My story - comments, help and advice greatly appreciated

[DogShpdState]

Greetings all,

Several weeks ago, I noticed that I could no longer log into KG, receiving a '403 Forbidden IP' message. At the time, it didn't worry me too much as I wasn't very active there. I didn't like it too much that a lot of movies were splitted in two, so I had only downloaded 1 movie and was slowly building my ratio with stuff I'd previously got somewhere else. Moreover, I could log from school (which is where I'm writing this right now) so I assumed that KG had banned all accounts from my ISP, or that my ISP had banned KG.

A week and a half ago, I couldn't log either into tik or x264. tik gave me the same 403 message but x264 simply looked like it had erased my account. That was deffinitely odd, as I had registered x264 just a week before.

I logged into tik's irc channel and found out.

I was shown a thread in this forum and told the whole deal. Someone had cheated a site and was being banned from several sites. Problem is, I have the same IP that this guy, so the general concensus was that I was him. That is, that he had several accounts to various sites -one being my own account-.

I was unable to convince the person I was speaking to in tik's irc that I wasn't him, and though I remain connected, I haven't been spoken to since that first day. I don't believe that it'd make any difference if I bring the topic again.

Some things I tought that day that may help convincing people that my account is from a different person: I most probably use a different client (I've seen a couple of screenshots from the cheater's desktop); I've always used the same e-mail for my accounts and I've always built my ratios the hard way: I have only ~30KBs for my uploads and ~63KBs for my downloads. I understand that this guy uses -or used- a seedbox, which I've never have. I've also sometimes logged from my school's computer, whose IP should stand out.

I think that my ISP assigns little different IPs to a large number of subscribers, though I wouldn't know how to prove that.

I suspect that my accounts have been erased, and in that case little can be done. But it pisses me off that from now on, I'll have a 'bad reputation'. Even if I try in a few months to enter again, I think that my IP will be looked upon suspiciously. Moreover, how can I guarantee that I'll never share the same IP with 'the guy' again? I also feel bad for the people that granted me invitations from tik who'll think themselves cheated...

That's all. Thanks for reading this long post. I'm not very hopeful that my name will ever be cleared, but at least you can take note. If you have any comments, or any advice, that would be greatly appreciated.

[kuracat]

Problem is, I have the same IP that this guy, so the general concensus was that I was him. That is, that he had several accounts to various sites -one being my own account-.

:lol:

[Raban]

That is, that he had several accounts to various sites -one being my own account-.

what does that mean ?? you were sharing an account with the guy ???

[ajsi]

Problem is, I have the same IP that this guy, so the general concensus was that I was him. That is, that he had several accounts to various sites -one being my own account-.

:lol:

hmm, double

[ajsi]

Problem is, I have the same IP that this guy, so the general concensus was that I was him. That is, that he had several accounts to various sites -one being my own account-.

:lol:

:glag:

wasn't that your brother? :D

[integral]

That was a pretty elaborate story about your evil clone that exists in the same household as you cheating on all of his accounts, even one that you two shared. I'm not sure what you wanted as a comment, but I'd work on your syntax a bit, and your thesis statement really didn't hook me in too deep. Also, the character development of your evil clone is stale at best.

[tX]

That was a pretty elaborate story about your evil clone that exists in the same household as you cheating on all of his accounts, even one that you two shared. I'm not sure what you wanted as a comment, but I'd work on your syntax a bit, and your thesis statement really didn't hook me in too deep. Also, the character development of your evil clone is stale at best.

Could use a stronger conclusion too, if you ask me.

My advice? kick out the evil clone, there's no other solution.

[Nemrod]

I can´t make any comment because I have nothing clear.
But... It´s hard to believe that you share same IP with other person who coincidentally connects to the same sites you do. Not one, at least two.
I can say either that is not possible, but nobody is going to waste time and efforts trying to find the truth.
So, my best advice is: whatever is your case, move on, and learn from the experience.

[dunson]

If you mean your IP is very similar to that user, then that sucks. You can't do much about it if they think your IP is a cheater.

[DogShpdState]

That is, that he had several accounts to various sites -one being my own account-.what does that mean ?? you were sharing an account with the guy ???
No, I was told that there were three accounts with the same IP in one of the sites (KG I think). One of them is my account, the other two I don't know if it was the same guy or two different people -one suffering the same problem as me.

I'm sorry that many people still believe I'm a "clone" of the cheater. That's what I feared indeed.


I can say either that is not possible, but nobody is going to waste time and efforts trying to find the truth.


Unfortunately, that's what I think so too...

[aysomc]

so there was a guy with the same exact IP as you who also happened to be in the same private torrent sites as you. thats amazing. ill give you a cookie if you figure out the mathematical probability of that happening, but if you did that you'd also realize how dumb you sound and cookies dont fix dumb.

[Spanky]

You would be suprised at how many people can have the same IP on torrent sites. Dunno if its changed now but in the days of torrentbits, we would find at least 10 people with exactly the same IP. So dont call him dumb unless you have proof that this cant happen.

[Spanky]

Stupid site taking to long to post.

[dunson]

You would be suprised at how many people can have the same IP on torrent sites. Dunno if its changed now but in the days of torrentbits, we would find at least 10 people with exactly the same IP. So dont call him dumb unless you have proof that this cant happen.

Just curious, do you think that's universities or something like that?

[Spanky]

Not all of them were, some were from just normal ISP's usually from abroad.

[bblogs]

It's possible, but unlikely. If you're telling the truth, you're in a hard position to get out of.

[SenorBubbz]

What is your ISP?

We can find out for you if they hand out one IP to various users.

[DogShpdState]

What is your ISP?

We can find out for you if they hand out one IP to various users.
That'd be very useful!
Its name is Cablecom. (http://www.cablecom.com.mx/servicios_internet_tarifas_san_luis.html)

I don't know much about networks, but I ran a traceroute from my house and only the fourth hop looked like the IP I supposedly have.

[kondrae]

advise? switch isp so your ip changes, and start over - thats one path u could go

[DogShpdState]

advise? switch isp so your ip changes, and start over - thats one path u could go
Yeah, though as far as I know, the only other ISP (Telmex) has upload speeds of around 10KB/s :dry:

edit: not that I'm discarding this option...

[Cabalo]

with such a slow connection, u are probably behind a proxy. This means that many users will share the same IP for the "outside world", meaning that any other subscriber of cablecom that uses the same proxy, when cheating, will get all the users behind that same proxy banned.
it was quite common with dial-up connections to speed up transfers, and some ISP's still use the same method when dealing with slow connections, as it appears to be the case.
Besides if you can put here a log of your traceroute, it can help us to check if that's the case. Because if the IP appears at the forth hop, it can mean exactly that it has passed through the proxy.
They banned a proxy address, not necessarily you. So you are fucked cuz there will be no way for them to distinguish whether you are a good user or the cheater.

[DeathAngel]

Sharing the same Ip huh ... Well if that really happened then you are really unlucky , however the proxy thing seems to be more acceptable , My advice to you is to start with a new ISP and make sure that no body else has the same ip :P . I dunno u so I can't judge you , but if you really are honest about what you posted earlier , then hard luck but it's never too late to start all over again :D

[DogShpdState]

Besides if you can put here a log of your traceroute, it can help us to check if that's the case. Because if the IP appears at the forth hop, it can mean exactly that it has passed through the proxy.
Hoho look:

kiba:/home/jorge # traceroute -m 6 yahoo.com
traceroute to yahoo.com (68.180.206.184), 6 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.2.61 (192.168.2.61) 0.517 ms 0.451 ms 0.528 ms
2 10.54.24.1 (10.54.24.1) 8.597 ms 12.159 ms 13.757 ms
3 189.200.70.2 (189.200.70.2) 10.814 ms 14.716 ms 14.508 ms
4 unknown.bestel.com.mx (201.148.3.94) 22.475 ms 18.365 ms 21.216 ms
5 unknown.bestel.com.mx (200.57.0.229) 17.356 ms 18.494 ms 15.777 ms
6 ge3-1.cr02.sao01.pccwbtn.net (63.218.119.37) 26.738 ms 25.758 ms 26.344 ms

kiba:/home/jorge # traceroute -m 6 cinematik.net
traceroute to cinematik.net (88.80.5.103), 6 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.2.61 (192.168.2.61) 0.534 ms 0.454 ms 0.510 ms
2 10.54.24.1 (10.54.24.1) 9.883 ms 14.227 ms 9.357 ms
3 na-148-243-20-2.na.avantel.net.mx (148.243.25.2) 7.169 ms 11.660 ms 13.480 ms
Unable to look up 201.159.7.61: Temporary failure in name resolution
4 201.159.7.61 7.045 ms 11.892 ms 13.269 ms
5 189.204.12.1 (189.204.12.1) 28.353 ms 32.535 ms 29.676 ms
6 host112061.metrored.net.mx (200.53.127.61) 25.623 ms 26.704 ms 29.643 ms

kiba:/home/jorge # traceroute -m 6 google.com
traceroute to google.com (64.233.187.99), 6 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.2.61 (192.168.2.61) 0.526 ms 0.447 ms 0.485 ms
2 10.54.24.1 (10.54.24.1) 8.632 ms 12.337 ms 12.331 ms
3 189.200.70.2 (189.200.70.2) 13.254 ms 19.232 ms 21.027 ms
4 1.97.76.200.static.redip.inext.net.mx (200.76.97.1) 35.922 ms 30.589 ms 36.258 ms
5 so-2-1-0.core01-mty.redip.inext.net.mx (200.52.143.229) 39.024 ms 36.594 ms 33.066 ms
6 po-3-0.core01-mcallen.redip.inext.net.mx (200.52.143.166) 28.777 ms 30.713 ms 31.737 ms

kiba:/home/jorge # traceroute -m 6 karagarga.net
traceroute to karagarga.net (85.17.105.119), 6 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.2.61 (192.168.2.61) 0.530 ms 0.453 ms 0.517 ms
2 10.54.24.1 (10.54.24.1) 9.459 ms 13.210 ms 12.762 ms
3 na-148-243-20-2.na.avantel.net.mx (148.243.25.2) 10.415 ms 13.912 ms 15.651 ms
Unable to look up 201.159.7.61: Temporary failure in name resolution
4 201.159.7.61 12.615 ms 10.543 ms 15.604 ms
5 189.204.12.1 (189.204.12.1) 31.777 ms 27.316 ms 26.311 ms
6 host112046.metrored.net.mx (200.53.127.46) 25.381 ms 25.679 ms 26.321 ms

kiba:/home/jorge # traceroute -m 6 filesharingtalk.com
traceroute to filesharingtalk.com (74.86.162.92), 6 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.2.61 (192.168.2.61) 0.496 ms 0.445 ms 0.502 ms
2 10.54.24.1 (10.54.24.1) 7.730 ms 12.635 ms 7.638 ms
3 189.200.70.2 (189.200.70.2) 11.581 ms 9.782 ms 16.119 ms
4 unknown.bestel.com.mx (201.148.3.94) 18.744 ms 22.483 ms 22.265 ms
5 unknown.bestel.com.mx (200.57.0.229) 20.724 ms 19.616 ms 14.004 ms
6 ge3-2.cr02.sao01.pccwbtn.net (63.218.119.41) 24.648 ms 27.181 ms 26.096 ms

kiba:/home/jorge # traceroute -m 6 thepiratebay.org
traceroute to thepiratebay.org (83.140.65.11), 6 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.2.61 (192.168.2.61) 0.546 ms 0.483 ms 0.508 ms
2 10.54.24.1 (10.54.24.1) 10.316 ms 13.974 ms 12.003 ms
3 na-148-243-20-2.na.avantel.net.mx (148.243.25.2) 8.872 ms 15.882 ms 16.838 ms
Unable to look up 201.159.7.61: Temporary failure in name resolution
4 201.159.7.61 9.747 ms 11.923 ms 13.000 ms
5 189.204.12.1 (189.204.12.1) 29.279 ms 36.958 ms 35.341 ms
6 host112046.metrored.net.mx (200.53.127.46) 31.223 ms 26.847 ms 29.837 ms
Emphasis mine. Banned IP and the one I get from ipchicken, whatsmyip etc: 201.159.5.2
Hope I'm not getting anybody in trouble by posting that.

[Cronic]

That may prove your innocence but KG may not believe you ..

[dunson]

with such a slow connection, u are probably behind a proxy. This means that many users will share the same IP for the "outside world", meaning that any other subscriber of cablecom that uses the same proxy, when cheating, will get all the users behind that same proxy banned.
it was quite common with dial-up connections to speed up transfers, and some ISP's still use the same method when dealing with slow connections, as it appears to be the case.
Besides if you can put here a log of your traceroute, it can help us to check if that's the case. Because if the IP appears at the forth hop, it can mean exactly that it has passed through the proxy.
They banned a proxy address, not necessarily you. So you are fucked cuz there will be no way for them to distinguish whether you are a good user or the cheater.

This is very educational. Thanks. :)

[snakebite]

with such a slow connection, u are probably behind a proxy. This means that many users will share the same IP for the "outside world", meaning that any other subscriber of cablecom that uses the same proxy, when cheating, will get all the users behind that same proxy banned.
it was quite common with dial-up connections to speed up transfers, and some ISP's still use the same method when dealing with slow connections, as it appears to be the case.
Besides if you can put here a log of your traceroute, it can help us to check if that's the case. Because if the IP appears at the forth hop, it can mean exactly that it has passed through the proxy.
They banned a proxy address, not necessarily you. So you are fucked cuz there will be no way for them to distinguish whether you are a good user or the cheater.

This is very educational. Thanks. :)

That goes double for me as well :happy: