Water cooled setup

[Detale]

OK so with Clockers help I am going to attempt my first WC rig. I am going to cool the CPU and GPU when I get the stuff I will post pics OC :)

In looking at others setups to get an idea of how I want it to look I saw some great rigs so I decided to post them here.

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9696/22137382lf2.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6141/11xv9.jpghttp://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9400/14eo0.jpghttp://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7811/79528492uy1.jpghttp://steampunkworkshop.com/images/M16.jpghttp://www.envador.com/Photos/ToiletPC/ToiletPC01.JPGhttp://www.vadim.co.uk/img/news/conroe_article/IMG_5204.jpg

Wow a water cooled ram kit!?

http://www.dvhardware.net/news/gigabyte_cool_rain_memory_cooler.jpg
http://www.tomshw.it/guides/ictbusiness/business/20080311/images/Gigabyte_Cool_Rain_1.jpghttp://www.tomshw.it/guides/ictbusiness/business/20080311/images/Gigabyte_Cool_Rain.jpg

Hmmmm seems a bit much to me though.

[clocker]

Wow a water cooled ram kit!?
Hmmmm seems a bit much to me though.
It is.
I think you'll find that assembling your first loop will be challenging enough without slathering steampunk all over it.
As with many mechanical/engineering exercises, creating the seemingly "simple" is the hardest thing to do.

I'd recommend you first install the CPU and GPU waterblocks (and the tubing that connects them), mount the motherboard in the case and then ponder the location of the rad, pump and reservoir.

[Detale]

Oh I don't think I would even want something like this IMHO I think it would be more trouble than it would be worth.

As far as the rad goes I came across these.

Siverstone RadSupport09
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/radsupport09.jpg

It allows to mount the rad on the top of the case. What do you think?

Here (http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_contents.php?pno=radsupport09&area=usa) is the product page with a flash animation showing what I mean.

But I cannot find dimensions to know if this bracket or the rad (http://www.petrastechshop.com/hwlablicegts1.html) you recommended will work this way. It seems the case has 2 fans on top but the rad is supposed to have 3. do you think it's too long to fit there?

[clocker]

What case?

[Detale]

THE (http://www.petrastechshop.com/sitjbl.html) case Silverstone Tj9

BTW does anyone know the difference between the 09 and the 10 at a glance??

Tj09
http://www.silverstonetek.com/images/products/tj09/view-5.jpg

TJ10
http://www.silverstonetek.com/images/products/tj10/tj10b-inside-structure.jpg

I cant see much of one but thought Id ask.

[clocker]

Other watercooled TJ's
-here (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=5760206)
-and here. (http://www.overclock.net/case-mod-work-logs/320131-project-monster-tj09.html)

[Detale]

One of those guys use the Rad brackets and it seems to work well.

Now my only thing is tj09 or tj10??

[Acid_death69]

here's a fair few pics to get ya w/c senses going:)

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9544/2h66dmqyx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2452/a05b3qj5df6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2577/imgp0868tr6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1217/imgp0872gf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

those setups are quite easy to do, ive helped my mate w/c his pc and it was'nt that hard.
Though they can get stupidly complicated if you want them to:wacko:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3817/aplusblackpearl06iw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Detale]

Though they can get stupidly complicated if you want them to:wacko:

Call me Dummy!!!

Im going to cool the CPU, GPU, Northbridge, southbridge, and Mosfet. 5Hit if my kid stops running around I might watercool him too!!!

The more pics the better man thanks I could use all the ideas I can get.

A very special thanks goes out to clocker for all of his ongoing help. I know I can be annoying at times with all the questions but he is always here to help.

[clocker]

I suspect that before this is done you'll hate watercooling in general and me in specific.
Your wife and kids will despise you and might well leave.
You'll have spent way more money than you thought possible and certainly more than most would consider reasonable.


Welcome to my world.

[Acid_death69]

Call me Dummy!!!

Im going to cool the CPU, GPU, Northbridge, southbridge, and Mosfet. 5Hit if my kid stops running around I might watercool him too!!!

The more pics the better man thanks I could use all the ideas I can get.

A very special thanks goes out to clocker for all of his ongoing help. I know I can be annoying at times with all the questions but he is always here to help.
Will have a nosey for more stuff to what your after:)

[Detale]

ATM Im looking into res placement and UV lighting

@Clock Dude I would NEVER get sick of you if anything it will prob be the other way around, all my pestering and questioning you, YOU should be sick of me if anything.

[Acid_death69]

what case have you got detale? also you wanting the rad external or internal?

[Detale]

I ordered the Silverstone tj07 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163067)
http://www.nzoczone.com/images/TJ07.jpghttp://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4329/tj07dt3.jpg

Not really sure yet I'm playing around with ideas until my parts come. I think I can only make the final descision when I see what it's going to look like in person. I did get it in Ferrari Red though :O

I'v been looking at as many WC rigs as I can to get more and more ideas to add a little sizzle to it. I have a few ideas in the works but I am still on the lookout.

[clocker]

I'v been looking at as many WC rigs as I can to get more and more ideas to add a little sizzle to it. I have a few ideas in the works but I am still on the lookout.
I sure hope that "a little sizzle" means clever install/better parts and not neon lights/UV coolant additives.

Just sayin....

[Detale]

Well a little UV never hurt anyone....has it? Also Are you saying coolant additives are bad?

I swear I will only install the best parts as per "the clocker code" LOL. I didn't tell you but I went with the EK res you suggested over the "snazzy" bay one I was thinking about so I picked function over flavor there.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/RES2_rev1_01.jpg

I think it will work out quite nice Thanks C


While I'm on the subject I have seen the res mounted many times over right above the pump with a short tube between the two, is this a performance thing or simply conformity??

I have also read about flushing the system especially the RAD with 2 gallons or more of distilled, is this true or overkill??

[clocker]

I've never flushed any of my new parts although I suppose it's not a bad idea.
Any additive to the distilled water you'll be using degrades the performance (and you will be using distilled water, right?).
That was one reason I suggested the black Tygon tubing...it limits the amount of light that can get to the water thus inhibiting any growth.
My systems run straight (distilled) water and I've never seen anything bad floating around.

EK actually makes a top for your pump that allows the reservoir to screw directly to the intake (here (http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=208&osCsid=d227a532937fdbb2cecc1fdc4f053a00)). The less the pump has to labor to draw fluid into the intake, the better.

[Detale]

Straight distilled huh.....Ummm yeah I was going to sure. No in all honesty I was going to get a colored water non conductive thing to happen, it sounds good to me. I know I know but I swear I was going to the the bacteria-cide or whatever also.

That is odd I was just going to ask you about this attachment that puts the res on top also but I think it makes it one piece with no hose.

XSPC Laing DDC Reservoir Pump Attachment
http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/main/ex-pmp-62_4.jpg

Yes/No??

[clocker]

Same concept, different execution.

[Detale]

I already ordered the other one, but what do you think is this as good/better/worse than a conventional Res? What about the Radiators/Reservoirs love em or hate em? Im not sure if it could do the same job as separating the two.

[clocker]

Don't know what a "Radiator/Reservoir" is.

You've got real nice stuff ordered already.
Why not just set it up and see how it goes?

[Detale]

Yeah Im not saying Im going all crazy changing my stuff, just curious to see which you thought was better.

Rad/Res I imagine its a radiator with a section of the inside used as a RES. Frozen has a whole section of them here (http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g30/c95/s708/list/p1/Liquid_Cooling-Radiators_Shrouds-RadiatorReservoir_Combo-Page1.html?id=4SM38BI5&mv_pc=870), they appear to look like regular Rad's.


The MCR120-QP (Quiet Power™) series radiators are heavy-duty liquid-to-air heat exchanger designed to be used with 120mm class fans, and specifically engineered for high-end liquid cooled personal computers. The Quiet Power™ technology is the result of months of research and development focused on optimizing thermal performance and audible noise characteristics with low to medium airflow types of fans.
The MCR120 -QP heat exchangers have been engineered to meet today's PC industry highest thermal loads, quality standards, and low noise requirements at competitive prices.
The MCR120-QP Res version has built-in 3/8" barbs, and an integrated reservoir sufficient for years of operations without coolant refills.
Combine your radiator and res with this unit to save room in your chassis!!

http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/main/ex-rad-125.jpg

[clocker]

Oh.
A rad with a slightly oversized end tank and a fillport.
Only useful if the rad is placed with the fillport in an accessible place.

[Detale]

I know I asked this already in a PM but are you sure this res will not work horizontally??
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/RES2_rev1_01.jpg

[clocker]

It will hold water, yes.
It will not be as efficient separating out the air bubbles.

[Detale]

Hmmmm but what if one of the barbs faces up and is connected to a fillport?? Wouldn't the air head up the tube away from the main chamber?

[Acid_death69]

I ordered the Silverstone tj07 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163067)
http://www.nzoczone.com/images/TJ07.jpghttp://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4329/tj07dt3.jpg

Not really sure yet I'm playing around with ideas until my parts come. I think I can only make the final descision when I see what it's going to look like in person. I did get it in Ferrari Red though :O

I'v been looking at as many WC rigs as I can to get more and more ideas to add a little sizzle to it. I have a few ideas in the works but I am still on the lookout.
ive seen someone mount a w/c kit in that let me find the pic:)

kk found something like it, obv it's not your case it's an antec p182, but the principle will be the same.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5141/imgp0223go4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1766/imgp0220ct3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4264/imgp0208ty7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/9499/imgp0201of0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6308/imgp0170tp5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4097/imgp0158mm4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

hope this helps, will keep looking cos im sure ive seen someone w/c that case!

Found it, soprry i could'nt get no pics of the rad:( but this should give you some indication of where things can go:)
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8906/img4406gd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/597/img4418dz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

some more
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2034/dscf00062es4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/9775/dscf00091jm3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[clocker]

Hmmmm but what if one of the barbs faces up and is connected to a fillport?? Wouldn't the air head up the tube away from the main chamber?
You could try it and see.

Edit: In fact, you'll be doing a lot of "try it and see"-ing.
Avoid making any permanent alterations till you're pretty sure things are where they should be.

It should be pretty obvious by now that I'm not really a fan of the horizontal rez layout but my reasoning would be hard to describe well in words, so it's better you see for yourself and reach your own conclusions.
I will tell you that with the stuff you've already ordered- assuming it's assembled/installed properly- you should be able to fill and bleed the loop in under five minutes.

[Detale]

I did see it somewhere else but the guy doesn'y know if it will work either, I am pretty sure my idea will though. TBH I don't know what the fuck I'm really talking about but I think I have a good concept of water flow. So I guess we'll see.

Credit to TurtleTrax for this awesome Rig

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/turtletrax/DSC_0001-1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/turtletrax/DSC_0003.jpg

@ Acid I don't see where the RES is mounted sideways in those pics?

[clocker]

I already see two things I don't like about that system.
Did he finish setting it up like that?

[Acid_death69]

all the res's are mounted in the driver bays in the orange case you can see it in the second pic if you look at the pair of barbs at the top there's the res. In the antec case it's in the same place:)

[Detale]

I already see two things I don't like about that system.
Did he finish setting it up like that?


No its a work log and he isn't finished yet.

[Acid_death69]

have you got any of your stuff yet detale?

[clocker]

... its a work log and he isn't finished yet.
OK, while he's finishing up- and before you even start- let me give you something to think about...

While you're filling the system through those cool roofmounted fillports (presumably using a funnel), as the water flows down to the reservoirs where is the air in the system going?

[Acid_death69]

OK, while he's finishing up- and before you even start- let me give you something to think about...

While you're filling the system through those cool roofmounted fillports (presumably using a funnel), as the water flows down to the reservoirs where is the air in the system going?
I was thinking about that, you dont wanna get air in your pump. You want something like your rad or the res to be the highest that way the air can go to that and not your pump.

Before actually putting the w/c with your rig, what i would do is build it then test it out side your case, get all the bubbles out and make sure there aint no leaks:)

[Detale]

Good point guys, I am deff going to set this up outside the case for testing. How long a test do you recommend? I have read 1-36 hours so I imagine it's when you feel comfortable, but what do you think?

As far as filling I think if I fill the system when its upright and work the air bubbles out then with no air in the res I can leave around an inch of air in the fillport hose at the very top. I plan on making a mark so I can monitor if I am losing fluid.then when I have to fill it I can do so very slowly so that it pretty much trickles down the side of the tube the air can escape as the fluid goes in. What do you think??

In my mind the rad will be on the same bottom level with the pump and the res will be higher than both. The CPU and Mosfet blocks will be the highest poinst just under the fillport.

[clocker]

Good point guys, I am deff going to set this up outside the case for testing. How long a test do you recommend? I have read 1-36 hours so I imagine it's when you feel comfortable, but what do you think?

As far as filling I think if I fill the system when its upright and work the air bubbles out then with no air in the res I can leave around an inch of air in the fillport hose at the very top. I plan on making a mark so I can monitor if I am losing fluid.then when I have to fill it I can do so very slowly so that it pretty much trickles down the side of the tube the air can escape as the fluid goes in. What do you think??

In my mind the rad will be on the same bottom level with the pump and the res will be higher than both. The CPU and Mosfet blocks will be the highest poinst just under the fillport.
Setting it up outside the case is not necessary and in some ways self-defeating.
I've NEVER done that.

What you want to do is build it in place, fill with water and then bleed/test it with a separate PSU...i.e., the electronics are not powered on.
I usually test for 15-20 minutes then hook the pump to the real PSU and go from there.
If the reservoir is the highest point in the loop, you only need fill it @2/3 full.

[Detale]

Hmmm well then that does give me another idea still horizontal ;) but higher. I cant freaking wait until my parts get here. Supposed to be here Tue. next week

[clocker]

We're all excited.
Probably not as much as you, but excited nonetheless.

[Detale]

LOL, you guys are the best!

[clocker]

It's always fun to watch somebody else spend money.

[Acid_death69]

lol aint it just, cant wait to see it all come together. can't believe how long it's taking to get to you:\ when did you order the gear?

[Detale]

lol aint it just, cant wait to see it all come together. can't believe how long it's taking to get to you:\ when did you order the gear?

I ordered the stuff from Petra's and from Performance PC on Tuesday the 26th and it should all be here by Tue next week.

I did get 1 package from Petra already but nothing cool in there I got some of their "gel Stuff" looks like a good idea and some IC Diamond 24k Thermal compound to try out :) nothing that cool though sorry Until Tue that is

[Acid_death69]

ah well, we shall have to wait. You'll have to do a build log and take photo's fella:)

[Detale]

Oddly after I posted the last comment I checked the tracking numbers and it turned out 1 package was already here at my local FedEx station. I called and went to pickit up ASAP, the wife thought I was nuts but I had to.

I got the
XSPC Laing DDC-1T/1TPlus MCP-350/355 Acrylic Replacement Top w/ LED Port
for my pump

http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/main/ex-pmp-52.jpg

And the EK res:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/RES2_rev1_01.jpg

In the instructions it says it can be mounted vertical or horizontally and I have some sdea what I want to do will work now :)

[Acid_death69]

oooooooooooooh pretty:drool:


Oddly after I posted the last comment I checked the tracking numbers and it turned out 1 package was already here at my local FedEx station. I called and went to pickit up ASAP, the wife thought I was nuts but I had to.

I got the
XSPC Laing DDC-1T/1TPlus MCP-350/355 Acrylic Replacement Top w/ LED Port
for my pump

http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/main/ex-pmp-52.jpg

And the EK res:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/RES2_rev1_01.jpg

In the instructions it says it can be mounted vertical or horizontally and I have some sdea what I want to do will work now :)
Aye the only problem i can see with mounting it vertically would air bubbles but if you get em out first then mount it that way i can't see a problem:)

[Detale]

So I brought it home and opened the box like a kid on Xmas, I take this thing out of the box and she, looking at me like I was crazy, thought I had gotten a penis pump!!! So damn funny I laughed for about an hour.

On topic:

Right AD but as long as I have a tube pointing up using one of the barbs on the "front"and tilt the res slightly upward towards that hose the air should travel up that way the right?

[Acid_death69]

yerr the air should go up there, what are you going to have coming out of the vertical barb?

[clocker]

.... as long as I have a tube pointing up using one of the barbs on the "front"and tilt the res slightly upward towards that hose the air should travel up that way the right?
You're thinking of this as a static system, which it's not.
In order to bleed the loop you'll have to switch the pump on (probably several times, in short bursts).

So, if the inlet to the reservoir is closer to the outlet than this theoretical third "air escape" barb is, any bubbles will be sucked right back into the loop with no chance to meander up and away.

Granted, some air may be separated out but you need ALL of it gone.
Even tiny little bubbles make a hell of a racket and any sloshing sounds from the rez get old quickly.

But we'll see, I suppose.

[Acid_death69]

aye im sure it'll be fine just try and get whatya can out. That pump is quite powerful so like clocker said it has to be in burst otherwise all the air will just keep going round and round.

[Detale]

I think I am prob underestimating the power of the pump by quite a bit here. OC I still have to try it cause Im a moron :) Here is my initial idea This is the closest pic IO could find to the angle I am looking for. Imagine it like this but "rolled" slightly so that the divider is horizontal to help seperate where the air is going http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4470/res2rev101ub8.jpg

EDIT: Just realized I wrote "drain pump" I meant Drain port


Now some part of me feelas this will still work out if I get the angle right also fill and bleed the system while the res is still vertical. Meh we'll see but Im sure you guys are right already again because this is my first WC rig I think I don't know shit about the power of that pump :(

I do have other questions guys please.

When I ordered the RES from Frozen the give you the option for fitting size I am going with 3/8 ID so that is what I picked but the sent me 2 sets of them both 3/8 but they look a bit different

the 1st
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/stubby_01.jpg

and the second

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/G14_HighFlow38_01.jpg

Both are Danger Den fittings,the two are the same length but one has 3 ripples and the other has just the 1 rolled edge. Which do I use and why??

Also do I need to use some sort of hose clamp or hose clip for this??

[clocker]

The two barbs are simply two designs of the same thing.
Use either or both...doesn't matter.

Yes, you'll want to use some sort of clamp.
Either a worm-drive or- my preference- a heavy duty ziptie (tightened with a ziptie "gun").

In your pic of the rez, what the hell is the "drainpump"?

[Detale]

I edited sorry I meant Drain Plug :huh:

What about these nifty things

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/CableClamp-BK_01.jpg

Uhhhh "worm drive?? Do you mean a regular hose clamp like this

http://www.virtual-hideout.net/guides/watercooling_setup_pt1/hose-clamp.gif

Looking at it now I see what you mean worm drive.

What faults do you see with the idea in the pic above man.

[clocker]

You mean besides the horizontal placement?

[Detale]

LOL Dude you know you are my "go to" guy on all things HW, I just feel like this will work. In all honesty I am starting to have my doubts like my idea of filling and bleeding it while it's vertical is now seeming like it wont work because I will have to put the hoses in their respective places and that way I will need both ends to be covered by fluid which means I will have to fill it through the fill port completely and that will take forever. Hmmm more thinking to do indeed...


On another not I am thinking of spending even more money here AHHHH!

I cant seem to find much info on it but I am thinking of WC my ram also. I can only find these two ram coolers though

1st is Koolance RAM-30-V06

http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/large/koo-52.jpg
http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/large/koo-52_3.jpg
EDIT: Found a pic of the inside :)
http://www.xoxide.com/lib/xoxide/koolance-ram-30-v06-4.jpg
And the 2nd

Thermaltake Aqua RX

http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/large/ex-blc-317.jpg
http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/large/ex-blc-317_3.jpg

Now the koolance one has what would be "bags" inside that allow the liquid to pass and cool the ram and I have read about people ripping these but then others comment that you need to remove the stock heat spreaders (voiding the warranty) for it to fit right. This seems like the better of the two as the thermaltake obviously chills the heat spreader with the pipe above it. I don't imagine this will work very well or at least not as well as having the flius passing directly over the heat source like a water block. Also the koolance only allows for 1/4" connections to it.

Question Time:
How complicated would it be to work in a 1/4" hose in my 3/8" setup?

How else could I do it? Could I use 2 "f" fittings and work it in or would this hurt the performance?

Do you guys know of another maker of a WC ram set by all means let me know.

EDIT 2:

I did find that OCZ has a ram module that comes WC ready again it only has 1/4" barbs but it's about $100 for 2 gigs
OCZ DDR2 PC2-9600 / 1200 MHz / FlexXLC Edition / Dual Channel

1200 Mhz DDRII is sounding good really good to me but I don't know if Im ready to let go of my GSkill yet.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/products/memory/b/flex1_b.jpg

Thoughts/Ideas??

[clocker]

Don't get silly.

How hot do you think your RAM is getting now?
How can you tell?
And- assuming you've decided it's running too warm- why would one of those half assed solutions be better than a simple fan blowing on it?

The point here is not to see how much money you can spend or how complex you can make this system- I don't think you realize yet (and there's really no way you could till you've done it) how much a waterloop compromises serviceability- the point is to implement an effective and silent cooling system.
You already have a more complex loop (four blocks, right?) than any I've ever tried (or found necessary)...I'd strongly recommend you get this up and running before going further.

[Detale]

Yeah , see thats why Im glad to have you to slap me when I need it bro, Thanks again.

[Acid_death69]

lol ram w/c is pretty pointless to be fair. When ive seen people doing it, i really think it more of a showy off thing 'look what i can do'. Like clocker said what you have got is pretty good and sensible:)
Have you got any more stuff today? eeeeeeeeeee i wanna see:D

[clocker]

In all honesty I am starting to have my doubts like my idea of filling and bleeding it while it's vertical is now seeming like it wont work because I will have to put the hoses in their respective places and that way I will need both ends to be covered by fluid which means I will have to fill it through the fill port completely and that will take forever. Hmmm more thinking to do indeed...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/server2.jpg
This is almost exactly how I think your rez should be mounted.
Note that it's water level is the highest point in the loop.
Also note how freakin easy it is to fill without fear of dousing any of the electronics.

This setup is even using the exact same reservoir/pump/pump top as you've got.
The pump is suspended from the bottom of the rez only by it's tubing...since there is no physical connection to the case frame, there is no vibration transferred.
The pump's bottom is also exposed...that's where all the electrics are and that's where it gets the hottest. About a year after assembly, I added a 60 to 80mm fan adaptor to the bottom of the pump with a low profile 80mm Zalman fan which blows directly onto the pump (pretty much just because I wanted to, not because I HAD to...).

This PC will be two years old in September and has run 24/7 the entire time.
It's been down once to add hard drives (now has 4 x 1TB) and the water level was topped off then (straight distilled water with a few drops of iodine).
It is easily the best loop I ever assembled, both performance and noise-wise.
Only the activity lights give away that it's even turned on.

The difference between this Stacker's layout and your new Silverstone will be minimal...your rad will sit on it's side instead of flat and the PSU will be down there as well.
The first (and pretty much only mod I'd recommend to the TJ- unless you're going to flip the motherboard tray) is cutting away most of the subfloor between the lower and main compartment.
Stock it has a few passthrough openings but they're not ideally placed for all the tubing you'll be running.
I cut one large opening from back to front and almost all side to side. The Silverstone edge protector almost covered the entirety of the new opening.
Made life a lot simpler and kept hose length to a minimum.


There...think about that.

[Acid_death69]

lol looks sweet clocker:) havent seen an updated pic of him in ages.
What temps are you getting also whats the coldest you've ever acheaved?

[clocker]

That's my old Stacker...retired when I got the TJ07.
I gave it to a friend for his birthday two years ago so I have no idea about running temps.

[Acid_death69]

ah right never mind, a very generous present to give to a friend like:)

[clocker]

He needed it, I wasn't using it.
Pretty easy.


Wish I had it back though.

[Acid_death69]

is it better than the one you have now, or do you just miss it?

[Detale]

LOL AD all my stuff should be here tomorrow, but I went downstairs before and today is Labor Day so there's usually no mail but low and behold there was!! Nothing major at all. I got a set of AC Ryan UV lights some Channel Molding for the cuts I plan to make for wire management and a few Bitspower rotary fittings Black shiny OC :)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/BP-BSLRII_01.jpg

@ Clocker what a very nice guy you are. did you already have sprocket before you gave the stacker away? Also what was thats ones name??

[Acid_death69]

awwwww ah well suppose will have to wait for tomorrow then, least the bits and bobs that you got today were all nice and shiny:p

[Detale]

Yeah but It is driving me insane. I just wants, Tomorrow is also my oldest son's first day of school so I will be staying home from work :) He is done at about 10:00 am and my UPS guy shows up around 11:00 so I will have a good part of the day to do some prelim things in my Dungeon. I still have some figuring to do but I will take tons of oversized pics and get them up here for you guys. Thanks again for all the help and support.

[Acid_death69]

lol no probs fella, pray tell why do you call your work place your dungeon lol?
Awww bless is he excited?

[Acid_death69]

lol no probs fella, pray tell why do you call your work place your dungeon lol?
Awww bless is he excited?

[Acid_death69]

lol no probs fella, pray tell why do you call your work place your dungeon lol?
Awww bless is he excited?

[Detale]

Because it's a little room in the basement where the ceiling is around 5' 6" so if I need to stand up I have to be real careful as I have cracked my head numerous times.

The big guy is so so about the whole idea of school and tomorrow he only has to be there an hour for the first "transition week" the parents have to stay in the building in case he spazes out.

[Acid_death69]

lol, what do they mean by spazes out? You looking forwad to having him outta ya hair?

[Detale]

No I mean if he freaks when he know his mom and/or I aren't in the room anymore. We will OC tell him we're going but he may not like the idea very much. We'll see I guess :)

[Acid_death69]

awwww, does it make you feel all grown up:)

[clocker]

did you already have sprocket before you gave the stacker away? Also what was thats ones name??
There is - and shall be- but one Sprocket.
She considers things like cases and waterloops to be merely emphemeral baubles , shed at will or whim (her will, my dime).
The Stacker is like an old snakeskin...it used to hold Sprocket, now it doesn't.

[Detale]

Ahh Sprocket is eternal then. What happens when you die??

[clocker]

She's on her own.

[Detale]

You selfish prick!! Use her just like a drunk girl on prom night why don't you LOL

[Acid_death69]

lmao oh yerr i can see clocker doing something like that. Also DETALE get your ass outta school and build your w/c loop i wanna see it:)

[clocker]

I expect we'll be seeing some parts pics later today.

[Detale]

LOL I am home from work today as I said I had to bring my kid to school we're home already and my UPS guy usually comes around 11:15 and now it's 11:30 and I'm all antsy I even checked if my doorbell was working right. I checked UPS.com 100 X Jesus I'm like a little kid, really I am.

Sure there will prob be a part list or at least a part layout today for sure :)

[Acid_death69]

FUCKING UPS! they should get their asses in gear 15 mins is not accpetable! giv ehtm a ring and find out where abouts it is:)

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH i wanna see:(

[Detale]

And here we begin. Thanks to all who helped me out on this forum and on others. Especially Clocker who never tires of my baragement of questions and arguments, he is an asset to the world therover. Thanks dude.



OK so finally I got my stuff and I am overjoyed and a bit overwhelmed. I honestly have been "fiddling" with my parts for about 2 hours now thinking and figuring. Trying to foresee any potential problems I may run into so I don't get stuck in the middle. As of now all looks very good.

A quick sneak peak at 1 small corner of "The Dungeon" where I do all my builds a bit messy ATM but its a controlled chaos I swear ;)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4436/dsc00458qt1.jpg

Here is the Case Silverstone Tj07 with side window.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1228/dsc00459ls0.jpg




And her all opened up and me taking the HDD cages out
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9900/dsc00457gg1.jpg


Let me say how awesome this case really is. It doesn't look that snappy in the pictures but let me tell you this thing is really classy. The brushed aluminum looks great. In addition to it looking great in person this is by FAR the best built case I have ever worked with. This is a TOP quality case you can just feel it when you get your hands on it. The rumors are true this case is great!!!

Here are some shots of the Resevoir The EK-Multioption RES 250 Rev 2

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2848/dsc00462gf2.jpg

Revision 2 as I found out has a little divider inside to separate the inlet/outlet Awesome advice Clocker thanks again soooo glad I didn't get the Bay res i first looked at.

Next up is the Radiator This is The Black Ice® GT Stealth 360 XFlow in ferrari red. This thing is huge too, I should have figured because it accepts 3 120mm fans and I happen to have some scyth s-flex's laying around I plan to use there.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4330/dsc00463rf7.jpg


It looks even better in person I have to say :)

All the waterblocks and pump layed out

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7956/dsc00467vl7.jpg

They are:
Swiftech MCP355 pump
Swiftech Apogee GTZ Cpu Block
EK-NB/SB 5 Northbridge Water Block
EK-SB GA-X38 Northbridge Water BlockEK-Mosfet GA X38/48 Mosfet Water Block
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/223/dsc00471qc0.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9328/dsc00470hq6.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2951/dsc00472zc2.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8848/dsc00474mj7.jpg

I replaced the Pump top with The Laing DDC-1T/1TPlus

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8752/dsc00478bn3.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2595/dsc00477ur9.jpg

I threw some snappy Bitspower fittings on there :)

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3764/dsc00481hj8.jpg

I really like BP's logo subtle yet cool
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2949/dsc00480ln6.jpg

I put some 90 rotary fittings on the Rad next
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3446/dsc00482fh1.jpg


http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/879/dsc00483qd6.jpg

Here is the controversial res placement that now that it is here I am 90% sure it will work :)
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9835/dsc00484xg6.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5730/dsc00489ap6.jpg


Also if you notice I am wedging the Rad in there using petra's "gel stuff" a recomendation I got from another forum. Thanks TurtleTrax :)

I did have to put 2 90 rotary fittings on the res to get it where I need it though.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5358/dsc00485zn0.jpg

So here is where I am right now

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5978/dsc00493pt7.jpg

on to the Q & A

OK guys so I have a few questions before I head back down. I did run up here and upload pics just for you guys ;) well and to piss

Do I have to use any kind of pipe/teflon tape on these fittings at all? I don't think I do because they have a rubber O ring but I figured I'd ask.

Do the fans on the RAD blow air from the outside on to the unit or hot air off of the unit and out of the case if so do they blow "through" the rad or like a GPU blower blowing heat from the source??

Something I did realize is that because I got the side window I cannot do the reverse ATX MOD now because then there will be a window to nowhere :(

There were more questions but I forget them ATM. Im too excited to get back down there and hook some shit up!!!
Sure i'll be back in a few..... Stay tuned more pics to come.

[Acid_death69]

looks very nice mate:)
For the Orings/teflon im not quite sure, if it has a tight fit around when you put the pipes on the barbs it should be ok. When bleeding and testing this loop you'll know for defo then.
For the rad/fan thing, either way will work. you can have fan---->rad (blowing the air on to the rad) or rad---->fan (sucking the air through the rad). You could even have a push pull system fan--->rad--->fan all depends on how many fans you have:p.
I wanna see more pics please:D:D:D:D

[clocker]

No Teflon...the orings do the sealing.

The fans are more efficient pulling (sucking?) through the rad.

[Detale]

Thanks guys. I do have another question, What screws do I use to mount the fans to the RAD? It didn't come with any should it have?

[clocker]

I'm not sure how that read comes.
I usually tap the holes to 6-32 and just use stainless screws from the hw store.

[Detale]

I'm headed to lowes now :)

[clocker]

BTW...if at all possible I'd avoid putting a 90° fitting on the pump outlet.

[Detale]

Why so? Not that it matters I took it off because I ran one short and I needed it for the res to make the turn I needed.

Ok so Im done for the night and here we are...my eyes hurt LOL

I started with my 8800
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/2531/dsc00496uw5.jpg

and removed the stock cooler

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7876/dsc00497bh2.jpg

The waterblock is big and heavy

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8929/dsc00498fs9.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4732/dsc00499if8.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9731/dsc00501ke0.jpg
on to removed the mobo from my antec 900 ( I'm gonna miss that case ) maybe I'll do something with it who knows.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9823/dsc00502hl3.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7862/dsc00503at4.jpg

Damn that Enzotech is still friggen gigantic and what a pain in the balls to remove the sticky backplate Jesus that thing was on good.

Cleaned my chip up nice
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7221/dsc00504ga3.jpg
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9298/dsc00505ee0.jpg


on a side note what do you guys think about lapping?? Pro's/cons??

Got all the copper "silent pipe" removed also a pain.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1552/dsc00524le9.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9074/dsc00508kk0.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5497/dsc00509wh4.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7626/dsc00511gd8.jpg


I was going to take pics after each block I installed but the batteries died in the camera:(. Recharged and here is the MoBo with all the Blocks attached

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8143/dsc00512ki1.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/105/dsc00513gj4.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2334/dsc00514oq0.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7644/dsc00515gd1.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9889/dsc00517zw6.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/55/dsc00518tu3.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7516/dsc00520bh9.jpg


Afew shots of the S-flex fans that will go on the rad ( I didn't go get screws today) they're just sitting on there.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1655/dsc00526eq1.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2118/dsc00525aq7.jpg


A few shots of where I am up to now
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8755/dsc00527pb0.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3629/dsc00528gq2.jpghttp://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7899/dsc00530lc2.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6681/dsc00529kx6.jpg



OK so I am seeing the Graphics card sag REALLY bad due to the weight of the waterblock. You can kind of see it here
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/7742/dsc00531gy3.jpg

I don't think its a good idea for me to leave it like this. What do you guys think I can do to help it out?? I have a few ideas but none of them are pretty at all. Is there a bracket or something I can get for this??

Thats all for tonight folks, see you tomorrow with more shots. Any suggestions comments foreseeable problems please let me know, Thanks again guys

[Acid_death69]

oooooooooooooooooooooH very nice, cant stay long thought i wouldleave a comment saying it looks quality detale:)

[clocker]

Goint to be interesting to see how you're going to hopscotch the tubing from one block to another.
I'm guessing you'll need a few more 90° fittings.

Re: vid card droop...
I've run into that before.
I solved it like so...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/loop1.jpg
An aluminum rod, drilled and tapped at both ends, used as a support prop.

[Acid_death69]

what else can you cool on your pc clocker?

[clocker]

At one point I had watercooled harddrives but didn't see any improvement, so I ditched that.
D. has more blocks than I've ever used on one motherboard and is about to find out what a pain connecting them can be.

[Acid_death69]

lol yerr ive seen some one with ram, north birdge etc w/c and it does look a pain in the ass. Im only gonna w/c my CPU and GPU ram doesnt get that hot and the heat sink on the north and south bridge of my new mobo are denet. Plus i dont think the zalman res1 v2 pumo will do more than two bits.

[clocker]

When does your Reserator arrive?

[Acid_death69]

i have sent off for it yet, when i get my loan on the 24th i'll be sending off for it:) should take a couple of days to arrive:)

[Detale]

Goint to be interesting to see how you're going to hopscotch the tubing from one block to another.
I'm guessing you'll need a few more 90° fittings.

Re: vid card droop...
I've run into that before.
I solved it like so...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/loop1.jpg
An aluminum rod, drilled and tapped at both ends, used as a support prop.

I figured something similar, I guess that will work well enough. Thanks man :)

I don't think I'm going to use anymore 90 fittings mainly because I didn't order any more and there's no way in hell I can wait for them. I will just make them have more of an arc, thats OK right??

Going to get the tubes hooked up today and go for the water test before I put in my HDD's and DVD drive. Pics in a bit.

[Acid_death69]

cool detale glad it's all coming together now can't wait for the pics:)
How did the young one cope with his first and second day of school?

[lynx]

The dynamic pressure loss (which is what affects the flow rate) round any bend is inversely proportional to the square of the radius of the bend.

Using an gentle arc is always preferable to using a sharp bend.

[clocker]

The dynamic pressure loss (which is what affects the flow rate) round any bend is inversely proportional to the square of the radius of the bend.

Using an gentle arc is always preferable to using a sharp bend.
Can't argue with that.
However...sometimes "best practice" and "what's possible" don't play nicely together and a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

I my experience, 90° fittings make little to no difference to cooling and can make the tube routing 100% nicer.

[Acid_death69]

wont it effect the speed of the flow abit?

[Detale]

He is doing great with school, likes it so far.

Lynx you smart smart guy

[Acid_death69]

cool, you got any more pics up?

[Detale]

Not yet. I spent the time I had today cutting holes for my wiring in the MoBo tray and I'm going to drill the holes for the fillport/drain port. Let me ask you guys what you think. Where should the drainport go? Im thinking here
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6205/tj07front1ck4.jpg

I was also thinking maybe it should be mounted on the bottome of the case?? Im not really sure yet where the best place is for the thing. I also may decide to leave it out too.

I am going to mount the fill port here
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8439/tjtopej9.jpg

[clocker]

I wouldn't drill any holes in that case- ESPECIALLY that case- until you know for certain it's going to work.

[Acid_death69]

yerr i agree with clocker, tis to much of a nicer case to muck up incase you get it wrong. i would try and experiment with it first.

[Detale]

Well too late, even if it doesn't work I can always use the fillport so not that big a deal.
Not too many pics today fellas sorry.

Clocker, how much performance loss will I get by making the fans blow through the RAD I don't think I have a choice. I have to keep the PSU to the far side of the case so that the wires will reach and then the rad doesn't fit in the back with the PSU so the only way out I can see is to move the rad to the near side but then I don't want the fans to be in the front because I want to show off my shiny red radiator. So what choice do I have but to blow the air through the rad out of the case, any suggestions would be great


Pics of the Fill port not too shabby

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8679/dsc00533ot5.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6038/dsc00534gs5.jpg
inside
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8648/dsc00535la1.jpg


Also today I did manage to come up with a decent "hanger" for my Vid card. I got a piece of 1/8" X 3/8" aluminum and bent a 90 on it and I'm hanging the card suspended from the fan rack on top, easier than I thought too.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9250/dsc00537ip4.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/347/dsc00538yc6.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3576/dsc00539qe3.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7266/dsc00540wm6.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1747/dsc00541eh4.jpg

I then drilled holes at both ends and screwed the top and used a nut and bolt at the bottom through a hole in the card. I used electrical tape to avoid any shorts just on the part that makes contact with it. What do you guys think?

[clocker]

how much performance loss will I get by making the fans blow through the RAD I don't think I have a choice.
A degree...maybe two.

[Acid_death69]

looks good so far detale:) are you happy with what you've got?

[clocker]

I don't think I'm going to use anymore 90 fittings mainly because I didn't order any more and there's no way in hell I can wait for them.
Patience is a virtue.

It's a lot simpler- and far less messy- to make changes now, before any water is involved, rather than later.

But, you're going to carry on anyway- I know, because I probably would have too- so let's see what happens.

I have several "Told Ya So" variations already polished and waiting...

[Acid_death69]

lol i wanna see more pics:)

[Detale]

I'm going down in a few I'll get some more pics tonight LOL

Clocker, OK so I've decided to wait a bit and get some more fittings some 90's and some 45's I want to take my time and do this right instead of rushing through it. I have the HTPC I am using now so there isn't really a huge rush.

Also you were right the fillport hits the HDD I have mounted up there now ( pics in a bit) so I have to put a 45 degree fitting on it :angry:!! C'mon give me "I told you so's" I love that shit. Another thing is I messed up and ordered the wrong cables I ordered without looking I got SATA right angle to right angle so It goes good in the drives but not so well on my MoBo I need right to lefts DAMNIT:angry:. Otherwise I think all is going to be well....at least for now.

Edit: Well I want to order more fittings but almost all of the fancy Bitspower ones are sold out everywhere so I sent performance PC an Email asking if the had an idea when they'e be back in stock so I can order more and this was their reply


These were all recalled. We should have replacements in the coming 1-2
weeks.

Best Regards,
PPCS Sales:unsure::unsure:

Ok so what now? I sent them another Email asking why they were recalled and what of the ones I have installed now?? A quick google search turned up nothing, except a link to another forum that is down ATM. What if they were recalled because they leak? AHHHHH what do I do??:frusty::frusty::frusty:Maybe I should go with a different company??

[Acid_death69]

well obv you haven't tested it yet so it's not something to worry about........ yet. Im not quite sure why your w/c build is being a bit complicated:dabs:

[Detale]

What do you mean complicated?

[clocker]

D., could you show us on your pic of the motherboard how you plan on routing the tubing?

Also, where are the pump and the reservoir going to go?

[Detale]

Sure man Glad to:

Here is the general layout, excuse the sloppy graffics I only have paint installed on the HTPC since I'm only supposed to use it to watch my HD movies

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5748/fullqb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

Now in this pic the pump is sitting in the "basement" like so from the other side. It will not be on the floor however. due to clocker's suggestion to have it hanging to reduce any noise, Thanks again man :)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8278/dsc00550sh4.jpg


I have another idea for pump placement also I am toying with. This one will be mounted to the floor. What do you think of it?? The route will stay the same I'm pretty sure


http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/837/pumpshotgp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6330/dsc00545us4.jpg


In the 2nd and third shot you can see the HDD cage that came with the case I may use it there but as of now it's just sitting. I think it would look nice having 4 fans across in a row I dunno. as of now I have them as they are above.

I also did the front with my Antec 900 HDD cages like this matches damn well with the top mesh cover:)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1390/dsc00554gn4.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3002/dsc00553ul7.jpg

I need to change the top fan also because its the one from my antec:sick:
and I hate how my Samsung DVD drive looks with the plastic next to the brushed aluminum

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8461/dsc00552ri3.jpg

Also notice my order fuck up As I said I got right angle to Right angle SATA cables and each plug covers the partnering header:frusty:

Lets call this one "Clockers I told you so" Pic:yup:
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5743/dsc00544cq0.jpg

Some more angles and pics I took
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6039/dsc00549fu6.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9041/dsc00548ra6.jpghttp://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7760/dsc00547qt5.jpg

Yeah

[clocker]

Jeezus Keerist D., that's a bloody nightmare.
I'll be back...


Would it be possible to get a full sideon shot of the case with the rez and pump removed?
Just the mobo in place.

[Detale]

Nightmare or awesome challenging heaping bundle of fun?? That's why I want to use some 90's and some 45's to help with the bends:naughty:

What I cannot find anywhere is an aluminum Bezel for my drive to match the case it's making me nuts

[clocker]

Nightmare or awesome challenging heaping bundle of fun??
Umm...nightmare.
That's why I want to use some 90's and some 45's to help with the bends:naughty:

What I cannot find anywhere is an aluminum Bezel for my drive to match the case it's making me nuts
That's the least of your current problems.
Tell you what...that bothered me about my case at first.
I found some black alloy faceplates (I think CoolerMaster made 'em) but they were just as bad...basically, nothing is going to match that satin finish that the TJ has. If you want them (and if I can find them) you can have 'em.

Now, about that pic I asked for....

[Detale]

Isn't my first pic what you wanted?? :huh:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5748/fullqb5.jpg

The green represents the hose

[clocker]

No.
I'd like a straight shot of the side, no reservoir, no paint lines.
Please.

[clocker]

No.
I'd like a straight shot of the side, no reservoir, no paint lines.
Please.

[Detale]

OK I have these here:

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9325/dsc00555ov8.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6493/dsc00543ll9.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5541/dsc00542ku1.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1747/dsc00541eh4.jpg


(http://imageshack.us)

[clocker]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/Ds1.jpg
OK.
The rez sits vertically (like it's bloody supposed to!) next to the motherboard.
The pump sits directly below so it has unimpeded flow from the reservoir.
From the pump down to the rad (lower fitting), then up to the southbridge.
You can see the rest of the pattern- follow the arrows.

You really want the water path to flow from lowest to highest (or sideways if necessary) or you'll have a hell of a time getting the air out.
You can also see where 90° fittings would come in very handy.

[Acid_death69]

that looks good clocker, it looks more like a proper loop.

[clocker]

It would be even better if the reservoir and pump were hung off the back like the Stacker's loop.

[Detale]

Sure but I see this layout everywhere I want to try something new. I know it will be hard but not impossible to get the air out of her.

BTW the Bitspower fittings were recalled because they in fact leak :O so I cannot even use the ones I have :( I have contacted Bitspower directly as per PPCS they said BP would replace my fittings with leakless ones. Hope this works out.

[clocker]

Sure but I see this layout everywhere I want to try something new.
Because having a working loop ain't enough, eh?
I totally understand.
Wanna see my five wheeled car?
I know it will be hard but not impossible to get the air out of her.
Well, at least you have a goal.

BTW the Bitspower fittings were recalled because they in fact leak :O so I cannot even use the ones I have :( I have contacted Bitspower directly as per PPCS they said BP would replace my fittings with leakless ones. Hope this works out.
Too bad about the Bitpowers.
Why do they leak and what has been changed?

[lynx]

Why do they leak
Because they are incapable of retaining water.


and what has been changed?
The leaking bits.

People today seem incapable of grasping the basics. :rolleyes:


And yes, it was a good night down at the pub. Thanks for asking.

[clocker]

I've been served.

[Detale]

All they said was that a percentage of them did leak and that BP would replace them for me. I haven't gotten word from BP as of yet. Should i wait or go with different fittings??

[clocker]

Ask lynx, he's on a roll.

[Detale]

LOL not a roll really more of a bender

[clocker]

Do you have any idea it will take to get the replacements and what other fitting options do you have?

[Detale]

PPCs said it would be a few weeks but Im dealing with BP now. Not many other options other than plastic ones and a few "crystal" but I dont like the look of em
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/BP-LB-CL_01.jpg


plastic looks kind of cheap too

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/large/products/Elbow_t_LRG.jpg

Oh wait I just saw Koolance has some 45 fittings but from what Iv'e read Koolence doesn't make the best quality stuff

Koolance Fitting Single, Swiveling 45-Degree (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=346_203&products_id=23846)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/nzl-dxg_01.jpg
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/nzl-l10kg_01.jpg

[clocker]

Koolance used to be reviled because they used a lot of aluminum (aluminum + copper + warm flowing water= galvanic corrosion) but my understanding is that all their newer stuff is nickel plated brass, which is just fine.
Don't know how the flow rates compare though.

[Acid_death69]

well that's all gay then as if it's put a halt to it! Did they say that they leak straight away or that it's a gradual process and they eventually start leaking? cos i think you should just test them regardless, they might be fine.

[Detale]

@Clocker How would I check something like flow rates??

@AD
They haven't given me any specifics at all. Im waiting to see what BP will say. Sure they may be fine but: a) It will drive me insane checking the rig every 30 seconds forever wondering if today will be the day they leak, Im nuts like that. or b) they could leak when I turn my back on them ruining my rig, neither of these options are acceptable to me one bit, so we are at a standstill until I hear more from them :( sorry man

[clocker]

There may be info on flowrates for different fittings over at Xtreme.

[Detale]

Ah OK will take a look Thanks again homie.

[clocker]

Yo, bro.

[Acid_death69]

ah well fella, hope it all gets sorted out keep on at them like cos i would'nt tolerate it.

[clocker]

Sure they may be fine but: a) It will drive me insane checking the rig every 30 seconds forever wondering if today will be the day they leak, Im nuts like that. or b) they could leak when I turn my back on them ruining my rig, neither of these options are acceptable to me one bit, so we are at a standstill until I hear more from them :( sorry man
I completely understand.
I was involved in beta testing a GPU block a few years ago from a startup company.
Several of the early designs leaked, including mine (fortunately the card survived).
I got a revised version and it tested OK, cooling was good, so I started to run it full time but the nagging fear of a leak never went away.

I held out for about a month then pulled it.
It was just too worrisome.

My experience has been that if the loop is going to leak, it leaks right away.
I've never had a block leak (except the aforementioned Neptune), it's always been a bad tube/fitting issue which shows up as soon as water is introduced.

One reason I favor the "inverted ATX" layout is that even if there is a fitting leak, chances are excellent that the water won't hit anything important.
With the standard layout, the vid card is almost certain to catch the drip.

Detale is going to need a lot of 90° fittings, so waiting to get the improved version is probably the smartest move.

[Acid_death69]

cool, can't wait for this to be all completed like. I might even get mine up and running before yours manages to get finished with the way the company is treating you detale. Hope they are giving you some form of compesation for it.

[clocker]

They're going to replace the defective parts...what else would you have them do?

[Acid_death69]

well the fact is that they there was retail in call and they still sent the parts out, they should at least rush the parts out to him.

[Detale]

I did think of that with the inverted AXT but I messed up and got the window on the wrong side:frusty: . I cant wait to get an answer from them I might even ask if PPCs could exchange the fittings for the coolance ones but I cant find any flowrate info what so ever :(

[Acid_death69]

having the board inverted is a good idea, wish i could do it. ah well i dont thik you'll get anything else till tomorrow like whether it be equipment or info.

[Detale]

WOW I had a whole long post here and the board farted and I lost it, damn that sux :(

OK so take 2:

Call me a moron but I couldn't wait anymore and decided to say fuck it and loop this damn thing already. I didn't power up my MoBo instead I used the innards of an external HDD enclosure I had laying around to power just the pump and the rad fans. Also I hooked up the drain port but decided not to drill anymore holes and Ill just leave the thing inside and when I need it Ill pull it out so i can point it into a receptacle. I did hang the pump like clocker suggested and I think its a great idea no noise whatsoever :)

I did it looked good I checked my fittings and everything so I am filling her up for a good 20 seconds and all of a sudden I see a puddle running from under my case off the desk and onto the floor obviously I am upset I cant seem to find where its coming from suddenly I see that I forgot to connect one of the hoses to my rad WHAT A DICK!! I yell over and over.

So I hook up the last hose and clean up the mess check again ok looks good. I continue filling it up and the water stops going down my fillport and stays in the funnel because the air cannot escape ( Insert clocker I told you so here) so I sit and stare at it for 10 min while I have a cigarett and figure what to do next.

I disconnected the hose going to the CPU since thats the highest point on my loop and the water goes down because the air can escape HA! still there is too much air in there so I jam the leftover hose I have into the funnel sealing it in there and I blow into it forcing the air out and down into the res ( uhhh I guess I blew my computer) it worked!!! I then add my purple UV dye and am all set to go.

I hooked it up to the external HDD enclosure parts so that if it does leak there would be no real damage to the mobo and the video card (I think right?)also it has a switch so in case of an emergency I could switch the pump off. I cover the vid card with a plastic bag so if it does drip it will roll of the bag and out of the case onto a waiting rag I had set up.

Ok so here goes I switch it on and it works DAMNIT IT WORKS!!! There was a small drip from the barb on the pump but thats my fault becasue I didn't tighten it enough so I tightened it and all was well again. I watch it run for about 10 min nervously and the wife calls on my cell and says we need to go food shopping, I tell her I cant leave we argue, so I have to leave for about 3 hours ( yeah Im a wuss) I figure leave it running and go balls in. If its going to leak it will do so no matter what. 3 hours later I get home and NO LEAKS!! :woot:

It's working really well I think. There is one thing the dye color is a bit uneven in the different hoses but I think that will work itself out right? Also the remaining air bubble in the res acts funny. when the pump is off it sits as it should leveling itself off at the top. When the pump is on it slides to the intake side of the res not in the direction of the water flow??:huh: odd but I think there is some whirlpool action going on in there. This even happens whe I tilt it to a steeper incline. It is on a slight unnoticeable one now so Im not too concerned I will just have to see what happens. The horizontal res is working even better that I expected the air that was in there goes out just as I predicted :P So well infact I made a short video and uploaded it for you guys to see

Notice the air bubble and tell me what you guys think
PS2--4gEsDM

Here are some still pics also
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5862/dsc00556dl1.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1149/dsc00557sw3.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/186/dsc00558dh2.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2047/dsc00559li7.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5193/dsc00561iw1.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7470/dsc00562li5.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6205/dsc00564kv0.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3518/dsc00565jf2.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3333/dsc00566pj3.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1231/dsc00570so2.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7734/dsc00571ed0.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/760/dsc00573lw7.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9115/dsc00574gi2.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7636/dsc00575mg3.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7903/dsc00576tj4.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1141/dsc00578lv9.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1695/dsc00583lv4.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2662/dsc00584nf3.jpg


Now I am not done yet I need to do some lighting and stuff but Im almost there. Thanks guys for all the help and let me know what you think??

[Acid_death69]

The bubble goes there cos of the power of the pump, the water is pushing it. But everything looks good fella you should be proud of it:)
I would like to see what temps you get but thy wont be reliable for another 200 hours:s

[clocker]

Congratulations D.

So, how much noise does this system make?
Can you hear the water flowing or the pump pumping?

Now to fire her up and see what the temps are.
@Acid...I have yet to see temps change much- if at all- after the magic 200 hour, thermal paste "settling in" period.

[clocker]

Congratulations D.

So, how much noise does this system make?
Can you hear the water flowing or the pump pumping?

Now to fire her up and see what the temps are.
@Acid...I have yet to see temps change much- if at all- after the magic 200 hour, thermal paste "settling in" period.

[Acid_death69]

lol do you think it doesn't exsist like? i am sceptical aswell, but i do understand how it does need to 'settle in' maybe not 200 hours though.

[clocker]

I don't know whether it happens or not.
The problem is that your temps are directly tied to room ambient...unless you have very good climate control, how likely is it that your room is exactly the same temperature over the course of the 200 hours (however long it takes to rack up that amount of run time)?

[Detale]

Thanks man I cant hear a damn thing. If I listen real close I can her the water woosh a little bit. I can feel the pump vibrate but not hear it at all. I barely hear the S-flex fans I getting my hands on some 92mm San Ace fans as well soon. Im sure I will hear a bit more when the other six fans are turned on 2 top 120mm 2 front 120mm and 2 rear 92 MM I may not use them all but def the front fans as they cool the HDD's and the I would need exaust fans too right? Going down in a few to see what I can finish up tonight, pics later

[Acid_death69]

cool, least you've managed to get it all working and nothing has messed up:) So what were the first temps you got?

[Detale]

Damn I been so busy with work and I haven't even hooked up the front panel heaers and I have to wait for my new SATA cables to come. I am going to try and go down there tonight for a bit

[clocker]

D., what are the plugs in those fillports made of?
The Danger Den fillports used steel plugs and they rusted in short order.
I switched to some all Delrin units which weren't as nice looking but wouldn't rust...and then I ditched fillports altogether.

[Detale]

Well although the fillports themselves are mad of aluminum the cap material isn't specified, all it says is that they are cadnium coated. I had read of something like this so I got some acrylic ones. I forgot to put it in the drain port so I guess I have to wait and see.

[Catcher]

Amazing man you got skills!
The first one looks like something from Bioshock.

[Acid_death69]

How are things waiting out detale? everything still alright?

[Detale]

As luck would have it I just got my SATA cables today so I am going to go try and finish up and install the OS to start OC'ing this bitch. Ill take lots of pics :)

[Acid_death69]

lol gdgd:D well im sure this hole thing has taught you a lesson:p

[clocker]

Holes tend to do that.

[clocker]

Been eerily quiet in here lately.

[Detale]

I know Im swamped with home stuff sorry guys. I have been working on the lighting but I lost my camera, damn kids, I will take some shots tomorrow with the old camera and keep you updated.

[Detale]

OK so here a new one for you. I want to get a fan controller and I have it narrowed down to 2 or them. What do you all think?
Lian Li Rheobus Fan Controller (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3227)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/LL-Rheobus-BK_01.jpg
This is Sunbeam Rheobus mounted on a Genuine Lian Li 5.25" aluminum bezel. For those of you that want the clean look on your case without all the graphics and writing all over the bezel

So it will look good with the tj 7 :)

Or (and the one I am leaning toward)

NZXT Sentry LX (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24354)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/SentryLX_01.jpg

I was also thinking of going with the

Sunbeam Rheobus EXTREME
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/sb-rheobus-extreme-bk_01.jpg

As it has more channelsand they may come in handy. What do you guys think?

[clocker]

I have 3 of the first style Sunbeam and think they're the best you can get.
The LEDs are extremely bright but they are easily removed.

It would be simple to drill the TJs stock drive bay cover to accept the Sunbeam which would save you almost $20.

[Detale]

Hmmm what a good Idea man, I soooo miss the obvious sometimes, So no go on the NZXT one then??

[clocker]

Hmmm what a good Idea man, I soooo miss the obvious sometimes, So no go on the NZXT one then??
I think it's gaudy and shows irrelevant info.

The beauty of the Sunbeam is that it's linear from full off to full on and each channel can handle multiple fans...for instance, all my rad fans are on a single channel.
Also, I've found that once you get the fans set the way you like, they don't get changed much- especially now that you're watercooled. I moved my controller from the front to the back, down next to the PSU, mainly because I never fiddled with it.

[Detale]

Ah I see, I was just reading some reviews for it and it looks like im going to go with the sunbeam one anyway.

BTW Clocker do you have any updated pics of Sprocket??

[clocker]

Not really.
She's been unusually static this past 6 months or so.

[Detale]

Static???:huh:

[clocker]

As in unchanged.

[Detale]

Ah. OK cool. I just ordered some more shit I don't need along with some San Ace fans for Rev 2.0. I have some better ideas. I am going to mount the sunbeam myself and add a switch for the inside lights.

[clocker]

Lights, blingboy?
Lights?

Gilding the lily.

[Detale]

Damn did I say that out loud?? I know I had to put some tasteful UV in there. I repeat tasteful.

[clocker]

Presumably there will be a Hendrix poster as well.

[Detale]

Actually I was thinking of putting a disco ball in
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/FIP/NP-294-C%7EDisco-Ball-Posters.jpg

[clocker]

Did you get the RAID set up?

[Acid_death69]

Alright detale howz things coming along? sorry i havent been around for a while ive blown my mobo up and still not got it sorted out:s

[Detale]

Did you get the RAID set up?

I did man but even the drivers you gave me weren't good. I coincidentally found the GB disk that came with my board and used that it did work. Honestly I think Im going to go back to non raid though. As much as I re install windows it becomes a real pain and I keep getting raid failures.

AD What did you do man?

[clocker]

That's weird.
I frequently reinstall Windows (tinkering with the OS is so much cheaper than buying new hardware) and have never had a problem.
Never had an array crash, either.


Clearly, I'm better than you.

[Detale]

Only 1 real crash but I was using the GB Gigaraid Meh Im not sure yet really though

[clocker]

I've always used the Intel controller for the HDDs and the Gigabyte SATA for the optical and eSATA connections.

My next PC (whenever that happens) WILL have SSD for the OS and the need for RAID will be gone, but till that happy day comes I like the speed that Rzero provides.

[Detale]

I thought performance on SSD's weren't all that great tho?

[clocker]

They will meet or exceed the Raptor's performance.

[Detale]

o'rly. Hmmmmmmmmm

[clocker]

So, temps?

[Detale]

meh, not yet but tomorrow fur sur. Been too busy....damn wife....damn kids

[Acid_death69]

Did you get the RAID set up?


AD What did you do man?
boot sector on my primary HDD fucked up and so did my mobo, thank god for loans! lol:D

[Detale]

I did a quick check in the bios for temps looks like between 32 and 35 for the CPU. The fan speed seem to have no effect on the temp at all. Should it? I have AWESOME San ace (http://www.petrastechshop.com/12x38sadesan.html) fans I bought from UTNorris on Xtreme for DIRT cheap. I did modify the Sunbeam fan controller like you said Clocker and DAMN was it easy. Drilled a few holes in the faceplate that came with the case and even added a tiny switch for my lights. Pics in a bit I swear.

[clocker]

BIOS temp is irrelevant.
Use RealTemp and perform the calibration.

[Detale]

Link for realtemp?? I used occt today and got 33 idle and 44 under load. I do have the 6600 oc'd to 3.0 though. God I wish I had more time to finish this damn thing, but I refuse to rush it and not be happy with the results.

[Acid_death69]

how long did you test it for?

[clocker]

RealTemp. (http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/)
The developer, Kevin, has worked tirelessly to perfect this app and as far as I'm concerned it's the best thing to use on your Intel chip.
On a side note, I provided him with the copy of Vista he used for development.

/hornblowing

[Detale]

I ran it for 3 hours I will post the pics and I WILL take some pics today if it costs me my marriage damnit!!!

Clocker you're like the mayor of testtown, Thanks was it 32 or 64 vista??

[clocker]

Both.

[Detale]

Of course it was, I should have known.
So do you think these temps are normal?
33 idle and 44 under load oc'd tp 3.0

[Acid_death69]

thats pretty good:) i would'nt complain at those temps

[Detale]

OK so after what feels like a year. I finally got to squeeze a few hours in to spend with the rig.

I drained, flushed and refilled my system and changed from red to blue. I felt the red looked more pink than anything and I wasn't happy so blue it is! also I got the sunbeam rheobus and took off the faceplate and replaced it with the brushed aluminum "blank" that came with my case per Clocker's suggestion. I think it looks great and WAY easy to do drill a few 1/4" holes for the LED's and a few 3/8" holes for the controllers. I also added a small switch in it as well for my UV lights that I wired together to use 1 switch. Here are some pics of it :)

Before I refilled my system I had to switch the tubes on the waterblock because the apogee GTZ has a directional flow to it and I had the input on the output barb.

The downside was that I had to move my HDD's down to the basement area of the case but even that wasn't so bad, less visible wires and Now there are 4 san ace fans across and it looks cool. Almost all the fans are San ace now and the ones that arent....will be soon :)

I used some black poster board in a few spots to cover up and give a more finished look to anything I felt needed it. I just did it quickly and I am going to re do it with better cuts when I get a chance.


http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8227/dsc006578222197mf9.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1369/dsc006568215318ic2.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5555/dsc006588228815bf1.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3470/dsc006648291972bb1.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3630/dsc006668304274ew3.jpg


http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7766/dsc006658298119fn2.jpg

I changed the "drainport" from the red anodized to a delrin one to avoid corrosion
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8734/dsc006788424699vy8.jpg


Here are some different angles and different parts. I have more and a youtube vid that is uploading I will add them later guys.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5198/dsc006848492353xk1.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6755/dsc006838485452os9.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9783/dsc006828449790qv5.jpg

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http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4422/dsc006748407397fz4.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6308/dsc006738397728bb9.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3389/dsc006728391477fi6.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7528/dsc006718384139ol9.jpg

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9716/dsc006708378351wm8.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6099/dsc006698359229kd2.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6466/dsc006688338999ee0.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7301/dsc006678315567bk6.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6862/dsc006628270095uo0.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6862/dsc006628270095uo0.jpg

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7484/dsc006608243385ya5.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6129/dsc006598235652vv6.jpg

[clocker]

Looks nice.

[Detale]

Thanks so much man

[Acid_death69]

aye it does:) i would be very happy with it, soooooooo the big question now is, is it finished?

[ryan20021982]

soooooooo the big question now is, is it finished?

I think a better question would be how long until you tear it apart...lol

Things like these are never finished there just content for a bit

Nice setup man looks great

Blue looks better

[Detale]

I have to put the Lan Li casters on and I AM finished....I think. Until all the new toys come out in Jan/Feb then we'll see.

[Acid_death69]

lol figured you would say 'i think', well im glad that you've stopped cos i bet your wallet and wife are:p

[Detale]

eh I do well enough that I can save up for the toys without it impacting the wife or kids at all. It's my hobby and it beats me going to the bar everyday :O

Here is the Youtube vid BTW
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My next build ;)
BH8X8w8a4f4

[Acid_death69]

it can do it just a few seconds! god thats mad. So yerr have you got the fans on full whack there? looks good either way:) I would now try and get the coldest temp going:p

[Detale]

Today I will post temps

[Detale]

Sorry I never got to post temps but

HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM

I had it running using it barely due to my life being insanely busy this last month so I started getting my settings just the way I liked and suddenly It shut down and then when it rebooted I had no video. After re-restarting over and over, checking cables and stuff I opened her up and there was a mother fuc*ing leak!!! Aparently, the idiot I am, I forgot to put the last few clamps on the fittings and one was almost completely off from the barb. Needless to say there was a small amount of liquid coating the top of my video card. I have dried it with a paper towel and have had it sitting open for 2 days now to dry out.

Do you guys think the card is done for. The Feser one is supposed to be Non conductive but who knows? AHHHHH What should I do guys. I am honestly too tired and disgusted with myself to plug it back in for at least another day or two. Any suggestions??

[Acid_death69]

i would have done what you did just leave it to dry for a couple of days and then try plugging it in again. like you said the stuff is non conductive so chances are it might alright.

[clocker]

Pour some alcohol on it to help seek out/displace any last traces of water...there are infinite tiny crevices where water can hide on a PCB.
You'll probably be OK.

Sorry to hear of your setback D., the learning curve can be steep sometimes.

[Detale]

The thing thay leads me to believe it's too late is that it shut off in the first place if it were truly non conductive it shouldn't have had a problem right?

[Acid_death69]

i know why your sceptical about it but, ive heard the same story and heard that the that persons pc come bk from the dead, so there is a chance fella:) have faith:p

[Detale]

Thanks guys still havent had the time/nerve to power her back up.

Is it a problem with the water system if it sits still too long??

[clocker]

Shouldn't be.

Good luck.

[Acid_death69]

ive had mine off for a couple of days when i wasn't using my pc and when i turned it bk on it was perfectly fine. Normally i keep mine running 24/7 and turn the pump off like once a fortnight.

[Bobbius5000]

Hi everyone,

Sad times with the leak, Detale :(

I ensured when I set mine up that I ran it for 24 hours without the computer running to see if there was any leaks.

It's possible to make the power supply JUST power the pump for the water cooling by shorting two pins on the montherboard power supply.

This was my first attempt at a cooling system and it goes pretty well. Got my AMD AM2 6000+ overclocked by 20%. Temps depend entirely on room temp, but at load on average it hangs around 30 degrees centigrade - so I could easily overclock it more.

Built this system in 2006, but since then i've added the water cooling system, new CPU, new RAM, new mobo, new PSU and extra hard disk space.

[Acid_death69]

lol so basically you have changed everything but the case:P, looks good either way fella:) what rad are you using?

[clocker]

So, what's happening here?
Has the PC been powered up since the ahem, "mishap"?

[Detale]

So funny you guys would post now. I finally grew a pair last night out of no where and tried to start her up and.... nuttin, no screen at all. I had an old ATI 1600X ( I think) and put that in and she started right up no problems. Not a big deal really but here's where I am now:

First I requested a RMA from EVGA and I am going to mail it tomorrow but I doubt I'll actually get the card exchanged because of the water damage and the serial number sticker was ruined when I first wiped the card off. I'm going to send it in anyway figuring I have nothing to lose right?

Secondly (when they reject my RMA) do I even want to spend money on another 8800? I'm torn because I have the waterblock for it already. but I feel like I should wait and get a GTX card if Im going to spend any money on a new card. TBH I don't know if Im going to watercool the next card because of the hassle and when you buy the waterblock for it you're "locked in" to having that card. I'm still unsure really.

I think as of now I'm going to wait and see what the RMA gods hav in store for me and go from there. What do you guys think?

[Bobbius5000]

lol so basically you have changed everything but the case:P, looks good either way fella:) what rad are you using?

Yup!! Hehe. And yesterday I bought myself a new BFG 280GTX to replace my olf 7900GTX, should come on monday I can't wait!

Using the radiator that came with the kit, its the Swiftech H20-220 Apex Ultra Watercooling Kit. Recently replaced the liquid with the nice green non-conductive stuff :D Here's a link to the one I got:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-014-SW&groupid=701&catid=193&subcat=1038&name=Swiftech%20H2O-220%20Apex%20Ultra%20Watercooling%20Kit%20(Socket%20462/478/LGA775/754/939/940)

Detale, chances are they might not even check and just send you a new one - but you'll just have to see. Like you said, no harm in trying!

[Detale]

Right, Hopefully they dont check
http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/282/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_125204.jpg

[Detale]

OK guys I'm back in the game. After my little mishap (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-hardware-24/t-someone-fed-my-computers-after-midnight-328133) almost 2 months ago I got some new goodies and I'm going to give it another shot. I opened her up tonight and saw the full extent of the mess for the first time and it's awful. I'm going to have to take everything out of the case and give it a good cleaning. Also in the tubes the UV blue fluid I was using seemed to stain certain parts of it.

Does anyone know if I can just flush the hoses with warm water or do I need new ones? Basically I need to wash everything out because it's all funky in there. anyone have any good ideas on how to do this??

[clocker]

I've seen people use bottle brushes to clean stained tubes but never tried it myself.
I'd just replace them.

[Detale]

Yeah I may just do that. I did flush the parts with warm tap water. As long as I use a bactericide it should be ok right?

[clocker]

I just use straight distilled water- no additives.

[Detale]

Also does anyone know of a generic inexpensive GPU block that would work on more than this one card?

Clocker do you mean you would flush it with distilled?

[clocker]

No, I mean that's what I use when it's running.

BTW, I have a nearly brand new Swiftech MCW60 block you can have.
That's about as universal as it gets.

[Detale]

O'rly :naughty:

[clocker]

Yup.

[Detale]

OK so I want to do the top mount with the rad using the Rad9 brackets but my Radiator is too big. Also I am only cooling the CPU and northbridge now as the other two blocks I have don't fit. The mosfet just isn't right and the southbridge fits but not with the video card :frusty:

Here are the available options per the specs:


Black ICE GT Stealth 240 (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4540)
RAD Alphacool NexXxoS Pro II - Rev.
Magicool 240 D Radiator
Magicool 240 mm UV Radiator (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21619:3d0bb27be5e551fe068d6038dfd63247)
ThermalTake TMG2

Now I know the magicool UV one prob isn't the best but how bad would you think it is. I think I have it narrowed down to the two links above. Opinions?

[clocker]

I'm running a HW Labs 360 now- not the x-flow- and it's fine.
Never even seen a Magicool.

[Detale]

It says that these are compatible with the bracket and I do like the UV ;) so I think Im going to give it a go. Hope it's decent:shutup:

[Swift]

i have my original intel cooler and it's making weird sounds when i start my PC but after 2 minutes it stops . Anybody know what could be the problem

My pc is runing 16 hours of 24

[clocker]

Often that is a sign that the fan bearing is getting ready to fail.

[Detale]

Yep, you should get a new one now before it's too late.

[markland556]

Very nice build Detale!!
I could only imagine getting to control that NSA super computer for a few hours... LOL.. I wonder how many email passwords and sites you could bring down with that... HAHA

[Detale]

Thanks Mark ;)

O so I'm starting on her again. Honestly I am getting impatient and am thinking of scraping the whole UV light thing and the blue fluid. Does anyone have any objection :P I do have a question or two as I'm too lazy to check for myself. I have decided to use the KE res upright like it's "supposed to be" but I wanted to know if it would be a problem if I used the "multi" end on the bottom of the pic for in and out or would this not work well at all?

http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/images/RES2_rev1.jpg

Also I had a Thermaltake TX flow meter laying around...
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/xoxide_2041_532110339
I think I want to use but Im not sure where it should be placed in the loop? After the pump or right before the Res? There was a booklet it came with but I have since lost it :(. I'll take some pics and up them later tonight so you guys know exactly what I mean.

[clocker]

O so I'm starting on her again. Honestly I am getting impatient and am thinking of scraping the whole UV light thing and the blue fluid. Does anyone have any objection :P
Only the pimps.
The rest of us would prefer a bling-less build.

I do have a question or two as I'm too lazy to check for myself. I have decided to use the KE res upright like it's "supposed to be" but I wanted to know if it would be a problem if I used the "multi" end on the bottom of the pic for in and out or would this not work well at all?
That will be fine.
That's why it has the divider in there to begin with.



Also I had a Thermaltake TX flow meter laying around...
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/xoxide_2041_532110339
I think I want to use but Im not sure where it should be placed in the loop? After the pump or right before the Res? There was a booklet it came with but I have since lost it :(. I'll take some pics and up them later tonight so you guys know exactly what I mean.
Why do you want a hamster wheel in the loop?

[Detale]

LOL, Thanks C. I have to say I like the sensor part but the "hampster wheel is a little tacky IMO. I'm going down now to take some pics of the progress, but I have to say i already miss the Blue so.....

OK so here are some pics of my initial idea. I have to say Im not really happy with the layout but I do want the Rad on top like that and can't really see any other layout. As usual I am always open to suggestions.:naughty:

I did use ALL Bitspower fittings I have a ton of em and I love the way they look. Not to mention it's an UNBELIEVEABLY awesome company that did right by me when they had the recall especially a guy named Vincent ;). Anyway I mounted the res like it "should be" LOL but I like it thais way too. I am also going to go the UV blue route again (sorry Clocker) and I will remove the Thermaltake tx thing and Im going to get a plain temp sensor instead. On to the pics :)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3641/dsc021605708553.jpg

Don't mind the wires Thats just so i can power the pump using a HDD enclosure temporarily.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3657/dsc021695820366.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8149/dsc021595696923.jpg

Ewwww tacky :P

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6867/dsc021615718354.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/387/dsc021625731392.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6393/dsc021635745005.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6295/dsc021645761341.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2339/dsc021655771801.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6033/dsc021665783943.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3626/dsc021675794218.jpg

Thanks again I can't believe how easy this wa to do and that I hadn't seen it before guys ;)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1461/dsc021685810855.jpg

[clocker]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1461/dsc021685810855.jpg
What did you use to press the wires into the "clips" in those SATA fittings?
I've done this a few times- used jewelers screwdrivers once and even made a custom press type fixture- but still haven't come up with what I consider a good way to do it.

Always looking for good ideas to steal.

[Detale]

LOL I also used a small phillips screwdriver. Custom press you say? Please explain this or take a pic. I tend to use whatever is in reach at the time. I think it came out a touch sloppy and may do it over bet hey it was my first try. I wanted to try and sleeve or heatshrink the wires between the drives. I can't really see another way to neaten up the wires between them.

[Detale]

Guys I have another question. On my new vid card (GTX 260 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130434)) if I do use a universal GPU water block what do I put on the other parts of it like the ram that is normally covered by a "full coverage block"? Do I have to get some heat sinks for it or what?

[clocker]

Yup.
Copper ones preferably.

[Detale]

Is there a way I could know how many to get without opening it up?

EDIT: NM Google is my friend ;P

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/483/gtx260gt200frontjl4.jpg

Now this may sound like an even dumber question but what side of the card do the go on? On this side or the other side? I can obviously see that on this side gravity would not be a friend but will it keep them cool on the backside??

Edit 2: OK so I was originally going to order some Enzotech copper sinks (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=196&products_id=21310) but then I came across this.

Swiftech GTX200 Heatsink (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24648)
http://www.jab-tech.com/images/D/d_4663.jpg
http://www.jab-tech.com/product_images/GTX280-MCW60-GTX200X400.jpg
http://www.jab-tech.com/product_images/GTX280-MCW60-GTX200XBACKX400.jpg

Do you think this would do a better job because it covers more or what? Looks good to me but what do I know ;)

[clocker]

Well, it certainly looks cool.
I like Swiftech products and the company has a history of doing their research, so I'd guess it actually works.

Edit:
To use the MCW60 universal waterblock you'll also need this adaptor plate. (http://www.swiftech.com/products/mcw60-R.asp#GT200)

[Detale]

Ahh Thanks i would have missed that *Added to cart ;) Now maybe I missed something but it says I need the MCW60-R is the "R" significant at all?