Hoi Americans

[JPaul]

What's this all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64yKJhB528&NR=1

[brotherdoobie]

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-the-drawing-room-55/t-baracks-speech-285419/?


-bd

[JPaul]

Don't you go tempting me into the dogma room under false pretences.

I want soundbites and well you know it.

[brotherdoobie]

Don't you go tempting me into the dogma room under false pretences.

I want soundbites and well you know it.


Fair enough, mate. On the rare occasions that I do enter the Room - I usually regret it, and I'm often left with a foul taste in my mouth.

Dogma taste quite bitter, and is most unpleasant.


-bd

[JPaul]

On the plus side Selma Hitech is sexy as fuck.

http://www.salma.stopklatka.pl/dogma33.jpg

[Caroline]

First video i have seen of obama contradicting himself.
scary stuff

[JPaul]

I think it's a few months old that, maybe someone can confirm.

It concerns me that he attends a Church whose doctrines, if taken on face value, are racist.

[JPaul]

1. Commitment to God. "The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother [or his sister], he is a liar; for he that loveth not his brother or sister whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? I John 4:20

2. Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. Deuteronomy 6:6-8

3. Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:37

4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college. Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds.

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecclesiastes 9:10

5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor.

For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread. II Thessalonians 3:7-12

6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. "It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago." Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce.

To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ. I Peter 1:4-7

7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth.

Happy are those who find wisdom and those who gain understanding, for her income is better than silver and her revenue better than gold. Proverbs 3:13-14

8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness." Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor's control.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of "we" and "they" instead of "us."
4. So, while it is permissible to chase "middleclassness" with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of Black "middleclassness." If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our "voluntary" contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.
5. Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.
6. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.
7. Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.
8. Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114

If one replaced the word black, in each instance with the word white would it read as racist. e.g.

Personal Commitment to Embracement of the White Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the White Community and the Advancement of White People towards freedom.

Embracement isn't a word but you get my drift.

Or

Commitment to the White Community. The highest level of achievement for any White person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the White Community.

[100%]

His reverend is extremely eloquent. Fascinating in his cliches. Instead of racist comedy which we are more accustomed to, it is meant.

So yes i guess that is what is every usains worry,
how far will Barack pursue the white doctrine. (padded by white establishment tampons to buffer.)

[JPaul]

Obama has been going there for about 17 years or thereabouts.

He must be unelectable, Shirley.

[Something Else]

Obama has been going there for about 17 years or thereabouts.

He must be unelectable, Shirley.

Only if they find your post. :whistling

[JPaul]

Do you think I've queered his pitch.

[brotherdoobie]

Do you think I've queered his pitch.


No. He did that himself.


"I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination". Barack ObamaIndeed.


-bd

[j2k4]

What's this all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64yKJhB528&NR=1

What do you think, JP?

Obama got a pass in the mainstream media, and is today viewed by his fans in a messianic light.

Here's the whole clip, BTW, for proper context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

Methinks he's dwelling in the past, or has failed to notice how poorly democrat "solutions" are working...

EDIT-

As of today, there's also this:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09092008/news/nationalnews/o_pastor_in_sex_scandal_128142.htm

[Skiz]

Here's the whole clip, BTW, for proper context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

The meaning really didn't change for me. :mellow:

[j2k4]

Here's the whole clip, BTW, for proper context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

The meaning really didn't change for me. :mellow:

Nor me, but. :dabs:

[clocker]

Methinks he's dwelling in the past, or has failed to notice how poorly democrat "solutions" are working...


What is this, Fantasyland?
In 20 of the past 28 years there has been a Republican President.
Republicans took over the House in 1995 and just lost it last year.
Since 1981- the first year of Ronald Regan's administration- the ONLY President to show a federal surplus, and not coincidentally the ONLY Democrat, was Bill Clinton. Bush inherited a surplus and in eight years has driven us into a record deficit.

How is it that it Democrats are to blame for policies implemented by Republican leaders?

[j2k4]

Methinks he's dwelling in the past, or has failed to notice how poorly democrat "solutions" are working...


What is this, Fantasyland?
In 20 of the past 28 years there has been a Republican President.
Republicans took over the House in 1995 and just lost it last year.
Since 1981- the first year of Ronald Regan's administration- the ONLY President to show a federal surplus, and not coincidentally the ONLY Democrat, was Bill Clinton. Bush inherited a surplus and in eight years has driven us into a record deficit.

How is it that it Democrats are to blame for policies implemented by Republican leaders?

Not what I was talking about.

Think more in terms of affirmative action, or teacher's unions and inner-city schools.

Go back to LBJ's civil rights legislation, which (no one ever remembers to mention this) got more republican than democrat votes, even though republicans were in the minority.

More to the Reverend's point, you see; I don't recall his saying anything about budgets and such, and, if you like, you can bring up welfare reform, which was a relative success and a republican idea, but also signed into law by the self-same Bill Clinton who Wright was so enamored of.

So.

[MediaSlayer]

Hi JP.

Looks to me, like that video was edited so as to exaggerate the contradictions in his statements(or apparent contradictions). I didn't follow the link for the full video, so I couldn't confirm that though.

But that aside, as far as Mr. Wright goes, he just got caught up in a furious storm we call american politics. Not to say he doesn't believe that way, or have those unhelpful attitudes towards non-black people. But that he, like most people, would do just about anything to get that "15 min. of fame". And he got it.

But at the expense of Obama.

There's something there, alright. But not anything that would cause me to not want to vote for him. Sure it would have been better for him to have gone to a different church, one that was less extreme in that sense(black power! oriented), but meh.... whatever. At least he went to a church at all, for that long.

[JPaul]

Hi JP.

Looks to me, like that video was edited so as to exaggerate the contradictions in his statements(or apparent contradictions). I didn't follow the link for the full video, so I couldn't confirm that though.

But that aside, as far as Mr. Wright goes, he just got caught up in a furious storm we call american politics. Not to say he doesn't believe that way, or have those unhelpful attitudes towards non-black people. But that he, like most people, would do just about anything to get that "15 min. of fame". And he got it.

But at the expense of Obama.

There's something there, alright. But not anything that would cause me to not want to vote for him. Sure it would have been better for him to have gone to a different church, one that was less extreme in that sense(black power! oriented), but meh.... whatever. At least he went to a church at all, for that long.

Yo Dude

I just think that it was going to be hard enough for black man to be elected POTUS. This must if anything piss off the more moderate swing voters (if such thing exists in the USA) and swing them towards McCain. In other thoughts, might it bring more white supremacists out of the woodwork specifically to vote against him.

[j2k4]

Hi JP.

Looks to me, like that video was edited so as to exaggerate the contradictions in his statements(or apparent contradictions). I didn't follow the link for the full video, so I couldn't confirm that though.

But that aside, as far as Mr. Wright goes, he just got caught up in a furious storm we call american politics. Not to say he doesn't believe that way, or have those unhelpful attitudes towards non-black people. But that he, like most people, would do just about anything to get that "15 min. of fame". And he got it.

But at the expense of Obama.

There's something there, alright. But not anything that would cause me to not want to vote for him. Sure it would have been better for him to have gone to a different church, one that was less extreme in that sense(black power! oriented), but meh.... whatever. At least he went to a church at all, for that long.

Yo Dude

I just think that it was going to be hard enough for black man to be elected POTUS. This must if anything piss off the more moderate swing voters (if such thing exists in the USA) and swing them towards McCain. In other thoughts, might it bring more white supremacists out of the woodwork specifically to vote against him.

White Supremacists are not noted fans of women in elected office.

Alongside that, though, I would vote for a conservative black candidate in a heartbeat.

Someone like Michael Steele, for example.

[JPaul]

We're not talking about you tho mate. Bearing in mind that

A, The woman in question would only be vice

B, She claims to be a redneck hockey mum.

C, Shirley that is more acceptable to them than a black man in charge. Particularly after this whole thing about black values and black ethics.

[Something Else]

We're not talking about you tho mate. Bearing in mind that

A, The woman in question would only be vice

B, She claims to be a redneck hockey mum.

C, Shirley that is more acceptable to them than a black man in charge. Particularly after this whole thing about black values and black ethics.

Don't forget the thing about black holes.

:drummer:

[Something Else]

[Insert funny pic by barbs here, barbs]

:sneaky:

[j2k4]

We're not talking about you tho mate. Bearing in mind that


A, The woman in question would only be vice

True, but one given a HUGE step up in the political pecking order post-McCain; the presumptive party leader, at this remove.


B, She claims to be a redneck hockey mum.

"Redneck"?

I don't think she claims that.


C, Shirley that is more acceptable to them than a black man in charge. Particularly after this whole thing about black values and black ethics.

Purely on the matter of black vs. female, I disagree.

The other, having arisen because of the church thing, skews the former out of all proportion to the base issue.

[JPaul]

Doesn't she do the whole thing

What's the difference between a hockey mum and a pitbull - lipstick. I shoot bears and other things me.

I'm surprised you think that white supremacists would find a black President preferable to a white, female Vice President. However I'll bow to your superior knowledge on the subject.

No wait, are you sure, white supremacists are more misogynistic than racist. You people are weird.

[JPaul]

Doesn't she do the whole thing

What's the difference between a hockey mum and a pitbull - lipstick. I shoot bears and other things me.

I'm surprised you think that white supremacists would find a black President preferable to a white, female Vice President. However I'll bow to your superior knowledge on the subject.

No wait, are you sure, white supremacists are more misogynistic than racist. You people are weird.

[j2k4]

Doesn't she do the whole thing

What's the difference between a hockey mum and a pitbull - lipstick. I shoot bears and other things me.

No, what I meant was she claims the mantle of "hockey mom".

She has not claimed that of "redneck".

BTW-

Missus J was a hockey mom - her daughter played, alongside my own daughter.


I'm surprised you think that white supremacists would find a black President preferable to a white, female Vice President. However I'll bow to your superior knowledge on the subject.

I didn't say that, I merely said they aren't inclined that way, either.

What white supremacists are, mostly, is horribly old-fashioned, or, more appropriately, old-fashioned in a horrible way.


No wait, are you sure, white supremacists are more misogynistic than racist. You people are weird.

We're weird, yes.

What of it.

[Biggles]

Didn't Palin say she was a pitbull with lipstick or something?

As far as I can see the Biden chap is the only one who is not a bit mad - not a huge choice for the voting public.

I expect it will turn out all right on the night though :unsure:

[MediaSlayer]

Yo Dude

I just think that it was going to be hard enough for black man to be elected POTUS. This must if anything piss off the more moderate swing voters (if such thing exists in the USA) and swing them towards McCain. In other thoughts, might it bring more white supremacists out of the woodwork specifically to vote against him.

yes it did raise some concerns with swing voters, and far as white supremacists go yeah i'd guess they'd vote against him too.

but having a questionable and/or racist person as his minister is in no way comparable to the disaster we've been living through all these years. true, some die hard republicans are gonna refuse to admit they were wrong, and vote with their party. but this country is facing some really serious problems right now, and people will remember that when they go to the polls.

btw, the newest media craze here is focused on his pick of palin as vp, not that wright business. i mean, they could revive it but it's not being given as much attention as it was when the story first broke.