Half-life 2

[BawA]

"nVidia" creators of 3D grafik cards announced that "HL2" will work only on nVidia VGA's and thats on signed contract with "VALVE".during games installition stup will cheak if the user got nVidia 3D card or not and it will not accept other VGa or fake nVidia 3D cards and setup will be canceled .

and dont worry they will include Ge-Force2 with the game in case of plane failure and the VGa which is include with game package will be at very low cost.

http://www.sierra.com/resource/dynfile/screenshot/large/si_halflife2_01_lg.jpg

http://www.sierra.com/resource/dynfile/screenshot/large/si_halflife2_02_lg.jpg

http://www.sierra.com/resource/dynfile/screenshot/large/si_halflife2_03_lg.jpg

http://www.sierra.com/resource/dynfile/screenshot/large/si_halflife2_04_lg.jpg

http://www.sierra.com/resource/dynfile/screenshot/large/si_halflife2_05_lg.jpg

[abu_has_the_power]

u know if it will work with a gforce fx 5200 128mb?

[N£MO]

Looks good,can't wait to get my hands on a copy. :D

[olibomb]

Yea same for me, but i dont think it'l be better than the first

[abu_has_the_power]

it will definitely be better than half life. and it prob will be better than halo for pc. doom 3 will rape hl 2 though, but watever

[ezyryder]

I can't wait for this game, so I guess I better upgrade my geforfce 2 card now, since the day gets ever near.

[AznRocky]

OMG the graphics are better then i expected i wounder so is there gonna be a counter-strike 2 mod on half-life 2?

[Twist3r]

so a ATI wont work?

[DWk]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@23 August 2003 - 15:45
doom 3 will rape hl 2 though, but watever
lol?

DWk

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@23 August 2003 - 07:29
"nVidia" creators of 3D grafik cards announced that "HL2" will work only on nVidia VGA's and thats on signed contract with "VALVE".during games installition stup will cheak if the user got nVidia 3D card or not and it will not accept other VGa or fake nVidia 3D cards and setup will be canceled .

and dont worry they will include Ge-Force2 with the game in case of plane failure and the VGa which is include with game package will be at very low cost.
WTF? this is possibly the stupidest post i have ever read. what is your source? not that it matters, because the info is incorrect. but still. i can't believe you bothered to post this ridiculous drivel. :blink:

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@23 August 2003 - 16:38
u know if it will work with a gforce fx 5200 128mb?
Any current game should work well with that card.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey+4 September 2003 - 00:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 4 September 2003 - 00:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@23 August 2003 - 16:38
u know if it will work with a gforce fx 5200 128mb?
Any current game should work well with that card. [/b][/quote]
yeah, but it&#39;ll be choppy as feck with future, uber games, even with a good cpu to back it up

[Pitbul]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+3 September 2003 - 17:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob &#064; 3 September 2003 - 17:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Lamsey@4 September 2003 - 00:33
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@23 August 2003 - 16:38
u know if it will work with a gforce fx 5200 128mb?
Any current game should work well with that card.
yeah, but it&#39;ll be choppy as feck with future, uber games, even with a good cpu to back it up [/b][/quote]
i ran the Doom 3 Alpha Demo on my old FX5200 and got between 7 to 25 FPS which isn&#39;t bad for that card.but either way bawa just copies and paste fake news on this board and he is very annoying since he doesn&#39;t do bac research to make sure the news he post is tru i wish he&#39;d just get banned for being so moronic HL2 will work on all cards just as long as its DX6 compliant and above. i have a FX 5900 so im not worrying.

[Cygnuz-Y]

That is a fake, i currently own the crappiest card ever but i know it will run on an ATI just imagine all the people who bought the 9800pro just to play HL2 and Doom 3, THATS A FAKE BAWA, make sure of what you post.... <_<

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+4 September 2003 - 00:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 4 September 2003 - 00:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Lamsey@4 September 2003 - 00:33
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@23 August 2003 - 16:38
u know if it will work with a gforce fx 5200 128mb?
Any current game should work well with that card.
yeah, but it&#39;ll be choppy as feck with future, uber games, even with a good cpu to back it up [/b][/quote]
how choppy is choppy? like slow and laggy, or bad quality picture?

[theprisoner]

The post is a hoax. Anyway most people alot of people dont use geforce(ati rules), they would lose 60 percent of there customers.

[Schmiggy_JK23]

this post is retarded.

for one, any card greater then a tnt2 will run this game, with minmal feature loss. Any high end card, from nvidia, and ati will run it totally fine.

and for two, copies of half life 2 will actually be packaged with some of ATI&#39;s radeon 9900&#39;s. So if any one is in cohorts, its ati and valve.

[ooo]

lol i dunt like geforces at all ahahha

sigh im using a ati all in wonder 9000 pro... lol just for the all in wonder -- i have no money for the better all in wonder / i coulda had a ati 9800 w/ the same money

[tHe LiNk]

Ha&#33; You&#39;re kidding right...valve have even recommended using a radeon, the game was supposedly made with the 9800 in mind. *laughs at the dumbest post he&#39;s read in months*

[CadeLaguana]

Originally posted by AznRocky@23 August 2003 - 17:18
OMG the graphics are better then i expected i wounder so is there gonna be a counter-strike 2 mod on half-life 2?
Well I know that Devlin and Martin NL are working on a mod for half-life 2. Its going to be there own little counter-strike mod. There looking to do stuff like, when you pick a certain skin for CT or T, you get certain weapons. Its an Ultimate realism mod and you should check the progress and read some information about it. Its gonna OWN.


www.csrealism.com

[Pitbul]

but for all of u saying they optimized it for ATI cards that was false they never signed with ATI on that but Doom 3 will have its Nividia Stamp on it.

[tHe LiNk]

Unless you&#39;re referring to someone elses post, i personally said that they recommended ati cards. They didn&#39;t actual make it optimized for radeons, but they made it with it in mind. Check a few interviews.

[Gooch2k]

The real question is will it work on a 8MB 3DFX Voodoo 2? :lol:.

[Gooch2k]

Actually I&#39;ve just depressed myself. I used to have a Voodoo 2 when they were the mutts&#33; I remember the first Unreal coming out and I&#39;d run it in 3DFX and I thought graphics couldn&#39;t get much better. I paid £200 for it and now it&#39;s lying in a box of bits under my bed. Life is cruel :&#39;(.

[Gooch2k]

Yes&#33;&#33;&#33; 100th post people. I&#39;d like to thank....

[BawA]

can u sell it to me :lol: ;)

[Gooch2k]

You can have for £190&#33; a full tenner off the retail price :lol:.

[BawA]

Originally posted by Cygnuz-Y@4 September 2003 - 08:22
That is a fake, i currently own the crappiest card ever but i know it will run on an ATI just imagine all the people who bought the 9800pro just to play HL2 and Doom 3, THATS A FAKE BAWA, make sure of what you post.... <_<
cheak half-life site

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@4 September 2003 - 18:24
cheak half-life site
bawa... seriously do some god-damned research.

Half-Life 2/ATI Bundle? (http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=43313) (August 3, 2003)
As always, read the article, then follow the links in the article...

[Pitbul]

that article was speculation.if they were gonna bundle it they would have already said soemthing they already announced that there will be 3 versions availible they woudln&#39;t hold news that "offering" until they launch date.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Either way, it, and the articles linked through it, proves that HL2 isn&#39;t going to be an NVIDIA exclusive...

[BawA]

this for all of tose user whom dont blieve

http://www.fragland.net (http://www.fragland.net/index.php?page=newsitem&nid=5052)

the only problem which is fixed few days before is This (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20030718155730.html)

[tHe LiNk]

Remember where you read this first, and expect confirmation at this year&#39;s E3

Ffs, that article was published on APRIL 2ND, and still, nothing happened at
E3, it&#39;s a load of crap.

Valve would never make such a stupid mistake as that, and i doubt any developer would.

[BawA]

Originally posted by tHe LiNk@5 September 2003 - 18:42

Remember where you read this first, and expect confirmation at this year&#39;s E3

Ffs, that article was published on APRIL 2ND, and still, nothing happened at
E3, it&#39;s a load of crap.

Valve would never make such a stupid mistake as that, and i doubt any developer would.
its bussnies and ull never learn it

[tHe LiNk]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@5 September 2003 - 14:44
its bussnies and ull never learn it
This coming from someone who can&#39;t even spell in the first place? The actual idea that valve and nvidia would make a pact like that is stupid to anyone with even a slight knowledge of the industry my friend.

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@5 September 2003 - 06:44
its bussnies and ull never learn it
there haven&#39;t been any card-specific games since the 3dfx days when some of them were GLide-only. and even then, most of those had software rendering. unless you count Metal Gear Solid 2, which only ran on Nvidia until they patched it for ATI support.

can someone please remember to bump this thread after HL2 comes out and does include support for both Nvidia & ATI, so bawa will feel (very appropriately) like a retard? the video card market is currently divided almost neatly down the center between those two companies, so Valve isn&#39;t going to release a game that only half of the people can play.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Hey, bawa... As was pointed out, that article is 5 months old. E3 came and went, and I don&#39;t recall any hoopla about it being NVIDIA only. Please, for the love of... whatever, try to find more current information before posting crap like that here.

The article I linked to was dated August 3. That&#39;s only a month ago, and after E3. The information in your article is outdated and, frankly, worthless now.

Not to mention that "information" comes from NVIDIA, and not Valve, which makes it propaganda in my book.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally posted by tHe LiNk@5 September 2003 - 15:47
This coming from someone who can&#39;t even spell in the first place? The actual idea that valve and nvidia would make a pact like that is stupid to anyone with even a slight knowledge of the industry my friend.
Man... don&#39;t go that low. It&#39;s obvious his primary language isn&#39;t english. I&#39;d say he does a better job than some whose primary language is english.

[BawA]

Originally posted by Cl1mh4224rd@6 September 2003 - 01:02
Hey, bawa... As was pointed out, that article is 5 months old. E3 came and went, and I don&#39;t recall any hoopla about it being NVIDIA only. Please, for the love of... whatever, try to find more current information before posting crap like that here.

The article I linked to was dated August 3. That&#39;s only a month ago, and after E3. The information in your article is outdated and, frankly, worthless now.

Not to mention that "information" comes from NVIDIA, and not Valve, which makes it propaganda in my book.
look i know the link is old but i ma post is not old and i didnt write this post on that link i sell games and hardware in ma hometown and before any 1 i get the news from dealers so keep posting them for u guys ;)

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@6 September 2003 - 06:38
look i know the link is old but i ma post is not old and i didnt write this post on that link
I don&#39;t care if your post is new, that doesn&#39;t make the article, or the information in, new. If I made a post along the lines of, "OMG&#33; We landed on the moon&#33;" that doesn&#39;t make the information new.


i sell games and hardware in ma hometown and before any 1 i get the news from dealers so keep posting them for u guys
Hey, that&#39;s nice... Now, why don&#39;t you try posting that "news" and not the 5 month old, moldy sandwich you just found behind the register?

[BawA]

Cl1mh4224rd

from how ur talking i noticed that u have ATI VGA and u cant hear that HL2 is nVidia excelusive :lol: :lol: :lol:

and by the way hear less people buy ATi cuz its sucks i have tried ati 64 mb once and it was working like 32 mb and now i have Ge-Force mx440 64mb and its working like hell

[Pitbul]

i have a FX5900 and still think is a total rip off if they did make it a Nividia Exclusive which they wont.infact ATI was at first the only cards that could run AA on the game until they fixed it on boths ends (the devs at Valve and Nividia Driver devs) of the problem. so why would Valve announce that HL2 could only run AA on ATI if they were planning on making it incompatible with that card? (which thank god they did fix the AA problem on Nividia cards) if it wasn&#39;t going to be able to run on ATI cards why mention that ATI cards were the only cards to run AA on HL2?bawa u fall over and die for all i care if u continue to post old or shitty fictional news.

[BawA]

Originally posted by Pitbul@6 September 2003 - 15:01
i have a FX5900 and still think is a total rip off if they did make it a Nividia Exclusive which they wont.infact ATI was at first the only cards that could run AA on the game until they fixed it on boths ends (the devs at Valve and Nividia Driver devs) of the problem. so why would Valve announce that HL2 could only run AA on ATI if they were planning on making it incompatible with that card? (which thank god they did fix the AA problem on Nividia cards) if it wasn&#39;t going to be able to run on ATI cards why mention that ATI cards were the only cards to run AA on HL2?bawa u fall over and die for all i care if u continue to post old or shitty fictional news.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@6 September 2003 - 08:53
Cl1mh4224rd

from how ur talking i noticed that u have ATI VGA and u cant hear that HL2 is nVidia excelusive :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes, I have an ATI Radeon 9500 Pro. If you bother to check out Tom&#39;s Hardware Guide (http://www.tomshardware.com/) for benchmarks on my card, you&#39;d find it&#39;s pretty decent for its price range. Oh, but wait... I forgot. You don&#39;t do research, do you?

And, no, I&#39;m not pissed that HL2 will be an NVIDIA exclusive. Why? Because it&#39;s not&#33; If by some stupendously idiotic, brain damaging event, the guys over at Valve decided to do such a thing, I would be pissed off at them, not the fucking retard who posts 5 month old information and believes in it like a 3-year-old believes in Santa Clause. My God... is that so difficult to understand?

[tHe LiNk]

Originally posted by Cl1mh4224rd+5 September 2003 - 21:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cl1mh4224rd @ 5 September 2003 - 21:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-tHe LiNk@5 September 2003 - 15:47
This coming from someone who can&#39;t even spell in the first place? The actual idea that valve and nvidia would make a pact like that is stupid to anyone with even a slight knowledge of the industry my friend.
Man... don&#39;t go that low. It&#39;s obvious his primary language isn&#39;t english. I&#39;d say he does a better job than some whose primary language is english. [/b][/quote]
In case youre not kidding around, i wasn&#39;t directing the insult at the fact that his primary language may not be english, i was directing it at the fact that he obviously knows it, just neglects it <_<

[Pitbul]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+6 September 2003 - 04:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user @ 6 September 2003 - 04:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pitbul@6 September 2003 - 15:01
i have a FX5900 and still think is a total rip off if they did make it a Nividia Exclusive which they wont.infact ATI was at first the only cards that could run AA on the game until they fixed it on boths ends (the devs at Valve and Nividia Driver devs) of the problem. so why would Valve announce that HL2 could only run AA on ATI if they were planning on making it incompatible with that card? (which thank god they did fix the AA problem on Nividia cards) if it wasn&#39;t going to be able to run on ATI cards why mention that ATI cards were the only cards to run AA on HL2?bawa u fall over and die for all i care if u continue to post old or shitty fictional news.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
yeah people who get proven wrong usually try and turn it around like that. the game will be released soon and you&#39;ll look like an ass so your petty pathetic news will be thrown the same way as u down the trash. and again stop posting old news about games not just this story alone im talking about all ur posts u just copy and paste news from other game sites.

[BawA]

Pitbul

If u dont like ma posts so plz dont cheak it U BLOODY FOOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@7 September 2003 - 07:01
Pitbul

If u dont like ma posts so plz dont cheak it U BLOODY FOOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ahh, but therein lies the problem, bawa... You make threads about things that people are interested in, and when they click the link expecting to find new an exciting information, they&#39;re instead bombarded with old, and a lot of times false, information.

People don&#39;t like that sort of thing. I know, I know... it&#39;s hard to grasp, but you&#39;ll eventually understand.

[BawA]

Originally posted by Cl1mh4224rd@7 September 2003 - 10:38

People don&#39;t like that sort of thing. I know, I know... it&#39;s hard to grasp, but you&#39;ll eventually understand.
i just dont like bitbul
and his not welcome to ma posts
he say same shit all time when replay to ma posts, i dont know but some how i think his saiko(how u spell it)

[tHe LiNk]

If u dont like ma posts so plz dont cheak it U BLOODY FOOL

he say same shit all time when replay to ma posts, i dont know but some how i think his saiko(how u spell it)

No, he was merely stating the facts and you shouldn&#39;t be posting this crap in the first place.

[huuramis]

who cares, who the hell owns a ati card these days anyways, radeons are as gay as pentium and microshitcunts.

get a god damn nvidia card ffs&#33; ati SUX&#33; and radeon is voer rated&#33; FKNFKNFKN&#33;....

yeah and i agree, doom III owned hl2. i think the alpha doom III is gonna be better then the fional hl2 release.

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by huuramis@7 September 2003 - 00:37
get a god damn nvidia card ffs&#33; ati SUX&#33; and radeon is voer rated&#33; FKNFKNFKN&#33;....
did somebody forget to take his ritalin today? :blink:

[tHe LiNk]

I&#39;d be leaning more towards insanity pills. ATI has been giving nvidia a run for their money lately, and in my opinion has the ability to lead the benchmarks very easily over the next year.

[Pitbul]

Originally posted by huuramis@7 September 2003 - 01:37
who cares, who the hell owns a ati card these days anyways, radeons are as gay as pentium and microshitcunts.

get a god damn nvidia card ffs&#33; ati SUX&#33; and radeon is voer rated&#33; FKNFKNFKN&#33;....

yeah and i agree, doom III owned hl2. i think the alpha doom III is gonna be better then the fional hl2 release.
dont be a jackass fan-boy u give us respectible nVidia owners a bad name. spread ur idioticness somewhere else moron.i think both cards have there good qualities each has better FPS in diffrent games. sometimes it even varies on the game engine aswell.

[top_gun]

I can see why the game is Nvidia exclusive, JUST look @ the benchmarks :rolleyes:
http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/video_cards/ati_vs_nvidia/dx9_desktop/HL2_benchmarks/dx9_fullvpre.gif
http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/video_cards/ati_vs_nvidia/dx9_desktop/HL2_benchmarks/hl2_valve_dx9v8.gif
Link (http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/video_cards/ati_vs_nvidia/dx9_desktop/HL2_benchmarks/002.htm)

Here some better info from ExtremeTech
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/2/0,3363,i=28045,00.jpg

And some info from Anand

- Valve is pissed at all of the benchmarking "optimizations" they&#39;ve seen in the hardware community;
- Half-Life 2 has a special NV3x codepath that was necessary to make NVIDIA&#39;s architecture perform reasonably under the game;
- Valve recommends running geforce fx 5200 and 5600 cards in dx8 mode in order to get playable frame rates.
- even with the special NV3x codepath, ATI is the clear performance leader under Half-Life 2 with the Radeon 9800 Pro hitting around 60 fps at 10x7. The 5900 ultra is noticeably slower with the special codepath and is horrendously slower under the default dx9 codepath;
- the Radeon 9600 Pro performs very well - it is a good competitor of the 5900 ultra;
- ATI didn&#39;t need these special optimizations to perform well and Valve insists that they have not optimized the game specifically for any vendor.


Yes, now everyone go out and trade your ATi card for Nvidia :rolleyes:

[theprisoner]

Radeon 9800 is going to rule for half-life 2. bawa@Klite_user, stop posting fake info, you need to do something called RESEARCH(your info is off some two bit site). Also, learn to speak English&#33;

[tHe LiNk]

Hehe, i was just about to post those benchmarks top gun :D That must be crushing for nvidia to see...

[Pitbul]

Gabe really told off Nividia when he did the presentation he was pissed at nividia for screwing around and messing up the drivers i guess i&#39;ll be selling my FX card and going for a ATI card.

[hamster007]

OMFG,Upon reading this thread,I was compelled to register for the sole purpose of saying the following:Bawa what is wrong with you?Some sort of mental illness for sure.I was dumbfounded reading this thread.This is by far and away, and without a shadow of a doubt the stupidest thread bar none.Cheer`s Bawa and huuramis.
I have known for months that ATI r3x0 GPU`s will smack HL2 in the ear as would anyone that did 1mins research on it.
tHe LiNk,Pitbul you can stop bashing your heads against the wall:)

[nc123]

he aint to happy with Nvidia. Those benchmarks are terrible for them.

[tHe LiNk]

"NVIDIA has promised us that we&#39;ll soon see a new driver which will "greatly improve its shader performance" in the form of Detonator 50. We have an advanced build of it we may test with soon - but keep in mind that we&#39;ve had "advanced drivers" in the past that never made it public so we&#39;re still rather suspect. As always, GD will keep you posted."

Just read that particular article, i hope for nvidias sake the release of this driver does make significant changes.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Just to drive the point home (because some people need it more than others)...

Early Half-Life 2 Results Show ATI Well Ahead (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1261767,00.asp) Has the same pretty graphs that were posted here.

Valve lets off steam over NVIDIA performance (http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2003q3/valve/index.x?pg=1) This one also has the same graphs, plus a few new ones, but from the actual Valve presentation. I especially love the "FPS/&#036; Results" graph (It&#39;s about the only area where NVIDIA looks good). :)

If you deny these benchmarks as being biased, remember... they were done by Valve themselves, not either of the card manufacturers.

[Pitbul]

umm actually i "think" those benchmards Nvidia still ooks bad that FPS/&#036; where the lowest with N GFX card&#39;s hence less FPS/dollar meaning ur not getting ur value.with the 9600 it got the highest rating becuz if offered more FPS/dollar.

[top_gun]

Originally posted by tHe LiNk@11 September 2003 - 17:17
"NVIDIA has promised us that we&#39;ll soon see a new driver which will "greatly improve its shader performance" in the form of Detonator 50. We have an advanced build of it we may test with soon - but keep in mind that we&#39;ve had "advanced drivers" in the past that never made it public so we&#39;re still rather suspect. As always, GD will keep you posted."

Just read that particular article, i hope for nvidias sake the release of this driver does make significant changes.
from extremeTech

nVidia has been circulating its Det50 driver to analysts in hopes that we would use it for our Half-Life 2 benchmarking. The driver contains application-specific optimizations that will likely improve nVidia&#39;s overall performance picture, however Valve&#39;s Gabe Newell expressed concerns that some of nVidia&#39;s optimizations may go too far. Doug Lombardi of Valve has explicitly asked that beta versions of the Det50 drivers not be used for benchmarking.


At this point, we&#39;ll have to withhold judgment on the matter until we&#39;ve had some time to benchmark the Det50 drivers and look at their image quality running Half-Life 2. As we&#39;ve seen, performance is only one piece of the puzzle. We all want good performance, but not at the expense of image quality.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally posted by Pitbul@11 September 2003 - 22:13
umm actually i "think" those benchmards Nvidia still ooks bad that FPS/&#036; where the lowest with N GFX card&#39;s hence less FPS/dollar meaning ur not getting ur value.with the 9600 it got the highest rating becuz if offered more FPS/dollar.
Actually, that was my first thought, too. Then I noticed that the chart&#39;s X-axis is labelled "&#036;/FPS". Thinking about it, though, I bet the graph was just mislabelled, or I&#39;m looking at it wrong...

[Pitbul]

im stumped myself now :lol:

[cpt_azad]

are you high or incredibly stupid?

[Pitbul]

Originally posted by cpt_azad@13 September 2003 - 01:17
are you high or incredibly stupid?
umm yeah im high u got a problem with it u dumbass moron?how little of a life do u got to post in a forum trying to desprately insult people and think ur cool? do u got something better to say or just "are you high or incredible stupid" stop smellin shit 24/7 so you wont have a bad attitude and stop suckin on ur mommas tit and get a life.

[N£MO]

Originally posted by cpt_azad@13 September 2003 - 09:17
are you high or incredibly stupid?
Your sig is too big you insulting n00b.

[BawA]

Originally posted by Pitbul@13 September 2003 - 17:23
trying to desprately insult people and think ur cool
that ur discreption pitbul :lol: :lol:

when ever i read ur post i see ur insullting people

[Pitbul]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+13 September 2003 - 06:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user &#064; 13 September 2003 - 06:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pitbul@13 September 2003 - 17:23
trying to desprately insult people and think ur cool
that ur discreption pitbul :lol: :lol:

when ever i read ur post i see ur insullting people [/b][/quote]
at least i have a reason and include more then an insult but also tell them why and how they made then selves look bad like you for instances your a fake gamer who post old unfactual news and tries to spread rumors. look at this topic look who said that Half Life 2 was gonna be a nVidia exclusive? and now Gabe is pretty much making nVidia look like an ass (much like most of us did to you for this post) by saying that all the optimizations in there drivers bit them in the ass.nice try at an insult but far from coming close to me taking offense. :lol:and dont try and come back with that "well i thought u would have known i was just joking in this post" u still look like an ass. :rolleyes:

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I might as well put this here: http://www.planethalflife.com/half-life2/d...ie/hl2delay.swf (http://www.planethalflife.com/half-life2/delaymovie/hl2delay.swf)

Funny as hell. :)

[CadeLaguana]

LMAO. Man that is some funny fukin shit&#33; I think I&#39;ll watch it again&#33;

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@5 September 2003 - 05:54
this for all of tose user whom dont blieve

http://www.fragland.net (http://www.fragland.net/index.php?page=newsitem&nid=5052)

the only problem which is fixed few days before is This (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20030718155730.html)
dear bawa@Klite_user,

ATI and Valve Software made an announcement two days ago, so i thought it was a good opportunity to bump this wonderful thread. here is a copy/paste with particularly interesting parts in large text, in case you missed it.


Press Release - 2003
ATI introduces RADEON™ 9800 XT and RADEON™ 9600 XT, demonstrating industry leadership once again

Bundled with Half-Life® 2, new RADEON™ cards enable extreme gaming experience

Tuesday September 30, 2003


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MARKHAM, Ontario – ATI Technologies Inc. (TSX: ATY, NASDAQ: ATYT) today introduced the RADEON™ 9800 XT and the RADEON™ 9600 XT, delivering killer DirectX® 9 performance in leading games like Half-Life® 2, which will be bundled with the graphics cards.
The RADEON 9800 XT, the most powerful visual processor available, takes the award-winning RADEON 9800 architecture, the first and only to feature eight full pixel pipes, and makes it even faster. Shipping immediately, the graphics cards will feature 256MB of graphics memory and a wide, 256-bit memory interface. In addition to the brute-force capabilities of the visual processor, the architecture is efficiently designed to process instructions in parallel, maximizing performance. The RADEON 9800 XT will be available in stores and online in October from ATI and its board partners. ATI’s retail product will have a suggested retail price of &#036;499.

The RADEON 9600 XT, the world’s first visual processor developed using a low k dielectric process, features four pixel pipes and 128MB of graphics memory and delivers unbeatable performance for under &#036;200. Recent reviews have shown the RADEON 9600 XT to outperform cards twice its price in today’s shader-intensive DirectX 9 games. Gamers will enjoy the stunning visual quality that the RADEON 9600 XT delivers, which renders in full precision at all times. The card will also be available in stores and online in October from ATI and its board partners.

“ATI’s performance and image quality in DirectX 9-class games is unmatched,” said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President, Marketing, General Manager, Desktop, ATI Technologies Inc. “By bundling Half-Life 2 with these products we are giving our customers the opportunity to experience the full capability of ATI’s DirectX 9 hardware.”

Customers purchasing ATI’s RADEON 9800 XT and RADEON 9600 XT will also get a free copy of Half-Life 2 when the game ships. “We chose to partner with ATI because of their outstanding DirectX 9 performance,” said Gabe Newell, Founder and Managing Director, Valve®. “Half-Life 2 relies heavily on advanced shader technologies to give the game a realistic and immersive environment. ATI’s DirectX 9-class RADEON™ cards are the best choices for playing Half-Life 2.”

ATI’s RADEON 9800 XT and RADEON 9600 XT will be available in high-end gaming systems from system builders like ABS, Alienware, CyberPower, Elite PC, Falcon Northwest, IbuyPower, MDG, Velocity Micro, Voodoo PC and ZT Group.

Add-in-board partners and third party graphics card manufacturers will also be distributing products for retail, and for the OEM and white box markets. Board partners include ASUSTeK, Celestica, Connect3D, CP Technology, GeCube, Giga-Byte, Hercules, Hightech Information System, Sapphire, VisionTek and Yuan.

For more information on ATI or its new products, please visit www.ati.com.


Copyright 2003 ATI Technologies Inc. All rights reserved. ATI and ATI product and product feature names are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of ATI Technologies Inc. All other company and product names are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of their respective owners. Features, pricing, availability and specifications are subject to change without notice.

source: http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2003/4690.html

[3rd gen noob]

lmao

can&#39;t get any more clear than that, 3RA1N1AC

great link :D

[Octopussy]

damn...free half life thats awesome...too bad i dont need a video card :( how long do u think i can still use my 64 mb card? like how many more years? its a nvidia geforce 4 mx420

[abu_has_the_power]

1 year max. after hl2 comes out, most of the games will require at least 128

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by Octopussy@2 October 2003 - 20:02
damn...free half life thats awesome...too bad i dont need a video card :( how long do u think i can still use my 64 mb card? like how many more years? its a nvidia geforce 4 mx420
the gf4 mx is, what, a one-and-a-half year old model? but the technology in that card is recycled from the geforce 2 series, so the technology is actually older. the gf4 mx is basically a high-end gf2, but nvidia kinda confused a lot of people by putting the 4 in its name.

since HL2 hasn&#39;t come out yet, it&#39;s impossible to make definite statements about how it will perform on each card-- but people with newer video cards will definitely see more eye-candy.

if HL2 turns out to be a great game, it might be a good reason for you to upgrade so you can crank the graphics quality up and enjoy the game more. like abu said, you&#39;ve got maybe between 6 & 12 more months of running new games acceptably (different games do have different requirements) but you&#39;ll want to get a new card within the next year, if you want to play the games that have cutting-edge graphics.

[3RA1N1AC]

bawa@Klite_user, get your ass in here and respond to this--&#62; http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=545716 (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=63707&view=findpost&p=545716)

k thanx.

[tHe LiNk]

While the geforce 4 mx does have many similiarities to the 2-mx&#39;s, its considerably faster in many parts and it will still have no problems running any upcoming games (1 year, meh, don&#39;t worry - it will last longer than that [for the most part]). Getting top graphics out of those games is another issue though.

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by tHe LiNk@4 October 2003 - 03:28
While the geforce 4 mx does have many similiarities to the 2-mx&#39;s, its considerably faster in many parts and it will still have no problems running any upcoming games (1 year, meh, don&#39;t worry - it will last longer than that [for the most part]). Getting top graphics out of those games is another issue though.
depends on which new games you want to play on the card, basically.

[3RA1N1AC]

bawa@Klite_user found time to slip in &#39;n&#39; out of the forum just quick enough to post some marginally interesting hijacked pics of PSX, but he somehow managed to avoid this thread. what a surprise... <_<

come onnnnn&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;1&#33;

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=545716 (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=63707&view=findpost&p=545716)

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http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=545716 (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=63707&view=findpost&p=545716)

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=545716 (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=63707&view=findpost&p=545716)

the guy needs to come in here and admit that he doesn&#39;t know what the hell he&#39;s talking about, PRONTO.

here&#39;s the link a couple more times, in case bawa has bad eyesight and didn&#39;t see the ones i put above. :lol:

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=545716 (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=63707&view=findpost&p=545716)

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=545716 (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=63707&view=findpost&p=545716)

[tHe LiNk]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+4 October 2003 - 11:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 4 October 2003 - 11:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-tHe LiNk@4 October 2003 - 03:28
While the geforce 4 mx does have many similiarities to the 2-mx&#39;s, its considerably faster in many parts and it will still have no problems running any upcoming games (1 year, meh, don&#39;t worry - it will last longer than that [for the most part]). Getting top graphics out of those games is another issue though.
depends on which new games you want to play on the card, basically. [/b][/quote]
Not in particular, it would run any game currently out. As i said though, getting good graphics out of it is a completely different story.

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by tHe LiNk@8 October 2003 - 10:59
it would run any game currently out.
i wasn&#39;t disagreeing with that. i meant that the gf4mx will run some new games well, and it will run other new games like a bucketful of ass. a gf4mx owner&#39;s satisfaction with that card depends on which new games he wants to play.

btw, it doesn&#39;t run Metal Gear Solid 2. no exceptions. that&#39;s just one game, but it still proves that you should think twice before making broad statements like "this card runs every game." there are other games out that the gf4mx just barely meets the minimum requirements for, like Tron 2.0. so within the next year, i don&#39;t think it&#39;s unreasonable to expect that more games will come out that drop the card from the bottom end of their system requirements simply because they require hardware support for directx 8 effects.