for a specific part depends on what brand it was to begin with. IE: my 2.5"-mounts were probably noname stuff (which doesn't matter much when it's just bits of steel).

Detale

12-20-2009, 01:01 AM

Hey bud what do you mean by backplane? If you mean the IO area I think I'm going to use something easy like this. Modified a bit OC

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8124/mobotraya10010646912.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/mobotraya10010646912.jpg/)

I am looking at places that do water jet cutting in my area and i plan on doing a side window i haven't seen before. it's going to be pretty cool :) I hope. Another idea with a setup like this i could mount the MObo tray using the backpiece and installing some "slider" top and bottom rails like in the Tj-07 case. Hey the Mobo could even be removable. HEY I think that'll work This is the piece I mean

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6564/img2065vb.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/img2065.jpg/)

clocker

12-20-2009, 01:05 AM

Right, that's what I figured.
So, if you have to buy the whole tray, why seperate the board mount off it?
Why not just use the whole thing?

Detale

12-20-2009, 01:29 AM

That's what I meant. This way the Mobo will be removable just like the Tj-07 mounted to the back of the case with screws and the "sliders on top and bottom. This would eliminate having to do anything with the current standoffs :)

clocker

12-20-2009, 01:53 AM

You'll still want to break them off, I think.

Detale

12-20-2009, 06:02 AM

Yeah I started to already. I'm leaving some on for now just in case. I'm going to start a new thread on it as well. with some prelim pics :)

clocker

12-20-2009, 01:23 PM

So that "bend 'em and snap 'em off" technique actually works?

Good to know.

Detale

12-20-2009, 05:33 PM

It;s more of a very simply twisting motion, but yeah it's VERY easy to remove em. the only thing is it leaves a slight pot hole there I have yet to deal with. I'm thinking bond-o

Detale

01-06-2010, 01:45 AM

clocker

01-06-2010, 03:00 AM

I hear this air cooling thing is really taking off...

Detale

01-06-2010, 03:54 AM

Thanks dude, I really needed a laugh. Seriously though this is fucked up like. It's been a month now and all was well. I just kept thinking Oh god not my ssd's $400 down the tubes, ATM they are sitting on the bottom of the case on their sides until the brackets arrive. this just sucks donkey ass.

clocker

01-06-2010, 01:05 PM

Unless water got to the connector area I don't think the SSDs would care if they got wet.
Not really something I feel like testing though.

I've never been a fan of bay reservoirs and have only used the Swiftech Micro rez lately.
It's small, it's simple, it's watertight.

That last feature might interest you, D.

Snee

01-06-2010, 09:09 PM

Ready? annnnnnnnnd go.

SON OF A BITCH BASTARD MOTHER FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT COCK SUCKING ROTTEN ASSHOLE FUCK!!! Whew, well you may have already guesses that I have a leak....again....from the same shitty res....... on the same shitty side as last time. I have no idea what happened other to say that it spontaniously sprung a leak. I was walking by the computer and noticed that my res level was waay too low. I couldn't find a leak at all All I saw was a tiny puddle at the bottom of the case with no clue as to where it was coming from. I refilled the res and it was leaking from the same damn XSPC res on the same side no less. Not exactly the same place this time though. it was more in the middle. As I went to move it a drop must have hit my sunbeam controller the wrong way and POP! one of my controllers is out now as well. So I shut her off and removed my SSD's toots sweet and here I am back on the HTPC. This all happened as I was floating on the proverbial cloud as I just got some great news that I am starting work tomorrow on a new job. So I have to get up at 5AM and it's now 9pm so I can't fix it tonight damnit, not that I could anyway as I'm not going to use any more XSPC products. I am going to write to PPCS and see if the will give me some kid of store credit or something. I'll update later.

FUCK!!!!

Anyone know of a good dual bay res?? Shit now I'm going to have to reroute my tubes and pumb placement again. Probably have to order more tubing as well damnit.

heh. I've been off forums since new year's eve. This is the first thread I've clicked on, anywhere, since then, and that post was the first thing that caught my eye.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!½.

Also, if it were me, and I tried my hand at water cooling, and had that snazzy corsair case of yours, I'd go for an external reservoir. Doesn't it even come predrilled for mounting a res outside? I know it has holes for the tubing, anyhow.

Wouldn't that kind of prevent it from leaking on something important inside of the case?

On another note, I moved all my stuff out of the aegis and into that raven I mentioned, did it last night/this morning, in one continuous session.

I dunno how the fuck it happened, but I think it took over eight hours.

Also, since misery loves company and all: My favourite bit was finding out that "oh shit, I've wedged the the cables for the i/o-shield el, and the lcd poster underneath the mobo", right as I'd gotten nearly everything mounted. Had pick everything apart again, only to find Id removed the lcd poster entirely and put it away, and the other cable needn't have been sorted :dabs:

Everything is looking good now, though, though I might redo some of the cabling, mostly out of ocd since it's hidden anyhow.

Anyways, to get back on track: I wouldn't worry too much about the ssds getting wet, like clocker says. I'm half sure they can even survive a brief soak, assuming you let them dry out properly before testing them again.

Shame about the controller though.

Was the computer running while it was puddling up?

And congratulations on getting a new job.

Detale

01-07-2010, 12:02 AM

Snee pics,pics,pics on the new case. If no camera then draw some.

The 800D does have mounting holes for an external Rad but I suppose it wouldn't be that hard to rig something up for a res. I did send PPC's an email about the situation and their initial reply was to ask what fluid I am using. Good thing I am using distilled thiis time so that rules out a corrosive fluid problem. I was 1 sec away from replying "battery acid!" when he asked. Hopefully they can do something to help here.

The new job an am VERY grateful for but I am working outside in 30 degree weather all day and alas I am exhausted and even though I have to do something with the leaker in my hallway and 2 unopened newegg boxes sit next to it with parts for the g5 project I can't do anything tonight. I'm going to shoot for tomorrow and I will have some pics up then.

Also Snee what is СннЫ?

clocker

01-07-2010, 12:08 AM

Detale

01-07-2010, 02:57 AM

Actually I was Detale-ing it. ..Get it! HA! I'll be here all week, try the veal.

clocker

01-07-2010, 03:00 AM

And tip your waitress.

Snee

01-07-2010, 05:59 PM

Also, if it were me, and I tried my hand at water cooling, and had that snazzy corsair case of yours, I'd go for an external reservoir. Doesn't it even come predrilled for mounting a res outside? I know it has holes for the tubing, anyhow.

Typically Snee, you'd see the radiator mounted externally...not the rez.
There's no particular reason that the reservoir is more likely to leak than any other part.

I dunno mang, I've seen a couple of really neat builds with huge reservoirs outside of the case.

I'm no expert though, so maybe that's just stupid. Just thought it looked really cool.

And, Detale: I'll try and take some pics, just need to get hold of a cable for either of my phones so I can get them uploaded.

One's at work, I think, and the other is somewhere else :dabs:

СннЫ was something I just put there when I was bored - I ran 'SnnY' (my old name on here) through babelfish or something and it spat out that. I'd have written it 'СннИ', but what I know of the cyrillic alphabet is getting pretty rusty.

It's -23c here, btw. I'd rather have your weather.

clocker

01-07-2010, 07:37 PM

I dunno mang, I've seen a couple of really neat builds with huge reservoirs outside of the case.

Oh, I don't doubt that at all.

Snee

01-07-2010, 11:06 PM

Orite, you said 'Typically'.

Hard of thinking today.

I was about to reply 'No, I'm serious, and look at this: http://forums.vr-zone.com/hardware-arena/17620-watercooling-huge-external-reservoir.html'

Then I realised you weren't telling me it wasn't something anyone should do.

EDit:

Oh, this was a new one.

My fully legal Windows 7 just told me I might be using an illegitimate copy after a reboot.

It's still activated and everything, so nothing's broken. But the funny thing was that I was just looking at a site with a loader for win 7 before rebooting.

Detale

01-09-2010, 04:16 AM

Yeah I'm still waiting to see if PPCs will help me by taking one of these crappy res's back or what. I have some new fans to install etc. Just too tired as of now. Maybe next weekend like.

clocker

01-09-2010, 06:13 AM

Yeah buddy, I'll bet PPC can't wait to get another defective piece of merchandise back on the shelf.

What's with "new fans"?
History tells us that your machine will die of water inhalation long before it overheats, so aren't fans kind of gilding the lily?

Detale

01-09-2010, 11:32 PM

Yeah I just need something for the rear exhaust that had some more kick. I wasn't sure that the stock corsair fans were cutting it.

PPcs said I will be contacted by the manufacturer for another replacement, but fuck that. I mean would you put a third res in there after all the hassle?

clocker

01-10-2010, 12:07 AM

I wouldn't have put the first one in there.

Detale

01-10-2010, 11:33 PM

Touche, but if you did would you accept a third one and put it in or go a different route?

clocker

01-10-2010, 11:49 PM

The road less traveled.
Either the Swiftech micro rez or an EK multi-option.

Detale

01-11-2010, 02:31 AM

I have the EK multi you recommended way back when, but I do like the swiftech one as well.

Also I was thinking that maybe the PT nuke I've been using may have something to do with my leaks after getting an email from the XAPC rep again saying

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:45 PM, dazhong <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Sean

I am very sorry that our products brought your trouble. 2 of them leaked is weird. We do want to solve this problem. We can send you the replacement again.

We did many tests when you told us this issue. We boiled the res to 100C in water and colded it in refrigerator to under -10C. We did not get any leaking here. Also, we have lots of the reservoirs runing in the endusers' PCs for long time. Be Honesty, we did have few leaking reported. But we found the problem was the additivities mainly, that is what we can not control. We do hope you can try the reservoir again. Do you think you can accept it? So needless to say I don't know what to do. I did da Google and no info I could find would point to PT nuke being a problem eating plastics.

clocker

01-11-2010, 06:12 AM

Run straight distilled water.

I've yet to see evidence of anything growing in my systems.

Detale

01-12-2010, 04:17 AM

Was thinking the same thing bud. Something dawned on me just now and it's probably another dumb question in the line of dumb questions, but do you think it would be possible/ok to run two loops through 1 res without adverse affects?

clocker

01-12-2010, 02:24 PM

Sure, why not?
In fact, I think the whole thing makes more sense with ONE pump and rez anyway.

Since they're already in place, you can keep the two rads but the second pump is just complicating things for a minimal benefit.

Detale

01-12-2010, 05:15 PM

Really!? you think one pump would be OK? Hmmm this puts a new spin on things, I've been debating getting a new pump for the G5 build but if I could get away with one pump I could use the other one there. Also I was looking at it yesterday and noticed that they sent me the wrong pump I have one 350 and one 355 pump so I could use the more powerfull one with the 800D. How should this thing be looped then??

Something like:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3367/newidea.jpg
(http://img194.imageshack.us/i/newideav.jpg/)

clocker

01-12-2010, 07:57 PM

Why so complex?
Follow the yellow line...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/newidea1.png

Detale

01-12-2010, 10:58 PM

I just figured the heat from the gpu and nb wouldnt cool the cpu all that well. I thought it better to run the water through the rads to "plit things up"

clocker

01-12-2010, 11:24 PM

Only one way to tell.

Detale

01-13-2010, 12:29 AM

LOL, I guess. Maybe I'll have time this weekend. That is if I have enough tubing :dabs:

clocker

01-13-2010, 12:44 AM

My loop design should use much less tubing than yours.

So there.

Detale

01-13-2010, 12:50 AM

well....not much less.

clocker

01-13-2010, 12:57 AM

Define "much", please.

My loop doesn't wander willy-nilly all over the terrain like a drunken Sherpa.

suprafreak6

01-13-2010, 08:23 AM

i missed clocker

clocker

01-14-2010, 12:51 AM

Me too.

Bastard owes me money.

Detale

01-14-2010, 03:24 AM

Well I'm home for a few days and it looks like PPcs is going to get me a credit for the res from XSPC so i'll be in the market for a new res :) I think Im going to work on the g5 while I can.

Snee

01-16-2010, 05:32 PM

Bit off-track this, but how do you like your s-flexes, and do you have any idea how they compare to GTs?

Swapped out all my noctuas for some GT 1450s, chasing a better noise:cfm-ratio, and was wondering if there's an advantage to using yours instead.

I heard somewhere they might do better lying down.

Detale

01-16-2010, 09:28 PM

I love the S-flex fans, quiet easy to clean and push a good amount of air. I still have the original ones I started with and they still work fine. I have one laying down I couldn't tell if it performs better or not though. I've never had GT fans at all so I haven't a clue on them. I did get a few of these ENERMAX MAGMA (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214001)for the g5 build (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214001)and I have read RAVE reviews for the enermax cluster (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=36_69&products_id=23563)series fans. These new Enermax apollish (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=36_69&products_id=23563) fans seem to have even better specs that the cluster ones.
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214001)

Snee

01-17-2010, 03:59 PM

Mine, or the 1850s generally turn up as one out of two recommended buys in tests, can't remember what the other kind is. Sharkoons, probably.

Thanks for the tip on the Enermaxes, though, I'll keep an eye out.

Hereabouts, most of the time, there's not much to choose from. Crappy transparent akasas or sunbeams, too low rpm nexus ones, noctua flxs, or fractal designs (also too low rpm). Was pretty chuffed just finding the Gentle Typhoons. Found some S-Flexs after at the same place, but I figure I'll see if the GTs make a lot of noise (thus far that's not been a problem) or give me any issues, if they do, the S-Flexes are a contender, then.

One minor annoyance is that the GTs pretty much keep a consistent decibel level all the way from 5v to 12v. Played me a low note at max, but other than that, they don't change much. The noctuas went from nothing to a bit of a whoosh.

This isn't really a problem, per se, but I like cranking up the controller to max and hearing them work :(

Detale

01-17-2010, 06:05 PM

Oh dude I don't know what I was thinking yesterday. I had 2 GT's in my tj07 build 92mm. Yeah they were good also, not much difference really between t hem and the Sflex's. I never really had much success with the fan controller anyway. My kids just loooove the dials and constantly turn them off. And OC I only notice when my computer Bsods from t he lack of airflow. Recently its been a water drop hitting it and frying one of the channels so I'm down to 3.

Detale

02-04-2010, 11:59 PM

Well it seems just recently I finished my previous build :P

Anyway, after the leak I just couldn't throw in another XSPC res (3rd one). So I went with the EK spin bay res in black ;) I love the way it looks so far. Now I happened across some money for a new build and I got myself a new 1156 system. I went with the core I7 (1156) CPU and the EVGA P55 FTW SLI 132-LF-E657-KR (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188056&cm_re=evga_ftw-_-13-188-056-_-Product)Mobo and 8 gigs of Dominator Ram ;) Damn sexy looking.

Mobo:
http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/2489/moboftw.jpg

Now a problem that I noticed after I got it home was that there are only 6 SATA ports :frusty: This means I need a recommendation on a decent SATA controller please.

So you'll have to forgive the crappy pics as I only had my camera phone as I can't find the camera again(kids) so these will have to do for now.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3046/10601652149215.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7451/10601682192027.jpg
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6028/10601672184244.jpg

EK spin res
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8108/10601692204021.jpg

The board did come with an additional piece that I have no idea what it is for :huh:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8618/10601782242832.jpg
It has an odd sized ribbon cable that connects to the board here
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1825/10601792248683.jpg

Now I imagine it's some kind of controller but it's purpose is no where in the manual. Only where to plug it in. I haven't really tried to track down what it does yet.

Now you'll notice in some of the pics that the mobo has mounting holes for BOTH lga 775 and 1156 CPU cooling solutions! The problem is that the behing the CPU is a block for the Chip mount that prevents the original 775 mounting for my Apogee GTZ from being useable. I have to order the new improved model which is shaped like a rectangle. But for that I will just order the newer universal mounting kit.The difference is subtle but there.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/976/sidebyside.jpg
So I need the one with the elongated holes.

I also got some new Enzotech compression fittings. Damn cheap on newegg $5 each compared to $13+ everywhere else for BP or koolance ones.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4251/10601702210346.jpg

Yeah I will try and find the camera and take some better shots tonight ;)

Detale

02-05-2010, 02:19 PM

Well no camera yet, still MIA. I did order the propper hold down and backplate so I have to wait for that to get here now damnit! Also I ordered the EK White pump top (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=26235) to snazz things up since you'll see the pumps now. also I painted the pump bottoms white.
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4353/whitepumptop.jpg

Also I may need some more sleeving before I am done. We'll see

Snee

02-06-2010, 09:04 AM

The board did come with an additional piece that I have no idea what it is for :huh:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8618/10601782242832.jpg
It has an odd sized ribbon cable that connects to the board here
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1825/10601792248683.jpg

Now I imagine it's some kind of controller but it's purpose is no where in the manual. Only where to plug it in. I haven't really tried to track down what it does yet.

It's called ECP v2. It's used for overclocking.

I have something similar on my asus RIIE, (not an addon, though, the buttons are directly on the mobo) but I've never used it. AFAIK it changes the same settings you do through your BIOS otherwise, with less information to work with :idunno:

Detale

02-06-2010, 05:33 PM

I have the same buttons on the Mobo as well but I have to research their exact doings so I don't blow anything up.

Detale

02-08-2010, 11:56 PM

I finally got the pump tops I have been waiting for but I'm still waiting on some other goodies. Some updated pics

The EK res
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8108/10601692204021.jpg

The pumps with the tops on.
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9774/dsc041121406718.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8946/dsc041161416081.jpg
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3305/dsc041171426538.jpg

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/495/dsc041211257527.jpg

I used a small 1/4" round aluminum "dowel" I have dubbed the Clocker special ;) to brace the tubing out enough so I can hang it there to cut down on vibration.
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4654/dsc041221264980.jpg

Also i think I am going to throw the multi option up top there and see what I can come up with
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9716/dsc041241277847.jpg

I'm thinking it will line up pretty well
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4420/dsc041251286438.jpg
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8391/dsc041261296354.jpg

Got the Ek spin in as well. think looks good in this case
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2663/dsc041291323081.jpg

clocker

02-09-2010, 12:41 AM

Why would you want/need a second rez?
Looks like a big air trap up there to me.

Detale

02-09-2010, 02:28 AM

I am still unsure if I am going to do a dual loop or single loop with two pumps. This build I plan on cooling the CPU Vid card and Ram I have the 2 rads the 3.120 and a 1.120. Do you think I could cool all 3 with 1 rad? If so I could save some headache.

clocker

02-09-2010, 03:11 AM

Yeah, this thing started out way too complicated...make it as simple as you can.

BTW, clocker can't decide if he's insulted or flattered by the "clocker mod".
Leaning towards "weirded out" ATM but that could change.

Detale

02-09-2010, 03:16 AM

LOL, I basically lifted your HDD cage idea bud. You gave me the idea ages ago. What is the "Simple" you speak of?

clocker

02-09-2010, 03:27 AM

One pump, one rad, one reservoir.

Add a maraschino cherry and you have the perfect Manhattan.

Wait...

Detale

02-09-2010, 02:58 PM

Think you may be right bud...again. Damn don't you get tired of that?

clocker

02-09-2010, 03:54 PM

No.

Detale

02-09-2010, 06:20 PM

Damn your genius, damn it to hell!

I think I am still going to try and sneak in a 2nd pump in the middle of the line though. Initial reports are suggesting that it may help a bit.

clocker

02-10-2010, 04:14 AM

I think I am still going to try and sneak in a 2nd pump in the middle of the line though. Initial reports are suggesting that it may help a bit.
Ok, that's a valid experiment.
To make it work though you have to start with one pump, gather data to set a baseline then add the second pump.

Otherwise your opinion about double pumps will only rise to a "suggestion", subject to debate.

Just to make all this even more interesting, what kind of target temps have you set?
If one pump gets you "X" temp, how much lower does the second pump have to pull down the heat to justify the extra complexity/expense?

Detale

02-10-2010, 05:16 PM

No need for me to expeiment. Over at XtremeSys they have been talking about this for a while.Apparently against what I believe it does in fact work out better. Like I said it makes no sense to me whatsoever but I trust the guy Skinnee and his Lab tests. (http://skinneelabs.com/58.html)He did a great rad comparison as well.

As far as the extra complexity you know I love it complicated and the expense doesn't really count as I have the pump already :P.

clocker

02-10-2010, 05:47 PM

Oh, I have no doubt there is some improvement, the question is, how much?
Every extra connection is one more potential failure point.

Detale

02-10-2010, 05:52 PM

Good point. I think the 2nd pump increases the head pressure and flowrate. I may start later today constructing the loop in this fashion

Res>1stpump>CPU>Ram>320rad>2ndpump>GPU>120rad>Res

Now I won't have my Rad block for about another 2-3 weeks or so :frusty: but I think for now I'm just going to throw a temp piece in there ( maybe an old NB/SB block) just so I can get going with this thing already.

clocker

02-10-2010, 05:56 PM

What's a "rad block"?

Detale

02-10-2010, 05:58 PM

it's something an idiot types because his kids are jumping all over him ;)

Ram Block
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8319/mch42500897429.jpg

clocker

02-10-2010, 06:36 PM

You're going to watercool the edge of the memory sticks?

I am simultaneously repulsed and intrigued.

Mostly repulsed.

Detale

02-10-2010, 09:02 PM

Sorry I should have explained. These are made specifically for Dominator ram. You remove the top fins from the ram and screw this down in its place across whatever sticks you may have. In my case there are 4 sticks of 2 GB each. It uses the aluminum stock sink in conjunction with this. Thinking of it now I will probably have to use thermal paste between the two right? found a pic of it...

http://mips-computer.com/images/mch2250.jpg

Detale

02-12-2010, 02:02 AM

OK so here is where I'm at now.
I flipped the top360 rad and mounted the 120 to it.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5009/dsc041588649713.jpg

I did use some black tubing to try and hide it in the shadows a bot
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/135/dsc041538613249.jpg

This is what I came up with for using both pumps in tandem
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5126/dsc041468546594.jpg
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8426/dsc041498575151.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4465/dsc041488565757.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6226/dsc041478555658.jpg

Here's a shot of my new Apogee GTZ 1156 mounting plate in white ;)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3674/dsc041508585239.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6609/dsc041598658850.jpg

My OCZ SSD's :)
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/156/dsc041558626501.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4800/dsc041548620322.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8869/flipp0366606.jpg

I still have to change the hoses on the Vid card and some other things, more to come soon ;)

clocker

02-12-2010, 05:55 AM

The white is interesting, almost pretty.
The contrast is striking.

What is holding the levitating pump?

Detale

02-12-2010, 06:23 AM

Thanks so much man, that means alot coming from you. Well when I first started a really nice guy had told me to "hang the pump to reduce vibration and noise" so the top pump is hanging from the res and I added a piece of round aluminum to keep the arch the way I needed it to be so the pump would stay somewhat level.
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4654/dsc041221264980.jpg

The bottom pump is levitating too but I just cut a piece of petras gel stuff about 1/4" X 1" and stuck it towards the back of the pump, you cant see it but it does keep it elevated slightly and lets the fan cool it off a touch as well :)

I do have a small update:
I redid the tubes on the Gpu cooler and changed them to white and I think this will be the final tube routing.
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9708/whitegpu6001451.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4061/sofar5975895.jpg

The white look even better in person bud :)

Detale

02-22-2010, 06:12 AM

After what feels like a year of waiting I FINALLY got my Mips ram cooler. I have to sy the thing is bad ass! I know that it's not necessary to water cool the ram, but for the bling effect this works perfectly. Here she is.
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9398/dsc042857564680.jpg

I couldn't wait to throw some compression fittings on her
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3033/dsc042867574365.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3970/dsc042877583829.jpg

Here's the rig ready for a 24 hour leak test :)
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1430/dsc042917626434.jpg
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6069/dsc042947656767.jpg
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7462/dsc042937646446.jpg

Here's a shot of the lighting ;) converterless of course
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4305/dsc043027720807.jpg
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6281/dsc043007703872.jpg

I installed a tiny switch for the lights through one of the holes under the I/O panel and that worked out well
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7930/dsc043057748639.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3666/dsc043067760423.jpg

I was concerned about the xigmatek fans looking odd when replacing my custom painted ones, but after seeing them I love em.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6176/dsc042967676373.jpg

This is exactly how they look, not a camera blur
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7476/dsc043087779033.jpg

My SSD's will look like this once I finish their mount
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5844/dsc042897603541.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5885/dsc042887594732.jpg

Another LED I added for my babies :)
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3097/dsc043047738424.jpg
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8554/dsc043037728687.jpg

j2k4

02-22-2010, 10:51 AM

It looks like a fancy device for Pasteurizing milk, D.

But, then, what do I know.

clocker

02-22-2010, 12:44 PM

Very interesting.

I think the loop would look better (and make more sense thermally) if you went from the outlet of the CPU to the lower MIPS fitting and out the top of the MIPS straight into the rad.
Maybe.

Detale

02-23-2010, 12:44 AM

It looks like a fancy device for Pasteurizing milk, D.

But, then, what do I know.
Who said it isn't!?

Very interesting.

I think the loop would look better (and make more sense thermally) if you went from the outlet of the CPU to the lower MIPS fitting and out the top of the MIPS straight into the rad.
Maybe.

I know bud, I tried that but it won't make the turn there unless I order another 45 fitting and I am NOT waiting another week and a half :P

clocker

02-23-2010, 01:47 AM

OK then.

Carry on.

Detale

02-24-2010, 03:12 AM

Does that mean you like it or what? You're a hard one to read.

clocker

02-24-2010, 05:24 AM

I admit to being ambivalent...not about the execution, which is fine but I'm still not convinced that two pumps and two rads are doing you any good.

Yeah, I know- all the cool kids on Xtreme are doing it and I imagine there is even some hard data in support of the complexity but I'm still partial to a simpler, more elegant approach even if it sacrifices a few degrees of performance.

But that's just me and I'm getting to be an old fogey.
You are the cutting edge and I applaud your effort.

Detale

02-25-2010, 02:38 AM

LOL, Thanks. I will admit I feel even after reading the data myself that it still seems like it doesn't work and I am not about to drain and test it out myself. I think this rig is actually pretty simple though.

BTW "getting to be"? C'mon now oldie lox.

clocker

02-25-2010, 01:55 PM

"Oldie lox"?
You have a bright future writing for Jay Leno.

Detale

02-25-2010, 09:24 PM

"Oldie lox"?
You have a bright future writing for Jay Leno.
Lucky you're not bald I have a thousand of 'em ;)

clocker

02-25-2010, 11:47 PM

How do you know I'm not bald?

Go ahead, lob a few of your thousand and we'll see what happens.

Detale

02-26-2010, 01:06 AM

You posted a pic of you with sunglasses on once, remember. More like the unibomber than Telly Savalas

* Where are you from? Baldamore?
*Baldilox (-lox works with most anything)
*If you had a twin you could make an ass out of yourselves.

clocker

02-26-2010, 01:17 AM

Oh yeah, that.

I'll bet you absolutely kill your grade school audiences.

Detale

02-26-2010, 03:28 AM

Slow down bud, I'm only doing old folks homes. You remember when I came to yours :O

clocker

02-26-2010, 03:29 AM

If it didn't happen today, I don't remember.

Detale

02-26-2010, 08:43 PM

Suggestion for a new nick

*Sundialer

clocker

02-26-2010, 09:01 PM

You are dead to me.

Detale

02-27-2010, 05:15 AM

Well I still you you anyway :>P

I have a holy crap moment damnit! no not a leak but I had taken apart my apogee GTZ to rinse it out good and I forgot to put the little black insert back in. Am I fuxered here or what?

This is the piece
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3095/swiftechapogeegtzi7008.jpg

My loop is filled and I have been leak testing for 2 days now. Usually I only do it for 24hrs but I started work again and haven't had time to install win 7.

While I'm on the subject. What was I supposed to do with the SSD's again as far as formatting for a new install. Do I have to use one of those nifty tools or something? It's been so long i don't remember like.

clocker

02-27-2010, 02:44 PM

While I'm on the subject. What was I supposed to do with the SSD's again as far as formatting for a new install. Do I have to use one of those nifty tools or something? It's been so long i don't remember like.
You need to run Sanitary Erase on the drives to restore to "like new" condition.
It is a ROYAL PITA, I just did it last night.

Actually, I tried to do it and failed...finally had a friend of mine figure it out.
The only way we could get it to work was to run it within a 32 bit Vista install disk...the instructions are in the OCZ forum.

Edit: You might also want to flash to the new 1.5 firmware if you haven't already.

Detale

02-27-2010, 09:17 PM

I was going to do the 1.5 firmware. Wasn't their a vista repair disk or something to use easily?

clocker

02-28-2010, 12:59 AM

Here. (http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?69503-How-to-use-OCZ-Sanitary-Erase)

Detale

03-01-2010, 02:22 AM

Gonna try it tonight, thanks again bud

clocker

03-01-2010, 05:33 AM

Good luck and let us know how it works.

Detale

03-01-2010, 06:24 AM

Yeah, I didn't have time. Damn kids, damn work, damn life!

My new schedule is after work tomorrow.

ckrit

03-10-2010, 02:28 PM

While I'm on the subject. What was I supposed to do with the SSD's again as far as formatting for a new install. Do I have to use one of those nifty tools or something? It's been so long i don't remember like.
You need to run Sanitary Erase on the drives to restore to "like new" condition.
It is a ROYAL PITA, I just did it last night.
I did this (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-ocz-vertex-ssds-initial-results-post3382454/postcount93). You might find that easier. Dunno :idunno:

Used acronis dds10 to sort out the last issue mentioned in that post.

Detale

03-21-2010, 11:26 PM

Finally got a sec to run some tests. Here is PC pitstop.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2383/pcpitstop1.jpg

19429 3DMarks

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=13517099

clocker

03-22-2010, 11:49 AM

Beautiful.

Detale

03-22-2010, 01:48 PM

Thanks bud :)

Snee

03-22-2010, 07:04 PM

Just looking at this again, I'll probably reposition one of my ssds. Not like you at all (but your pics still gave me the idea, so that's nice), as it hit me that my way unnecessarily obstructs some air.

Also: your rig is looking pretty good. I especially like your new mobo. For my next build I may well buy evga as well.

Detale

03-22-2010, 07:36 PM

Thanks Snee. I still may manufacture some kind of fixed mount for them out of aluminum or get the ones I showed earlier I dunno yet

Snee

03-23-2010, 05:06 PM

I've just gone with velcro. Velcro ftw.

Detale

03-23-2010, 06:19 PM

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not above velcro. I have some sitting here as a backup plan just in case. 3m's best invention IMHO.

clocker

03-25-2010, 01:25 PM

How did this thread get over 14K views?

Does D. have a cadre of Korean schoolgirls robo-clicking on it?

Detale

03-25-2010, 05:48 PM

Oh the Asian fanboi's love me :) I'd say that it's mostly me editing my own posts and refreshing he page waiting for you to reply.

Also this thread was started 08-22-08 so it's had some time to mature ;)

Artemis

03-26-2010, 02:13 AM

it's mostly me editing my own posts and refreshing he page waiting for you to reply.

You sad sad man :sick:

Detale

03-26-2010, 04:35 AM

Don't act surprised. Him in this thread you in another ;)

BTW Your package was returned to me. I wrote 3001 so I'll be heading back tomorrow prob, sorry bud :(

Artemis

03-26-2010, 04:56 AM

Well anything is better than the general I.Q. of the bt section.

J-dye

03-26-2010, 10:40 AM

OK so with Clockers help I am going to attempt my first WC rig. I am going to cool the CPU and GPU when I get the stuff I will post pics OC :)

In looking at others setups to get an idea of how I want it to look I saw some great rigs so I decided to post them here.

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9696/22137382lf2.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6141/11xv9.jpghttp://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9400/14eo0.jpghttp://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7811/79528492uy1.jpghttp://steampunkworkshop.com/images/M16.jpghttp://www.envador.com/Photos/ToiletPC/ToiletPC01.JPGhttp://www.vadim.co.uk/img/news/conroe_article/IMG_5204.jpg

Wow a water cooled ram kit!?

http://www.dvhardware.net/news/gigabyte_cool_rain_memory_cooler.jpg
http://www.tomshw.it/guides/ictbusiness/business/20080311/images/Gigabyte_Cool_Rain_1.jpghttp://www.tomshw.it/guides/ictbusiness/business/20080311/images/Gigabyte_Cool_Rain.jpg

Hmmmm seems a bit much to me though.

people do that ? :O

its so awesome detale